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Failed Physical Won’t Delay Trade

Posted by Corey Seidman, Wed, December 16, 2009 01:05 PM | Comments: 173
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It looks like this overly complicated series of events has just taken another turn.

According to Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun, someone involved in the trade has failed their physical. This will further delay any announcements. Everything was supposed to be sorted out by Wednesday, but it is not looking like that will be the case.

This is just my hunch, but given the fact that a Toronto reporter broke the story of the failed physical and nobody else seemed to have it, I’m assuming that the failed physical cameĀ  from either Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, Travis D’Arnaud, or Brett Wallace, the Athletics’ top prospect who is likely headed to Toronto in exchange for Taylor.

It could have been anyone, but that’s my hypothesis.

Of the nine players involved in the Halladay/Lee deals, Drabek and Aumont are the most likely to have failed a physical. Drabek had Tommy John surgery in 2007 and was shut down toward the end of the year as a precaution. Aumont dealt with elbow problems in 2008 and was shut down.

The good news is that Roy Halladay is definitely a Phillie. His extension is sealed and he’s passed his physical. The longer this thing plays out, the more chance there is that Cliff Lee could stay put. Or am I just being too optimistic?

UPDATE: Larry Stone of the Seattle Times is reporting that none of the Seattle players involved (Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies, and Juan Ramirez) appeared to have failed their physicals.

In addition, disregard the “definitely” written above in regard to Roy Halladay being a Phillie. ESPN has changed their headline fromĀ  “Halladay agrees to extension with Phils” to “Phillies GM hopes to finish Halladay deal soon.” I still remain convinced that Halladay will end up with the Phils when this is all sorted out.

The Blue Jays cannot afford to keep him and a failed physical does not guarantee the collapse of a trade. Freddy Garcia was once traded to the Phillies despite failing a physical.

Scott Lauber is reporting that Michael Taylor suffered a mild elbow strain and missed ten days during the Mexican Fall League this October, in which he hit .308.

So much confusion. Stick around, you’ll know when we know.

BREAKING NEWS: Two tweets may have cleared this madness up. Todd Zolecki just delivered the message that a “failed physical won’t kill this deal. An announcement is still expected today.”

In addition, Jeff Blair of the Toronto Globe tweets that, “Well-placed baseball source on failed physical reports involving a player coming to the Jays? ‘Totally false rumour.’”

Finally, Jim Salisbury of CSN just sent the following message via Twitter, “Deal done!!!! 5 p.m. press conference…. who brings the hoagies???”

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  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Probably just being too optimistic, but I have to say the first thing I thought about when reading the report was that fate was keeping Cliff Lee in Philly.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Cliff Lee could stay put… for another week or two

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    gotta be Drabek or Aumont…

     
  • Posts: 0 just saying

    beautiful! shut the trade down, start over, ship fat joe to japan, keep lee, win world series, lather, rinse, repeat. It’s not too late!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES

    This is a failed physical by a SEATTLE player. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if it were a Blue Jay, then Halladay would not be a Phillie because Toronto could not make the trade. My cynical side says that a Seattle player (Aumont – elbow) “failed” his physical. This allows Ruben to back out of the Mariners trade. I hope thats it.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    Please God…all I want for Christmas is Cliff Lee

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    guys…

    CLIFF LEE IS BEING TRADED BECAUSE THEY CAN’T AFFORD HIM

    they’ll just substitute another player and still trade him

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    They can afford him, this isn’t about cash, it’s about restocking the farm.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Latest news from Shi Davidi of The Canadian Press says Phillippe Aumont passed.

    Gotta think it’s Drabek, (TJ Surgery concerns?). If it’s Drabek, this deal is going to go into a tailspin. Still holding out hope it’s a Mariner though…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    NO! If Aumont failed the trade is off and should stay off. The Mariners don’t have anyone they would substitute.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    If it’s Drabek…then we may actually HAVE to make it a real 3 way trade.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Also, since the report was broken by a Toronto reporter, you’ve gotta think this is a prospect from Philly, right?

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    I’d assume it’s a Blue Jay or a Philly.

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    i said all along that i LOVED this trade

    everyone else was flipping out because they didnt want precious Drabek to go

    well…if he failed… then….

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    The trade for Halladay is fine, sucks to lose Drabek, but I’d rather have Doc. But of course this could really jack this all up

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    if Drabek failed…

    there goes leverage in any trade…he was the guy every team wanted (after doing not much by the way)

    and now he failed a freakin physical….

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    The trade for Halladay can’t be fine if Drabek failed unless Toronto takes him anyway…what are you talking about?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    I’m talking in general, as a trade. Not specifically about any injuries since it’s speculative at this point

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    Halladay signed an extension

    but it all will be removed and scrapped

     
  • Posts: 0 Scott

    How can you say “The good news is that Roy Halladay is definitely a Phillie” unless you know that all prospects have passed their physicals?

     
  • Posts: 0 Filly

    KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE..KEE LEE..KEEP LEE.. KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE..
    Yo, Rubin….You are the best because you always find a way….we’ll build you a statue, but KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE..KEEP LEE

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    Because he’s already passed his physical and signed an extension. Ruben Amaro was quoted as saying he hopes to make an announcement Thursday.

    Regardless of the outcome of the failed physical, Halladay will be a Phillie. If Drabek failed his physical, the trade can still go through (see Freddy Garcia to the Phillies a few years ago.)

     
  • Posts: 0 PI

    Agreed to an extension – not signed.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Corey, but the trade can be stopped also, correct? I just don’t understand how, if a Phillie failed and the Jays want to stop the deal, why the Jays wouldn’t be permitted to. Were the trades NOT conditioned on physicals a la Gillick?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    ESPN just changed their headline from “Halladay agrees to extension with Phils” to “Phillies GM hopes to finish Halladay deal soon”

    That’s not good news. Disregard the “definitely.”

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Quite simply, its seems to me that if Drabek failed, then Toronto has the option.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    Dipsy, if the Jays want to back out due to a failed physical they can.

    I just do not see them doing so, because they won’t get anything better than this package from anybody else and it makes no sense to hold onto Halladay. I really see no possible way that the Phillies still dont end up with Halladay after all is said and done, even if it means the Jays disregard a minor elbow injury from Drabek or Taylor.

    Scott Lauber reports that Taylor missed 10 days in the Mexican Fall League with a mild elbow strain, but hit .308, proving that it didn’t effect his performance much.

     
  • Posts: 0 Filly

    Theives, Robbers, Pirates and more…..what ever it takes, Rubin….if the option is there, KEEP CLIFF LEE.

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    if you failed a physical…

    this isn’t a minor injury

     
  • Posts: 0 william

    If drabek failed does that mean th phillies would have to sub in Happ?

     
  • Posts: 0 Filly

    It’s only 2 million….just raise the parking fees for spring training….c’mon…Monte and the boys are good for it….KEEP CLIFF LEE !

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    if the jays want them to, then yes.

     
  • Posts: 0 william

    And if so that is a good enough reason to stop the Lee trade

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    But a bigger question is, if its a Mariner that failed, would Ruben back out of that deal completely?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 william

    Owners need to man up and sign Lee to an extension especially after his agent came out and said they were not opposed to negotiations

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    I doubt it…

    because they can’t get rid of Blanton that eaasily…they aren’t gonna find a team to give up decent prospects and pick up his salary….

    they’ll take another high prospect from the M’s

    FACE IT!!!

    LEE.HALLADAY.HAMELS FELL APART WHEN THEY SIGNED MOYER FOR TWO YEARS

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Let me say further, that if its Drabek’s elbow, who was shut down early this season by the Phils, and thje centerpiece of the deal, and the Jays take him anyway and he hurts that elbow again, then you will see another fired Blue Jays GM.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    Joe – not true. It could very well be a minor injury. It’s actually a minor injury more often than not, when someone fails a physical.

    Drabek, Taylor, or D’Arnaud didn’t suddenly tear an ACL without the Phillies being alerted.

    Andy Martino is reporting that this won’t be a deal-breaker. Very good news.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Guys don’t get crazy. It’s a Phillie that failed. Lee is still going to Seattle.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I don’t want an injured player. At all.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    i’m all for this trade

    give me Doc until 2014

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Well if Martino knows so much can he tells us who the player is?????

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Seattle Times reporter said that its NOT a Mariners prospect that failed their physical

    Maybe its D’Arnaud.. he had a down season last year, maybe he’s got something nagging that was never diagnosed??

     
  • Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan

    Serves them right for being cheap asses…..

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    NO TRADE, please?

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    hey..
    then it’s gotta be freakin Drabek

    AND IF HE FAILED A PHYSICAL… GOOD RIDDANCE

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Ever wonder why the bigger-named “experts” are the ones to always break the big stories

    and the Andy Martino’s of the world give you just bits and pieces…

    the “smaller guys” are told by the teams and the sources that things are off the record.. or that they need to wait until such and such time to give details.

    The bigger guys like Heyman, Rosenthal, etc.. they just come right out and tell you everything, because the teams need these guys to talk about them, and get the PR they generate


    Martino probably knows MORE than anyone else right now, but he won’t give the details.. you’ll hear the story from someone else first, because Martino doesn’t want to fall from good graces with the Phillies Front Office

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Believe or not one source is saying Wallace which is why the deal isn’t in danger of collapsing.

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    Completely correct, Don M. Team-affiliated writers gain much less from breaking stories than getting them right once all info is made public.

    This is why Martino, Murphy, Zolecki have reported much less on Halladay/Lee trades over the last few days than every national writer.

     
  • Posts: 0 william

    All I know is if they have to sub Happ and RAJ still trades Lee he should be fired

     
 
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