Comments on: Halladay Blockbuster Complete? http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:33:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jimmie Prunahttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-191418 Jimmie Pruna Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:45:28 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-191418 Frequently there is confusion in what we write, a lose of what is reality and fantasy, maybe even fantasy in our personal minds of the way see the world and people close to us. Frequently there is confusion in what we write, a lose of what is reality and fantasy, maybe even fantasy in our personal minds of the way see the world and people close to us.

]]> By: Fresno DUI Lawyerhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161612 Fresno DUI Lawyer Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:17:52 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161612 It's weird to think this is actually happening for real It’s weird to think this is actually happening for real

]]> By: Brian of COhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161605 Brian of CO Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:06:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161605 This is a sticky situation to me losing Lee. We either keep Lee and get no prospects and weaken our farm system slightly for the future, and almost assuredly go to the WS AGAIN, and have a MUCH better chance of winning in 2010, or we lose Lee get some DAMN NICE prospects, and have a DAMN GOOD team and have a decent chance of continues success for 3 to 4 years, rather than just 1. We would have a much better chance at winning another WS with Lee, bit Halladay doesnt hurt AT ALL. Maybe RAJ could have traded Hamels instead, and kept Lee. LOL. This is a sticky situation to me losing Lee. We either keep Lee and get no prospects and weaken our farm system slightly for the future, and almost assuredly go to the WS AGAIN, and have a MUCH better chance of winning in 2010, or we lose Lee get some DAMN NICE prospects, and have a DAMN GOOD team and have a decent chance of continues success for 3 to 4 years, rather than just 1. We would have a much better chance at winning another WS with Lee, bit Halladay doesnt hurt AT ALL. Maybe RAJ could have traded Hamels instead, and kept Lee. LOL.

]]> By: Don Mhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161378 Don M Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:18:10 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161378 Does anyone know how much the Phillies made last year??Everyone is saying that we can afford $160+ M payrolls... Im not sure where the hell that is coming fromWe JUST went over $100 M in the past like 5 years.. and have been climbing steadily upward since then... but you need to set a limit at some point, and they did... at $140 Million. How can anyone complain about that?? Does anyone know how much the Phillies made last year??

Everyone is saying that we can afford $160+ M payrolls… Im not sure where the hell that is coming from

We JUST went over $100 M in the past like 5 years.. and have been climbing steadily upward since then… but you need to set a limit at some point, and they did… at $140 Million. How can anyone complain about that??

]]> By: Brookshttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161332 Brooks Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:52:15 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161332 All depends on the way you look at things - we now have the best starting right hand pitcher in baseball today and until 2014. Phils need some bullpen support to complete this ride. Cole will be fine, as much of a princess he was this year, I think the kid is definitely tough and will come back with a really good 2010 and make us all believers again. GO PHILS! All depends on the way you look at things – we now have the best starting right hand pitcher in baseball today and until 2014.
Phils need some bullpen support to complete this ride.
Cole will be fine, as much of a princess he was this year, I think the kid is definitely tough and will come back with a really good 2010 and make us all believers again.
GO PHILS!

]]> By: joedadhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161254 joedad Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:26:17 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161254 I can't call the owners cheap because they are going to be in the top 5 or so in spending this year. $9 million is not a drop in the bucket when payroll is $140 million. They bumped up payroll from last year already. $9 million more would be 6.5% higher. It ain't your money. I can’t call the owners cheap because they are going to be in the top 5 or so in spending this year. $9 million is not a drop in the bucket when payroll is $140 million. They bumped up payroll from last year already. $9 million more would be 6.5% higher. It ain’t your money.

]]> By: Keith Ehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161239 Keith E Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:36:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161239 @Pat Gallen >Keith E. we got em! And then they broke, so we got newer ones I was just poking fun and trying to break some of the tension. Keep up the good work. GO PHILS!!! @Pat Gallen >Keith E. we got em! And then they broke, so we got newer ones
I was just poking fun and trying to break some of the tension. Keep up the good work.
GO PHILS!!!

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161237 j reed Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:35:31 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161237 I think the lackey deal is what made RAJ jump. A better to be safe than sorry move. I think the lackey deal is what made RAJ jump. A better to be safe than sorry move.

]]> By: Pat Gallenhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161234 Pat Gallen Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:27:32 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161234 Keith E. we got em! And then they broke, so we got newer ones.I see a lot of disappointment here, and I can understand it. I think Amaro may have been a bit trigger happy, but the silver lining behind this is that one year from now, they would have come away with nothing. No Lee, no Halladay, just a lump of "maybes" in the farm system.MAYBE Drabek is an ace in waiting. MAYBE Taylor takes over for Werth. MAYBE in 5 years, D'Arnaud is a stud. All maybes. MAYBE the Phillies sign Lee to an extension. All may have happened, but Roy Halladay is the only sure thing here. Thats what Ruben was looking for and thats what he got.Im just as upset as the next guy that Taylor and Drabek are gone, I was excited to see what they could do. But we have to look ahead now, whats done is done. Lee was a Phillie, he no longer is. It's now about what Doc can do. And I think its fascinating. Keith E. we got em! And then they broke, so we got newer ones.

I see a lot of disappointment here, and I can understand it. I think Amaro may have been a bit trigger happy, but the silver lining behind this is that one year from now, they would have come away with nothing. No Lee, no Halladay, just a lump of “maybes” in the farm system.

MAYBE Drabek is an ace in waiting. MAYBE Taylor takes over for Werth. MAYBE in 5 years, D’Arnaud is a stud. All maybes. MAYBE the Phillies sign Lee to an extension. All may have happened, but Roy Halladay is the only sure thing here. Thats what Ruben was looking for and thats what he got.

Im just as upset as the next guy that Taylor and Drabek are gone, I was excited to see what they could do. But we have to look ahead now, whats done is done. Lee was a Phillie, he no longer is. It’s now about what Doc can do. And I think its fascinating.

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161232 j reed Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:24:03 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161232 5 minutes and three fights...If we can't beat the pens in play at least we beat the crap out of them. 5 minutes and three fights…If we can’t beat the pens in play at least we beat the crap out of them.

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161231 j reed Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:11:58 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161231 You mean Kelvin "what year haven't I've been on the DL" Escobar. I guess the Mets were hedgeing their bets....at least now they know he'll be on the DL eventually and not disappointed when he joins the rest of the team on the DL. You mean Kelvin “what year haven’t I’ve been on the DL” Escobar. I guess the Mets were hedgeing their bets….at least now they know he’ll be on the DL eventually and not disappointed when he joins the rest of the team on the DL.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161230 Andrew Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:00:42 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161230 The mets signed Chris coste and offered kelvin escobar a minor league contract so far this year. They have the second biggest payroll. Must be great in mets nation. The mets signed Chris coste and offered kelvin escobar a minor league contract so far this year. They have the second biggest payroll. Must be great in mets nation.

]]> By: Keith Ehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161229 Keith E Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:59:56 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161229 One crazy trade story and the site breaks! If this keeps up we're going to need new servers. GO PHILS!!! One crazy trade story and the site breaks!
If this keeps up we’re going to need new servers.
GO PHILS!!!

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161228 j reed Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:59:17 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161228 As to prospects check this out: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dose-reality-prospect-watchers It was determined that 31% of top 10 pitching prospects bust and 33% of top 26-50 pitching prospects bust Aumont is 33rd, so at least he and Drabek have the about the same chance to fail. It aint much but might make it feel a little better about losing Drabek. As to prospects check this out:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dose-reality-prospect-watchers
It was determined that
31% of top 10 pitching prospects bust and
33% of top 26-50 pitching prospects bust
Aumont is 33rd, so at least he and Drabek have the about the same chance to fail. It aint much but might make it feel a little better about losing Drabek.

]]> By: SDOhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-5/#comment-161227 SDO Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:53:17 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161227 Jeff - you don't even know the facts of the trades (see post about $15M for Lee's salaray), yet you come here insinuating people here are idiots. What balls you have. Jeff – you don’t even know the facts of the trades (see post about $15M for Lee’s salaray), yet you come here insinuating people here are idiots. What balls you have.

]]> By: SDOhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-4/#comment-161226 SDO Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:50:07 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161226 "You were not going to get Halladay if you did not get rid of Lee."False. The two trades were not tied together. This was strictly a financial decision by the owners. “You were not going to get Halladay if you did not get rid of Lee.”

False. The two trades were not tied together. This was strictly a financial decision by the owners.

]]> By: JeffRhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-4/#comment-161225 JeffR Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:46:32 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161225 Philly Texan Says: By trading Lee, we’re not banking on just one year. The team is set up for World Series runs the next two years at least and probably three. In the next 2-3 years, our rotation could still be Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ, and Kendrick or maybe Aumont (I know he’s had arm problems, but the kids is still a ridiculous talent.Wrong. Blanton is a free agent after next year and will walk, the same as Lee would have been. We're exchanging one year of Lee +2 draft picks for one year of Blanton plus those marginal prospects. If we were really serious about winning now, I know which option I'd go for. Philly Texan Says:
By trading Lee, we’re not banking on just one year. The team is set up for World Series runs the next two years at least and probably three.
In the next 2-3 years, our rotation could still be Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ, and Kendrick or maybe Aumont (I know he’s had arm problems, but the kids is still a ridiculous talent.

Wrong. Blanton is a free agent after next year and will walk, the same as Lee would have been. We’re exchanging one year of Lee +2 draft picks for one year of Blanton plus those marginal prospects. If we were really serious about winning now, I know which option I’d go for.

]]> By: Jeffhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-4/#comment-161224 Jeff Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:44:46 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161224 You were not going to get Halladay if you did not get rid of Lee. So stop already. Lee was trade for three prospects and we save his money for next season. Maybe a Smoltz will come in. You guys are terrible. Guy just made a great trade and you moan and complain. Oh yea and he got rid of our weakest player in Feliz and brought in a fan favorite....Oh yea and Gload. I guess we all hate the Ibanez deal too. Also giving Howard an extention. He is terrible. I think he knows his job very well. I cant wait to see Halladay. You were not going to get Halladay if you did not get rid of Lee. So stop already. Lee was trade for three prospects and we save his money for next season. Maybe a Smoltz will come in. You guys are terrible. Guy just made a great trade and you moan and complain. Oh yea and he got rid of our weakest player in Feliz and brought in a fan favorite….Oh yea and Gload. I guess we all hate the Ibanez deal too. Also giving Howard an extention. He is terrible. I think he knows his job very well. I cant wait to see Halladay.

]]> By: SDOhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-4/#comment-161223 SDO Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:42:52 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161223 william - it certainly would make it more believable that RA was trying to restock the farm system! william – it certainly would make it more believable that RA was trying to restock the farm system!

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/halladay-blockbuster-in-the-works/comment-page-4/#comment-161222 j reed Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:40:54 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10571#comment-161222 GW- Well they wanted 3 top prospects and Happ to which even I who wrote a dissertation singing Halladay praises in these blogs, objected. The decision was made based on Lee desire to dabble after 2010. That was the wild card in all this. Well look at it like this: Yankees, Dodgers, Cards, Mets can't get there hands on either Lee or Halladay. I would have like to see them bite the bullet but that decision was set by the phantom 5 ownwership. I don't think Amaro would have blinked at the extra 9 mil. had he been given the green light to spend. GW-
Well they wanted 3 top prospects and Happ to which even I who wrote a dissertation singing Halladay praises in these blogs, objected. The decision was made based on Lee desire to dabble after 2010. That was the wild card in all this. Well look at it like this: Yankees, Dodgers, Cards, Mets can’t get there hands on either Lee or Halladay. I would have like to see them bite the bullet but that decision was set by the phantom 5 ownwership. I don’t think Amaro would have blinked at the extra 9 mil. had he been given the green light to spend.

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