Baseball Winter Meetings Updates

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, December 10, 2009 02:20 PM | Comments: 402
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Originally posted at 1:09 p.m., December 7, 2009

Phillies Nation will continually update this post throughout the week as the MLB Winter Meetings heat up in Indianapolis.

Day 4:

(6:03 am): The Phillies are now back into the Halladay discussion, according to Ken Rosenthal. He says the Phillies are prepared to ship J.A. Happ, Dom Brown or Michael Taylor, and another prospect to Toronto in a deal.  They would also have to trade Joe Blanton to free up money for this to happen.  My thought: is this 100% worth it? The bounty is not as high as last season, however, giving up Blanton means two very good starters would be out, plus some prospects.  Interesting scenarios are brewing out in Indy early today.

Also, late last night, the Houston Astros swooped in and landed Brandon Lyon for a reported three years, $15 million. That’s a bit more than I figured he was worth, especially for a guy who has an up and down track record.  I though the Phils might be able to get him at two years under $10 million.

(11:30am): Jason Stark mentions the Phils are seriously considering John Smoltz as a “back-of-the-bullpen weapon.”  Smoltz’s agent apparently told the Phils that the pitcher has no problem with Citizens Bank Park; although we all know that has not always been the case.  Smoltz has bashed the Phillies home field  on numerous occasions.

(2:18pm) With the 17th overall pick, the Phillies selected Kenneth David Herndon from the Angels’ AA team. Herndon is a 24 year-old right-handed pitcher who was 5-6 with a 3.03 ERA and 11 saves in 50 appearances last season.

They also picked up Angelo Sanchez, another right handed pitcher. The 20 year-old went 5-1 with a 5.52 ERA in 12 starts with the Twins’ AAA affiliate.

On the flip side, the Phillies lost right-hander Carlos Monasterios to the New York Mets. You may remember him as one of the guys in the Bobby Abreu trade of 2006.

Day 3:

(9:38 pm): This Phillies.com headline says it all: Phillies not likely to land Halladay.  The Los Angeles Angels made an offer to the Blue Jays, and now it appears the Phillies are out of the mix.

(9:10 pm): Jayson Stark says that the Phillies have been equally aggressive on Fernando Rodney as they have been on Brandon Lyon.  Stark questions if the Phillies would pay Rodney “closer-type money.”

(8:04 pm): Roy Halladay update: Jon Heyman of SI joins the fray saying he’s heard that the Phillies are joining the Halladay discussions.  Who in your opinion has the best shot out of the Phils, Red Sox, Angels, or Yankees in the hunt for Doc?

(7:23 pm): Things have been relatively quiet regarding the Phillies over the past few hours.  However, if your scoring at home, cross Matt Lindstrom, LaTroy Hawkins, and possibly, Rich Harden, off your lists.  Lindstrom went to Houston in a trade, Hawkins signed with Milwaukee, and Harden might be on his way to the Rangers.  I’m a big fan of Harden and what he can bring, although he might be a reliever very soon because he just cant stay healthy.  I also brought up Lindstrom here on this forum a few days ago as a possible back-end guy, but Ed Wade struck while the iron was hot.

(3:53 pm): Earlier today, Todd Zolecki wrote a post saying the Phillies have just as good a chance as any other team at acquiring the services of Roy Halladay.  He polled executives around the league asking if they thought the Phillies had enough depth down on the farm to make something happen, and many said they did.  Still, does it make sense to get Halladay for what will likely be one year?  I see the Angels and Red Sox as front runners here, and the Yankees in the mix too if they are willing to give up either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain.  It pains me to say that, because I hate that they get all the “good” players out there, but such is the case.  Would anyone hate to see Happ/Brown/Gose go for possibly one season of Doc?

(2:37 pm): John Smoltz and Ron Mahay are two names that have popped back up within the past few hours.  Smoltz would fight for the fifth spot in the rotation, and/or a late-inning bullpen situation.  Personally, I believe Smoltz is better suited as a bullpen arm. He’d fit well in the Myers/Park role. He pitched well at times last year, but seemed to be a three inning guy.  In 2009, from the fourth inning on, Smoltz recorded an ERA of 5.40.  He never once reached the seventh inning in any game last season.

Mahay is a great option should Scott Eyre walk away for good.  Mahay is 37 (why does it seem like every lefty is at least 35?) and posted an ERA just north of four a season ago with Kansas City and Minnesota.  He would ably fill the gap left by Eyre and can be the #1 lefty if JC Romero is not healthy enough for a return at the start of the season.

(2:25 pm): Sorry for the delay on the news, but we’ve finally resolved our server problems.  It was Phillies overload.

By now, you know that the Phillies inked Ross Gload to a two-year deal to round out their bench.  The terms of the contract have not yet been released, but the Phillies bench certanly will look a lot different than last season.  Gload hit .261/.329/.729 last season with Florida.  This is an OK move for RAJ to make.  Gload won’t knock your socks off, but can play several positions and led the NL in pinch hits in 2009.  I would rather the Phillies saved the money on Gload and went with a younger option, but following last seasons bench debacle, it’s understandable Amaro would solidify that shortcoming right away.  More soon…

Day 2:

(4:09 pm): Looks like that three-team trade between Arizona, Detroit, and the New York Yankees will be made.  The main pieces, Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson, will go to New York and Arizona, respectively.  The Tigers get a bunch of youngsters in return, including pitcher Max Scherzer.

You may not want to hear this, but now that a few of the Yankees blue chippers are packing, does that take them out of the Roy Halladay sweepstakes completely?  Does that also bolster the Phillies chances of getting Doc?  One of the Yankees top prospects, Austin Jackson, goes to Detroit, so they lose that piece which would certainly be involved for Halladay.  This is all just a forethought, obviously, but it’s something to think about. Although nothing really stops the Yankees from making trades.

(12:59 pm):All the talk over the last 24 hours here in Phillie-land has been about Joe Blanton.  Is it wise to move him?  How much will he make next season?  Why would Brad Penny get so much in free agency? (I threw the last one in myself).  David Murphy has put his own spin on it, and in his heart of hearts does not believe Big Joe goes.  That doesn’t mean it won’t happen, however, I think it’s something the Phillies certainly need to explore.

(10:38 am): My own two cents again, but after seeing what some pitchers are reeling in on the open market money-wise, I’d almost rather go with Bastardo, Escalona, and Condrey in the pen, with Kendrick, Moyer, and Free-Agent-to-be-Named in the running for the fifth rotation spot.  That would leave one relief spot open for a guy like Lyon, who looks to be commanding at least $5 million at this point (just a guess).  Rafael Soriano getting nearly $8 million through arb?  Maybe I’m nieve, but none of the guys out there seem worth that kind of dough?  Didn’t think Wagner was worth it, or Penny either.  Guess that’s just the way the market is opening up in the early going.

(9:02 am): According to Jon Paul Morosi, several teams are in on J.J. Putz.  He lists the Cubs, White Sox, D’Backs, Rangers, Nationals, and Tigers as all having interest, but don’t be surprised if Rube is kicking the tires on the former Met.  The 32-year old made $6 million last season, but was hindered by injuries, posting a 5.22 ERA in just 29 appearances.  Prior to his ’09 failure, Putz was a revelation in Seattle, putting up 36 and 40 saves in 2006 and 2007, respectively. He’d fit in nicely with Lidge and Madson toward the back of the ‘pen, but at what cost?

(8:39 am): Paul Hagen of the Philadelphia Daily News brings back our old friend Brett Myers as a possible free agent starting pitcher.  Hagen wonders why the Phillies haven’t looked his way at all this offseason.  I’d be all for it if Myers wanted to take a one-year, incentive laden deal, however, reports have him seeking a two-year deal, and he wants a shot at closing if he’s in the bullpen.  I’m not sure you can count on him as a starter, and I’m pretty certain his shtick grew tired here, so it’s doubtful we will see Myers again in ’10.

Cross some relievers off your big board if your scoring at home. Rafael Soriano and Rafael Betancourt each accepted arbitration with their respective clubs.  Soriano will be back with Atlanta, reportedly for somewhere in the $6.5-$8 million range.  Betancourt is looking for a raise from the $3.55 million he made with Colorado in 2009. Other relief pitchers who reject arbitration: Jose Valverde, Fernando Rodney, and Brian Shouse.

Day 1:

(7:30 pm): Take Brad Penny off your list of possible Phillies starters for next year.  He has signed a one-year (get ready for this), $7.5 million contract, plus $1.5 million in incentives, to join the St. Louis Cardinals.

Wow. That seems like a hefty amount for a guy who was released mid-season by the Boston Red Sox.  He finished with a 4.88 ERA between Boston and San Francisco, winning 11 games in 173 1/3 innings.  Hopefully, like with the Billy Wagner deal, this doesn’t hinder the Phillies attempts to acquire a starter through free agency.

(6:10 pm):Justin Duchscherer is now a free agent after declining arbitration from the Oakland A’s, according to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.  Duchscherer missed all of 2009, but is a former two-time all star – once as a starter, once as a reliever.  He is at the head of the buy-low class, and reports are out there that he may go to an east coast team; the reason being his divorced wife and son live in New Jersey. Assuming he is healthy and has gotten past his personal issues, Duchscherer would look great with a Phillies “P” on his cap.

(4:45 PM): Martino tweets about the Phillies bringing back both Chad Durbin and Clay Condrey, although nothing is set just yet.  Condrey seems like a no-brainer to me, but Durbin is a different story.  He made $1.65 million last season, so that figure may rise north of $2 million.  Not sure he is worth that much.  Thoughts?

(3:00 PM): Earlier today, Andy Martino of the Inquirer posted that the Phillies are meeting with representatives from Chan Ho Park’s camp to figure out where both sides are regarding a contract.  Park as said previously he wants to start, but the Phils view him as a very good piece in the bullpen.  He made $2.5 million last year and almost assuredly will be in line for a raise.  Park was an integral part that kept a shaky bullpen in one piece throughout the 2009 season, however, $3 million or more might be too much for the Phils to think about.

(2:17 pm): This is just my own two cents, but looking at our bullpen situation, does Matt Lindstrom make sense here in Philly?  The Marlins are reportedly shopping him and he’s coming off a season in which injuries took their toll on him.  Lindstrom throws in the upper-90′s, but does struggle with some control issues.  However, he’s arb-eligible this year and next, so he would come cheap.  The question is, which prospects would it take to nab him from Florida?  Anyone for or against this idea?

(1:00 pm):The first bit of Phillies news coming out is from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse regarding Joe Blanton. Price says the Phils are considering moving Blanton because of his arbitration price-tag.  Big Joe made $5.475 million last season, and is due a raise after a stellar 2009 campaign.

Blanton would be looking at somewhere in the $7 million ballpark through arbitration, so trading him would give the Phils new flexibility.  However, it would take away one of the most solid #3′s in the National League.

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  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Exactly…if were trotting Kendrick out there we could have Mariano and it wouldnt really matter because even hed get worn down.

    Come on man…

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I hear that Pedro ran out of gas at the end after a few months!

  • Posts: 0 Dan S

    Dom, absolutely rollins will play another 5 seasons unless there is some sort of careers ending injury. Derek Jeter is coming up on his 15 season in the majors which shows that shortstops can last that long. I’m not saying jimmy is derek jeter, but that doesnt mean he wont last another 5 seasons. If in 5 years Jimmy Rollins in not a member of the Phillies it will not be because of retirement.

  • Posts: 0 JJFritz

    There seems to be a lot of talk about signing Justin Duscherer. Which sounds good to me as well. There is also talk about trading Blanton, or even Happ. Why not do it all?! Blanton and Happ in a deal for Halladay may be extremely interesting to the ears of Toronto. And signing Duscherer would give the Phils a good #3 or #4 guy… That would give us a rotation of Lee, Halladay(interchangeable), Hamels, Duscherer, and someone low-risk, high-reward for #5…. I like the thought of bringing Pedro M. back as well. And if he and Kendrick are willing to spot start for each other, giving Kendrick experience and Pedro rest, why not give that a look? That way the pressure isn’t on either one solely. And, the other is good for the bullpen, and still be able to start every 10 days.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Penny for 7 million plus incentives just set a crazy market for pitching. I wonder what Lackey and Harden will command now.

  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    PSUJOE- my thoughts exactly. If thats a precursor to what we will see, I fear for the Phillies in this market without much to spend. I think cooler heads prevail in the long run, but yikes. Thats WAY too much.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I hope so. He was cut for the love of Pete. I guess they have confidence in Tim Duncan to help Penney turn it around. Lackey must be licking his chops.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Penny is GARBAGE, I cant believe that he got 7 Million! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Guess the recession is over…

  • Posts: 0 MikeB.

    I would not give Chad Durbin any more than $1.8 million if I were the Phils. I agree with you Pat that Durbin is not worth over $2 million. Was really an up and down pitcher last season. I think that the Phils can do better than this guy/find a better reliever to fill his slot.

  • Posts: 0 JeffR

    I’m not the biggest Blanton fan but if Penny’s getting 7.5 mil, Joe is worth at least that. No more Durbin please. Use the money for Park.

  • Posts: 0 Lucky

    Jimmy retireing in 5 years? Are you crazy? I cannot see that AT ALL! Jimmy Rollins is a Juan Piere/Kenny Loftin type of player. As long as he still has his legs Jimmy will be in a major leauge uniform, whether its the Phillies or the Oakland As (remember Jimmy is from Oakland) and I can see Jimmy retireing in his hometown…Sort of like they did with Lieberthal, and Wolf (wolf to an extent). The Phillies family looks after their homegrown kids…They figure if you still want to play at that age, they will try to get on a team closer to your family & friends…Atleast in my oppinion

  • Posts: 0 Lucky

    BTW…As much as we all would love to see Blanton involved in any Halladay trade, it wont happen. Theres always a possibility, but thats very unlikely. It’s almost 90% possitive that its a ”Starter for Starter” trade, because if it isn’t it wouldn’t make sense at all. It’s like stripping us butt ass naked. Who would be our 3 or 4 guy? Happ is elegible enough to be a solid #3 but in my opinion a solid #4 for now. Lee/Hamels/Happ/??????/Moyer/Kendrick. I say get Duchscherer, resign Martinez, and maybe another low risk, high reward type of bullpen guy and were good enough to make another run.

  • Posts: 0 Matt

    I’m completely fine with moving Blanton as long as it’s either an upgrade of a starter, or a lateral move for a younger, cheaper 3/4 starter. I’d like to see an upgrade from Joe, because while I really like the guy, I’d like to see a better #3 guy. Happ isn’t as good as he was last year, and he should fall back to earth once all the luck starts to even out…

    Also, I heard the Phils are looking at Aroldis Chapman, and for the right price, I’d be thrilled to have him. To have a kid like him, as well as Kyle Drabek, ready to come up in the future would be huge. A big lefty with a 102 mph heater who is said to be one of the top 3 pitchers in the world that isn’t in the MLB…Of course, I set our chances of getting Chapman at about the same chances of us getting Halladay (aka almost zero…)

  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    The last 20 years of performance enhancement has completely screwed up the expected lifespan of an effective major leaguer. You have to watch how a player evolves. Jimmy Rollins may be the nl gold glove at ss, but like Jeter, it is more based upon name recognition and the lack of another star in a large market team. Jimmy’s range, while still better than most, has decreased the last two years (not based upon statistics, although they may back it up, just based upon watching games). His bat speed also seems to be slowing down. He has never been the ideal lead-off hitter, now he is better suited to a bottom of the order guy. Unfortunately, we have few alternatives (Vic has been terrible when put in lead-off, Werth would do well, but then you lose Howard’s protection and a ton of RBIs).
    If Howard is still playing in 5 years, it won’t be with the Phils – like Hamels, he is salivating at the chance to get a big contract in free agency, and big guys tend to fall off a cliff in their mid thirties (Luzinski, Vaughn, Jim Rice,….). He won’t give a home team discount, and the Phils won’t resign him. Probably a DH if still around. Utley will be a first baseman by then (probably replacing Howard when he goes), Rollins will be a utility infielder if still in baseball. Same with PP.
    This team as constructed has a two year window at most. We’ve been lucky to have the same basic team since 2007. With the exception of the Yanks, no other team in baseball has a core that has been together as long as the Phils, nor experienced more success (look at the NL east, name an infield who have had at least 2 guys play more than 120 games together for 3 straight seasons – Phils are the only ones). Now the question is do you mortgage part of the 4th best farm system in baseball to win in the nex two years, or put out a competitive team, hope to get lucky, and focus on the next generation?

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Keith law is such a tool. He called the Cardinals’ signing of Brad Penny “an excellent move.” What? 7 million dollars for that slop pitcher? Hahahahaha. That has permanently has no credibility, as if he had any before anyway.

  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    Geoff, I read that same thing and thought, what is this guy on? Penny for $9 million is an excellent move? Got to be kidding me. The dude was released last year and did OK for an NL West team. I get that the Cardinals handle pitching well, but I feel like you could have gotten him for half that.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Thats a bad deal any way you look at it. The Cardinals must really be arrogant if they feel they can fix Penny. Im sick of lauding that pitching coach anyways. They only pitch well for him, and when they leave they usually suck again. Like, Id take Joel Piniero if he pitches like that again, but once he leaves that place he will suck again.

  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    I know he’s an idiot and has had some (ok, a lot of) off-field issues, but I always liked Myers: goofy off the field, intense on it – like that one buddy who is always in trouble, but at the drop of a hat is there to help when needed. I think he would be a great back of the bullpen guy, and a decent back-up closer. Have to think there is a personality clash somewhere, either in the clubhouse, or with upper management. Good luck Brett.
    Putz wouldn’t be a a bad pick-up if you could get him to take and incentive laden deal, but the recent signings seem to be way out of whack $$ – not sure if anyone is going cheap.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Randy Wolf looks poised to land a 3 year, 28M deal with the Brewers. Wow.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Well, at least that..

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    ANy good young arms out there that a contender would trade for Blantan? The reason I ask is why not look at a three team deal.

    Blanta to team A. Young major league ready pitcher to Toronto.
    Phils add prospects that go to the Blue Jays for Halladay.

  • Posts: 0 Rdavis

    So, let me get this straight…The Braves have committed 16.5-18 million dollars next season for 3 relievers…2 of which are 38 or older? Are they nuts?

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    No, please everyone stop!!! Its driving me crazy. Dont take it personally anyone, but this is like a mad sickness. Just like, everything is about Roy Halladay. The chances of landing him are so remote, mainly because they cannot afford to pay his salary. Hes too good for Toronto to “eat some of his salary,” as he will cost enough just to land to begin with. After spending about 8.5 M of that 20M. They have 11.5 remaining. They need another starting pitcher of some sort, from the risky group, and then four relief pitchers. Now, two of those could be Durbin and Condrey if they are tendered contracts for arbitration. however, I do not think Chad Durbin should get tendered. For 2M+ you can do a bit better, or you can get the same production that he gives you for less than 2M. Id tender Condrey an offer. They may be trying again to resign Chan Ho Park and resolve those differences. So say you bring back Park at 3M (little pricey, but eh), and Condrey. Theres two slots. Condrey wont make much though. so lets say 4M between those two.

    Now you have 7M left over for two relievers and a starting pitcher who does not suck. One of those will be left-handed because of the uncertainty surrounding Romero.

    Now I can begin to see why they are tossing around the idea of trading Joe Blanton.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Durbin has been very good for us over the past two seasons.. his arm just about fell off at the end of last year .. but he goes out there and does his job as a long reliever


    Why would TEAM A .. trade a young, major league ready pitcher.. for Joe Blanton (who is a Free Agent next year) .. top help us get Roy Halladay.. which would make the Phillies nearly impossible for TEAM A to beat

    Brett Myers is not coming back to Philadelphia… they wouldn’t have cut ties with him at the end of the season if they had any plans to possibly bring him back

    That is a media story.. not something the Phillies would actually do

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    They are thinking about dealing Joe Blanton, because when Randy Wolf gets a 3 year, $10 Million per season deal

    Joe Blanton would probably get at least that..

    and I think they would rather keep Werth and Victorino here than pay “Above Average” Joe Blanton that much money per season. .

    I like Blanton, but not for $10 M per season.. and especially not when the extra $3 M per season is the likely difference in keeping one of our OF’s here

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Rafael Soriano has publicaly said hell request a trade, but he accepted the arb offer because he is smart and he knows that he wont get that on the open market.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yes, I completely agree.

    Werth + Victorino, even for just another year, is preferable. Its starting to look like theyll get that starter via trade anyway.

    I mean, if Penny is getting 7.5-9 M, what will Piniero and Marquis get? Who would be ok for a certain price if they reproduce their contract year’s. But wouldnt they each command three years at 10 million per? Thats scary.

    What could we land the Duke for? Duscherer, I mean. Itd have to be at least what they gave to Penny.

    I am actually ok with using Bastardo out of the pen. His ceiling is much higher than the over available lefty free agents that the Phillies could afford.

    Id take Condrey, Bastardo, Park, and Lyon as my bullpen slots if thats doable. That would make a formidable bullpen. Youre replacing Durbin with Lyon, which is an upgrade.

    It does appear Blanton will be getting 10M per season in FA. So I agree that now is the time to move him if that would ever happen.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Don, I agree, but everyone is saying that Blantan would have to be traded for another pitcher. If not a cheaper younger arm then why would the Phillies do it? I guess it means Blantan will remain a Phil.

    I’m all for going after Duchscherer on a contract loaded with incentives.

    Obviously Mathiason is a given based on his injury history, but he’s got a major league fastball and is progressing. I expect him to have a role in the bigs in 2010.

  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    According to reports the Padres are not going to tender Kevin Correia. Wonder what it would take to get him? I can’t see them just letting him walk for nothing. I’m sure we could offer them something for him. He would look good as our 5th starter. Really good. Wouldn’t be really expensive. Would think would make under 3mill this year.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    in theory.. you would trade Blanton for a cheaper-younger pitcher. .

    but the more realistic scenario would be a package deal .. maybe Blanton + Michael Taylor for ???

    I can’t see anything like that happening though.

    I like the idea of trying to be creative, and discuss a possible 3-team deal.. but for the reason I stated above: “Why would TEAM A .. trade a young, major league ready pitcher.. for Joe Blanton (who is a Free Agent next year) .. top help us get Roy Halladay.. which would make the Phillies nearly impossible for TEAM A to beat”

    No trade like that would ever happen…

    The more teams see how much an AVERAGE pitcher costs as a Free Agent (Wolf, Blanton types making $10 M per season) … teams will do all that they can to hold on to any pitcher they feel might help them win games.. and the team can control that players’ salary for 6 years

    which is why i am SHOCKED that the Padres might release Kevin Correia (I dont know much about him, but looks good on paper, and he’s cheap)

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Couple things:

    “Yahoo’s Tim Brown tweets that Penny will get the full $9MM if he reaches 204 innings. Also, the Cardinals agreed not to offer arbitration if Penny is a Type A free agent (a clause I’m betting will be popular this year).”

    interesting that players will be so careful with the NO-ARBITRATION clause, probably more than the NO-TRADE clause

    There is talks of a 3-team trade: Tigers, Yankees, Diamonbacks

    Tigers get:
    Max Shcerezer – from Arizona,
    Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, and Mike Dunn – from NYY

    Yankees get:
    Curtis Granderson …and one or two prospects from Arizona

    Diamondbacks get:
    Edwin Jackson – from Detroit
    Ian Kennedy – from NYY

    … this has since been called “VERY UNLIKELY” .. but it’s interesting to see the Yankees letting Ian Kennedy and Austin Jackson’s names float around

    Jackson is who the Blue Jays want for Halladay.. along with either Hughes or Joba

  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Don M, I would be shocked if it was ANY team BUT the Padres. They are in shambles right now. They are in financial ruins and having to pay a pitcher north of 2 mill would take up too much of their payroll right now. I’m not sure what they would want but I am sure they wouldn’t want anyone with ML experience with their service clock started. I say we go after him.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Then baseball seriously needs to have a MINIMUM SALARY CAP

    because its terrible for the sport that the Marlins, Padres, Royals, Pirates, etc..

    have to trade all their good players to the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels.. because they simply can’t afford to keep them

    Teams with unlimited resources can spend more on Draft Picks, Scouting, International Scouting, etc.. so they have more and better prospects to trade to these small market teams.

    If Pittsburgh makes the playoffs in the next ten years I’ll buy new cars for all my friends

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I totally agree. If you cant meet the minimum salary floor then you should be allowed to own a team, period!!!!

  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Do they HAVE to trade their young talent or are they unwilling to risk not turning a profit? I’m pretty sure I just read that the Pirates have turned a profit for 6 consecutive seasons. So, is it a matter of teams unwilling to not turn a profit one year rather than look to the long term appreciation of a winning team?

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Its a matter of turning a profit, period. I used to live in Pittsburhg during college and grad school…ask any of those fans. They make bank even though nobody goes to the games.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    they make money due to profit-sharing from the larger market teams.. teams that have cable networks pay them MILLIONS per year just to broadcast their games

    because there is a bigger fan base, more demand, etc..

    If baseball wants to have any chance at remaining the National Pastime.. they need to get these payrolls under control.. on both the extreme HIGH end, and the extreme LOW end

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeah definitely…I agree with that…

  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    I think the downside is a bigger issue than the upside. If teams were forced to spend to a threshhold we wouldn’t have these issues where teams trade away young talent because they don’t want to have to pay them in order to turn a profit. The upside teams pay a penalty for going too high so the bottom teams should be penalized as well. If the bottom teams hold onto their young talent you would think they would win more games which in turn would bring in more revenue. It’s just getting them over that short term outlook.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Bingo, Don… say what you want about the Yankees, they’re good for baseball. The Pirates would never be able to field a team if they didn’t have revenue sharing… their model is to keep costs low, churn out young talent and sell just enough tickets to make a profit. They are able to sell a few tickets because baseball fans are hopeful animals by nature and young players are fun to watch. I’m sure they hope that one year they’ll have enough young talent on the field to win something but they’re making money and that’s really all that matters, isn’t it? I don’t know if they have a large enough fan base (and potential fan base) to justify spending money to try to win with what they’ve got. One thing is for sure, they’ve had a lot of talent roll through Pittsburgh. Recently, they’ve had J. Bay, X. Nady, A. LaRoche, A. McCutchen, F. Sanchez, N. Morgan… go back further… Ba. Bonds, D. Drabek, B. Bonilla… you get the point. They can’t afford to keep guys; they are forced to shake up the can and see which combinations land on the table, hoping they hit that elusive yahtzee!

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Looks like that big three way deal is done and contingent on physicals. mlbtr says Dunn was removed from the deal. Details coming.

  • Posts: 0 Dudley Monk

    Cheap teams usually win nothing. To get rid of Blanton because he is arbitration-eligible really burns my buns. If the Phils are in bad shape financially then that is one thing. They are a profit-making organization that will tumble badly financially if they do not not make sound team-improving decisions. These cost money. Sad fact, but true. Either play to win or get out of the game all together. As fans we have stuck by the team through thick and thin, we have won recently and we like it too much not to care otherwise. WE WANT TO WIN AGAIN, and Again and again.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Anyone else puzzled why Arizona values Edwin Jackson more than Max Scherzer?

    Detroit made out fairly well on the deal, they get two lefties for the pen, a top notch prospect whos close to being ready to be a starting outfielder for them, and a young, cheap 3rd or 4th starter to go into their rotation. Assuming come guys come back healthy and in form the Tigers are going to have a good rotation…

    Rick Porcello
    Max Scherzer

    Thats not too shabby…

    But…how did they let the freaking Yankees get Granderson. That ticks me off…they could have at least pawned off Miguel Cabrera to ruin that team..

  • Posts: 0 Ben

    original chuck, while you are right they can’t afford what the yankees can afford, the bottom teams are not spending what they can. i’d be curious what their profit looks like, but ownership won’t open their books. something like $90M goes to those lower teams between revenue sharing and tv contracts, yet their total salary for the year doesn’t even come close to that.

    there is something grossly wrong with that, i’m glad i’m not a fan of a team that follows that mantra and opens their wallet for the fans.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I don’t think the Phillies would get rid of Blanton “because he is arbitration eligable”

    I think they would get rid of him, because after this season, he becomes a Free Agent, and they won’t want to pay him $10 Million per season for 3-4 years

    And I can’t blame them

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Granderson is going to love that short porch in right. WHose odd man out Damon or Cabrera?

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think they offered Damon $20 M over 2 years?

  • Posts: 0 Kennedy

    The thing to do with Blanton is to use him as part of a three-way deal for an ace.

    Problem is, there aren’t any aces really available. So I can’t see anything getting done.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    So, three years ago Gillick paid Adam Eaton $24 million over three years, and last year Amaro gave Moyer $16 million over two years, but now they’re worried about having to pay big Joe $10 million a year? It doesn’t make sense to me – especially with so much money coming off the books over the next two seasons. There were long stretches of 2009 when Blanton was their most reliable starter.

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