Baseball Winter Meetings Updates

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, December 10, 2009 02:20 PM | Comments: 402
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Originally posted at 1:09 p.m., December 7, 2009

Phillies Nation will continually update this post throughout the week as the MLB Winter Meetings heat up in Indianapolis.

Day 4:

(6:03 am): The Phillies are now back into the Halladay discussion, according to Ken Rosenthal. He says the Phillies are prepared to ship J.A. Happ, Dom Brown or Michael Taylor, and another prospect to Toronto in a deal.  They would also have to trade Joe Blanton to free up money for this to happen.  My thought: is this 100% worth it? The bounty is not as high as last season, however, giving up Blanton means two very good starters would be out, plus some prospects.  Interesting scenarios are brewing out in Indy early today.

Also, late last night, the Houston Astros swooped in and landed Brandon Lyon for a reported three years, $15 million. That’s a bit more than I figured he was worth, especially for a guy who has an up and down track record.  I though the Phils might be able to get him at two years under $10 million.

(11:30am): Jason Stark mentions the Phils are seriously considering John Smoltz as a “back-of-the-bullpen weapon.”  Smoltz’s agent apparently told the Phils that the pitcher has no problem with Citizens Bank Park; although we all know that has not always been the case.  Smoltz has bashed the Phillies home field  on numerous occasions.

(2:18pm) With the 17th overall pick, the Phillies selected Kenneth David Herndon from the Angels’ AA team. Herndon is a 24 year-old right-handed pitcher who was 5-6 with a 3.03 ERA and 11 saves in 50 appearances last season.

They also picked up Angelo Sanchez, another right handed pitcher. The 20 year-old went 5-1 with a 5.52 ERA in 12 starts with the Twins’ AAA affiliate.

On the flip side, the Phillies lost right-hander Carlos Monasterios to the New York Mets. You may remember him as one of the guys in the Bobby Abreu trade of 2006.

Day 3:

(9:38 pm): This Phillies.com headline says it all: Phillies not likely to land Halladay.  The Los Angeles Angels made an offer to the Blue Jays, and now it appears the Phillies are out of the mix.

(9:10 pm): Jayson Stark says that the Phillies have been equally aggressive on Fernando Rodney as they have been on Brandon Lyon.  Stark questions if the Phillies would pay Rodney “closer-type money.”

(8:04 pm): Roy Halladay update: Jon Heyman of SI joins the fray saying he’s heard that the Phillies are joining the Halladay discussions.  Who in your opinion has the best shot out of the Phils, Red Sox, Angels, or Yankees in the hunt for Doc?

(7:23 pm): Things have been relatively quiet regarding the Phillies over the past few hours.  However, if your scoring at home, cross Matt Lindstrom, LaTroy Hawkins, and possibly, Rich Harden, off your lists.  Lindstrom went to Houston in a trade, Hawkins signed with Milwaukee, and Harden might be on his way to the Rangers.  I’m a big fan of Harden and what he can bring, although he might be a reliever very soon because he just cant stay healthy.  I also brought up Lindstrom here on this forum a few days ago as a possible back-end guy, but Ed Wade struck while the iron was hot.

(3:53 pm): Earlier today, Todd Zolecki wrote a post saying the Phillies have just as good a chance as any other team at acquiring the services of Roy Halladay.  He polled executives around the league asking if they thought the Phillies had enough depth down on the farm to make something happen, and many said they did.  Still, does it make sense to get Halladay for what will likely be one year?  I see the Angels and Red Sox as front runners here, and the Yankees in the mix too if they are willing to give up either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain.  It pains me to say that, because I hate that they get all the “good” players out there, but such is the case.  Would anyone hate to see Happ/Brown/Gose go for possibly one season of Doc?

(2:37 pm): John Smoltz and Ron Mahay are two names that have popped back up within the past few hours.  Smoltz would fight for the fifth spot in the rotation, and/or a late-inning bullpen situation.  Personally, I believe Smoltz is better suited as a bullpen arm. He’d fit well in the Myers/Park role. He pitched well at times last year, but seemed to be a three inning guy.  In 2009, from the fourth inning on, Smoltz recorded an ERA of 5.40.  He never once reached the seventh inning in any game last season.

Mahay is a great option should Scott Eyre walk away for good.  Mahay is 37 (why does it seem like every lefty is at least 35?) and posted an ERA just north of four a season ago with Kansas City and Minnesota.  He would ably fill the gap left by Eyre and can be the #1 lefty if JC Romero is not healthy enough for a return at the start of the season.

(2:25 pm): Sorry for the delay on the news, but we’ve finally resolved our server problems.  It was Phillies overload.

By now, you know that the Phillies inked Ross Gload to a two-year deal to round out their bench.  The terms of the contract have not yet been released, but the Phillies bench certanly will look a lot different than last season.  Gload hit .261/.329/.729 last season with Florida.  This is an OK move for RAJ to make.  Gload won’t knock your socks off, but can play several positions and led the NL in pinch hits in 2009.  I would rather the Phillies saved the money on Gload and went with a younger option, but following last seasons bench debacle, it’s understandable Amaro would solidify that shortcoming right away.  More soon…

Day 2:

(4:09 pm): Looks like that three-team trade between Arizona, Detroit, and the New York Yankees will be made.  The main pieces, Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson, will go to New York and Arizona, respectively.  The Tigers get a bunch of youngsters in return, including pitcher Max Scherzer.

You may not want to hear this, but now that a few of the Yankees blue chippers are packing, does that take them out of the Roy Halladay sweepstakes completely?  Does that also bolster the Phillies chances of getting Doc?  One of the Yankees top prospects, Austin Jackson, goes to Detroit, so they lose that piece which would certainly be involved for Halladay.  This is all just a forethought, obviously, but it’s something to think about. Although nothing really stops the Yankees from making trades.

(12:59 pm):All the talk over the last 24 hours here in Phillie-land has been about Joe Blanton.  Is it wise to move him?  How much will he make next season?  Why would Brad Penny get so much in free agency? (I threw the last one in myself).  David Murphy has put his own spin on it, and in his heart of hearts does not believe Big Joe goes.  That doesn’t mean it won’t happen, however, I think it’s something the Phillies certainly need to explore.

(10:38 am): My own two cents again, but after seeing what some pitchers are reeling in on the open market money-wise, I’d almost rather go with Bastardo, Escalona, and Condrey in the pen, with Kendrick, Moyer, and Free-Agent-to-be-Named in the running for the fifth rotation spot.  That would leave one relief spot open for a guy like Lyon, who looks to be commanding at least $5 million at this point (just a guess).  Rafael Soriano getting nearly $8 million through arb?  Maybe I’m nieve, but none of the guys out there seem worth that kind of dough?  Didn’t think Wagner was worth it, or Penny either.  Guess that’s just the way the market is opening up in the early going.

(9:02 am): According to Jon Paul Morosi, several teams are in on J.J. Putz.  He lists the Cubs, White Sox, D’Backs, Rangers, Nationals, and Tigers as all having interest, but don’t be surprised if Rube is kicking the tires on the former Met.  The 32-year old made $6 million last season, but was hindered by injuries, posting a 5.22 ERA in just 29 appearances.  Prior to his ’09 failure, Putz was a revelation in Seattle, putting up 36 and 40 saves in 2006 and 2007, respectively. He’d fit in nicely with Lidge and Madson toward the back of the ‘pen, but at what cost?

(8:39 am): Paul Hagen of the Philadelphia Daily News brings back our old friend Brett Myers as a possible free agent starting pitcher.  Hagen wonders why the Phillies haven’t looked his way at all this offseason.  I’d be all for it if Myers wanted to take a one-year, incentive laden deal, however, reports have him seeking a two-year deal, and he wants a shot at closing if he’s in the bullpen.  I’m not sure you can count on him as a starter, and I’m pretty certain his shtick grew tired here, so it’s doubtful we will see Myers again in ’10.

Cross some relievers off your big board if your scoring at home. Rafael Soriano and Rafael Betancourt each accepted arbitration with their respective clubs.  Soriano will be back with Atlanta, reportedly for somewhere in the $6.5-$8 million range.  Betancourt is looking for a raise from the $3.55 million he made with Colorado in 2009. Other relief pitchers who reject arbitration: Jose Valverde, Fernando Rodney, and Brian Shouse.

Day 1:

(7:30 pm): Take Brad Penny off your list of possible Phillies starters for next year.  He has signed a one-year (get ready for this), $7.5 million contract, plus $1.5 million in incentives, to join the St. Louis Cardinals.

Wow. That seems like a hefty amount for a guy who was released mid-season by the Boston Red Sox.  He finished with a 4.88 ERA between Boston and San Francisco, winning 11 games in 173 1/3 innings.  Hopefully, like with the Billy Wagner deal, this doesn’t hinder the Phillies attempts to acquire a starter through free agency.

(6:10 pm):Justin Duchscherer is now a free agent after declining arbitration from the Oakland A’s, according to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.  Duchscherer missed all of 2009, but is a former two-time all star – once as a starter, once as a reliever.  He is at the head of the buy-low class, and reports are out there that he may go to an east coast team; the reason being his divorced wife and son live in New Jersey. Assuming he is healthy and has gotten past his personal issues, Duchscherer would look great with a Phillies “P” on his cap.

(4:45 PM): Martino tweets about the Phillies bringing back both Chad Durbin and Clay Condrey, although nothing is set just yet.  Condrey seems like a no-brainer to me, but Durbin is a different story.  He made $1.65 million last season, so that figure may rise north of $2 million.  Not sure he is worth that much.  Thoughts?

(3:00 PM): Earlier today, Andy Martino of the Inquirer posted that the Phillies are meeting with representatives from Chan Ho Park’s camp to figure out where both sides are regarding a contract.  Park as said previously he wants to start, but the Phils view him as a very good piece in the bullpen.  He made $2.5 million last year and almost assuredly will be in line for a raise.  Park was an integral part that kept a shaky bullpen in one piece throughout the 2009 season, however, $3 million or more might be too much for the Phils to think about.

(2:17 pm): This is just my own two cents, but looking at our bullpen situation, does Matt Lindstrom make sense here in Philly?  The Marlins are reportedly shopping him and he’s coming off a season in which injuries took their toll on him.  Lindstrom throws in the upper-90′s, but does struggle with some control issues.  However, he’s arb-eligible this year and next, so he would come cheap.  The question is, which prospects would it take to nab him from Florida?  Anyone for or against this idea?

(1:00 pm):The first bit of Phillies news coming out is from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse regarding Joe Blanton. Price says the Phils are considering moving Blanton because of his arbitration price-tag.  Big Joe made $5.475 million last season, and is due a raise after a stellar 2009 campaign.

Blanton would be looking at somewhere in the $7 million ballpark through arbitration, so trading him would give the Phils new flexibility.  However, it would take away one of the most solid #3′s in the National League.

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  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Theyre worried about it because those were bad moves, and a reason why they may not be able to afford to do that…signing Jamie Moyer for 2 years 16 million was almost as bad of a move as Eaton’s 3 year, 24 million dolllar deal. They were terrible moves.

  • Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan

    I still maintain the Phillies recent success has been in spite of the ownership, not because of it. Middleton is the only one I care for, the rest are a bunch of cheap money grubbers, who don’t seem to have the business sense to recognize that by investing in a better product (the team) they increase the potential for long term, sustained profitability. If they get cheap now, and let this team wither away, then in 5 years, the franchise will be right back where it started, with much lower attendance, and no real outlook for great success either financially or on the field.

  • Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan

    Of course I believe the Phillies will always turn a profit, but what I mean here is that they have a chance to really establish themselves as one of those elite franchises, that’s always a threat to win it all, has a national fan base, and is aggressive in getting elite players because they recognize that by doing that, they INCREASE their profits, because success= lots of fan support=money

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I agree that, if they WOULD make the investment. Even something as small as signing Cliff Lee to an extension, or locking up Victorino or Werth – THOSE would be wise moves if they want to pony up the money. If they magically traded for Roy Halladay and extended him, that would be a good investment too.

    There is a little something to that If they dont keep the right players around and KEEP Taylor and Brown and Drabek to replenish to stock then in a few years theyll have guys that are old and losing power and expensive. It is important to fuse new blood into the mix, but they must keep a winning team in tact as long as possible so that those kids arent pressured too much from the beginning. RUSHING Kyle Drabek up because you have nothing else in front of him could ruin the kid. Its happened before with the Phillies…you all remember it….they need to be patient with him.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I like the Polanco move for that reaon. I see little to no value in getting DeRosa or Figgins or Beltre instead. Polanco fits for this group of players. It keeps them a veteran winning group. I really would like to bring in Lyon to bolster the bullpen. And resolve this situation with the starting rotation.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    But short of any obvious indications that theyre ready to shell out even more money than the 20M they said…making SMART signings that help you win now is the way to go – which is what RAJ has been doing since he took over. Sans Moyer.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Given the fact that Blanton is gone after this season (they won’t re-sign him for what he’s going to ask), the Phillies should consider trading Blanton if they can get better now or at a minumum remain even and upgrade the future. These are the scenarios that could play out:

    a) trade Blanton for a solid prospect or two (better than they would get as draft compensation) AND subsequently sign a free-agent #3 or #4 starter (not worse this year, better in the future)
    b) trade Blanton (and prospect) for a top of the rotation pitcher that is veritably better… which makes us better this year
    c) trade Blanton for a cheaper position need (bench/utility?) and sign or trade for a marginally better free agent pitcher with the cost savings… can’t do without a starting pitcher. Better this year

  • Posts: 0 Kennedy

    As long as the Stadium continues to sell out, hopefully they will keep spending more.

    We’ll never make Yankees money, but we can definitely cement ourselves in the top earners bracket with a consistently great team.

    It is a lot more profitable to make the playoffs and spend 40 million more on payroll than it is to not make the playoffs with a low payroll.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeah it is. The Phillies should be in that range now where they always have a 100M+ payroll and can always compete. As long as people keep filling that beautifcul place down there which I already miss – but once I step outside and remember its cold I remember.

    I like option A or B. option B is less likely, option A is reasonable. Marquis, Piniero, guys like that are decent 3/4 type guys who could do an admirable job is Blanton was traded, but would they sign for less than the money Blanton would get? I have my doubts and concerns about that…

    Randy Wolf was offered 3 years 31M from the Brewers….wow, hell probably sign that…so Wolf is average a shade over 10M a year, with Penny getting 7.5-9.

    I dunno…

  • Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan

    Ohh of course it’s important to make smart decisions with the money they spend, and to add young players to the mix as well. But my assertion is that they’ll try to get away without spending the money at all if they can. Only trade Blanton if you can add another piece somewhere else, and use the money to go get another pitcher, don’t deal him just for the sake of shedding his salary or out of fear of what he might cost next season. Doing that would be a backward step, and not in keeping with what an elite, winning franchise does.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Um, yeah, I just think they know that though. They are obviously not going to trade Blanton without a plan in place to upgrade or replace him. That would be stupid, Amaro is not stupid.

  • Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan

    I’m not so sure, Geoff. Remember, this recent success has been a departure from how the Phillies usually fare, as much as I hate to say it. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if they simply dumped him just to shed salary.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Sheez, I looked at the Yanks payroll. They’re at 197 mil if the sign Damon and Pettite for 21 total. That’s 197 for 15 players. Does that take them out of the Halladay sweepsteakes or is that wishful thinking?

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I thouht the Yankees said they were trying to TRIM payrtoll….you forgot Granderson…8.5M this year escalating for the next 3/4 years….

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Three years ago, they weren’t paying Howard $20 Million..

    Two years ago, they weren’t paying Utley $15 Million.. or Lidge $12.5 Million

    Or Werth $7 Million ..

    you have to look at the entire team and payroll.. not just “they paid Eaton x, and Moyer xyz”

  • Posts: 0 Geoff


  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I agree that the Ynkas are probably out of the Halladay sweepsteaks unless they don;t sign Petite or Damon. there has to be a way to create a three way deal involving Blantan.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I completely, totally, 100% disagree with a lot of what was just said..

    “The Phillies are winning in spite of the ownership, not because of it.”

    “If they get cheap now, and let this team wither away, then in 5 years, the franchise will be right back where it started”

    If the Phillies has made moves that the fans wanted.. Carlos Beltran, Derek Lowe, Alphonso Soriano .. etc.. we wouldn’t have won a god damn thing. let alone 3 NL EAST crowns, and a World Series..

    By being “cheap” and not selling the entire farm system for rental players, like Halladay.. they are trying their best to ensure that we ARE STILL GOOD in 5 years.

    Because I am pretty sure that the 2015 Phillies will look pretty different.. and if Drabek, and Brown, Gose, Taylor, whoever else turn out to be any good .. at least we’ll have some homegrown talent to add pieces to

    We trade them all now for Halladay.. maybe he signs an extension for 3 years… but then you can’t pay him, Hamels, Howard, Utley, Werth, Victorino, etc.. you can’t pay them all what they are worth, because then your payroll will be so high that people wouldn’t be able to afford tickets to the games.

    I, for one, am so thankful for the team(s) the Phillies Front Office has put on the field the past 5 years.. that you will almost never hear me say anything negative about the decisions they make.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeah thats true. I wanna be able to afford to go to the games. If they were the Yankees I would not be able to afford to go to more than one or two games a year, like the Flyers….

    Id like them to make sure that Werth and Victorino are here UNTIL Brown and Taylor or Gose are ready to actually START. Not just come and be thrown to the Wolves. They wont win like that. They need to grom them and have them be ready, same with Drabek. Not just let a bunch of guys leave abnd HOPE the kids are alright. BUT in order to do that, to afford to keep them around, they need to not go out and blow mad money on the Brad Penny’s of the world…..

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Blan-ton … heavy B

    if he gets traded.. I don’t think it would be until the deadline next year..

    Phillies know it takes 3 legit starters in the postseason.. 4 legit starters is a blessing

    so they have Lee, Hamels, Happ… Pedro again?

    with the possibility of Drabek up by the end of next year.. I can definitely see Blanton being traded, just not anytime soon

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    They’ll go to battle with the team they have now… probably plus another #5 Starter.. at least someone to battle for the position

    and I would think they would want a LHP for the back of the pen since Eyre might be done, and you have NO IDEA what JC Romero might give you next year

    I think all their “big moves” are done.. with Polanco

  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    I am looking at the entire payroll, but over the next two seasons. After 2010, Lee ($9 million), Werth ($7 million), and Moyer ($6.5 million) are off the books. That’s $22.5 million total. We can hope that they sign Lee and Werth, but the reality is they’d be lucky to sign one of them. (A clown like A.J. Burnett is making over $16 million, so you can just imagine what Lee will be looking for.) After 2011, Howard ($20 million), Hamels ($9.5 million) and Rollins ($8.5 million) are gone ($38 million total). Again, there’s no way they’ll be able to sign all three (Howard probably ends up in the AL as a DH). So, there’s definitely an end to the Phillies long term contracts escalating – and it’s coming very soon. Which is why going 3/$30 million for a known quantity in Blanton doesn’t seem to be that much of an outrageous idea.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I’m just thinking out loud since I have no clue what type of prospects Blantan would bring. If you look at the Mariners prospects who would Blantan bring in? Saunder? Halman?

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Ross Gloud is a nice pick-up. A big improvement over Stairs.

  • Posts: 0 Lucky

    As much as noone wants to hear about Halladay…I think Amaro has something up his sleeve. Especially signing Gloud…I think Gloud is going to be included in some sort of deal that lands us Halladay, almost the same way last season when we signed Paulino. Especially if the Jays are considering moving Wells, he could be a decent trade chip

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    How much is Gloud costing the Phils?

  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    If I were running the Phils,I would trade Blanton to free up $..and sign Halliday now.Even for one year.
    We are probably never going to see a team like we have now again.
    So go for it.
    After 2011,like Don M said we will have a very different looking team.Odds are not as good as the present one.
    When was the last time great players actually wanted to play for the Phils?Not in my lifetime anyway.They do now ,but it wont last.

  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    I am a big fan of Randy Wolf, but holy crap – that is a huge risk for the Brewers. Randy is a gamer and a genuinely nice guy – but has he ever pitched 200 innings in back to back years? Not realy the Phils style, but I hope the Blanton situation is a negotiating tactic – the prices are crazy right now. The front office has more recent hits than misses, so I have phaith they are going in the right direction.
    In regards to Victorino, I like his energy and speed, but both get him in trouble as often as they save games. I will cheer for him as long as he is here, but would not pay him big bucks. Spend it on Werth, move him to center, then either bring up Taylor (my choice) or find someone on the scrap heap (Church?) to play right. You could bat Taylor down at 7th or 8th and let him find his groove or move on. He’s not going to get much more out of playing in LV.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    NEPA, I agree. Since Blantan is gone next year anyway because of Salary they should do what they can to get Halladay. Going to be tough because I would make Drabek and Brown off limits. Keep in mind with Blantan, Lee and Moyer off the books in 2011, Halladay would be affordable at 18-20 for 3 years, IMO.

  • Posts: 0 Lucky

    They didn’t say how much Gloud’s contract was, but if I had to speculate it would be somewhere in the ballpark of about 3-4 million, 2 years

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I like the Gload pickup. They still have a lot of work to do with their pitching, but I have to admit, Ruben has really rebuilt the bench and done a nice job of it.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Im still trying to figure out the Blanton thing….we keep hearing that they are tiptoing aroudn the fringes of Roy Halladay, lurking….which interests me. I wont hold my breath since its still very unlikely. But theyre definitely up to something. Im intrigued. They wouldnt get rid of Blanton unless they upgraded that position.

  • Posts: 0 Lucky

    Do you really think Gload will be with the team this season? I wouldn’t count them eggs until they hatch. There is always that possibilty, but I would have to think he would be involved in some sort of trade. Dont forget we still have Mayberry on the bench who seems to be a whole lot more promiseing than Gload.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Um, Gload is a better pinch hitting than like, our whole bench was last year….look at the numbers again.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    not to be a d!ck … but can we please call Joe Blanton, BLANTON.. not BLANTAN

    same with HAMELS.. not HAMEL


    for god knows what reason, its bugging the sh!t out of me.. its one thing for a typo but to see it in every single post is the worst

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I really like Big Joe, but if he has to go as long as we up grade that #3 spot I would be fine with that. But I have to agree that we may be better off waiting until next year if the right deal is not in place now.
    And if you can afford Doc for 3 years 18-20 million why not just sign Lee to 4 years 20 million.

  • Posts: 0 Dudley Monk

    I think Lucky makes an interesting point — but I do think Gload stays with the Phils for two years because he is and expects to be a bench player, excellent pinch hitter that can play both outfield corner spots and first base. He is proven as a bench player. Mayberry is the one likely to be traded because of the “UP”side. I think we will see another major deal or signing coming up this week.

  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets that Correia declined the Padres’ final contract offer and has been told he’ll be non-tendered by the Saturday deadline.

    I really can’t believe that Correia will just be let go like that. We should be able to sign him pretty cheap and he is only 29 coming off a pretty good year for the Pads. Would be perfect 5th starter for us.

  • Posts: 0 JeffR

    You don’t sign a free-agent bench player for 2 years to turn around and trade him. If another team wanted him that badly they could have just signed him themselves. The notion that they signed Gload to include him in some deal for Halladay,as Lucky suggests, is ludicrous.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    For once, someone has the ba!!s to point out all the misspellings…..THANK YOU!!!!!!……

    ……because it bugs the sh!t out of me as well…


    The Gload signing….I like it. Not sure of the numbers, but it seems like he gave the Phils fits last year…..so if that’s the case…it’s good to have him on our side now…

  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    Correia would be a great addition to the Phils rotation, but I doubt he’ll be cheap once he hits the open market. I’d be suprised if there aren’t alot of teams offering him several years and a decent pay hike. I’d bet the dodgers are at the top of the list waiting for him.

    It is suspicious that the Padres aren’t willing to go through arbitration and then trade him. If he went to arbitration he could probably get as high as 3 or 4 mill on the topside given salary, at that price he’d still be pretty easy to move and they’d get something back. It makes me wonder if the padres know something we don’t…. but then again they’re one of the worst teams in baseball so maybe i’m giving them too much credit.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    LEE IS SAID TO BE SEEKING “AT LEAST 5 YEARS” … he wants his $100 Million contract.. and he won’t get that from the Phillies

    I was thinking Dodgers too for the Correia deal

    I can’t believe that they got NO TRADE OFFERS for him?? I doubt they had a high asking price.. wonder what happened there

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I seriously think Mayberry is a career AAA player … if we can trade him, and get something in return, we should do it

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Because everyone must have KNOWN theyd non tender him…thats a cheapo move, wow….

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I agree, Mayberry is not a Major League player, at least not a starter…

  • Posts: 0 Lucky

    Now that you pointed it out…That does sound absurd, considering we traded Jaramillo for Paulino last season, and giving Gload a 2 year deal. But That doesn’t stop the fact that Mayberry could be the one dealt instead. All I know is something is BIG is about to go down. Weren’t we supposed to address our bullpen, and aquire another Pitcher? What was the purpose of another bench player? That signing came out of nowhere, and one has to speculate that it has to link to something bigger

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Mayberry would be a throw in though I think in any trade. Actually, is he rule 5 eligible? Some cheap desperate team may try to take a shot at him tomorrow if we leave him unprotected.

  • Posts: 0 JeffS

    “Dont forget we still have Mayberry on the bench who seems to be a whole lot more promiseing than Gload.”

    I couldn’t disagree more. I just don’t think Mayberry has anything like the upside of the top prospects in our system, and would not have the PH-ing BA of Gload. It’s not like our bench plays much, anyway, I guess.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Happ/Brown/Gose….eh, Id probly do it…Because the Phillies would offer him arbitration to guarantee the two draft picks. You could replace the two prospects with those two draft picks anyway. And youd likely be getting two more when lee leaves anyway, because theyll also offer him arbitration. Halladay seems more likely to sign an extension here than Lee would.

    Lee seems hell bent on getting paid the big bucks next offseason.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Happ/Brown and Gose. I don’t know because I don’t think the Phils can afford Halladay with Blanton on the sqaud. Phils can’t afford to lose both. I think they should see what they can get for Blantan. Heck, just ask the Jays who they want as prospects from other teams we think we could get for him.

    Just say no to Mayberry! I’d throw Mayberry in any deal for Halladay. Francisco is who I see being a decent chip because he’s blocking Taylor.

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