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Halladay Blockbuster Complete?

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, December 14, 2009 03:31 PM | Comments: 215
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According to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com, the Phillies could be involved in a three-team trade revolving around Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee. ESPN.com is reporting that Seattle is the third team in the scenario, which would be the new home for Lee.  Halladay would then be shipped here, with the assumption that prospects would be given to Toronto.

Reports have Halladay here in Philly for a physical, with his agent in town to talk about a possible contract extension.  This is huge news, and although it would look like the Phillies would indeed lose Lee to gain Halladay, would it mean them keeping Happ, and possibly Blanton?

If that’s the case, I have to think the Phillies are even more interested.  They clearly liked Halladay better at the trade deadline a year ago, but “settled” for Lee.  And although Lee became a hero in this town for the stretch-run he gave the team, Halladay has the tools to be just as good, if not better.  I think keeping Happ would be a plus.  He’s under control for several more years and looks to be a solid #3.

UPDATE (3:37 pm): Jon Heyman tweets that Lee was not willing to give Phils a discount.  Todd Zolecki claims this could be very close to being done.

UPDATE (3:55 pm): Heyman now saying deal is done, via SI.com.

UPDATE (Tuesday, 2:23 PM): Looks like the deal is complete. It’s two separate trades. Cliff Lee goes to Seattle. The Phillies get Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies and Juan Ramirez for Lee.  For Halladay, the Phillies trade Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and Travis D’Arnaud to Toronto. The Phillies also get $6 million.

According to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com, the Phillies and Halladay have agreed to an extension. The contract is an average of about $20 million per year, taking Halladay through 2013.

Michael Taylor will likely be traded to Oakland for Brett Wallace, according to ESPN’s Buster Olney.

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  • Posts: 0 Jason

    so the phillies would straight up trade Lee for Halladay?

     
  • Posts: 0 Trent out in CO

    THIS IS HUGE!!!! i dont wanna see lee go, but if we can keep happ and blanton….that changes everything…..LET THA HALLADAY SEASON BEGIN!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Section118

    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
    absolutely not….
    Cliff Lee has been everything+ we had hoped from Halladay. He excelled in the playoffs, greater than we could have imagined. So we trade him for someone older, someone with no playoff track record?? NO NO NO NO NO
    I don’t think Halladay will be any easier than Lee to lock up.
    We’re insane.

     
  • Posts: 0 pissedoffmetsfan

    hey..at least you guys are getting some good good pitcher…ask what the mets are doing..offering minor league contracts to kelvim escobar

     
  • Posts: 0 Jason

    Why risk it? We alraedy know that Cliff Lee can handle Citizens bank park, what more can you ask for?

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    don’t trade Lee :(

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Ohhh man, this is like Christmas early. The nervous anticipation…

    Oh baby, the Doctor is coming to town!!!! I just hope they make a good, sound deal and that they dont give up waaaaaay too much like the Flyers did for Lindros…

     
  • Posts: 0 Evan

    This move only makes sense to me if Lee wants to test free agency and refuses to sign an extension. If RAJ is eager to sign an ace to a multi-year deal, they might be willing to trade Lee in order to go after Halladay, who seems to want to play in Philly.

    Even if this is the case, its worth the hit to give up whatever prospects it takes to get Halladay and keep Lee for the year before letting him go. When Lee becomes a free agent that’s 2 compensatory first round draft picks you get, which will help restock the farm if you have to give up 3-4 prospects with one Type A guy going to Toronto for Halladay. Having Lee, Haladay, and Hamels would almost guarenteed a trip to the WS if they stay healthy.

    Think big Ruben!

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    This tells me only one thing: that there is NO CHANCE that Cliff Lee will sign an extension with us…

     
  • Posts: 0 Stuart

    Evan. Thats what I have been saying along. We are geared up to win now. So lets go for it NOW.

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    From what I have read, Lee wants his fair value, while Halladay wants to win now and take less.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeah, its only one first round pick, and one sandwich round pick…its still two quality draft picks though…lets just see what happens, and enjoy the excitement as it unfolds.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    I hope the Phils don’t have to trade Cliff Lee AND prospects for Halladay.

    Lee reportedly told the Phils that there would be “no discount” whereas Halladay is willing to take a slight discount to come to the Phils.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    so Cliff Lee will be on the Yankees in 2011. blah.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Latest rumor is Lee to Seattle for prospects, Phils flip those prospects to Toronto plus Michael Taylor, and we get Halladay long term.

    In which case, this is perfect. Keep Brown, Keep Happ, Keep Drabek. Keep Kentucky Joe, and get Halladay.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Heyman reporting that it’s a 3 way deal with Lee going to the Mariners.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    are people really suggesting that Lee is a better fit for this team than Roy Halladay?????

    I will drive Cliff Lee to the airport, if he wants me to

    Roy Halladay is PERFECT for this team

    I think we’ll have to give “something” up for Halladay.. hopefully its just Michael Taylor

     
  • Posts: 0 Adam

    Love this move if, as most are saying, Lee was going to go FA. We don’t lose anything, and gain a pitcher who’s as good (if not better) than Cliff…plus he’ll have a contract in hand. It’s not a world shattering move, but a plus move at least.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesus

    Although I hate the idea of losing Lee, I can see the benefit in flipping the prospects we could get from Lee to get Halladay and then locking up Halladay. Definitely an aggressive move by RAJ. If we can keep our farm pretty much intact and still get Halladay and keep JA and Blanton, it’s pretty impressive.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    If Halladay came here and didn’t do great, he would be run out of town, on the other hand if we only gave up Lee and kept Blanton and Happ our rotation would be in much better shape. Either way, we need head case Hamels to show some signs of his old self. Developing a 3rd pitch would be nice too

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    I’m not sure how I feel about this. Is upgrading from Lee to Halladay worth Michael Taylor? If Lee wasn’t going to take a discount and Halladay is, then maybe it’s worth it, but it’s a steep price to pay.

     
  • Posts: 0 JD

    Bye Cliff see you pitching for the Stankees soon. Welcome to Philly ROY WHOOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Heyman now on WFAN confirming that Halladay is negotiating with the Phils for an extension. He confirms the Mariners are the 3rd team but says he does not know if Lee is in the deal.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    This whole thing just scares me. Until I hear that Halladay will sign a reasonably priced extension, and the Phils won’t have to give up their elite prospects, and won’t have to trade Blanton to open up salary space, I’m not going to be pleased in the least. If this costs the Phils $20 million per year for five years, two top prospects, and the replacement of Blanton with some low cost grade “D” starter, it’s a HUGE mistake. The money alone could cause them to lose out later on their own free agents, such as Werth, Hamels, and Howard. Losing too many prospects would mean they’d have no one left to replace those free agents.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Halladay’s debatably the best pitcher on any team, as much as we love Lee Halladay has always been the prize and is worthy of a long-term deal.

    (excluding the Lee part) This is literally the Schilling deal except this time we’re not the team loosing one of the best players in the game.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jake

    Man, I don’t know how I feel about this. If Ruben knew that Lee was going to demand big money at the end of this season, I suppose the trade/long term signing of Halladay is well worth it. But right now, its just hard to swallow. I don’t want to have to hate Lee when he’s wearing blue pin stripes…

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    LEE ISN’T 100% THE GUY BEING MOVED

     
  • Posts: 0 Phan in Atl

    Zolecki just said on ESPN that Toronto might be kicking in some cash to cover Doc’s salary which would help Phils sign bullpen help (Rodney). I love this deal if our big 3 prospects aren’t included, but I doubt if this will be the case.

     
  • Posts: 0 Paul

    As long as they ink Halladay to a long term deal at a good price, then I think this is a great deal. Kind of a bummer to lose Taylor though…

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Yeah this is all great, and believe me, I will never forget Cliff Lee and what he meant to us last year but I still want to know for sure who we are giving up prospect wise. We can speculate who it is and who it isn’t but I want to know for sure. Any chance we go into next year with a rotation of Hamels, Halladay, Blanton, Happ and ?

    Still need that elusive 5th guy .

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    I’m bummed to give up Taylor but I would be devastated to give up Dom Brown. Let’s hope it’s Happ, Gose and others. Hey, we can hope, can’t we?!!?

     
  • Posts: 0 Evan

    Joe,

    How do you move less than 100% of Lee? I think you meant its not certain who is being moved.

    I can’t see this trade happening if either Lee or Blanton aren’t the ones going to Seattle. Want to know nowwwwwwww

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    HOLY CRAP THIS IS TOO MUCH INFO TO GRASP!!

    I guess it all depends on who are we giving up and what type of extension ($$ and years) we can get Halladay to sing….

    THIS IS SCARY.

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    I think everyone owes an apology to Ken Rosenthal, LOL.

    When all is said and done, the Phils trade Carrasco, Marson, Donald, Knapp and Taylor for 4 years of Halladay and 1/2 year of Lee. Not too shabby.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    Cliff Lee to Seattle, Michael Taylor to Toronto, and Halladay comes to Philly (with extension in place). Great trade.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    MLBTR is saying that Taylor is in the deal along with others. I hope all of those “others” are coming from the Mariners.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Jeff Dowder, the Phils traded for half a year of Lee and 1 year of Halladay. Those extra years the Phils have to pay free agent prices for.

     
  • Posts: 0 SDO

    Hey, this site is alive again!

     
  • Posts: 0 SDO

    I agree, if this deal with Seattle goes through, then the Mariners have pulled a heist:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/1778/mariners-pulling-off-a-heist

     
  • Posts: 0 william

    Good trade all around this team is basiclly set for the next three years Taylor would have nowhere to play and I am not as in love with Drabeck as most people are still concerned about the TJ surgery. The prospects we got from the Mariners along with what we have on the farm in addition to whatever draft picks we have for the next 2-3 years should leave us with a decent system in 3 years just about the time they will be needed.

     
  • Posts: 0 NateB

    Yeah I liked Lee a lot too. He’s a true ace and a great guy too, will be missed in Philly. It all comes down to one year of Lee vs. four or five years of Halladay. Can you imagine 2011-2014 without either of them? I keep hearing that Halladay is everything that is advertised and more. I believe that having Roy here will help Cole to become stronger and to feel like the lefty ace of the staff. GREAT MOVE!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 EL GRINGO GORDO

    Halladay will be a beast in the National League. He is the BEST pitcher in baseball and will be a stud like a Steve Carlton. He will put up eye-popping numbers and have a street named after him when he goes into the Hall of Fame.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    The thing that’s being overlooked here is A) We get Halladay who’s better and more consistent than Lee B) We’ve re-signed Halladay for what looks to be much less than Lee will sign for in free agency and C) as much as it hurts to loose Drabek who’s a guy we’ve grown to love the talent of, Aumont is considered to be as good if not better a pitching prospect.

    It’s easy to think Seattle are winners here but Felix is their priority hitting free agency a year later and Lee is supposedly asking for Sabathia money so he’s gone next September.

    A rotation of Halladay-Lee-Hamels was never going to happen otherwise it’s what we’d be seeing and oddly Ken Rostenthal was the one who said it would have cost too much in money and prospects.

    Look at this deal as Halladay/Aumont instead of Lee walking in ’10/Drabek

     
  • Posts: 0 Stuart

    I dont really like this. Why are we getting rid of our prospects? what happened to the idea of using the mariners prospects. If this is all it took why didnt wejust give them the prospects this summer and had him for even longer. Just seems stupid to me.

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I like the trade, except I do not get why we just did not send Drabek, D’Arnold(sp) and Taylor to Toronto for Halladay. I first heard the pitcher in the deal was going to be the guy we got from Seattle. I still like Doc for 3-4 years over Lee for one. Now Hamels just has to show up, and this will be a great rotation,
    Doc
    Hamels
    Blanton
    Happ

     
  • Posts: 0 bob

    In Amaro I trust!

     
  • Posts: 0 Mikey Mike

    From a man who KNOWS prospects…

    http://phuturephillies.com/2009/12/15/analysis-of-the-roy-halladay-trade/

    He doesn’t seemed too thrilled. On the minor league level, this trade makes no sense. On the big club, this trade makes all sorts of sense. What would you rather have, Lee for one more year? OR Halladay for 4 years?
    My vote: Doc

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    ^one thing to add- Baseball law says you don’t stay on top for long (unless the teams in your division are bad/barely better than just OK). I’d rather have Roy Halladay keeping the team at least near the top than any other pitcher in the game right now, I don’t get the feeling Lee was the guy who would hold the team up as much if and when things aren’t going so bad.

    Look at this as karma for the Schilling and Rolen deals.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike W

    Horrible deal. If you want to know why just look at Olney’s column from this morning. The phils had numerous directions to go and they chose the worst one.

    Granted, we will continue to be great for another 3 years or so, but after that we wont have any nucleus to depend on (like Drabek and Taylor). We should’ve just gambled that we could’ve signed Lee long term (all indications are that he wanted to) and kept the future alive along w/ the present. We got a small upgrade for the next 3 years, and a ridiculously big downgrade for the years that follow.

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Not knowing much about this kid from Seattle, and assuming not many people on here know much about him either. If he is equal or better prospect then Drabek, than I am fine with it. But like stated before, why move Cliff if we are giving up our own prospects for Doc, was it purely money?

     
 
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