Comments on: Phils Exercise Rollins’ 2011 Option http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Sat, 26 May 2012 05:17:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Noel Loanshttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-162458 Noel Loans Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:14:11 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-162458 Hi, It is likely this post is off topic but anyways, Having been surfing about your blog and it looks truly great. It is obvious that you know the topic and you are fervent about it. I'm developing a new blog and I am attempting to make it look good, as well as present high quality content. I've learned much at this web site and also I anticipate much more articles and will be returning soon. Many thanks. Hi, It is likely this post is off topic but anyways, Having been surfing about your blog and it looks truly great. It is obvious that you know the topic and you are fervent about it. I’m developing a new blog and I am attempting to make it look good, as well as present high quality content. I’ve learned much at this web site and also I anticipate much more articles and will be returning soon. Many thanks.

]]> By: Brian of COhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-162026 Brian of CO Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:25:01 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-162026 There is only one thing I agree with...Moyers 2 year deal. He was too old for that. You are saying dumb moves for things you have NO IDEA if they will work out or not. IF Castro plays like Beard, it was a dumb move, are you sure he will play like him? No, you cant base a "dumb move" on future performance, because you just dont know what it will be. I learned that one when flipping out that Burrell left, and Ibanez came in. Based it ASSUMING he would play differently. You are ASSUMING Castro will play like Bruntlett. Also, really, who was available for Lidge mid way through the season? Are you taking into account what Manuel was saying through the season? Manuel was never so attached to a starting pitcher keeping his job as he was Lidge keeping his Job. Did you forget that Manuel could have MULTIPLE TIMES changed Lidge out, instead it was the same story, "he is our closer" so why should RAJ have shopped for another closer? Getting Lee, Francisco and Pedro one would have to think had something to do with Manuels lack of confidence in his 5 man rotation and bench. RAJ I HIGHLY doubt is going to go out and make deals with out ever taking into account what the Manager thinks or needs. Thats not to say that RAJ will ALWAYS do what Manuel wants, but Im sure his opinion is seeked often. My comment was NOT "all self righteous" but seriously "If you think ANY of these count as a dumb move…then yeah..it was ok to say…dumb move yet again….." really, wow, thats a sad outlook on everything. with how that is said if someone makes ONE SINGLE mistake that sets a precedence that he will make a "dumb move...AGAIN". I didnt take issue with the "dumb move" comment, but to add in "yet again" makes RAJ sound like all he has done was make mistakes. RAJ is also the same GM who didnt succom to the pressure to get halladay for MORE than what he got him for. Jays wanted 4 for Halladay, 3 prospects PLUS Happ. Instead we waited, sent 3 prospects AND RECEIVED 6 Million, as well as keeping Happ. Asmuch as I love Happ on this team, if I had to choose between shipping Lee to Seattle or Losing Happ or Blanton, I would have kept Lee, but I doubt Seattle wanted Blanton, not many do, and Happ has earned another year, he was brilliant last season prior to his injury. EVERYONE makes mistakes, I wouldnt say that he has "screwed up plenty". Overall, RAJ has done a VERY nice job. Not saying he didnt walk into a sweet deal, but Ibanez worked out pretty darn well, Park out of the bullpen was for the most part awesome, sure Moyer had some rough spots, however, I think he was signed for LEADERSHIP, which can not go overlooked, and he also had some DAMN nice outings out of the bullpen, I dont agree with the 2 years, but oh well, went and took another chance on Pedro and that worked. Like it or not, RAJ is judged on all of our opinions, and he WILL be scrutinized OFTEN for what we THINK the player will do, and not wait to see. RAJ was called a moron for getting Ibanez, Pedro, NOT getting Halladay last season, and "only" getting Lee. shopping Lee correctly? Were you there on a conference call? Most reports I have seen were the Blue Jays called Seattle PRIOR to the deal asking them if they would take Lee. Sounds wierd, but almost like they set the deal up as part of the Halladay deal. Look, Im not the only one who responded to your comment, I just so happened to be the long winded one, but I know I NEVER would have responded, nor most wouldnt have either if you 1 backed your story with past performance, or 2, left it at dumb move. It may have been, but RAJ has done a NICE job setting this team up for success. Who signed Howard, Gillick or Ruben? I dont remember, but I was definately surprised when he was signed because the Phillies for YEARS, probably more like decades wouldnt spend the money to make a run, or keep a good team intact. 93 was a one hit wonder. prior to that, the team of the early 80's was good for years. Finally they are starting to spend money to keep the Phillies VERY competitive. However I definately agree "I don't envy Ruben". He makes the TOUGH decisions to not always get what the fans want, get another integral piece (Lee) then let the fan favorite go (again Lee) to go out and get the player that the fans wanted. Not to mention the other "risks" he went for. Without risk, you have no benefit. When you take risk, he will make mistakes, but honestly with the amount of risk he has taken, im surprised he hasnt made more dumb moves. his risks have worked out. I will support him until the majority of his moves stop working. There is only one thing I agree with…Moyers 2 year deal. He was too old for that. You are saying dumb moves for things you have NO IDEA if they will work out or not. IF Castro plays like Beard, it was a dumb move, are you sure he will play like him? No, you cant base a “dumb move” on future performance, because you just dont know what it will be. I learned that one when flipping out that Burrell left, and Ibanez came in. Based it ASSUMING he would play differently. You are ASSUMING Castro will play like Bruntlett. Also, really, who was available for Lidge mid way through the season? Are you taking into account what Manuel was saying through the season? Manuel was never so attached to a starting pitcher keeping his job as he was Lidge keeping his Job. Did you forget that Manuel could have MULTIPLE TIMES changed Lidge out, instead it was the same story, “he is our closer” so why should RAJ have shopped for another closer? Getting Lee, Francisco and Pedro one would have to think had something to do with Manuels lack of confidence in his 5 man rotation and bench. RAJ I HIGHLY doubt is going to go out and make deals with out ever taking into account what the Manager thinks or needs. Thats not to say that RAJ will ALWAYS do what Manuel wants, but Im sure his opinion is seeked often. My comment was NOT “all self righteous” but seriously “If you think ANY of these count as a dumb move…then yeah..it was ok to say…dumb move yet again…..” really, wow, thats a sad outlook on everything. with how that is said if someone makes ONE SINGLE mistake that sets a precedence that he will make a “dumb move…AGAIN”. I didnt take issue with the “dumb move” comment, but to add in “yet again” makes RAJ sound like all he has done was make mistakes. RAJ is also the same GM who didnt succom to the pressure to get halladay for MORE than what he got him for. Jays wanted 4 for Halladay, 3 prospects PLUS Happ. Instead we waited, sent 3 prospects AND RECEIVED 6 Million, as well as keeping Happ. Asmuch as I love Happ on this team, if I had to choose between shipping Lee to Seattle or Losing Happ or Blanton, I would have kept Lee, but I doubt Seattle wanted Blanton, not many do, and Happ has earned another year, he was brilliant last season prior to his injury. EVERYONE makes mistakes, I wouldnt say that he has “screwed up plenty”. Overall, RAJ has done a VERY nice job. Not saying he didnt walk into a sweet deal, but Ibanez worked out pretty darn well, Park out of the bullpen was for the most part awesome, sure Moyer had some rough spots, however, I think he was signed for LEADERSHIP, which can not go overlooked, and he also had some DAMN nice outings out of the bullpen, I dont agree with the 2 years, but oh well, went and took another chance on Pedro and that worked. Like it or not, RAJ is judged on all of our opinions, and he WILL be scrutinized OFTEN for what we THINK the player will do, and not wait to see. RAJ was called a moron for getting Ibanez, Pedro, NOT getting Halladay last season, and “only” getting Lee. shopping Lee correctly? Were you there on a conference call? Most reports I have seen were the Blue Jays called Seattle PRIOR to the deal asking them if they would take Lee. Sounds wierd, but almost like they set the deal up as part of the Halladay deal. Look, Im not the only one who responded to your comment, I just so happened to be the long winded one, but I know I NEVER would have responded, nor most wouldnt have either if you 1 backed your story with past performance, or 2, left it at dumb move. It may have been, but RAJ has done a NICE job setting this team up for success. Who signed Howard, Gillick or Ruben? I dont remember, but I was definately surprised when he was signed because the Phillies for YEARS, probably more like decades wouldnt spend the money to make a run, or keep a good team intact. 93 was a one hit wonder. prior to that, the team of the early 80′s was good for years. Finally they are starting to spend money to keep the Phillies VERY competitive. However I definately agree “I don’t envy Ruben”. He makes the TOUGH decisions to not always get what the fans want, get another integral piece (Lee) then let the fan favorite go (again Lee) to go out and get the player that the fans wanted. Not to mention the other “risks” he went for. Without risk, you have no benefit. When you take risk, he will make mistakes, but honestly with the amount of risk he has taken, im surprised he hasnt made more dumb moves. his risks have worked out. I will support him until the majority of his moves stop working.

]]> By: Johnhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-162023 John Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:34:17 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-162023 Please...don't act all self righteous, think about the deals Ruben has made himself since he's been in charge. Saying he made a "dumb move" AGAIN is completely fair. (Now I'm not saying ALL his moves have been dumb...I'm saying he made a dumb move again)Ibanez...overpaid him last year, if we had waited he'd have been much cheaperMoyer....uh..not even a way to argue this one...two year deal was dumb dumb dumbTraded for exactly..uh..uh..nobody for the bullpen last year at the break, Lidge had an ERA over 6.....think he regrets that?Managed to trade 7 prospects for 3 months of Lee and 1 year of Halladay...instead of 4-5 prospects for 1 year AND 3 months of Halladay (Now of course, this is dependent on how Happ does this year..but his FIP says last year was a bit of an aberration, he's good..but probably not THAT good)....not to mention getting a crappy return..because he wouldn't shop Lee correctlySigned Castro and Schneider WAYYY too early...Ruben doesn't know the meaning of patience...he has EVERY availabile FA out there and he gets a hard on for Schneider for a 2 year deal....and Castro.....essentially an OLD Eric Bruntlett...way to upgrade the position..because I'm sure every team in the league was gunning for a 38 year old utility guy, who can't run, or hit.If you think ANY of these count as a dumb move...then yeah..it was ok to say...dumb move yet again.....Doesn't mean Ruben hasn't made good moves....just that he's also screwed up plenty.(Original Lee and Francisco Trade, Pedro, Werth to a reasonable extension)And I'm not even counting the stuff I consider him not having control over........Lidge extension...Romero....Hamels extension......And let's not even think about the payroll situation for 2011 and on...I don't envy Ruben not one bit. Please…don’t act all self righteous, think about the deals Ruben has made himself since he’s been in charge. Saying he made a “dumb move” AGAIN is completely fair. (Now I’m not saying ALL his moves have been dumb…I’m saying he made a dumb move again)

Ibanez…overpaid him last year, if we had waited he’d have been much cheaper

Moyer….uh..not even a way to argue this one…two year deal was dumb dumb dumb

Traded for exactly..uh..uh..nobody for the bullpen last year at the break, Lidge had an ERA over 6…..think he regrets that?

Managed to trade 7 prospects for 3 months of Lee and 1 year of Halladay…instead of 4-5 prospects for 1 year AND 3 months of Halladay (Now of course, this is dependent on how Happ does this year..but his FIP says last year was a bit of an aberration, he’s good..but probably not THAT good)….not to mention getting a crappy return..because he wouldn’t shop Lee correctly

Signed Castro and Schneider WAYYY too early…Ruben doesn’t know the meaning of patience…he has EVERY availabile FA out there and he gets a hard on for Schneider for a 2 year deal….and Castro…..essentially an OLD Eric Bruntlett…way to upgrade the position..because I’m sure every team in the league was gunning for a 38 year old utility guy, who can’t run, or hit.

If you think ANY of these count as a dumb move…then yeah..it was ok to say…dumb move yet again…..

Doesn’t mean Ruben hasn’t made good moves….just that he’s also screwed up plenty.

(Original Lee and Francisco Trade, Pedro, Werth to a reasonable extension)

And I’m not even counting the stuff I consider him not having control over……..

Lidge extension…Romero….Hamels extension……

And let’s not even think about the payroll situation for 2011 and on…I don’t envy Ruben not one bit.

]]> By: Brian of COhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161966 Brian of CO Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:41:05 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161966 Did I really just read someone type "Dumb move by Ruben…yet again." AGAIN? What? HELLO, welcome to being a Phillies fan mr bandwagon. I was one of the MOST CRITICAL of RAJ prior to the 2009 season, but come on man, get with it. So MAYBE some of his decisions might not work out, but they havent happened yet, so far HE AND HE ALONE are credited with Lee, Pedro Martinez and Raul Ibanez. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought I watched Lee COMPLETELY DUMB FOUND the Dodgers and Yankees, Pedro Martinez pitched a VERY winnable game against a very potent offense of the Yankees, and also pitched VERY well at 5-1 with a 3.64 ERA, and Ibanez prior to his injury was on MVP pace. Sure he had a mediocre 2nd half, but I think that has alot to do with his injury. MAYBE some of his decisions this season could bite us as in Lee trade, or things like that, but to say "yet again", makes no sense. Back to the Lee trade, sure I think the Phillies could have afforded Lee and Halladay, and I really think that would have made everything so much easier to have those two pitchers as a one two punch, but I really think Lee getting shipped had ALOT MORE to do with Lee's Agent then it had to do with Lee or RAJ. Ive read a few articles saying Lee didnt want to be traded or leave, and thought he would retire there, not really going into what his agent was telling RAJ. I obviously wasnt there, but hearing all the reports and seeing it (take it with a grain of salt) on ESPN, that Lee's agent was trying to get Sabathia type money for Lee, and while granted they made a counter offer to the Phillies original offer, with what I have seen, Lee's agent wasnt really giving any sort of indication of caring where Lee played, but more all about the money. It leads me to believe that while Lee wanted to stay in Philly, his agent was more set on money then Lee may have been. Hell you never know, if Lee REALLY wants to be in Philly he could finish his current contract in Seattle and sign a lower contract to go to Philly (similar to Halladay). I HATE to see Lee go, but from my Arm chair, I dont blame RAJ for it what what I have read, I blame Lee's agent. I mean I HIGHLY doubt that Lee would move back to Philly, but if the Phillies go deep in the playoffs AGAIN, he may say screw you to his agent, and head to Philly (fantasy land I think), then we would have Halladay, Lee AND the prospects. I also remember readin somewhere that the Blue Jays called Seattle and asked them how they would feel if they could get Lee. So my question to that is...Did the Blue Jays as part of the trade for some reason make the Halladay trade contigent upon the Phillies dealing Lee. Dont know why they would do that since they are AL, but it sounds wierd that they would ask Seattle if they would trade for Lee from the Phillies. Unless the Phillies said they had to trade a starting pitcher in order to afford Halladay (supposedly) and the Blue Jays took it upon themselves to find a team that wanted one of the pitchers. Either way, regardless of the Halladay/Lee thing, can we really say the current Rollins decision is a bad idea? NO. He is one of the best players in the game, while he had difficulties at the beginning of the season offensivly, he ended it pretty good, from a defensive perspective, can you say ANOTHER gold glove? IF he goes completely in reverse, it was a bad move, if he only slows down a little bit, probably a decent move. Did I really just read someone type “Dumb move by Ruben…yet again.” AGAIN? What? HELLO, welcome to being a Phillies fan mr bandwagon. I was one of the MOST CRITICAL of RAJ prior to the 2009 season, but come on man, get with it. So MAYBE some of his decisions might not work out, but they havent happened yet, so far HE AND HE ALONE are credited with Lee, Pedro Martinez and Raul Ibanez. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought I watched Lee COMPLETELY DUMB FOUND the Dodgers and Yankees, Pedro Martinez pitched a VERY winnable game against a very potent offense of the Yankees, and also pitched VERY well at 5-1 with a 3.64 ERA, and Ibanez prior to his injury was on MVP pace. Sure he had a mediocre 2nd half, but I think that has alot to do with his injury. MAYBE some of his decisions this season could bite us as in Lee trade, or things like that, but to say “yet again”, makes no sense. Back to the Lee trade, sure I think the Phillies could have afforded Lee and Halladay, and I really think that would have made everything so much easier to have those two pitchers as a one two punch, but I really think Lee getting shipped had ALOT MORE to do with Lee’s Agent then it had to do with Lee or RAJ. Ive read a few articles saying Lee didnt want to be traded or leave, and thought he would retire there, not really going into what his agent was telling RAJ. I obviously wasnt there, but hearing all the reports and seeing it (take it with a grain of salt) on ESPN, that Lee’s agent was trying to get Sabathia type money for Lee, and while granted they made a counter offer to the Phillies original offer, with what I have seen, Lee’s agent wasnt really giving any sort of indication of caring where Lee played, but more all about the money. It leads me to believe that while Lee wanted to stay in Philly, his agent was more set on money then Lee may have been. Hell you never know, if Lee REALLY wants to be in Philly he could finish his current contract in Seattle and sign a lower contract to go to Philly (similar to Halladay). I HATE to see Lee go, but from my Arm chair, I dont blame RAJ for it what what I have read, I blame Lee’s agent. I mean I HIGHLY doubt that Lee would move back to Philly, but if the Phillies go deep in the playoffs AGAIN, he may say screw you to his agent, and head to Philly (fantasy land I think), then we would have Halladay, Lee AND the prospects. I also remember readin somewhere that the Blue Jays called Seattle and asked them how they would feel if they could get Lee. So my question to that is…Did the Blue Jays as part of the trade for some reason make the Halladay trade contigent upon the Phillies dealing Lee. Dont know why they would do that since they are AL, but it sounds wierd that they would ask Seattle if they would trade for Lee from the Phillies. Unless the Phillies said they had to trade a starting pitcher in order to afford Halladay (supposedly) and the Blue Jays took it upon themselves to find a team that wanted one of the pitchers. Either way, regardless of the Halladay/Lee thing, can we really say the current Rollins decision is a bad idea? NO. He is one of the best players in the game, while he had difficulties at the beginning of the season offensivly, he ended it pretty good, from a defensive perspective, can you say ANOTHER gold glove? IF he goes completely in reverse, it was a bad move, if he only slows down a little bit, probably a decent move.

]]> By: psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161955 psujoe Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:58:57 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161955 It's obvious that Rube wanted to keep Lee which is why he shopped Blanton. Bottom line is they didn't want to totally gut the farm. If they could've landed half of what they got from Seattle for Blanton Lee would be a Philly. They couldn't get a bag of balls for Joe though. It’s obvious that Rube wanted to keep Lee which is why he shopped Blanton. Bottom line is they didn’t want to totally gut the farm. If they could’ve landed half of what they got from Seattle for Blanton Lee would be a Philly. They couldn’t get a bag of balls for Joe though.

]]> By: psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161954 psujoe Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:55:53 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161954 Does the fact that Comcast is going to lose exclusive rights to the FLyers and Sixers have any impact on the Phillies potential TV revenue? In other words Comcast wont be the only game in town so does that open things up?http://www.philly.com/philly/business/technology/20091216_FCC_seeks_to_close__quot_terrestrial_loophole_quot_.html Does the fact that Comcast is going to lose exclusive rights to the FLyers and Sixers have any impact on the Phillies potential TV revenue? In other words Comcast wont be the only game in town so does that open things up?

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/technology/20091216_FCC_seeks_to_close__quot_terrestrial_loophole_quot_.html

]]> By: JeffRhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161936 JeffR Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:35:33 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161936 Yeah, and don't forget that we got 6 mil from Toronto, so we would basically have been paying both Halladay and Lee just 9 mil each, less than Halladay by himself next year. Yeah, and don’t forget that we got 6 mil from Toronto, so we would basically have been paying both Halladay and Lee just 9 mil each, less than Halladay by himself next year.

]]> By: brunohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161935 bruno Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:27:13 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161935 Why does everyone keep saying lee and halladay were never going to play together. That's idiotic. Why not? Lee was only making 9 million this year. Its not like they were both making 20 million. And if lee left at the end of the year, the phils would have got 2 draft picks. they could have easily kept lee. The mariners prospects will never amount to anything and trading lee to save 9 million is going to be looked at as one of the worst trades in history. When the phils are struggling to figure who will pitch game 2 of the division series next year, amaro, will be wishing he spent the extra 9 million to be able to pencil in lee instead of smoltz or martinez. And how much is the 5th starter going to cost. Would you want smoltz and polanco or lee? Easy choice. Why does everyone keep saying lee and halladay were never going to play together. That’s idiotic. Why not? Lee was only making 9 million this year. Its not like they were both making 20 million. And if lee left at the end of the year, the phils would have got 2 draft picks. they could have easily kept lee. The mariners prospects will never amount to anything and trading lee to save 9 million is going to be looked at as one of the worst trades in history. When the phils are struggling to figure who will pitch game 2 of the division series next year, amaro, will be wishing he spent the extra 9 million to be able to pencil in lee instead of smoltz or martinez. And how much is the 5th starter going to cost. Would you want smoltz and polanco or lee? Easy choice.

]]> By: Jeff of Novahttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161930 Jeff of Nova Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:39:26 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161930 Man have faith, it is easy to sit on your couch on your laptop and hunt for the numbers on line and criticise RAJ. He is an professional at this and he has shown that he knows what he is doing, and the future looks brightSo what I say to all of you ragging on this top notch organization STFU!!Please its really annoying and gives Phillie fans a bad name!Lets all enjoy what this organization is doing and has been doing for the last 4 years.I mean don't get me wrong debating what they will do next but some of your are never happy its ridiculous! Man have faith, it is easy to sit on your couch on your laptop and hunt for the numbers on line and criticise RAJ. He is an professional at this and he has shown that he knows what he is doing, and the future looks bright

So what I say to all of you ragging on this top notch organization STFU!!

Please its really annoying and gives Phillie fans a bad name!

Lets all enjoy what this organization is doing and has been doing for the last 4 years.

I mean don’t get me wrong debating what they will do next but some of your are never happy its ridiculous!

]]> By: shag beta sigma deltahttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161929 shag beta sigma delta Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:16:25 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161929 I think you guys who are jumping all over RAJ are a little short sighted, all about what this one year could bring us. No trades can be considered good or bad for a couple of years unless they are like the Johan trade. If these prospects are playing at the Bank in '11 or '12 and contributing then it was not a bad trade. If not then it was, Lee and Doc where never going to play here together, you have to get that through you heads, it just was not going to happen. The FO obviously likes the guys they got in the trade to Seattle, so let it play out before you jump on them. I like picking up the Option on JRoll early it show you are comitted to him, and maybe even getting ready to sign him next year to another 3-5 years. I think you guys who are jumping all over RAJ are a little short sighted, all about what this one year could bring us. No trades can be considered good or bad for a couple of years unless they are like the Johan trade. If these prospects are playing at the Bank in ’11 or ’12 and contributing then it was not a bad trade. If not then it was, Lee and Doc where never going to play here together, you have to get that through you heads, it just was not going to happen. The FO obviously likes the guys they got in the trade to Seattle, so let it play out before you jump on them.
I like picking up the Option on JRoll early it show you are comitted to him, and maybe even getting ready to sign him next year to another 3-5 years.

]]> By: JeffRhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161924 JeffR Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:17:04 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161924 The math is about right. I got $112 for 12 players if you count picking up Castro at $700k and buying out Romero at $250k instead of paying him 4.25. That's not counting a big number for Victorino in arbitration, lesser amount for Ruiz and Happ, re-signing or replacing Werth, 2 starting pitichers, and the bulk of the bullpen. The math is about right. I got $112 for 12 players if you count picking up Castro at $700k and buying out Romero at $250k instead of paying him 4.25. That’s not counting a big number for Victorino in arbitration, lesser amount for Ruiz and Happ, re-signing or replacing Werth, 2 starting pitichers, and the bulk of the bullpen.

]]> By: psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161920 psujoe Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:31:04 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161920 Mariners, Sorry. Mariners, Sorry.

]]> By: psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161919 psujoe Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:30:39 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161919 Marlins are loaded with relievers. They're trying to trade Morrow. Marlins are loaded with relievers. They’re trying to trade Morrow.

]]> By: Ed R.http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161917 Ed R. Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:54:49 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161917 From MLBtraderumors.comThe Phillies would like to add relievers. Here's the latest on their search:Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports (via Twitter) that the Phils offered Scott Eyre a minor league deal. The lefty wants more, so he hasn't accepted the offer. The Yankees have some interest in Eyre, but have yet to make him a formal offer. Phils GM Ruben Amaro Jr. tells Scott Lauber of the News Journal that he doesn't expect to reach a deal with Chan Ho Park. "I just don't think Chan Ho and the Phillies are going to be able to bring the marriage together," Amaro said. From MLBtraderumors.com

The Phillies would like to add relievers. Here’s the latest on their search:

Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports (via Twitter) that the Phils offered Scott Eyre a minor league deal. The lefty wants more, so he hasn’t accepted the offer. The Yankees have some interest in Eyre, but have yet to make him a formal offer.
Phils GM Ruben Amaro Jr. tells Scott Lauber of the News Journal that he doesn’t expect to reach a deal with Chan Ho Park. “I just don’t think Chan Ho and the Phillies are going to be able to bring the marriage together,” Amaro said.

]]> By: Tavianhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161916 Tavian Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:53:56 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161916 I am probably getting worked up over nothing, but I do hear of other teams signing some decent middle relief pitchers. These guys are really important and it would be a shame if we lose a bunch of games because we cannot hold on to leads in the sixth inning to ninth. A lot of games are won in the last 4 innings of a game. Are we asleep at the switch? Or should we expect someting positive soon? After all, I believe we are losing Park and Eyre --- two important players last year. I am probably getting worked up over nothing, but I do hear of other teams signing some decent middle relief pitchers. These guys are really important and it would be a shame if we lose a bunch of games because we cannot hold on to leads in the sixth inning to ninth. A lot of games are won in the last 4 innings of a game. Are we asleep at the switch? Or should we expect someting positive soon? After all, I believe we are losing Park and Eyre — two important players last year.

]]> By: Georgehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161915 George Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:41:09 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161915 You pick up options early so your players aren't distracted with contract issues, so they'll play more confidently because ownership doesn't think they'll slip, so that teammates can rely on them, and so fans can be reassured the team will have a position at least covered. As far as flexibility, the Phils will need a shortstop no matter what; it's not like choosing between an eleven man or a twelve man pitching staff. If Rollins slipped so badly his option shouldn't be renewed, it would have to be next year, which isn't that likely. Short term injuries can be a problem no matter who is playing, and most contracts carry insurance for long term or career threatening injuries. Lighten up, John. You pick up options early so your players aren’t distracted with contract issues, so they’ll play more confidently because ownership doesn’t think they’ll slip, so that teammates can rely on them, and so fans can be reassured the team will have a position at least covered. As far as flexibility, the Phils will need a shortstop no matter what; it’s not like choosing between an eleven man or a twelve man pitching staff. If Rollins slipped so badly his option shouldn’t be renewed, it would have to be next year, which isn’t that likely. Short term injuries can be a problem no matter who is playing, and most contracts carry insurance for long term or career threatening injuries. Lighten up, John.

]]> By: psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161913 psujoe Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:29:01 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161913 There's no time limit on an option though so why pull the trigger early. Poor move. There’s no time limit on an option though so why pull the trigger early. Poor move.

]]> By: Georgehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161910 George Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:11:16 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161910 None of us are privy to the negotiations, so none of us has the right to say who we should or could have gotten for Lee.I'm glad to see Rollins' option picked up. He's dirt cheap compared with too many others. Even if he slows a bit by 2011, he'll still likely be one of the best shortstops going. None of us are privy to the negotiations, so none of us has the right to say who we should or could have gotten for Lee.

I’m glad to see Rollins’ option picked up. He’s dirt cheap compared with too many others. Even if he slows a bit by 2011, he’ll still likely be one of the best shortstops going.

]]> By: Johnhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161907 John Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:56:49 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161907 What is Ruben doing here...of course we were very likely to exercise this option...but why do it this early? What about flexibility, or injury or massive decline. Dumb move by Ruben...yet again. What is Ruben doing here…of course we were very likely to exercise this option…but why do it this early? What about flexibility, or injury or massive decline. Dumb move by Ruben…yet again.

]]> By: psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/phils-exercise-rollins-2011-option/comment-page-1/#comment-161905 psujoe Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:24:29 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10614#comment-161905 Keystone, The Mariners have a highly rated SS prospect, Triunfel. He was ranked 89 in all the minors by baseball america back in April. Looper knows the Mariners org though and he wanted these three unless he wanted others and got shot down.. Keystone, The Mariners have a highly rated SS prospect, Triunfel. He was ranked 89 in all the minors by baseball america back in April. Looper knows the Mariners org though and he wanted these three unless he wanted others and got shot down..

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