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i think they should give happ the start

I said yesterday that Lee could pitch on Thursday if it gets that far. He could start, or come out in relief and he could be limited to what would normally be a bull pen session. I don’t see why you can’t let Hamels start the game, maybe go 2-3 innings and then throw Park/Happ/Banton for an inning or 3 and then Lee get some work in. Might be able ot pull it off. But once again, let’s win game 6 first.

worry about wednesday first

I feel that we do depends on Cliff Lee. If Lee begs for the ball, which I would want him to do, then I say we give it to him. If Lee, does not ask for the ball at the biggest stage of his career, then we have to go with Cole. I know I don’t like the comments he made, but I say we send him out there with a very short leash and have Happ ready. I just feel sending a rookie out there to pitch game 7 of the World Series vs the Yankees will be difficult especially when he hasn’t started a game in awhile.

I feel that Happ, Blanton, Park, Durbin, Erye can combined pitch a solid amount of innings like 7 if Cole can not make it past the 2nd. That still allows us to have Madson/Lidge for the close depending on who Charlie chooses.

Regardless of my opinion, I feel that Charlie goes with Cole in game 7 just because Charlie knows that Cole got him that ring last year and Charlie hasn’t forgot that even if we all have..

Agreed Steve O.

You will not see Hammels throw another pitch this year..his comments have alienated himself from the team inciting a near fistocuffs last night in the locker room between he and Brett Myer`s as myer`s walked past his locker after the game saying “what are you doing hear? i thought you quit?” to whick hammels in the middile of putting on his “feetie pajamas’ returned with an F-U…..they had to be seperated….

Marty – You could not be more wrong. There was no argument whatsoever between Myers and Hamels. How about you listen to the comments from people who were actually there and not Ny reporters trying to stir the pot.

Hamels WILL start game 7.

The big chatter out of NY today is that all their pitchers other than Rivera are spent, and it’s up to the bats to get this one done.

A slugfest from here on out?

I like Martinez’s chances in game 6. Pettitte said he had “nothing” going into game 3. How much less does he have now?

It will then be pitching pot luck for both sides if it gets to 7.

One win at a time, folks.

Start Hamels and have Lee ready to close.

I am a lifelong Phillie but it has always annoyed me when people whine about the Yankees buying a pennant. The Yankees revenues are obscene. Why should they be faulted for putting the money back into the product rather than in their pocket?

Phillies fans castigated current management for years for doing just that.

CZ………….LA Times reporter in locker room……Not NY reporter……..

I agree with all of the above

How long do i have to hear about chambles?
I said day 1 series 1 vs rockies he sucks and is a cancer
Out of the debate
move on people. He isnt factored in to game 7

No one was calling Cole Hamels a pu*sy after he blew through the postseason last year and locked down the WS MVP.

I’m not naive enough to think he’s quite the same guy right now but the truth is he isn’t far off. His confidence is clearly very thin but when he starts a game he has been very solid for 3+ innings. That would be all that would be required of him should a game 7 occur. Someone on SI.com actually wrote an article before the WS started that quoted Mike Scioscia as saying he thought the best way to beat the Yankees was to not let them see multiple at bats against any given pitcher in any given night. I’d be on board for a 3-2-2-1-1 type of inning distribution with everyone being available except for Pedro.

Its been a tough year for Hamels but let me be the first to say that regardless what happens the rest of this season he will have a HUGE year next year.

We gotta win game 6 first… I hope they figure this out soon so that at least the players know who’ll start a potential game 7.

Also, don’t forget about Blanton… In my opinion, he pitched very well in game 4 and I hope he’s in the mix… He’d be on 3 days rest, not bad.

“I say put Hamels in relief for these last two games of the year. In Game 6, should Pedro have to be removed early (say prior to the fifth inning) bring Hamels in to pitch two or three frames. That will save the likes of Happ, Blanton, and some of the tattered bullpen being run out there currently.”

You need your full arsenal available to win game 6 so you can’t save anyone. Hope for a Pedro gem but prepare for the worst. The only pitcher that should not be available in game 6 is Lee. Hamels should be an option out of the pen in game 6. He was great the first time through the lineup so if he can get 2 or 3 innings if needed, it could be huge.

The Yankees are not in that situation so they can put Gaudin in there to eat up innings if needed to save pitchers for a possible game 7 if they fall behind big early.

I am really looking forward to tomorrow’s game. I’d love to see Pedro stick it to them, to see Howard awaken, to see Pettitte on the ropes early like Burnett, to see fear in the eyes of their fans.

LET’S GO PHILS!!

Andrew, can you admit that Hamels was dominant the first time through the lineup?

Lets focus on Game 6! All Hands on deck for this game! One game at a time!

If Pedro gets it done, then I think you go with Cole. Have him on a short leash.

The bats will need to be really alive tomorrow, then its all guts for the glory of repeating!

Hamels had the best K:BB of all but 12 starters in all of baseball this year. If it gets to 7 I’ll be thrilled but you have to go Hamels on a short leash. Not sure why it matters if Cliff Lee gets in in the first 2 innings or the 6th and 7th. If it’s a high leverage situation it’s a high leverage situation. I guess the hope is that he goes out for two innings to start and he’s throwing 92 with good command on his curve so you keep him out there through 5? Two days rest. Ridiculous.

CZ – the problem with the BABIP stat in this particular case is that it can’t determine what a pitcher does to improve or worsen his odds….for example the inning of doom in game three. I have always adovacated that Hamels use his curveball, but more a spot pitch. But after he threw a nice curve to Swisher, he then proceeds to shake off Ruiz and throw two more, one of which get hit down the 3rd base line. Nick Swisher is the only batter in that line-up that is filler….he’s hitting below the Mendozza line in the post season and you throw him your worst pitch three times? Then the ulimate dumb ass move of the WS was throw that curveball to Petite. Granted Vic should take some blame for his poor defensive positioning but this is outweighed by the fact that with 1 out man on 2nd with Derek Jeter up you don’t throw a curveball cookie to a 38 year old pitcher who hasn’t swung a bat in 2 years. And even more infuriating was he shook of Ruiz. Also look at the foul ball fiestas this year. Why? Because second time thru the line-up when you know either it a straight arrow 4 seam fastball or change-up swing at anything that looks like a strike in 2 strike count. A viable third pitch will help keep batters off balance. The league finally caught up to him. and he has also had some bad luck . If he gets the right breaks he might make thru that line-up for 3 or 4 innings. The Yankees have his number. If he could get it up to 92-94 mph I think he would have more success, but a 88-90 mph 4 seamer and change-up against this line-up…luck wouldn’t be the issue because he’ll be giving up bombs once the line-up turns over. Remember, this was the first time the Yanks saw him inawile…that grace period is gone because now they can make adjustments. Look how they made adjustments against Cliff Lee. The only way he could catch them off guard is by powering it past them with something in the 92 -95 mph range.

Jamie Moyer??

this is what someone wrote on yahoo

“Posted by Mr. Bojangles Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:32 am EST Report Abuse
Victorino is the most annoying person in baseball. I give him 3-4 more seasons before his testes are shriveled and nerves are shot from the roids and greenies he’s slamming. Just another prematurely balding over-caffeinated blow-hard on a team full of trash-talkers.”

I agree with this guy on Victorino. I can’t stand the guy, he talks all this crap about celebrating but he does it more than anyone. Not everyone on the Phillies is a trash talker.

Yeah, game 6 is going to be difficult and if we can force a game seven i’ll be pretty thrilled whoever they start. That said, I’d start Happ on a very short leash, with Hamels backing up. But definitely Happ over Hamels at this point, and i don’t think they’d seriously consider starting anyone other than Happ or Hamels. Lee on 2 days rest seems unlikely if Manuel decided already decided against pitching him on 3 days rest. And I wouldn’t really consider pitching Blanton on 3 days either.

For me the arguable advantage that we have now is that Sabathia has thrown a lot over the past couple weeks, and we can potentially get to him more than we have in either of his prior 2 starts. I feel like trying to rush Lee on 2 days gives away that advantage. Happ’s a gamble, but i think he’s our best shot at throwin 6+ innings of 3 run or less ball. i.e. keeping us in the game.

That said, if it happily gets to this point, my guess is that Manuel would do the reverse and start Hamels on a really short leash.

The first sign of trouble he folded.
Regardless of my opinion on him I dont think he will be around. Compared to alot of the fans I am rational.
The comments and the way he is carring himself dont play here. they do in LA though.