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Anybody other than me feel that Pedro would not be a full season pitcher. If they sign him I think you would end up with a 6 man rotation, with Pedro and someone else Moyer? going on long rest all year. I really do not think his body will hold up for 30-35 starts a year

I didn’t see all the names of the 5 managers in the NL who finished ahead of Charlie in the voting, but no way there were 5 who did a better job than he did. He was the only one who got to the World Series, last time I checked.

That’s because voting is done on the last day of the season.

If DeRosa is seriously the best we’re going to be able to get as a starting third baseman, we should have just stuck with Feliz. I want DeRosa, but not as a starter. He would be great as a replacement for Bruntlett as utility guy. I will be VERY disapointed if he’s our third baseman.

Both DeRosa and Feliz are doable money-wise. If we can do it that’s a pretty good option…..with lots of room for flexibility with line-ups, etc.

Charlie in 6th??….c’mon….

I believe our President should call a day in mid-November a national holiday and name it Charlie Manuel Day. Everyone would have the day off and wear Phillies colors.

Havoc, If Beltre isn’t too expensive and they feel like he will be able to stay relatively healthy, then yes, sign Beltre instead of resigning Feliz.

I like the idea of Atkins + DeRosa or Beltre…please say no to just DeRose.

I know he wants to be a SP because his country wants him to reportedly, but why throw away such a good thing he has right now in Philly. His stuff as a rp is amazing and he can pitch mult. inns. This decision makes no sense at all from strictly a baseball view point. I really hope Ruben gets him to change his mind some how. We really need him to stay in our BP. No more Chad Durbin for me.

Cole will be fine. If they can get a strong righty (even Pineiro) to eat up some innings that would be great.

I’m all for taking a chance on Ben Sheets. He put up good numbers in 07 and 08…and he hasn’t had an ERA over 3.82 since 2003. Plus, he’s only 31. Pull the trigger Rube. Beltre and Sheets (both 31) for 2-3 year deals. Get it done. And sign Lee to an extension.

Agree, Sheets would have to be incentive based. And, I think we could get a 1-2 year contract to be safe. With a team option for another.

Brewers have some FAs coming that I think the Phils should look at. Frank Catalanatto has an OBP against righties of about .380. Left handed bat as the 5th OF. Not bad. Not sure of his fielding. Claudio Vargas, 30 innings only 18 hits and a 1.74 era. A little wild though with 11 bbs.

Am I the only one who sees beltre as a downgrade to feliz?!? The guy hit 8 homers and is always injured, he pulled a Richard hidalgo and had a good year in 04 which is almost as apparent as McGwire using roids, he’s good defensively, but feliz isn’t? I mean personally i’d go sign derosa and polanco, versatility and polanco gives you someone that doesn’t strike out 200 times.

Dylan,

Lopez has some nice stats. His OBP is over 400. Might cause some difficulty with the lineup because he’d be a much better leadoff hitter than Rollins. IMO of course. Interesting, he’s played over 500 games at SS and 300 games at 3b. Interesting.

Juan Uribe — outstanding career utilityman along with DeRosa or Beltre. That’s my choice. Of course, because of age, I would like to see Beltre at third. Uribe is capable of playing shortstop, second and third, and is only 31 with a lot of experience and some POP in his bat. DeRosa, at age 35, can play multiple positions as opposed to Beltre being a third base specialist and gold glover.

A lot of people on here mentioning Uribe .. but since the Giants really lack offense, wouldn’t they try to bring him back next season?

Are they not interested in him anymore?

He would be a great bench/utility option for any contending team in the NL

DeRosa will probably have lots of AL teams on him too for his ability to play just about anywhere… and that lovely option called the DH

Honestly I’d rather they just signed Figgins and Omar Vizquel than Derosa and Feliz. Derosa is gonna cost around 5 million and his glove is subpar as an infielder, Feliz is gonna cost around 4 million and his bat is subpar. Figgins is gonna cost around 11 million and Vizquel around 1 million, but Figgins is younger than Feliz or Derosa, and he has a much better glove than Feliz or Derosa, and he has a better bat than Feliz or Derosa. He’d lead off and Rollins goes to the 7.

I would kind of consider 11 million to be overpaying, but I’d still rather get Beltre and Vizquel. Beltre would probably be cheap to after a down year with the bat, but his glove is still elite. I think he’d be a potential 30 HR guy at the bank.

This is crazy. Chahlie wins his second straight NL title, his 3rd straight division title and winds up 6th in the NL Manager of the Year voting? Someone please tell me where did Bobby Cox and the Braves wind up?
What place did the Giants and Bruce Bochy wind up in?
How stupid!

Well if the criteria for the utility man is that hes better at shortstop than he is at other positions that he can play (that seems like the gist of what Amaro said), then Uribe is the best choice. Carroll, Belliard are more 2B, 3B guys and are not great at SS.

I wouldnt mind seeing the Phillies try up upgrade one of their rotation slots, but I have this sneaking suspicion they will actually try to get away with Moyer in that 5th role which will be a disaster. They should just pay him to go away. Kyle Drabek may or may not be ready to come up. I need to see some dominance at LHV first.

Figgins would be overpaid AND cost a draft pick. Not a good way to run a team. Feliz or Beltre plus DeRosa would probably also cost too much. If you want a platoon, you’d have to get near-superstar production from the pair to warrant their combined salaries. And there’s just no way Manuel could keep both of them in the lineup on a regular basis, unless there’s an injury at SS or 2B.

While DeRosa might be able to spell Utley and Rollins, so could others who would come cheaper. It’s an either/or situation with third, not a “let’s sign everybody” thing.

If the Phils had a real prospect in AA or AAA, third base wouldn’t even be an issue. They’d just keep Feliz for another year. But he’s slowing down now, and you can’t keep him around for the time it would take for someone else to be ready.

My own feeling is that the free agents available are pretty questionable, and filling third will still be an issue next year. I only hope the team doesn’t sign anyone for three years at a small fortune, because they might end up eating the contract. Beltre hasn’t been durable lately, and the aging DeRosa is coming off wrist surgery. Reading of these options I can only think of re-signing Feliz, unless Polanco isn’t offered arbitration.

They MUST get a real 3B prospect in this draft. Its ridiculous at this point. The first pick should be a BLATANT 3B. Not some project, not some tweener that you convert from something else. Find the best COLLEGE 3B available and pick him and sign him and make sure that he blows through the lower tiers THIS season. So taht he can start 2011 in Reading. Im talking about a LEGIT Blue Chip prospect.

They also thought Anthony Hewitt would be that guy, until they moved him to the OF at the end of the season.

Yeah, tahts more evidence that Hewitt was a bad choice there. I dont even want to look at who they passed on tahts already a top prospect….

In that draft, they got Anthony Hewitt, Anthony Gose, Jason Knapp, Vance Worley, and Trevor May with their first 5 picks

I don’t know any of the names after Hewitt (except Cutter Dykstra)..

I would rather them take the best player… then take a 3b prospect a few rounds too soon, just to get him in their system (I kinda think that is what they did with Mike Costanzo??)

Baseball is odd though. You can pick a better player later (Colvin) just because other teams dont think they can sign them. So its different than usual.

What do you all think of the fact that Detroit has made Edwin Jackson available? Do you think hes worth bringing in to bolster the rotation from the right hand side?