Comments on: Phils Add a Reliever?

By: Brian Sr. of CO

Brian Sr. of CO — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:12:18 +0000

I find it funny how some people BASHED RAJ when he passed on Halladay the first time for not getting one of the top 3 pitchers in the league, and “settling for Lee who usually is not very good in the second half of the season” (not my words). Lee DOMINATES in the post season, and RAJ decides to give up on the top 5 to top 10 pitcher in Lee for Halladay (top 3), and still RAJ is a moron. Sure would be nice to have both, but its about time to give it up. Lets just hope Princess can pitch like a #2 starter this season, rather then the inconsitent 4 or 5 starter he was pitching like last season. If he can work out his VERY FRAGILE mental state, and pitch like a pro, and a #2, this team can be more lethal than 09.

By: Joel V

Joel V — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 02:06:52 +0000

NJ- Amen brother. Let’s face it. These free agent relievers are free agents for a reason….They aren’t very good! All the good ones are snapped up in at the beginning of free agency. You have to trade for a good one or develop some relievers.

By: WFC010

WFC010 — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:14:14 +0000

Cliff Lee Cliff Lee oh how we miss ye

RAJ and Monty decided they’d rather have a Halladay party, and you weren’t invited.

Blah blah blah blah

Let’s just hope everything works out okay, and also I am pretty sure that the prospects will turn into some legit players, so nobody fret too much.

By: Manny

Manny — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:38:03 +0000

Cliff Lee Cliff Lee Cliff Lee Cliff Lee

we traded you for a bag of peanuts…

By: Will

Will — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:35:16 +0000

Capps signed with Washington…3.5 mil for 1 year

By: j reed

j reed — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:20:20 +0000

yeah, i’m with you Griffin esp. when I practically wrote a discretation on Halladay back in ’09. Still pretty stunned by Halladay, but not so much not to smell something rotten in Denmark. I see your logic psu joe but still think Lee could have gotten us more . Merry XMAS and remember all the Phillies stuff we’re getting tommorrow multipled by everyone in the Philly area. That’d cover the tab for Lee . Pitch forks and molotav cocktails at dawn. Just a thought to keep yous warm as we have all winter to enjoy the Dan Carcillo Show in place of our beloved toothless canadiens who locked themselves in the penalty box.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:05:42 +0000

Well, on the bright side, if they both reach their projections youll get two good pitchers out of the deal. Aumont would be a late inning reliever when he arrives, and JC Ramirez will be a 2/3 starter, which isnt too shabby since he will be young and cheap!

By: psujoe

psujoe — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:30:16 +0000

Merry Christmas to all as well.

By: psujoe

psujoe — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:29:28 +0000

We understood you jr.

I just think the deal as it was originally tweeted was probably better for the Phils.

Drabek and D’Armond to Jays for Halladay.
Aumont and Ramirez to Phill for Lee with Saunders to the Jays.

Taylor > Gillies or Saunders > Gillies.

but I don’t paid to evaluate these guys though

By: Griffin

Griffin — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:29:05 +0000

yeah, I’m trying to focus on Halladay but it’s hard to make excuses for the terrible Lee trade. I’ll get over it, but right now it still burns.

Oh well, Merry Christmas everyone.

By: j reed

j reed — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:25:31 +0000

that’s “everyone knew the owners wouldn’t let us…” DOH! in the first post.

By: j reed

j reed — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:24:36 +0000

griffin – yeah 3 magic beans. Once amaro hand was forced I think we were lucky to get that. Man I just shot my out with my new Red Ryder Roy Halladay BB Gun…..Fudge. Still i love my Halladay though. No complaints there but elsewhere i’m getting all “kill my landlord, kill my landlord…break in house , break his neck got no reason ..what the the Heck…”

By: j reed

j reed — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:18:54 +0000

psu joe – let me think on that one but i would agree with you readily if we hadn’t announced all this “we mean business on the budget” nonsense in the beginning of the winter meetings. Meaning crying poor cost us the high ground in negotiating under a non cap system. Owners effectively neutered Amaro cause Lee’s value dropped once we were in the Halladay hunt. Everyone knew the owners would let us keep both.

By: psujoe

psujoe — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:15:20 +0000

Saunders hit .310 with 13 Hrs in 248 ABs in AAA last year before being called up. He only hit .221 with no Hrs in 126 ABs but he just turned 23 in November. He’s listed at 6’4″ 210. He hit .273 away from SAFCO field. The last rankings I saw in April had him in the top 75.

By: Griffin

Griffin — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:13:06 +0000

According to Jason Churchill of Prospect Insider on Tyson Gillies: “Gillies profiles best as a fourth outfielder who can pinch run and play good defense, and in his best years maybe serve as a stop-gap regular”

On J.C. Ramirez: “If all goes well, Ramirez could break into the big leagues in 2011 with a chance to be a No. 2 or 3 starter.”

On Phillipe Aumont: “If Aumont can become efficient and improve his curve ball, there’s no reason to think he can’t at least handle the eighth inning in the big leagues, based on his fastball and ground ball abilities alone.”

Again, I hate to keep bringing up the Lee deal but the more I read about it, the worse it looks. Cliff Lee was traded for a 4th OF, a middle reliever and a guy who COULD become a #3 starter.

By: j reed

j reed — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:10:45 +0000

Okay you guys figure out who this saunders is ? If he is indeed a #1 then I am going to belly flop naked into a pile of glass ornaments, jump into a tub filled with rubbing alcohol and hang myself with a strand of half -lit X Mas tree lights. 3 magic beans…..no way

By: psujoe

psujoe — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:07:10 +0000

j reed,

The interesting thing is the Phils must like Gillies better than Taylor because I’m pertty sure the A’s would’ve traded Wallace in a heartbeat for Saunders. So essentially the Phils traded Taylor of Gillies.

By: Griffin

Griffin — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:06:29 +0000

Oh my. If that’s true then that’s a disaster. Gillies has no power whatsoever. The more I read, the less confident in Amaro I am.

By: j reed

j reed — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:04:25 +0000

Well I guess I was way wrong there on Saunders but if that’s the case Lee was certainly worth him after we had set the ceiling with two top tiers for Halladay. At least 1 top tier and a 2nd tier I’d say esp since Lee and Roy had 1 year left on their contracts.

By: psujoe

psujoe — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:03:34 +0000

Griffin,

According to Bob Elliot.

Dec. 13

Beeston calls Nadir Mohamed, Rogers Communications CEO, and Tony Viner, Rogers Media president, in the morning to tell them the cost of doing business, and moving Halladay to Philadelphia, will be $6 million.

The Phils will get Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies and J.C. Ramirez from the M’s. Originally, Mike Saunders of Victoria, B.C., was in the deal over Gillies. A Phillies scout calls the speedy Gillies “the key to the (Seattle) portion” of the deal.

The Phils suggest moving Aumont and Gillies — both Canadians — to the Jays, to keep Drabek. Anthopoulos likes both Seattle prospects, but prefers Drabek.

The commissioner’s office grants a 72-hour window for Halladay and agent Greg Landry to work out a contract extension with Amaro.

Halladay and Landry fly to Philadelphia.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/bob_elliott/2009/12/24/12258766-sun.html