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Baseball Winter Meetings Updates

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, December 10, 2009 02:20 PM | Comments: 402
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Originally posted at 1:09 p.m., December 7, 2009

Phillies Nation will continually update this post throughout the week as the MLB Winter Meetings heat up in Indianapolis.

Day 4:

(6:03 am): The Phillies are now back into the Halladay discussion, according to Ken Rosenthal. He says the Phillies are prepared to ship J.A. Happ, Dom Brown or Michael Taylor, and another prospect to Toronto in a deal.  They would also have to trade Joe Blanton to free up money for this to happen.  My thought: is this 100% worth it? The bounty is not as high as last season, however, giving up Blanton means two very good starters would be out, plus some prospects.  Interesting scenarios are brewing out in Indy early today.

Also, late last night, the Houston Astros swooped in and landed Brandon Lyon for a reported three years, $15 million. That’s a bit more than I figured he was worth, especially for a guy who has an up and down track record.  I though the Phils might be able to get him at two years under $10 million.

(11:30am): Jason Stark mentions the Phils are seriously considering John Smoltz as a “back-of-the-bullpen weapon.”  Smoltz’s agent apparently told the Phils that the pitcher has no problem with Citizens Bank Park; although we all know that has not always been the case.  Smoltz has bashed the Phillies home field  on numerous occasions.

(2:18pm) With the 17th overall pick, the Phillies selected Kenneth David Herndon from the Angels’ AA team. Herndon is a 24 year-old right-handed pitcher who was 5-6 with a 3.03 ERA and 11 saves in 50 appearances last season.

They also picked up Angelo Sanchez, another right handed pitcher. The 20 year-old went 5-1 with a 5.52 ERA in 12 starts with the Twins’ AAA affiliate.

On the flip side, the Phillies lost right-hander Carlos Monasterios to the New York Mets. You may remember him as one of the guys in the Bobby Abreu trade of 2006.

Day 3:

(9:38 pm): This Phillies.com headline says it all: Phillies not likely to land Halladay.  The Los Angeles Angels made an offer to the Blue Jays, and now it appears the Phillies are out of the mix.

(9:10 pm): Jayson Stark says that the Phillies have been equally aggressive on Fernando Rodney as they have been on Brandon Lyon.  Stark questions if the Phillies would pay Rodney “closer-type money.”

(8:04 pm): Roy Halladay update: Jon Heyman of SI joins the fray saying he’s heard that the Phillies are joining the Halladay discussions.  Who in your opinion has the best shot out of the Phils, Red Sox, Angels, or Yankees in the hunt for Doc?

(7:23 pm): Things have been relatively quiet regarding the Phillies over the past few hours.  However, if your scoring at home, cross Matt Lindstrom, LaTroy Hawkins, and possibly, Rich Harden, off your lists.  Lindstrom went to Houston in a trade, Hawkins signed with Milwaukee, and Harden might be on his way to the Rangers.  I’m a big fan of Harden and what he can bring, although he might be a reliever very soon because he just cant stay healthy.  I also brought up Lindstrom here on this forum a few days ago as a possible back-end guy, but Ed Wade struck while the iron was hot.

(3:53 pm): Earlier today, Todd Zolecki wrote a post saying the Phillies have just as good a chance as any other team at acquiring the services of Roy Halladay.  He polled executives around the league asking if they thought the Phillies had enough depth down on the farm to make something happen, and many said they did.  Still, does it make sense to get Halladay for what will likely be one year?  I see the Angels and Red Sox as front runners here, and the Yankees in the mix too if they are willing to give up either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain.  It pains me to say that, because I hate that they get all the “good” players out there, but such is the case.  Would anyone hate to see Happ/Brown/Gose go for possibly one season of Doc?

(2:37 pm): John Smoltz and Ron Mahay are two names that have popped back up within the past few hours.  Smoltz would fight for the fifth spot in the rotation, and/or a late-inning bullpen situation.  Personally, I believe Smoltz is better suited as a bullpen arm. He’d fit well in the Myers/Park role. He pitched well at times last year, but seemed to be a three inning guy.  In 2009, from the fourth inning on, Smoltz recorded an ERA of 5.40.  He never once reached the seventh inning in any game last season.

Mahay is a great option should Scott Eyre walk away for good.  Mahay is 37 (why does it seem like every lefty is at least 35?) and posted an ERA just north of four a season ago with Kansas City and Minnesota.  He would ably fill the gap left by Eyre and can be the #1 lefty if JC Romero is not healthy enough for a return at the start of the season.

(2:25 pm): Sorry for the delay on the news, but we’ve finally resolved our server problems.  It was Phillies overload.

By now, you know that the Phillies inked Ross Gload to a two-year deal to round out their bench.  The terms of the contract have not yet been released, but the Phillies bench certanly will look a lot different than last season.  Gload hit .261/.329/.729 last season with Florida.  This is an OK move for RAJ to make.  Gload won’t knock your socks off, but can play several positions and led the NL in pinch hits in 2009.  I would rather the Phillies saved the money on Gload and went with a younger option, but following last seasons bench debacle, it’s understandable Amaro would solidify that shortcoming right away.  More soon…

Day 2:

(4:09 pm): Looks like that three-team trade between Arizona, Detroit, and the New York Yankees will be made.  The main pieces, Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson, will go to New York and Arizona, respectively.  The Tigers get a bunch of youngsters in return, including pitcher Max Scherzer.

You may not want to hear this, but now that a few of the Yankees blue chippers are packing, does that take them out of the Roy Halladay sweepstakes completely?  Does that also bolster the Phillies chances of getting Doc?  One of the Yankees top prospects, Austin Jackson, goes to Detroit, so they lose that piece which would certainly be involved for Halladay.  This is all just a forethought, obviously, but it’s something to think about. Although nothing really stops the Yankees from making trades.

(12:59 pm):All the talk over the last 24 hours here in Phillie-land has been about Joe Blanton.  Is it wise to move him?  How much will he make next season?  Why would Brad Penny get so much in free agency? (I threw the last one in myself).  David Murphy has put his own spin on it, and in his heart of hearts does not believe Big Joe goes.  That doesn’t mean it won’t happen, however, I think it’s something the Phillies certainly need to explore.

(10:38 am): My own two cents again, but after seeing what some pitchers are reeling in on the open market money-wise, I’d almost rather go with Bastardo, Escalona, and Condrey in the pen, with Kendrick, Moyer, and Free-Agent-to-be-Named in the running for the fifth rotation spot.  That would leave one relief spot open for a guy like Lyon, who looks to be commanding at least $5 million at this point (just a guess).  Rafael Soriano getting nearly $8 million through arb?  Maybe I’m nieve, but none of the guys out there seem worth that kind of dough?  Didn’t think Wagner was worth it, or Penny either.  Guess that’s just the way the market is opening up in the early going.

(9:02 am): According to Jon Paul Morosi, several teams are in on J.J. Putz.  He lists the Cubs, White Sox, D’Backs, Rangers, Nationals, and Tigers as all having interest, but don’t be surprised if Rube is kicking the tires on the former Met.  The 32-year old made $6 million last season, but was hindered by injuries, posting a 5.22 ERA in just 29 appearances.  Prior to his ’09 failure, Putz was a revelation in Seattle, putting up 36 and 40 saves in 2006 and 2007, respectively. He’d fit in nicely with Lidge and Madson toward the back of the ‘pen, but at what cost?

(8:39 am): Paul Hagen of the Philadelphia Daily News brings back our old friend Brett Myers as a possible free agent starting pitcher.  Hagen wonders why the Phillies haven’t looked his way at all this offseason.  I’d be all for it if Myers wanted to take a one-year, incentive laden deal, however, reports have him seeking a two-year deal, and he wants a shot at closing if he’s in the bullpen.  I’m not sure you can count on him as a starter, and I’m pretty certain his shtick grew tired here, so it’s doubtful we will see Myers again in ’10.

Cross some relievers off your big board if your scoring at home. Rafael Soriano and Rafael Betancourt each accepted arbitration with their respective clubs.  Soriano will be back with Atlanta, reportedly for somewhere in the $6.5-$8 million range.  Betancourt is looking for a raise from the $3.55 million he made with Colorado in 2009. Other relief pitchers who reject arbitration: Jose Valverde, Fernando Rodney, and Brian Shouse.

Day 1:

(7:30 pm): Take Brad Penny off your list of possible Phillies starters for next year.  He has signed a one-year (get ready for this), $7.5 million contract, plus $1.5 million in incentives, to join the St. Louis Cardinals.

Wow. That seems like a hefty amount for a guy who was released mid-season by the Boston Red Sox.  He finished with a 4.88 ERA between Boston and San Francisco, winning 11 games in 173 1/3 innings.  Hopefully, like with the Billy Wagner deal, this doesn’t hinder the Phillies attempts to acquire a starter through free agency.

(6:10 pm):Justin Duchscherer is now a free agent after declining arbitration from the Oakland A’s, according to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.  Duchscherer missed all of 2009, but is a former two-time all star – once as a starter, once as a reliever.  He is at the head of the buy-low class, and reports are out there that he may go to an east coast team; the reason being his divorced wife and son live in New Jersey. Assuming he is healthy and has gotten past his personal issues, Duchscherer would look great with a Phillies “P” on his cap.

(4:45 PM): Martino tweets about the Phillies bringing back both Chad Durbin and Clay Condrey, although nothing is set just yet.  Condrey seems like a no-brainer to me, but Durbin is a different story.  He made $1.65 million last season, so that figure may rise north of $2 million.  Not sure he is worth that much.  Thoughts?

(3:00 PM): Earlier today, Andy Martino of the Inquirer posted that the Phillies are meeting with representatives from Chan Ho Park’s camp to figure out where both sides are regarding a contract.  Park as said previously he wants to start, but the Phils view him as a very good piece in the bullpen.  He made $2.5 million last year and almost assuredly will be in line for a raise.  Park was an integral part that kept a shaky bullpen in one piece throughout the 2009 season, however, $3 million or more might be too much for the Phils to think about.

(2:17 pm): This is just my own two cents, but looking at our bullpen situation, does Matt Lindstrom make sense here in Philly?  The Marlins are reportedly shopping him and he’s coming off a season in which injuries took their toll on him.  Lindstrom throws in the upper-90′s, but does struggle with some control issues.  However, he’s arb-eligible this year and next, so he would come cheap.  The question is, which prospects would it take to nab him from Florida?  Anyone for or against this idea?

(1:00 pm):The first bit of Phillies news coming out is from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse regarding Joe Blanton. Price says the Phils are considering moving Blanton because of his arbitration price-tag.  Big Joe made $5.475 million last season, and is due a raise after a stellar 2009 campaign.

Blanton would be looking at somewhere in the $7 million ballpark through arbitration, so trading him would give the Phils new flexibility.  However, it would take away one of the most solid #3′s in the National League.




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  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Although Polanco for $6 mil is much better value than Feliz for $4.5

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    I just saw that Griff… I’m glad that I’m not the only one who is having a little buyer’s remorse. Look at my old posts… I’ve been very critical of that signing and this kind of puts it in perspective. Same age, we know that Feliz can play defense and knock in runs, Polanco is a better contact hitter… is that worth two extra years and $2 million more per year? Should have brought back Feliz…

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Yeah, the extra $1.5 is one thing, but the two extra years is another. That third year from Polanco could be a disaster.

     
  • Posts: 0 CZ

    Twitter Nation is abuzz right now that Zolecki said on WIP the Phillies have a 75% chance of landing Halladay TODAY

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    CZ, you serious? I hope Dom Brown is staying. I hope it’s Happ and Taylor, although I actually hope Halladay goes to the Angels.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    OMG. Hell’s about to break loose.

     
  • Posts: 0 JeffS

    I don’t think this Halladay talk is as serious as anyone else does. My guess is that it is first a ploy to find out where Lee is really thinking, dollar and year-wise to extend him – to get a “bottom line” type of counteroffer out of him, as compared to Halladay.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Holly SH&^%. 75% chance. That would be sweet. No doubt that Philly is Halladay’s #1 choice so he may be stearing things our way.

     
  • Posts: 0 CZ

    Backtrack that to 35% chance by Xmas…oh well

     
  • Posts: 0 JeffS

    “Twitter Nation is abuzz right now that Zolecki said on WIP the Phillies have a 75% chance of landing Halladay TODAY”

    I just heard him on WIP within the last hour or so at lunch, and I thought he said a 35% chance of the Phils landing Halladay, and I didn’t get “today” out of the interview; I got more like “this won’t drag on through the winter” talk.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Polanco is a “BASEBALL PLAYER”

    he can play 3 infield spots.. and could probably play some LF too.. he’ll be a great fit with this team, and is defiinitely worth the extra money of Pedro Feliz

    he’s a Gold Glove defender.. which means he’s very solid, and shouldn’t have too much trouble with 3b ..


    These rumors are driving me up a wall … Amaro says 0%… Zolecki says 75% .. and somewhere in the middle lies the truth

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Holy…

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Polanco is a “baseball player” that will be playing 3B, not his normal position, this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Zolecki on his tweeter:

    “Ha, I never said that. I said maybe a 35 percent chance.”

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    I don’t see the benefit in giving Werth a 3-4yr deal at probably at least 10-12mill per. Taylor would slide right into Werth’s spot. Taylor did only hit 20hr’s but it was in only a little over 400 ab’s and his OPS is north of .900. Also, Werth never hit more than 20hr’s in the minor’s also. I think Taylor can do the things that Werth can do, maybe not as well right now but to keep Werth just doesn’t make sense to me. I think Taylor at 400k makes much more sense than Werth at 10-12mill.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    And will still be better overall than Feliz

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Polanco is 5.5 this year including the bonus and 5.25 in 2011. He gets more expensive in 2012 @6.25, but the ecocomy should be better and prices increasing.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    agree, Polanco is better than Feliz. I just hope that third year doesn’t look silly.

     
  • Posts: 0 Pimples Galore

    Is it just me, or does it seem like Ed Wade does everything possible to piss of the Phillies or to gain spite. He’s like the ultimate pencil-neck turd

     
  • Posts: 0 Pimples Galore

    Is it just me, or does it seem like Ed Wade does everything possible to piss off the Phillies or to gain spite. He’s like the ultimate pencil-neck turd

     
  • Posts: 0 Lucky

    As much as everyone doesn’t think this deal will go through…I totally think its going to happen. I just hope everyone is prepared for this to take place…Halladay ”wants” to play in Philadelphia, and the Jays ”want” our prospects. It’s a win-win situation in every angle you look at it. The Jays are just buying us time to move Blanton…I can see this taking place by tomorrow the latest.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Zo is saying that he did not mention any percentage…

     
  • Posts: 0 Matt Kwasiborski

    If the Phils are able to land Halladay and it seems like that is his prefered destination (wants to train on the W. Coast of FL and gives him the best chance to get to the WS) that gives us a rotation of Halladay, Lee and Hamels. That is really sick. Look some of you say he isn’t worth it because of his age. Lee and Halladay are the same age.

    Lee/Halladay gives us Schilling/Johnson combination that will almost guarantee us in the WS for the 3rd year in a row. With our history he would be worth losing Happ and Victorino if the Jays want him.

    We are not guaranteed anything, especially after 2011 when alot of our core will be eligible to leave.

    Phils need to get it done and Halladay wants to be here. I also think the Polanco signing over Beltre sets up Victorino leaving. They are the same type players offensively and neither fits in the 7th hole.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    so what is the actual story and quotes from ZOLECKI on WIP


    never mentioned a %.. or said it would happen today ???

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think Lee is like 3 years younger than Halladay …


    Which is why you could sign Halladay for 3 years.. but Lee wants AT LEAST 5

    Halladay doesn’t want a contract to pitch until he’s 41 years old

     
  • Posts: 0 JeffS

    Don,

    He did mention 35%, but seemed a little equivocal on it. He definitely did not say today – but said he may be wrong, but does not think it will drag into January/February.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Lee is only 1yr younger than Halladay.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Michael Taylor is a good player….with LOTS of potential…..but….PLEASE…he’s not gonna just “slide right into Werth’s spot.”

    Second..let’s all just cool off and wait and see what happens with this Halladay thing before we start jumping all over the place…

    And third….can those that are having “buyer’s remorse” over the Polanco signing please give the guy a chance??!!?? He’s a VERY talented player….and a GREAT fit for this team….right now…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Halladay will turn 33 on May 14th ..

    Lee won’t turn 32 until August 2009..

    I thought Halladay was going to be 34.. maybe because he’s been in the majors longer.. whatever the reason, multiple sources have said before that he will be seeking a 3-4 year deal

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Chuck, how can you justify paying Werth 10-12 million/yr when you have Taylor/Brown waiting? It just makes absolutely no sense. Are we just going to let Brown/Taylor wait in the minors like we did with Utley and Howard? I understand that Werth is a good player but you have to bring up your top prospects at some point. Taylor is 24 now and will be 25 prior to 2011 season. At want point do we bring up our prospects? Werth at 10-12mill or Taylor at 400K? I like Werth a lot but at some point you have to replace your vets with younger players.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    and looking at their career innings totals…

    Halladay has pitched about 800 more.. or about 4 seasons more experience


    Then WTF was “CZ” telling people 75% chance it happens TODAY for????

    come on people.. if you’re posting stuff, at least make them legit

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Brown is young enough, and inexperience enough that he wouldn’t be ready until the second half of NEXT season anyway.. which is about the time that Ibanez could be shipped out in a trade

    Taylor will seemingly be ready for the majors this year.. but that doesn’t mean he’ll be close to matching the production of Werth or Ibanez

    which is why Taylor is the one the Phillies are more interested in trading


    Werth is probably the 3rd most important player in our lineup.. after Utley and Howard

    you can’t get rid of him just because he makes a lot of money.. IF money is the concern, you move Ibanez sooner, and pay Werth with that

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Agreed Jesus, Taylor in 2011 at 400K will take over for Werth and the savings will be used to pay salary increases for the vets who are under contract.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Jayson Werth is a PROVEN right-handed power threat….that has JUST come into his own….and as Don has pointed out….is MAJOR protection for Ryan Howard in the line-up…

    Without him you can pretty much forget about all this Halladay talk…because we’re probably not gonna win anyway…

    If you’re gonna ove anybody from the current line-up….then move Victorino….Werth can play center….and don’t forget that Ibanez’ last year as a Phillie is next year….so it’s not like Brown and Taylor are just going to be languishing in the minors.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Its going to take Taylor 2-3 years to be good enough to protect Howard in the lineup .. and by that time, Howard will be gone since the Phillies won’t be the team that is willing to pay him $25 Million for 5-6 years

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Werth is a must keep. He’s our right handed Power and heck of a fielder to boot. I’d get rid of Ibanez before Werth.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    We aren’t getting rid of Werth THIS year. You would be looking at over 45million tied up in 2011 between Utley, Howard and Werth and that’s only at Werth at 10mill which chances are he will get much more than that. That’s like saying we should have kept Thome here because he was proven. You build a succesful farm system for this exact moment. You pay for positions you need and fill the positions you can with prospects. You don’t pay a Werth 10-12mill when you have a Taylor waiting.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Feliz signs for 4.5 mil, a 1 year deal with the Astros.
    Randy Wolf is going to Milwaukee for 3 years at 30 mil? Is everyone nuts?
    Wolf has 10 big league seasons experience. He has started 30 or more games (that seems to be the bench mark for consistency) in 5 of those 10 years. He won 16 games back in 04, pitching for the Phils but his average win total per year is just 10 –
    This is nuts, totally nuts.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Taylor and Werth will BOTH be in this line-up before too long…..so the argument is a non-issue.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    And that’s a bad example with Thome….he was an older player …..who was basically a DH/1B…..not the defensive player that Werth is in the line-up…..and Werth is right-handed…..which in this line-up is valuable….since he’s the only legitimate RH power source we have..

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Yes you pay Jayson what he is worth, 10 million or so, cause Vic will be gone and Raul will be out of here after 2011, you pay jayson, maybe trade vic this year or next and have an outfield of Wreth, Taylor, Brown.
    I feel Jayson wants to play here, the phillies gave him his shot to be great and an everyday player, that might be worth something during negotiations, a little home town discount. I also think the Phillies will pay Howard 25 million a year if they keep winning.
    You also have Ben Fransisco as a 4th outfielder, so if you tade Vic for Doc(not saying I would) you would be able to platoon Taylor and Ben or play Ben until Taylor is ready. The thing you have in this outfield is options, but an aging Raul for the next 2 years you need someone to fill that spot.
    As I said all along with Halladay, if they can sign him to extension, I see maybe over paying with prospects to get him, but you do not sell the farm for 1 year

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Chuck, the point is we have someone to play that position just like we did with Howard. You don’t pay someone to play a position when you have someone waiting in the wings. Remember we had to pay a portion of Thome’s salary in order to get rid of him. Did you want us to keep Rowand to because he was good defensively and was a proven player? Smart teams don’t do that. Taylor will be 25 at the end of next season and would have been in AAA 1.5 yrs. You have to believe that your prospects can produce. That’s how you continue to win, you can’t sign a 32yr old player to a big deal when you have a 25yr old top prospect at the same position.

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    Why would a team with an incredible chance to return to the World Series yet again trade any one of their All-Star outfielders?

    Silliest trade proposals so far:

    1 – Werth for Bobby Jenks (oldie but a goodie)
    2 – Blanton for Sherrill
    2 – Victorino and Happ for Halladay
    3 – Werth and Drabek for Halladay
    4 – Hamels and Brown for Halladay

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Werth isn’t getting traded at all. He’s just getting replaced after 2010 with a younger and cheaper (albeit inferior) option while money is being allocated elsewhere.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Good teams also keep their ONLY PROVEN right-handed power threat…who is MAJOR protection for their “big guy”….and if you have to overpay a little to do that….then so be it….

    And it’s not like Werth is old, either….what?? 30??…Why shouldn’t the Phillies keep him?? and then they’ll have Taylor and Brown AS WELL….because….as was already explained….Ibanez in aging and will be gone after next year…if not sooner….and Vic could be moved as well…

    Right now…Jayson Werth is THE MOST IMPORTANT guy in the outfield..

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Jesus the point you are missing is that we will need 2 outfielders by the end if not middle of 2011, and good teams do pay players that have performed for them, that is how you get FA to want to play for your team. Wreth has 4-5 or more good years left so pay him for them.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    When Taylor starts hitting 50 HRs a season in the minors, like Howard did.. then you can tell me how much we need to move Werth out of the way, and give Michael Taylor his chance

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Major Protection? I think you are over valuing that term a little bit. Did Werth bat behind Howard in his MVP year? Howard has been pretty consistent with his numbers regardless of who has batted behind him. Ibanez has one more year on his contract after this season which is when Brown would step in. Werth is a FA after this season and is going to make/deserve big money which is the reason you have a farm system. To develop young talent to fill voids when players get too expensive. If we didn’t have Taylor/Brown in the minors it’s a different story. You don’t sign a 32yr old to a long term deal when you have a 25yr old to take his place. What team has had success doing that?

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Hey look everyone is agreeing except for jesus.
    I have one question, why is so importent to find another bull pen arm? Talking about cheaper alternatives, aren’t there some farm hands that can be placed in the pen. Bastardo for one, but are there not other guys that we can check out on the cheap and see what they can do. Remember Lidge had a terrible 2007, look what he did in 2008, maybe he is an every other year closer. And I am not saying he will be perfect in 10 but better then last year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Taylor has a total of 30 GAMES of experience above the AA-level

    he hit .282

    I think its a little early to be talking about trading Victorino, and bringing Taylor up to learn at the Major League level

    you don’t add by subtraction.. you don’t trade your Gold Glove CF … if you’re going ALL-IN by getting Halladay.. why would you make your everyday lineup weaker in the process

    lets use common sense from this point on

     
 
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