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]]> By: Sweet Relief | That Balls Outta Here | A Philadelphia Phillies Bloghttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-162797 Sweet Relief | That Balls Outta Here | A Philadelphia Phillies Blog Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:46:01 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-162797 [...] Look, we think somebody’s showing up for a physical in early January.  It’s just a matter of who. Danys Baez?  Mike MacDougal?  Miguel Batista?  What are you barfing about?  This is exactly the type of pitcher Amaro wants.  Roy Halladay, whether you like the signing or not, devoured a lot of money on his way into Philly, and get this, we were apparently already in the red anyway. [...] [...] Look, we think somebody’s showing up for a physical in early January.  It’s just a matter of who. Danys Baez?  Mike MacDougal?  Miguel Batista?  What are you barfing about?  This is exactly the type of pitcher Amaro wants.  Roy Halladay, whether you like the signing or not, devoured a lot of money on his way into Philly, and get this, we were apparently already in the red anyway. [...]

]]> By: I M PHILLIE FANhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161953 I M PHILLIE FAN Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:16:28 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161953 I really do miss the wonderful METS fans on this website.....for the past two years, every other post seemed to be from the great, wonderful, kind, thoughtful METS fans.....I wonder where they went????? METS fans are almost as "wonderful" as Cowboys fans. 2010 final standings will be: 1. Phillies 2. Braves 3. Marlins 4. tie between the Nationals and Mets. I really do miss the wonderful METS fans on this website…..for the past two years, every other post seemed to be from the great, wonderful, kind, thoughtful METS fans…..I wonder where they went????? METS fans are almost as “wonderful” as Cowboys fans. 2010 final standings will be: 1. Phillies 2. Braves 3. Marlins 4. tie between the Nationals and Mets.

]]> By: Just Crushedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161949 Just Crushed Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:57:05 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161949 A salary dump, a sell out of the fans and terrible treatment of a Cy Young award winner. An sad week for the organization and Phillie fans everywhere. A salary dump, a sell out of the fans and terrible treatment of a Cy Young award winner. An sad week for the organization and Phillie fans everywhere.

]]> By: wbodischttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161934 wbodisc Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:02:27 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161934 JJFritz, you're right that Halladay's signability vs. Lee's is what made this happen. But the extension years can't count as part of our haul from Seattle -- they were negotiated separately, and the Mariners certainly can't be credited for it (if anything, credit Toronto for giving the Phillies a negotiating window). And I've been saying all along that it's fantastic to have Halladay and that I have no problem with trading Lee. It's the wish-upon-a-star prospects the Phillies got that are the flaw in the twin trades. Even the Schilling trade brought four legitimate big leaguers who actually wore Phillies pinstripes (that may sound too kind in the case of Travis Lee, but he WAS a regular for a few years). Believe me, I truly hope I'm wrong about Aumont & Co., but if the goal was to replenish the farm, high-ceiling/high-risk class A guys are a funny way to do it. JJFritz, you’re right that Halladay’s signability vs. Lee’s is what made this happen. But the extension years can’t count as part of our haul from Seattle — they were negotiated separately, and the Mariners certainly can’t be credited for it (if anything, credit Toronto for giving the Phillies a negotiating window). And I’ve been saying all along that it’s fantastic to have Halladay and that I have no problem with trading Lee. It’s the wish-upon-a-star prospects the Phillies got that are the flaw in the twin trades. Even the Schilling trade brought four legitimate big leaguers who actually wore Phillies pinstripes (that may sound too kind in the case of Travis Lee, but he WAS a regular for a few years). Believe me, I truly hope I’m wrong about Aumont & Co., but if the goal was to replenish the farm, high-ceiling/high-risk class A guys are a funny way to do it.

]]> By: Philsgirlhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161918 Philsgirl Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:20:24 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161918 To I M PHILLIE FAN (and Dipsy in other posts) - heartily agreed about the business sense/short-sightedness/inflexible pocketbooks of the organization. Merchandise sales alone that "could have been" with keeping Lee this year and in having way better chance at being WFCs in 2010 *should* be a significant thought in minds of powers-that-be. What do you think Christmas sales for Phils merchandise would have been had we clinched WS for 2nd year rather than what they will be this year? Or maybe the cost of another parade and the clean-up was too worrisome for the organization. Pitching wins games. This could have been an historic year with Halladay-Lee-whoever-whoever-whoever (I remain pessimistic on Hamels in 2010); even without the greatest bullpen, great starters who can finish games make a huge difference. Whether we would have lost Lee next year is irrelevant, our core is going to change over the next couple of years anyhow and I don't care who we've got in the farm system, *this* was pretty much the year to have had the opportunity to get one more year stitched on our team banner (god, it still sucks to see Skanks banner with 2009 on it in sports stores) in this generation. To I M PHILLIE FAN (and Dipsy in other posts) – heartily agreed about the business sense/short-sightedness/inflexible pocketbooks of the organization. Merchandise sales alone that “could have been” with keeping Lee this year and in having way better chance at being WFCs in 2010 *should* be a significant thought in minds of powers-that-be. What do you think Christmas sales for Phils merchandise would have been had we clinched WS for 2nd year rather than what they will be this year? Or maybe the cost of another parade and the clean-up was too worrisome for the organization. Pitching wins games. This could have been an historic year with Halladay-Lee-whoever-whoever-whoever (I remain pessimistic on Hamels in 2010); even without the greatest bullpen, great starters who can finish games make a huge difference. Whether we would have lost Lee next year is irrelevant, our core is going to change over the next couple of years anyhow and I don’t care who we’ve got in the farm system, *this* was pretty much the year to have had the opportunity to get one more year stitched on our team banner (god, it still sucks to see Skanks banner with 2009 on it in sports stores) in this generation.

]]> By: Front Office Clowns!http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161914 Front Office Clowns! Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:36:44 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161914 Wrong! Are u serious with your mention of Moyer?? The Braves have silently put together a very strong 2010 team. The arrogance of some posters to think a trip back to the WS is automatic is crazy. You gotta get in 1st. If we keep Lee are u still saying we need another starter?? And if they were so money depleted they could've let both go after this season if they would've signed both in July. The pickups have been good, but our roration is the same as it was 2nd half 2009. Wrong! Are u serious with your mention of Moyer?? The Braves have silently put together a very strong 2010 team. The arrogance of some posters to think a trip back to the WS is automatic is crazy. You gotta get in 1st. If we keep Lee are u still saying we need another starter?? And if they were so money depleted they could’ve let both go after this season if they would’ve signed both in July. The pickups have been good, but our roration is the same as it was 2nd half 2009.

]]> By: JJFritzhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161911 JJFritz Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:14:21 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161911 wbodisc... that one year you are referring to as only being because of the extension signed after the trade was completed is off. The trade would not have been completed if the extension could not be reached. That was an integral part of the whole process -- dealing Lee to replenish the prospects lost, AND the Halladay's extension. So far, things are going well for this off-season. 3B Polanco, SP Halladay, Bench -- Schneider, Gload, Castro(maybe). But, we still need another SP if Moyer isn't ready, and we still need to fill the bullpen out with respectable, reliable pitchers. More emphasis on reliable. We need someone for middle relief, and preferably someone who can close in order to relieve the stress on Lidge and Madson at the back end of the pen. After that is all done, then we will see just how good of an off-season it's been. Good so far; let's keep it up! wbodisc… that one year you are referring to as only being because of the extension signed after the trade was completed is off. The trade would not have been completed if the extension could not be reached. That was an integral part of the whole process — dealing Lee to replenish the prospects lost, AND the Halladay’s extension. So far, things are going well for this off-season. 3B Polanco, SP Halladay, Bench — Schneider, Gload, Castro(maybe). But, we still need another SP if Moyer isn’t ready, and we still need to fill the bullpen out with respectable, reliable pitchers. More emphasis on reliable. We need someone for middle relief, and preferably someone who can close in order to relieve the stress on Lidge and Madson at the back end of the pen. After that is all done, then we will see just how good of an off-season it’s been. Good so far; let’s keep it up!

]]> By: I M PHILLIE FANhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161904 I M PHILLIE FAN Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:17:22 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161904 From a 65 year Phillies fan I would like to wish all of the Phillies players, staff, etc. a very Merry Christmas.....with the exception of Ruben and Mr. Montgomery... 70 sellouts out of 82 dates and we are in the Red.....having been a business man most of my life, i find this to be highly unlikely,,,,unless the owners are taking their payday in the first five years instead of 20 years, as they should. The added merchandise sales that would have been generated with keeping Lee would have paid the bill in one week. The Eagles have Merchandise stores off campus, the Phillies would make out better than the Eagles, if they would have kept Lee. As it is, with 70 sellouts, playoff, and WS, they already have a license to print money. We pay to go to the games, busy merchandise and they are apparently writting checks to themselves. Ruben claims it was all about a Baseball move. A better baseball move might have been to go to the WS for the third time.....1942-43-44 was the last time a National League team went three straight years....65 years ago,,,,wow Ruben, maybe we could have been the first to do it in 65 years. So if maybe we really did need to get rid of Cliff, why couldn't we get a relief pitcher and two prospects. It seems to me that we only have one pitcher that might go the 9 innings, so our most pressing need is still out there.....Tell me that Cliff Lee would not have been worth some good reliefers. From a 65 year Phillies fan I would like to wish all of the Phillies players, staff, etc. a very Merry Christmas…..with the exception of Ruben and Mr. Montgomery…
70 sellouts out of 82 dates and we are in the Red…..having been a business man most of my life, i find this to be highly unlikely,,,,unless the owners are taking their payday in the first five years instead of 20 years, as they should. The added merchandise sales that would have been generated with keeping Lee would have paid the bill in one week. The Eagles have Merchandise stores off campus, the Phillies would make out better than the Eagles, if they would have kept Lee. As it is, with 70 sellouts, playoff, and WS, they already have a license to print money. We pay to go to the games, busy merchandise and they are apparently writting checks to themselves. Ruben claims it was all about a Baseball move. A better baseball move might have been to go to the WS for the third time…..1942-43-44 was the last time a National League team went three straight years….65 years ago,,,,wow Ruben, maybe we could have been the first to do it in 65 years. So if maybe we really did need to get rid of Cliff, why couldn’t we get a relief pitcher and two prospects. It seems to me that we only have one pitcher that might go the 9 innings, so our most pressing need is still out there…..Tell me that Cliff Lee would not have been worth some good reliefers.

]]> By: Front Office Clowns!http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161902 Front Office Clowns! Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:56:13 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161902 For some of you to tell us "enough"or "negadel" is very distrubing to say the least. When it all finally went down I got so mad they kicked me off of Philly.com. Cowards. Going back to just before the July trade deadline..... The series of decisions that ensued by the Front Office of the Phillies will go down as the worst baseball decisions in MLB history.-You get Lee(great move) and then you pass on Doc because the Jays wanted their "untouchable" props. Then you fail to acquire BP help. Which costs you your 2 most conts. starters in the playoffs. Then you blindly hope Cole returns to form even though he admitted to not being ready for the season and pitched badly most of the year. You get back to the WS, but not before you chall. the Yankees to a dual at dusk. Then you start Pedro 2x and you loose to the Yanks going away. Phils didn't even show up for Game 6. So you then you get Doc (for those previously untouchables) and then you trade Lee for broken down scraps that you could've gotten from Fred Sanford's back yard.Then you try to mislead the fans with the "baseball decision" bs.-The Yankees lost 4 million last year winning their title.But somehow, someway they picked up a great CF from the Tigers.-The Phils had a 3peat gifted wrap. Get Lee/Doc in July. Beat Spanky's Yanks last season and be by far the favs in 2010. I say we win this yr too with both. Then let one walk after the season and get the draft choices. Then sit back, grap a cold one and watch the Yankees and Boston Redsox fight to the death over him. It was so simple it's almost hard to believe. No MLB team will ever get the chance that the Phils blew ever again. And Werth is gone next yr too. The fun times won't be lasting much longer... For some of you to tell us “enough”or “negadel” is very distrubing to say the least. When it all finally went down I got so mad they kicked me off of Philly.com. Cowards. Going back to just before the July trade deadline….. The series of decisions that ensued by the Front Office of the Phillies will go down as the worst baseball decisions in MLB history.

-You get Lee(great move) and then you pass on Doc because the Jays wanted their “untouchable” props. Then you fail to acquire BP help. Which costs you your 2 most conts. starters in the playoffs. Then you blindly hope Cole returns to form even though he admitted to not being ready for the season and pitched badly most of the year. You get back to the WS, but not before you chall. the Yankees to a dual at dusk. Then you start Pedro 2x and you loose to the Yanks going away. Phils didn’t even show up for Game 6. So you then you get Doc (for those previously untouchables) and then you trade Lee for broken down scraps that you could’ve gotten from Fred Sanford’s back yard.Then you try to mislead the fans with the “baseball decision” bs.

-The Yankees lost 4 million last year winning their title.But somehow, someway they picked up a great CF from the Tigers.

-The Phils had a 3peat gifted wrap. Get Lee/Doc in July. Beat Spanky’s Yanks last season and be by far the favs in 2010. I say we win this yr too with both. Then let one walk after the season and get the draft choices. Then sit back, grap a cold one and watch the Yankees and Boston Redsox fight to the death over him. It was so simple it’s almost hard to believe. No MLB team will ever get the chance that the Phils blew ever again. And Werth is gone next yr too. The fun times won’t be lasting much longer…

]]> By: wbodischttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161898 wbodisc Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:34:41 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161898 I will say this also: Halladay is thrilled to be here. Lee is furious that he's gone. How great is it to be a fan of a destination franchise? I remember the days of the Bobby Bonillas and David Cones of the world using the Phillies to get more money from New York. I will say this also: Halladay is thrilled to be here. Lee is furious that he’s gone. How great is it to be a fan of a destination franchise? I remember the days of the Bobby Bonillas and David Cones of the world using the Phillies to get more money from New York.

]]> By: wbodischttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161888 wbodisc Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:16:14 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161888 Thanks Ben... as you can tell, I'm having a hard time letting Lee -- and the "what ifs" -- go. But yours is a sensible perspective. Thanks Ben… as you can tell, I’m having a hard time letting Lee — and the “what ifs” — go. But yours is a sensible perspective.

]]> By: Benhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161887 Ben Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:13:09 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161887 wbodisc, but you can't view them totally in isolation, b/c without one the other doesn't happen. lee is not moved if halladay doesn't come and halladay isn't coming if lee isn't moved. its very easy to look at them as COMPLETELY isolated deals, but they aren't. they happened at the same time b/c they had to happen at the same time. wbodisc, but you can’t view them totally in isolation, b/c without one the other doesn’t happen. lee is not moved if halladay doesn’t come and halladay isn’t coming if lee isn’t moved. its very easy to look at them as COMPLETELY isolated deals, but they aren’t. they happened at the same time b/c they had to happen at the same time.

]]> By: Benhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161885 Ben Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:10:39 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161885 what i meant by the "between carrasco and drabek" comment was he could have gotten a AA pitcher a probably little better than free falling carrasco (think carrasco beginning of the year not mid year), but no way he could have gotten a drabek type prospect. what i meant by the “between carrasco and drabek” comment was he could have gotten a AA pitcher a probably little better than free falling carrasco (think carrasco beginning of the year not mid year), but no way he could have gotten a drabek type prospect.

]]> By: wbodischttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161884 wbodisc Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:10:28 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161884 Sorry John, Halladay and Lee are separate trades -- none of the Seattle guys went to Toronto. And all but one of the years of Halladay are the result of an extension signed after the trade was completed. But I get your point -- Lee had to go to get Halladay. Which is fine. Halladay's better. But the Lee part of the trade is a crapshoot at best. Sorry John, Halladay and Lee are separate trades — none of the Seattle guys went to Toronto. And all but one of the years of Halladay are the result of an extension signed after the trade was completed. But I get your point — Lee had to go to get Halladay. Which is fine. Halladay’s better. But the Lee part of the trade is a crapshoot at best.

]]> By: Benhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161883 Ben Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:07:38 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161883 wbodisc, completely agree with that. my initial reaction was just like yours, but after hearing everything, and really thinking about it, at the end of the day, we probably should have gotten only slightly better prospects for lee. but then you have to find someone to give them and it has to be a team we don't mind shipping lee to.so i'm not up in arms over getting 3 low but good prospects over something like 2 low and one AA prospect. thats really all i think lee could have commanded. he's not landing an impact MLB bullpen arm or any stud AAA or probably AA player. he'd land good low end prospects (what we got) or decent AA prospects (probably something between carrasco and drabek).at the end of the day, this deal allowed halladay to come to philly. thats how i'm viewing it, and thats why i'm happy about it. wbodisc, completely agree with that. my initial reaction was just like yours, but after hearing everything, and really thinking about it, at the end of the day, we probably should have gotten only slightly better prospects for lee. but then you have to find someone to give them and it has to be a team we don’t mind shipping lee to.

so i’m not up in arms over getting 3 low but good prospects over something like 2 low and one AA prospect. thats really all i think lee could have commanded. he’s not landing an impact MLB bullpen arm or any stud AAA or probably AA player. he’d land good low end prospects (what we got) or decent AA prospects (probably something between carrasco and drabek).

at the end of the day, this deal allowed halladay to come to philly. thats how i’m viewing it, and thats why i’m happy about it.

]]> By: Chuckhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161881 Chuck Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:55:19 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161881 As I said before....let's just wait and see what these three prospects do before we start calling this a bad trade....and we won't fully realize that for a few years..I'd be willing to bet that AT LEAST one of them will be in a Phillies uniform (not Reading either) by 2011 sometime....contributing...and making Cliff Lee an afterthought...And even if they're not....we're still a BETTER TEAM today than we were the day World Series ended.. As I said before….let’s just wait and see what these three prospects do before we start calling this a bad trade….and we won’t fully realize that for a few years..

I’d be willing to bet that AT LEAST one of them will be in a Phillies uniform (not Reading either) by 2011 sometime….contributing…and making Cliff Lee an afterthought…

And even if they’re not….we’re still a BETTER TEAM today than we were the day World Series ended..

]]> By: Johnhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161880 John Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:52:47 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161880 wbodisc, that's wrong. It's Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez AND 4 YEARS OF ROY HOLLADAY vs 2 picks and 1 year of Cliff Lee. wbodisc, that’s wrong. It’s Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez AND 4 YEARS OF ROY HOLLADAY vs 2 picks and 1 year of Cliff Lee.

]]> By: wbodischttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161879 wbodisc Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:51:16 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161879 Fair points all around, Ben. But didn't Toronto pretty much HAVE to move Halladay after five months of non-stop rumors? And didn't they have even less leverage because it was pretty widely known that Doc wanted to come here?Cleveland's return on Lee has been questioned, but at least Carrasco, Donald, and Marson -- who were highly touted like Aumont/Gillies themselves once upon a time, I might add -- were at the AAA level. Prospects below AA are pretty much a lottery ticket. Plus, Cleveland was rebuilding. The Phillies are a two-time defending NL champ.Maybe there wasn't more to be had for Lee. But after the post-season he had last year, and considering his reasonable salary for '10, I'd be really shocked if there wasn't. Fair points all around, Ben. But didn’t Toronto pretty much HAVE to move Halladay after five months of non-stop rumors? And didn’t they have even less leverage because it was pretty widely known that Doc wanted to come here?

Cleveland’s return on Lee has been questioned, but at least Carrasco, Donald, and Marson — who were highly touted like Aumont/Gillies themselves once upon a time, I might add — were at the AAA level. Prospects below AA are pretty much a lottery ticket. Plus, Cleveland was rebuilding. The Phillies are a two-time defending NL champ.

Maybe there wasn’t more to be had for Lee. But after the post-season he had last year, and considering his reasonable salary for ’10, I’d be really shocked if there wasn’t.

]]> By: Benhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/david-montgomery-were-already-in-the-red/comment-page-2/#comment-161878 Ben Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:38:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10610#comment-161878 wbodisc, i see what you are saying, and i guess we can just speculate. i agree with don m though, look at the two most recent lee deals. one for 1.5 years was for 4 marginal prospects. one for 1 year was for 3 slightly better but younger (overall) prospects.to say we could have shopped him and got a vastly greater return is a tough sell given history. who's to say the market doesn't realize their position, and only offer us scraps knowing we HAVE to move him. also, we didn't trade him to a perennial contendor, which are the teams that would obviously offer the most for a one year rental. we trade him to the yanks/red sox/angels, we have a much greater chance of seeing him in the series (if we get there) than if we trade him to seattle. if we trade him in the NL we see him during the year AND possibly in the playoffs.i haven't seen a legitimate idea for where he could go that would have worked better for us. wbodisc, i see what you are saying, and i guess we can just speculate. i agree with don m though, look at the two most recent lee deals. one for 1.5 years was for 4 marginal prospects. one for 1 year was for 3 slightly better but younger (overall) prospects.

to say we could have shopped him and got a vastly greater return is a tough sell given history. who’s to say the market doesn’t realize their position, and only offer us scraps knowing we HAVE to move him. also, we didn’t trade him to a perennial contendor, which are the teams that would obviously offer the most for a one year rental. we trade him to the yanks/red sox/angels, we have a much greater chance of seeing him in the series (if we get there) than if we trade him to seattle. if we trade him in the NL we see him during the year AND possibly in the playoffs.

i haven’t seen a legitimate idea for where he could go that would have worked better for us.

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