Baseball Winter Meetings Updates

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, December 10, 2009 02:20 PM | Comments: 402
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Originally posted at 1:09 p.m., December 7, 2009

Phillies Nation will continually update this post throughout the week as the MLB Winter Meetings heat up in Indianapolis.

Day 4:

(6:03 am): The Phillies are now back into the Halladay discussion, according to Ken Rosenthal. He says the Phillies are prepared to ship J.A. Happ, Dom Brown or Michael Taylor, and another prospect to Toronto in a deal.  They would also have to trade Joe Blanton to free up money for this to happen.  My thought: is this 100% worth it? The bounty is not as high as last season, however, giving up Blanton means two very good starters would be out, plus some prospects.  Interesting scenarios are brewing out in Indy early today.

Also, late last night, the Houston Astros swooped in and landed Brandon Lyon for a reported three years, $15 million. That’s a bit more than I figured he was worth, especially for a guy who has an up and down track record.  I though the Phils might be able to get him at two years under $10 million.

(11:30am): Jason Stark mentions the Phils are seriously considering John Smoltz as a “back-of-the-bullpen weapon.”  Smoltz’s agent apparently told the Phils that the pitcher has no problem with Citizens Bank Park; although we all know that has not always been the case.  Smoltz has bashed the Phillies home field  on numerous occasions.

(2:18pm) With the 17th overall pick, the Phillies selected Kenneth David Herndon from the Angels’ AA team. Herndon is a 24 year-old right-handed pitcher who was 5-6 with a 3.03 ERA and 11 saves in 50 appearances last season.

They also picked up Angelo Sanchez, another right handed pitcher. The 20 year-old went 5-1 with a 5.52 ERA in 12 starts with the Twins’ AAA affiliate.

On the flip side, the Phillies lost right-hander Carlos Monasterios to the New York Mets. You may remember him as one of the guys in the Bobby Abreu trade of 2006.

Day 3:

(9:38 pm): This Phillies.com headline says it all: Phillies not likely to land Halladay.  The Los Angeles Angels made an offer to the Blue Jays, and now it appears the Phillies are out of the mix.

(9:10 pm): Jayson Stark says that the Phillies have been equally aggressive on Fernando Rodney as they have been on Brandon Lyon.  Stark questions if the Phillies would pay Rodney “closer-type money.”

(8:04 pm): Roy Halladay update: Jon Heyman of SI joins the fray saying he’s heard that the Phillies are joining the Halladay discussions.  Who in your opinion has the best shot out of the Phils, Red Sox, Angels, or Yankees in the hunt for Doc?

(7:23 pm): Things have been relatively quiet regarding the Phillies over the past few hours.  However, if your scoring at home, cross Matt Lindstrom, LaTroy Hawkins, and possibly, Rich Harden, off your lists.  Lindstrom went to Houston in a trade, Hawkins signed with Milwaukee, and Harden might be on his way to the Rangers.  I’m a big fan of Harden and what he can bring, although he might be a reliever very soon because he just cant stay healthy.  I also brought up Lindstrom here on this forum a few days ago as a possible back-end guy, but Ed Wade struck while the iron was hot.

(3:53 pm): Earlier today, Todd Zolecki wrote a post saying the Phillies have just as good a chance as any other team at acquiring the services of Roy Halladay.  He polled executives around the league asking if they thought the Phillies had enough depth down on the farm to make something happen, and many said they did.  Still, does it make sense to get Halladay for what will likely be one year?  I see the Angels and Red Sox as front runners here, and the Yankees in the mix too if they are willing to give up either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain.  It pains me to say that, because I hate that they get all the “good” players out there, but such is the case.  Would anyone hate to see Happ/Brown/Gose go for possibly one season of Doc?

(2:37 pm): John Smoltz and Ron Mahay are two names that have popped back up within the past few hours.  Smoltz would fight for the fifth spot in the rotation, and/or a late-inning bullpen situation.  Personally, I believe Smoltz is better suited as a bullpen arm. He’d fit well in the Myers/Park role. He pitched well at times last year, but seemed to be a three inning guy.  In 2009, from the fourth inning on, Smoltz recorded an ERA of 5.40.  He never once reached the seventh inning in any game last season.

Mahay is a great option should Scott Eyre walk away for good.  Mahay is 37 (why does it seem like every lefty is at least 35?) and posted an ERA just north of four a season ago with Kansas City and Minnesota.  He would ably fill the gap left by Eyre and can be the #1 lefty if JC Romero is not healthy enough for a return at the start of the season.

(2:25 pm): Sorry for the delay on the news, but we’ve finally resolved our server problems.  It was Phillies overload.

By now, you know that the Phillies inked Ross Gload to a two-year deal to round out their bench.  The terms of the contract have not yet been released, but the Phillies bench certanly will look a lot different than last season.  Gload hit .261/.329/.729 last season with Florida.  This is an OK move for RAJ to make.  Gload won’t knock your socks off, but can play several positions and led the NL in pinch hits in 2009.  I would rather the Phillies saved the money on Gload and went with a younger option, but following last seasons bench debacle, it’s understandable Amaro would solidify that shortcoming right away.  More soon…

Day 2:

(4:09 pm): Looks like that three-team trade between Arizona, Detroit, and the New York Yankees will be made.  The main pieces, Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson, will go to New York and Arizona, respectively.  The Tigers get a bunch of youngsters in return, including pitcher Max Scherzer.

You may not want to hear this, but now that a few of the Yankees blue chippers are packing, does that take them out of the Roy Halladay sweepstakes completely?  Does that also bolster the Phillies chances of getting Doc?  One of the Yankees top prospects, Austin Jackson, goes to Detroit, so they lose that piece which would certainly be involved for Halladay.  This is all just a forethought, obviously, but it’s something to think about. Although nothing really stops the Yankees from making trades.

(12:59 pm):All the talk over the last 24 hours here in Phillie-land has been about Joe Blanton.  Is it wise to move him?  How much will he make next season?  Why would Brad Penny get so much in free agency? (I threw the last one in myself).  David Murphy has put his own spin on it, and in his heart of hearts does not believe Big Joe goes.  That doesn’t mean it won’t happen, however, I think it’s something the Phillies certainly need to explore.

(10:38 am): My own two cents again, but after seeing what some pitchers are reeling in on the open market money-wise, I’d almost rather go with Bastardo, Escalona, and Condrey in the pen, with Kendrick, Moyer, and Free-Agent-to-be-Named in the running for the fifth rotation spot.  That would leave one relief spot open for a guy like Lyon, who looks to be commanding at least $5 million at this point (just a guess).  Rafael Soriano getting nearly $8 million through arb?  Maybe I’m nieve, but none of the guys out there seem worth that kind of dough?  Didn’t think Wagner was worth it, or Penny either.  Guess that’s just the way the market is opening up in the early going.

(9:02 am): According to Jon Paul Morosi, several teams are in on J.J. Putz.  He lists the Cubs, White Sox, D’Backs, Rangers, Nationals, and Tigers as all having interest, but don’t be surprised if Rube is kicking the tires on the former Met.  The 32-year old made $6 million last season, but was hindered by injuries, posting a 5.22 ERA in just 29 appearances.  Prior to his ’09 failure, Putz was a revelation in Seattle, putting up 36 and 40 saves in 2006 and 2007, respectively. He’d fit in nicely with Lidge and Madson toward the back of the ‘pen, but at what cost?

(8:39 am): Paul Hagen of the Philadelphia Daily News brings back our old friend Brett Myers as a possible free agent starting pitcher.  Hagen wonders why the Phillies haven’t looked his way at all this offseason.  I’d be all for it if Myers wanted to take a one-year, incentive laden deal, however, reports have him seeking a two-year deal, and he wants a shot at closing if he’s in the bullpen.  I’m not sure you can count on him as a starter, and I’m pretty certain his shtick grew tired here, so it’s doubtful we will see Myers again in ’10.

Cross some relievers off your big board if your scoring at home. Rafael Soriano and Rafael Betancourt each accepted arbitration with their respective clubs.  Soriano will be back with Atlanta, reportedly for somewhere in the $6.5-$8 million range.  Betancourt is looking for a raise from the $3.55 million he made with Colorado in 2009. Other relief pitchers who reject arbitration: Jose Valverde, Fernando Rodney, and Brian Shouse.

Day 1:

(7:30 pm): Take Brad Penny off your list of possible Phillies starters for next year.  He has signed a one-year (get ready for this), $7.5 million contract, plus $1.5 million in incentives, to join the St. Louis Cardinals.

Wow. That seems like a hefty amount for a guy who was released mid-season by the Boston Red Sox.  He finished with a 4.88 ERA between Boston and San Francisco, winning 11 games in 173 1/3 innings.  Hopefully, like with the Billy Wagner deal, this doesn’t hinder the Phillies attempts to acquire a starter through free agency.

(6:10 pm):Justin Duchscherer is now a free agent after declining arbitration from the Oakland A’s, according to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.  Duchscherer missed all of 2009, but is a former two-time all star – once as a starter, once as a reliever.  He is at the head of the buy-low class, and reports are out there that he may go to an east coast team; the reason being his divorced wife and son live in New Jersey. Assuming he is healthy and has gotten past his personal issues, Duchscherer would look great with a Phillies “P” on his cap.

(4:45 PM): Martino tweets about the Phillies bringing back both Chad Durbin and Clay Condrey, although nothing is set just yet.  Condrey seems like a no-brainer to me, but Durbin is a different story.  He made $1.65 million last season, so that figure may rise north of $2 million.  Not sure he is worth that much.  Thoughts?

(3:00 PM): Earlier today, Andy Martino of the Inquirer posted that the Phillies are meeting with representatives from Chan Ho Park’s camp to figure out where both sides are regarding a contract.  Park as said previously he wants to start, but the Phils view him as a very good piece in the bullpen.  He made $2.5 million last year and almost assuredly will be in line for a raise.  Park was an integral part that kept a shaky bullpen in one piece throughout the 2009 season, however, $3 million or more might be too much for the Phils to think about.

(2:17 pm): This is just my own two cents, but looking at our bullpen situation, does Matt Lindstrom make sense here in Philly?  The Marlins are reportedly shopping him and he’s coming off a season in which injuries took their toll on him.  Lindstrom throws in the upper-90′s, but does struggle with some control issues.  However, he’s arb-eligible this year and next, so he would come cheap.  The question is, which prospects would it take to nab him from Florida?  Anyone for or against this idea?

(1:00 pm):The first bit of Phillies news coming out is from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse regarding Joe Blanton. Price says the Phils are considering moving Blanton because of his arbitration price-tag.  Big Joe made $5.475 million last season, and is due a raise after a stellar 2009 campaign.

Blanton would be looking at somewhere in the $7 million ballpark through arbitration, so trading him would give the Phils new flexibility.  However, it would take away one of the most solid #3′s in the National League.

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  • Posts: 0 Geoff


  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Why would the Jays want either Vic or Werth when they will be free agents soon? They want Taylor or Brown but the Phils need Taylor and Brown to replace Victorino and Werth once they get expensive.

    I love Werth. He’s my favorite non-Utley Phillie, but he’s going to get $10-12 mil on the open market and the Phils can’t afford that. Instead, they will bring up their top prospects (who happen to be corner outfielders!) and pay them $400K while using their money at other positions.

    This isn’t that hard to figure out.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    You are talking like Jayson is going to ask for 10 200 million dollars. You offer him 3 or 4 years at 10-12 and you are not over paying a 32 year old you are rewarding him. And you are saying to all the FA out there that the Phillies are a team you want to play for. You can not take core guys from a great team and just let them go because you have to pay them. And teams that are successful doing that let me see, the Yankees of the 90′s the red sox the Angels. What teams are flash in the Pans Marlins, Diamondbacks. When you have good core you pay them, fill in around them for 4-5 years and don’t give away the farm for 1 year of anybody.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    @ Jesus …. if you don’t realize how important it is to have Werth batting behind Howard you don’t know how baseball works.

    Howard would see ZERO pitches in the strikezone with Ibanez hitting behind him…

    teams will absolutely make Ibanez be the guy that beats them this year.. testing his age and injury status all season long

    someone just said it above, and I completely agree “WERTH IS THE MOST IMPORANT GUY IN THE OUTFIELD” … he can hit anywhere 1 thru 7 … and can play multiple positions, even emergency catcher

    I’m sure he could play 3rd, or 1st in a pinch too ..

    On the Open Market, he would be ranked ahead of Jason Bay .. and we’ve got him here.. You let Werth walk for Michael Taylor, and you might as well give away your hopes for an NL EAST crown too .. Werth is THAT important

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Talking about protecting Big Brown: People forget that RAUUUL was the one batting fifth for nearly half of the whole 2009 season.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I never said to trade Vic, I was making a point that you can trade him, or not re sign after 2010, which I think is arbitration year for him, I may be wrong on that. And you would have Taylor to play right and then when Raul is done after 2011 you have Brown in left. I would not do it, the point being that would be smarter then letting Jayson go at all

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    shag, look at a franchise like the Red Sox that constantly lets player go when they become too expensive and replace them with top prospects like Papelbon and Ellsbury.

    I agree that Werth is the man. He will be 31 next year and up until the last 2 years has been a major injury risk.

    Teams other than the Yankees have to bring up their prospects to replace similar players once those similar players become expensive.

    Also, you should NEVER give a contract out to “reward” someone. Contracts should be given out based on what a player will due in the future, not what they did in the past.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    The guy they’ll let go is Victorino. Werth will move to Center and Francisco or Taylor will take over Right. The Following year Ibanez is gone and Brown takes the 3rd OF spot.

  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    @ Don, why haven’t Howard’s numbers gotten so much better with Werth batting behind him then? Please explain that to me? He has been putting up almost identical numbers every year regardless of who is batting behind him. Shag, you obviously don’t understand my point if you are using those teams as examples because you are proving my point. The Angels let Texeira go, why? Because they had Morales to fill his spot. The Yanks and Sox have payrolls that allow them to spend unlike other teams. Look at the bind the Tigers are in because they paid there aging players to “reward” them. I am a huge Werth fan but if you know baseball you just don’t pay someone big money when you have someone waiting in the wings.

  • Posts: 0 George

    Hmmm, lets see now…

    We trade Happ and Taylor or Brown for Halladay.
    We don’t re-sign Werth, because Taylor can ably replace him, or we trade Victorino instead of Blanton, because Werth can play center and he’s Howard’s protection. Taylor can replace Werth in right. That means we’ll have Halladay, get to keep Blanton, and still have a mighty flexible outfield situation. I’m all for it!

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    psujoe, you may have a good point. They may let Victorino leave and keep Werth. But they can’t hold onto both of them. If Ibanez was a free agent after this season, it would be a moot point-they would re-sign Werth.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Howard’s batting average was higher this year with Werth behind him, than with Burrell behind him much of last year..

    His HRs and RBIs have been pretty consistant over the last three because of how much power he has..

    but if you honestly think Taylor is ready to play in the majors everyday, and bat 5th for a winning team .. .you’re on crack


    done arguing with people over stuff that doesn’t matter anyway…

    I just hope they go get Halladay now, if they’re going to get him.. just resolve this one way or the other

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The Phillies realized that Utley-Howard-Ibanez was a terrible plan, because they ran into stretches where they faced LOTS of Lefty pitchers

    the Phillies already had a target on their backs to begin last year.. so they were the type of team that people set their rotations to face

    Taylor MIGHT be a good player.. but Werth IS a good player..

    The Phillies have made Taylor available, but not Brown.. which tells you that the Phillies think Brown will be a better player..

    Lets trade Kendrick for Halladay right now, and just end all this nonsense.. I’ll even throw in Moyer

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Exactly…..Howard was MUCH better this year….with Werth behind him….that 25 point difference in Howard’s BA is HUGE!!!!….Couple that with the power production and RBIs and Howard was amazing this year…

    But if Jayson Werth wasn’t hitting behind him….that would have been a different story….and I seriously doubt it if we would have made it all the way to the WS….if into the postseason at all..

  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    How can anyone who knows baseball, say taylor wont hit for power. what a stupid statement. The phillies know cliff lee wants to test the free agent market. if they can get halladay for three years its the better deal. Either taylor or brown replace abanez and dont count out gose to be the next center field he is being fast tracked, and also remember if he fails as a outfielder, he is a 97 a hour left hand pitcher, but wanted to try to be a position playe first. If they move blanton they must get a good minor league infielder back, as far as payroll they just had two years of unreal revenue. and spent very little in the draft in fact i might be wrong but the phillies spent less than anyother team in the draft and international market. If they can get halladay if would make them so much better,

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I’ll tell you guys the truth, if I were Joe Blanton, and I was about the money, I would turn down arbitration and go sign with a team for 9m a year. If Wolf can get 10m and Penny can get 7.5m, then Blanton can certainly get more than he’ll win in arb with the Phils (7? 7.5?).

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Here’s how we make this happen… we send Happ and a mid-level prospect (May) to Toronto and Vic plus a mid-level prospect (Bastardo) to a third team that thinks they’re close… a team like the Reds or the Brewers… in turn, that team send Toronto another upper tier prospect and cash. Toronto gets Happ, an upper level prospect, a mid level prospect and cash. The other team gets Vic and a mid-level prospect and we get Halladay. We play Werth in CF and Francisco in RF until Taylor is ready to come up (mid season?).

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    hmmm….Smoltz….as a reliever Im fine with that….

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Smoltz is a a straight-up HoF guy when he retires…but at his age, I have to wonder what he will have left in his tank. They either sign him for relief on the cheap, or move on to somebody else.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I’d love to get Smoltz. Astros way over paid Lyons.

  • Posts: 0 Brian of CO

    WFC010 is correct, he is a HoF guy when he retires, which should be NOW. This will be a mistake. Red Sox let him go for a reason, the Cardinals are not going after him for the same reason. He gave the Cards a few decent innings, but then gave them a few HORRID ones. He is a Moyeresque style pitcher lately honestly. Overall through his career he was far better then Moyer, however Smoltz is just plain done. There is one thing that I completely disagree with. Thats trading Victorino. You want to move Werth to CF and Francisco to RF? I sure hope that doesnt happen. That really doesnt seem like a good idea at all. I love Werth in RF, but he doesnt have the range/speed for CF, Francisco has the range/speed, but he doesnt have the glove either one of them do. Why are so many people trying to dismantle this team? I understand trying to “upgrade” certain positions (3rd base, even though we may not have an upgrade) but CF is a strength on the field, why trade strengths? Why trade BOTH Vic and Happ (strengths who are happy in Philly) to land Halladay for one year, to also have to deal Blanton more than likely to clear some money? How could this be a good idea to probably lose 3 good players (Happ, Vic and Blanton) to land Halladay for a single year more than likely? Happ OR Blanton plus a prospect is a different story, but take Vic out of that equation completey, and dont deal BOTH.

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    We would have loved Smoltz more back during his prime, but now…I just don’t know how much he could do for us anymore, not to mention that he doesn’t like our ballpark very much.

  • Posts: 0 Brian of CO

    I am also surprised I dont see anyone talking about Feliz signing with the Atros for 1 yr 4.5 Mill.

  • Posts: 0 Bebin

    The Original Chuck P….so you’re saying give up Victorino, Happ, May and Bastardo…I don’t think thats a great idea….for a rent a player…unless there is a legit chance that he signs with us for 2-3 more years…if he were to sign with us for a 3 yr 45 million dollar extention lets say I wouldnt mind doing that deal…may is a pretty good prospect possible mid of the rotation guy like happ…giving up victorino hurts but the main question is will anyone bite on taking victorino and a prospect for a top prospect…and I doubt taylor will be ready to come up this year early…mid season yes but the fact that you have to play ben francisco till then kind of hurts the team

  • Posts: 0 karen

    I just really hope the players are being honest when they say that they do not listen to this stuff. I do believe that they do though and that must be difficult especially when you are happ who is mentioned in every trade ever dreamed of and blanton who got screwed at the end of the season by not staying in the rotation. Hamels killed this team and their hopes for a repeat world series parade but everyone forgets that

  • Posts: 0 karen

    Mayberry is a good player. He needs consistent playing time….not to sit on the bench for 2 weeks and then pinch hit for someone…return to the bench for a week….

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I would agree on the Mayberry issue, but if he is on the 25 man roster he would be the 5th outfielder behind Fransico, I think Ben is the first guy off the bench to rest Raul and Wreth. Hopefully with the upgraded bench Charlie will rest guys more often this year, in 08 bench guys got some more playing time cause guys were hurt, but this year with Raul coming off surgery, I would like to see him get one day a week off. Ben is not a great player, but he is defensive upgrade, and with this offense him playing once a week will not be terrible offensively. Charlie will have a much improved bench this year I hope he uses it more than just pinch hitting

  • Posts: 0 Pimples Galore

    Personally, I would rather see Hamels get traded than either Blanton or Happ. Despite his talent, I believe he has the heart of a mosquito and the work ethic of a California towel boy. He will disappoint in the future, I can almost guarantee it.

  • Posts: 0 Pimples Galore

    Best wishes to Pedro Feliz with the Astros. I hope he has a good year. He was a good guy, it is just that Placido Polanco is better.

  • Posts: 0 Pimples Galore

    FOlks, remember that Polanco is a lifetime .303 hitter who gets on base. That is a big, big difference between him and Feliz. Polanco will also hit more homers in Philly than Feliz will because he is in less injury prone. There are not that many lifetime .300 hitters in baseball with over 1500 hits.

  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Howard has put up the same numbers regardless of who hit behind him. Please stop the ‘protection’ talk. Werth batted 5th less than 90 games and last I checked Howard won MVP without Werth. I have no problem with not agreeing, but if you are going to attack people’s baseball knowledge and accuse them of drug use please have facts to back it up.

  • Posts: 0 j reed

    holy schnikes 332 comments. That’s my boy Roy. Hey it’s alright by me if RAJ wants to treat himself to “an official Red Ryder carbine-action 200-shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock, and this thing which tells time” for Christmas. Just hope if we don’t get him that he doesn’t go to NY Scut Farkases or the Boston Grover Dills.

  • Posts: 0 karen

    wow…someone else not loving and adoring hamels? at least I am not alone in that. hamels truly needs a fresh start….toronto would take him in a second with 1 or 2 others

  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Brian of CO. – Yep Francisco has the range and speed, and is not flashy with the leather so much but you forgot to mention how you can read War and Peace in the time it takes his throws home to reach home. I would disagree about Werth at CF in regards to range and speed, esp range…dude’s all limbs and tall. He just has too many Jeff Spicoli moments to be in charge of the outfield.

  • Posts: 0 Kennedy

    Dipsy that isn’t how arbitration works, Blanton can’t turn down arbitration because he isn’t a Free Agent.

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I thought he could sign with another team and we get a pick or picks. That what I meant.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    I love/hate how Roy Halladay is making us all go crazy. It’s mildly entertaining and very frustrating.

    I think Amaro has to trade for Halladay for 2 reasons.

    1. They need another solid pitcher to win a world series.

    2. I really believe as I think many do that Halladay would be a lot easier to sign to an extension than Lee. I also think that if the Phillies and Jays agree to a trade the Phillies will have some time maybe 48-72 hours to negotiate an extension. If they can’t then they won’t do the trade. I very seriously doubt Amaro will make a trade for a rental and give up as much as he will have to in order to get it all done. I am not just talking about Happ and Taylor/Brown and whoever else is in the deal but potentially Blanton and whoever else would need to be traded so they can take on Halladay’s salary.

    Honestly, would anyone have a huge issue with seeing Victorino go? Remember, Polanco will bat in the 2 hole with Victorino either in the 6th, probably 7 spot. You mean to tell me you can’t live with the production of Ben Francisco in the 7th hole if it means having Halladay on the team? I could.

  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Also don’t forget, if you are worried about destroying the farm system, we would get 2 picks for Lee if he left and another 2 for Halladay if he left. Not saying that is a good thing per say but its not like we lose these guys for nothing.

  • Posts: 0 Manny

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Victorino is one of my favorite players, but I have long thought that Francisco deserved a shot as an everyday player with us anyway, so it’s not like we would HAVE TO throw Taylor or Brown into Victorino’s spot if he left. That said, I would prefer to keep Shane around here… but who knows what RAJ say’s?

    As for Halladay…. I would love to see him with the Phillies, but I wouldn’t say that we NEED him to win another World Series either. We could use another top notch rotation guy, but nobody is saying it has to be Halladay.

  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    The Phillies were the front runners to land Halladay back in June/July but then went with Lee.

    According to MLB trade rumors:

    One baseball source tells Tom Verducci of SI.com that the Phillies have been “very aggressive” in their efforts to obtain Halladay. Apparently the Phils are trying to find the players the Blue Jays want, even if that means looking on other teams.

    Would make sense, if they can trade Blanton for any of the guys the Jays might want. But still, I would be cautious of trading Blanton away before acquiring Halladay.

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    As great as Halladay is, we have to be very careful in what we are willing to give away. There is never any guarantee of anything, like our pals the Mets know only too well.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    The one great statement in there talks about how sick the Phillies farm system is that they could trade for Lee and potentially Halladay within 6 months and still have quality blue chip prospects in the system.

    Thats so awesome. Credit to Gillick, Amaro, Arbuckle for really building this farm system and to the owners for REALIZING that its more profitable to invest in a farm system than to penny pinch with it.

  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Arbuckle was the biggest reason our farm system is what it is. Don’t be surprise if K.C is contending in a few years because of what he builds there.

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Really wish that somebody could have convinced Arbuckle to stay around with us in some capacity :(

  • Posts: 0 joedad

    Time to start another thread. I like to read this blog on my blackberry while sitting on the can at work and it takes me forever to scan to the bottom to read recent comments

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeah that guy has an army of quality scouts, he brough a few with him to KC I think, but a lot of them are still with the Phillies. I was amazed that they were the most watched team in the NL, behind only the Red Sox and Yankees in all of baseball, wow. Thats what building from within gets you. You have to build the scouting and the farm system first, which they did, then you get the luxury of adding payroll and free agents and making primetime trades when you get the cash from people filling the seats to watch the homegrown quality talent youve assembled.

    Good stuff, and if we get the Doctor in the house here, forget about it. That will be the best rotation (even if its for one year) since The Schilling/Johnson co-MVP duo in Arizona.

    They wouldnt trade for Halladay without resigning him, thats the thing though. They have to convince themselves they can afford to lock him up for 3 extra years. They will get the prospects back when Cliff Lee turns down arbitration as a type A free agent and gets mega bucks.

    Ill hate to see Lee go, because I like his style and approach. Though, Halladays arrival and secured stay would make that, juuuuuuuust a little bit easier to stomach.

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Blanton can not become a free agenct this offseason. He is still under team control. He can either agree with the Phils on a 1 year deal or go to arbitration to determine his 2010 salary.

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    If we are going to lose Lee no matter what, and we can convince a guy like Halladay to accept an extension with us, it may be something they will have to do. As great as Hamels has been, he can’t be expected to carry this team alone, so we need other guys who are at least of comparable quality to Hamels to stay competitive.

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