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Odds and Ends: Halladay Wants Out, Ticket Prices Up

Posted by Pat Gallen, Sun, November 22, 2009 04:01 PM | Comments: 155
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- Roy Halladay alert:  He has reportedly told the Blue Jays he will not resign with them after his contract expires this season. This will certainly speed up the trading process for Toronto as they look to get as much out of him on the market as they can.

Could the Phillies possibly steal him?  The Yankees will reportedly give up either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain in any deal, plus some other prospects as well.  Would Philadelphia be willing to deal J.A. Happ and Michael Taylor in a deal for one year of Halladay?

- Edwin Jackson is on the trade block out of Detroit.  Phillies fans last saw Jackson with the Rays in the World Series a few years back.  He is not as talented as Halladay, but is much cheaper for at least the next few seasons.  Jackson made just $2.2 million last season and while he will be due a considerable raise, may come with a considerably.

Could he be had for lesser prospects?  Jackson’s numbers were very good as he earned his first all-star berth at the age of 26.  He finished with 13 wins and a 3.62 ERA in 214 innings.  The 6-foot-3 righty struggled a bit down the stretch, but is still in his formative years as a pitcher and could be the solid right hander the Phils are searching for on the cheap.

- FYI for ticket buyers – the prices are going up.  Select tickets will be $2 to $4 more expensive for the 2010 season.  Hopefully, the brass will spend a little more of it, since the tickets are already getting up there.  I know it isn’t Yankee Stadium, but lower level seats go for $40 or more, making it tough for people to afford them.

According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, season-ticket plans for new account holders will go on sale Tuesday. On Dec. 4, the Phils will begin selling ticket six-packs.

Group-ticket sales will begin Jan. 13, and the Phillies will sell individual tickets to spring-training games the next day.

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  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Rubin said the Phils had about 20 million. I wonder if that included the $9 million in ticket price increase? 29 would provide a lot more flexibility than 20.

    I agree totally with Don. Forget Halladay until he’s an FA after 2010.
    Forget Jackson who has a tired arm. Phils have enough of that.

    Phils actually need Happ’s cheap contract because of all the other huge salaries.

    I like Omar Vizqueal but not at 1.375 million. Good non-move.

    I’d go Kouzmanoff, Derosa, Lyon, as a starting point.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Lyon, One of Polanco/Beltre/DeRosa, Uribe, Torrealba, Kelvim Escobar (low risk high reward gamble – 5th starter or bullpen).

     
  • Posts: 0 hotstove

    Phillies trade JA Happ, Micheal Taylor and yohan Flande to Bluejays for Hallday

     
  • Posts: 0 SpankyYankee

    WORLD SERIES New York wins series 4-2.
    Oh yeah and Chase did go to school with Atkins…there are pictures of them holding hands and walking to school…also Hamels went to school with a guy name Bruce….they to held hands much tighter…hell the white house should do as good a job as the nation does maybe we wouldn’t be going downhill to obamacare…do you guys do backround checks as well. Amazing must come from the spector senator guy….you know the one who wanted to do an investigation into the super bowl against the patriots….the one #5 puked at is spector a dem or rep. now or did he change his mind again…..hey guys NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO PHILLY. Its over…. you win once every 25 years… :}

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    That Halladay trade is such a pipe dream

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Stay away from Edwin Jackson. He is a one half wonder.

     
  • Posts: 0 Greg

    WIN NOW!!!!!!!! Trade Happ & Taylor for Halladay
    Moyer will be fine with the 5th starter,Kendrick could also
    be the 5th starter.Phils could sign a Livan Hernandez cheap also.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Haha. No.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I love these suggestions for trading all the young, talented pitchers we have.. for guys that are going to be Free Agents next season

    The Blue Jays wouldn’t trade Halladay for HAPP and TAYLOR.. no chance

    and I doubt that FLANDE would add so much to the deal that they wouldn’t turn it down ..

    We don’t NEED Roy Halladay.. it would be nice to have him in our rotation, but lets get a 3b, and a BULLPEN …. you know, have a complete team, instead of just a great rotation (since that is what won us the World Series in 2008)

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Im so annoyed at this Halladay talk at this point.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Maybe the price hike means a Lee extension though or the signing of a better free agent starting pitcher – like a midtier one as opposed to an injured risk guy.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    It’s always nice to dream, but the reality is that over the last several years, the Phils have been very open and straightforward in their plans. They are going to sign a defensive 3rd baseman that isn’t going to cost them much in $ or draft choices (Polanco or Atkins), a spare infielder who can play 2nd and SS (with Dobbs as back-up at 1st and 3rd), and a lefty outfielder with some pop (a younger, slightly more athletic Matt Stairs). My guess is they have option 1-4 at each position already identified, as well as a slotted $ amount. If the 1st choice costs too much, they’ll go with the 2nd and down the line.
    If there is a bigger $ signing, it will be for a few bullpen arms. They will start the season with a 4 man rotation, then see if they can find something on the scrap heap, or bring in Moyer/Kendrick. Surprises are highly unlikely, that is not the way the Phils operate, and I respect them for that. They are not a cloak and dagger organization.
    If Polanco is the guy, where do you bat him? I think he is one of the best situational hitters out there, would put him at 2, Vic at 7. While this may waste Vic’s speed, his plate discipline is much better suited to the bottom half of the order, and he’ll get a lot of RBI ops. Would be an upgrade at both batting order spots.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Well, this is from Bill Conlin and I hope it’s not true:

    “However, I’m told Feliz was so hurt by being dumped after playing for two World Series teams he would not consider returning.”

     
  • Posts: 0 jrollpatrol08

    haha!! happ and taylor for halladay??? that will never happen. maybe those 2 AND 2 more. this is the best pitcher in baseball we are talking about here people. you cant expect to trade a sophomore pitcher with a good rookie year and a PROSPECT for the most dominant pitcher in professional baseball. toronto would make that a very quick phone call.

    and realistically happ isnt even the centerpiece. toronto wants drabek before they want happ if you remember the negotiations from last summer.

    bottom line is…if ruben cant see a way to sign halladay to a 4 year minimum deal, then there is no point considering bringing him here at all. a 1 year rental for 2010 is not worth giving up the farm and ruben knows this. this ‘win now’ strategy is bs. utley, howard, werth, even jroll can stay together for the next 5 years if all goes well. i would rather see that happen than get in a guy like halladay and not have enough money to keep those guys.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    You will not see 5 more years of the core – 2 at best. Slim to no chance the Phils re-sign Howard. An AL team will overpay him with a 5 year, $100M deal that the Phils won’t (and shouldn’t) match. Even though Werth should do well in arbitration, he isn’t a youngster either – he’ll test the market unless the Phils overwhelm him with a contract. With Taylor and Brown in the system, I don’t see them doing that. In 5 years, the only current Phils on the team are Happ and Ruiz, maybe Utley.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Don – Halladay has devalued himself so much in the past six months that my suspicion is that teams know that they can get him for a good deal below fair market. If the Phillies offered Happ and Taylor, Toronto would drive Roy to the airport. If the Jays make him start the season with them he is going to be all sorts of pissed. The Blue Jays HAVE to trade him and they have no choice and they have no leverage. My guess is that because their team is a train wreck right now that they may want to really scrap it and start new. If that were the case, I would trade some of our promising lower level guys for one year of Halladay (Galvis, Flande, etc) but I’m not interested in a big time deal for him at this point. And I love Halladay. If he wants to have his contract ripped up and sign a three year deal then I would be interested.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Manny,

    Jayson Stark said that same thing about Feliz two weeks ago… there is little to no chance that he will return.. he was hurt that the phillies did not keep him

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    If the Phillies could get Roy Halladay for JA HAPP.. and MICHAEL TAYLOR

    THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT YESTERDAY..

    please be realistic people..

    If I’m Toronto, I’m waiting until the trade deadline this year.. when the market for teams will most likely be the same group: NYY, BOS, PHL, LAD, LAA, etc..

    and at that point, a team might be more desperate for the services of an ACE pitcher..

    The reason the Blue Jays wanted HAPP isn’t because they think he’s some great pitcher.. it was because they needed to have someone capable of STARTING for their Major League team .. They are not interested in TAYLOR.. they wanted

    DRABEK, BROWN, and GOSE .. and the Phillies are not deadling either of the first two names

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Aww man, our fans are getting crazily delusional about Halladay now…

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Don, I think you’re forgetting the tiny fact that they have a new GM… and I think it is highly likely that he would’ve accepted what we offered for Roy this past season (Happ, Taylor…). And that would’ve been for a run at 2 World Series titles…

    …now it’s half of that. So Roy’s value is much lower… Taylor and Happ SHOULD get it done this time… And even then, I wouldn’t be willing to give them both up for a one-year ace (unless we manage to sign him for 3 years or so).

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Manny, I agree, I hope it’s not true about Feliz, but Ruben dropped him like a hot potato right after the WS, so fast, in fact, I was wondering if there was more to the story. I know he didn’t have a good postseason, but his glove is still awesome, and since the rest of the line-up is so potent, I didn’t quite understand that quick move by Ruben. Shouldn’t have burned his bridges with Pedro, imo.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Yea, the more think about the whole Feliz situation, the worse I feel about it… I’ve come down to the point where I think that the only thing that would make this better would be adding Beltre… (or Figgins, but that’s not gonna happen). I need a good glove on 3B…

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Dude, are you FREAKING DELUSIONAL?

    If they would accept that, the deal would have happened already…

    just because hes a new gm doesnt mean hes a SUCKER. You will have to offer him something better than two top draft picks…since a well drafted, scouted, and developed draft pick would turn into Taylor and Happ at BEST 30 percent of the time, you have to offer MORE quality players.

    The Dodgers pulled out of the talks because they were asking for CHAD BILLINGSLEY or CLAYTON KERSHAW. Niether Happ nor Taylor are as good as Kershaw or with as much upside as Billingsley.

    The Angels, it is being said, would have to part with Joe Saunders, Jered Weaver, or Ervin Santana to begin with….

    so lets use common sense here…

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    If they put someone with less defensive ability than Pedro at 3b, there are going to be alot of unhappy fans, and I’d imagine the team wouldn’t be too thrilled either. I hope this doesn’t come back to bite Ruben in the a$$. I feel Pedro would have been fine at 3rd for at least another year, he was NOT the biggest problem that needed to be addressed.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Lets also not pretend that Pedro Feliz was the greatest 3b out there..

    There are multiple players that are more productive, and more consistent offensively..

    and a few players who are better defensively as well ..

    Phillies needed to make SOME change from last year, and Feliz was the odd man out

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Look, the fact is that Jays overplayed their hand last season… I’ve read plenty of articles that all seem to point to the same direction: that the deal the Phillies offered (Happ, Taylor…plus Carrasco, Donald) was good enough or very close to it… (at the very least, workable). But the Jays didn’t want to work with that –even though it is now clear that that’s the most they would’ve gotten in a trade. This is why I say that I strongly believe that the Jays would and SHOULD accept a potential deal around Happ + Taylor this time around… add to that the fact that Roy is now less valuable for all teams (one-year only)…

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Geoff: Happ and Taylor (plus 15M in savings) is MUCH, MUCH better than 2 top draft picks….

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Don, please list 3b who are better than Pedro both offensively and defensively, but only include players that we can actually acquire. Probably a short list…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Geoff and Don – Halladay hates the Blue Jays. He’s pissed and he doesn’t want to play for them. He’s got a gun to the Jays head AND a no-trade clause. Duh. Halladay can pick who he plays for. Happ and Taylor is p-l-e-n-t-y of value to send over considering how cluster effed the Jays are.

    The Dipsy

    p.s. Feliz isn’t stupid. If he can’t get a good contract somewhere else, he’d come back for the 2.5M the Phils would offer him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    See? Dipsy and I are on the same page re: Halladay. Happ+Taylor would be fair as long as we can immediately sign Halladay to an extension…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Don’t you guys think that if they Phillies could get Roy Halladay for HAPP + TAYLOR

    that they would have done it by now??

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Alot of you guys were SO sure we were going to get Halladay when we ended up with Lee, but it didn’t happen. I do not think Happ and Taylor get you Roy, BOTH are virtually UNPROVEN in the big leagues, I know Roy wants out, but unless the Jays new GM is brain-dead, it ain’t gonna happen. I’m done with the Halladay talk. Later.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikeB

    Adrian Beltre and Placido Polanco but Polanco is not a true, natural third baseman and is four or five years older than Beltre.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Placido Polanco, Adrian Beltre are both better suited for this lineup than Feliz, and as good or better defensively.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The better offensive players include:

    Figgins, Beltre, DeRosa, Polanco, Tejada,

    Figgins and Beltre are both good on defense.. not sure exactly how the other guys would work out at 3b..

    But add in names like Garret Atkins, Kevin Kouzmanoff ….

    there are more 3b out there, than there are teams that need 3b, so for the Phillies to pay $5.5 M for Pedro Feliz .. when you can possibly get a younger guy like Beltre for only a little bit more.. its worth the risk

    and if Pedro would really rather take $4 M to play in Baltimore, than $3 M to come back to Philadelphia, that’s his problem.. and he’ll have a long, long, long summer ahead of him

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    The Jays would be unwise to move him right now… they gotta listen to other teams just for the sake of it… and as you said, probably their best move would be to wait for a desperate team at the trade deadline…

    That being said, I think that, under the current circusmtances, a deal similar or equivalent to “Happ+Taylor” is the ceiling for what the Jays can get in return this offseason. So there should be no need for the Phillies to offer more than that if they actually want him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH

    “Happ Plus Taylor would be fair as long as we can immediately sign Halladay to an extension.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    What A FREAKING JOKE! Im sorry to be like this man, but COME ON.

    There are still teams with TOP prospects that are pulling out of negotiations because they cant afford to part with them for Halladay.

    Happ + Taylor For Halladay AND an immediate negotiating period? What?!?!?!?!?!

    Are you serious?

     
  • Posts: 0 beta sigma shag

    Unless JRoll retires he will be here in 5 years, with Utley, Hamels, Happ, maybe even Blanton, and either Vic or Wreth will resign with the PHillies. This organization gave them their chance to play, and they will give a home town discount as long as this team fits pieces in where needed and keeps winning. Going to the WS and the Playoffs every year is better then getting more money to play in Baltimore, or Texas, or Atlanta or for the Mets. I see Ryan Howard having a chance at Re signing for a couple of Million less here.
    That is why you will not see Lee, or Holliday offered $100 over five years in Philly. Maybe 3 years at 60 million.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Keep it up Geoff.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    …and Lee will not sign a deal for 3 years, $60 Million ..

    Halladay MIGHT.. but if he’s willing to take a 3 year deal.. I can definitely see a team like the RedSox just overpaying him for those 3 years.. like $75 Million for 3 years

    It’s the length of contract more than the dollars per year..

    Phillies don’t want to sign pitchers for more than 3 years.. which in Halladay’s case is no big deal .. but Cliff Lee wants AT LEAST 5 years.. and he’ll get that from some team, but not the Phillies

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    No. I said that I would trade Happ and Taylor IF I could sign Halladay to an extension. I didn’t say anything about fairness. What prospects have been offered and pulled back?? What teams? I haven’t heard a damn thing. Does anybody understand that Halladay can tell the Jays exactly where he wants to go?????? He did it last year and Ricciardi called his bluff, let him sit, and got fired. Lets hope the new guy learned from his predecessor’s (sp) mistake.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 mikeB

    I believe that Feliz is going to sign on somewhere else. Heard that the Orioles were interested in Feliz to replace Mora at the hot. Has anyone heard that the Tampa Bay Rays are talking with the Cubs to possibly trade Pat Burrell for Milton Bradley?

     
  • Posts: 0 mikeB

    I meant to say at the hot corner in my last post.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I still think you have to stand firm as the Toronto GM. You CANNOT make the mistake of not getting enough for him. YOu HAVE to get top quality when you trade him, its still too early to just get rid of him…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Happ and Taylor is enough.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The Dipsy,

    If HAPP AND TAYLOR were enough..

    Do you think the phillies would have made the trade already??

    Cause I sure do..

    When reports have the Yankees willing to part with Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain … JA Happ looks like chopped-liver at that point

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Don. You have had to repeat the same phrase like 50 times this morning, with which I wholly agree…..

    Dude, some of these guys are really hitting the peace pipe because Happ and Taylor for The Doc is a mega pipedream.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I just want to get an answer on that.. because if those two guys were really enough to land him.. we would make that trade in a heartbeat

    People right now are overvaluing our prospects, and undervaluing Roy Halladay

    They don’t HAVE to trade him.. and they would be foolish to deal him for the first thing that comes along.

    Right now you have teams focused on their payroll and their total rosters..

    In July, you’ll have at least 10 tens focused only on winning the 2010 World Series.. and all of a sudden, Roy Halladay (probably with a window to sign him to an extension) becomese the gretest Trade-Deadline Aquisition ever

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Geoff, my good friend, my answer to your question is “no”. I can understand why Ruben would not want to trade those two guys, controllable for long periods of time, Happ somewhat proven, for one year of Roy. Last year at the deadline? Hell yes. But not now. Remember, Roy is calling the shots, not the Jays. Do I like Hughes or Chamberlain better than Happ. I don’t know. Its freakin close I know that. Picture this: Every team steps up with their best offer for Roy and Roy turns them all down. Then lets say two or three teams are left. The Jays will not trade him to Boston or New York. Lets says its, uh, Us, the Cards, and the Dodgers. What then? We just have to out bid two teams instead of 28 or whatever. I predict that is whats going to end up happening. Hell, just let Roy and his agent deal with teams directly.

    The DIpsy

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    We have agreat farm system. But JA Happ is NOT that good. He is not better than Joba Chamberlain, though Phil Hughes may not be as good as advertised. He is not better than the guys the Angels could offer either. I expect the Angels to empty out their system plus One of Santana, Weaver, or Saunders for him. I think thats where you will see him land because they have a LOT of money coming off the books…

    Lackey will sign in either New York for the Yankees, or a surprise crappy team that offers a big time deal like the Nationals or the Orioles or something like that. Remember, the Nationals posted the secong highest bid for Mark Texeira, so they have money stashed away for the right guy.

     
 
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