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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Adversaries in Atlanta</title> <atom:link href="http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/</link> <description>Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 05:17:11 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: psujoe</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162504</link> <dc:creator>psujoe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:10:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162504</guid> <description>jr,
After the new year.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jr,<br
/> After the new year.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Corey Seidman</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162503</link> <dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162503</guid> <description>You&#039;re all pretty much spot-on, but the one thing I&#039;ll disagree with is &#039;Shag beta sigma delta&#039;s comment that Happ and Blanton are better than Tommy Hanson and Kenshin Kawakami.Hanson will be a very, very good pitcher for a long time. He is much better than Happ and will show that in 2010, when Happ regresses slightly to his true talent level and Hanson gets even better with another year of experience.Kawakami had a solid year as both a starter and reliever, and got better as the year went on. He was great in May, June, August, and September, but bad in April and shaky in July. That said, this is the same guy who was being bidded on by numerous teams last offseason, the Phillies being one of them, and ultimately signed a 3 yr/$23M contract.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all pretty much spot-on, but the one thing I&#8217;ll disagree with is &#8216;Shag beta sigma delta&#8217;s comment that Happ and Blanton are better than Tommy Hanson and Kenshin Kawakami.</p><p>Hanson will be a very, very good pitcher for a long time. He is much better than Happ and will show that in 2010, when Happ regresses slightly to his true talent level and Hanson gets even better with another year of experience.</p><p>Kawakami had a solid year as both a starter and reliever, and got better as the year went on. He was great in May, June, August, and September, but bad in April and shaky in July. That said, this is the same guy who was being bidded on by numerous teams last offseason, the Phillies being one of them, and ultimately signed a 3 yr/$23M contract.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don M</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162468</link> <dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:39:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162468</guid> <description>Melky Cabrera is actually pretty damn good... alot of people think he just gets overhyped because he played in New Yorkbut he&#039;s a good defensive outfielder, hits for a decent average, and with regular playing time could probably be a 15-15, or 20-20 guy with HRs and Steals</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melky Cabrera is actually pretty damn good&#8230; alot of people think he just gets overhyped because he played in New York</p><p>but he&#8217;s a good defensive outfielder, hits for a decent average, and with regular playing time could probably be a 15-15, or 20-20 guy with HRs and Steals</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: derekcarstairs</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162457</link> <dc:creator>derekcarstairs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:36:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162457</guid> <description>The scariest thing about the 2010 Braves was supposed to be the pitching staff. With the Vazquez trade, the Braves are not so scary. Vazquez was easily the Braves&#039; best pitcher in 2009. Losing Soriano and Gonzalez and adding Billy Wagner is also a net loss for the pitching staff.No matter what else the Braves do this off-season, the Phils&#039; offense will remain far stronger. Melky is not a regular outfielder on a good team. He is a fourth outfielder.The NL East should be an easy win for the Phils. With Halladay (or Lee) for a full season, a bounce-back season for Hamels, and Lidge simply being an above-average closer, the Phils look good for 100 wins in 2010.The Phils will also be the class of the NL. The Dodgers will be weaker. The Cubs haven&#039;t improved. The Cards will be weaker if they don&#039;t re-sign Holliday. The Giants have great pitching and could be tough if they make the playoffs. Posey should be a good addition to the Giants&#039; lineup, but their offense remains weak. Nobody else has made any big moves.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scariest thing about the 2010 Braves was supposed to be the pitching staff. With the Vazquez trade, the Braves are not so scary. Vazquez was easily the Braves&#8217; best pitcher in 2009. Losing Soriano and Gonzalez and adding Billy Wagner is also a net loss for the pitching staff.</p><p>No matter what else the Braves do this off-season, the Phils&#8217; offense will remain far stronger. Melky is not a regular outfielder on a good team. He is a fourth outfielder.</p><p>The NL East should be an easy win for the Phils. With Halladay (or Lee) for a full season, a bounce-back season for Hamels, and Lidge simply being an above-average closer, the Phils look good for 100 wins in 2010.</p><p>The Phils will also be the class of the NL. The Dodgers will be weaker. The Cubs haven&#8217;t improved. The Cards will be weaker if they don&#8217;t re-sign Holliday. The Giants have great pitching and could be tough if they make the playoffs. Posey should be a good addition to the Giants&#8217; lineup, but their offense remains weak. Nobody else has made any big moves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AdamEaton21</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162455</link> <dc:creator>AdamEaton21</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:14:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162455</guid> <description>Resign Chan Ho Park, he needs the money...http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/12/chan_ho_park_suing_former_catc.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resign Chan Ho Park, he needs the money&#8230;</p><p><a
href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/12/chan_ho_park_suing_former_catc.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/12/chan_ho_park_suing_former_catc.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: shag beta sigma delta</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162432</link> <dc:creator>shag beta sigma delta</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:08:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162432</guid> <description>Mikemike put down the pipe, how is Happ unproven, he has pitched well in his short stint in 08, and again for a long period of time 09 until the oblique injury, and the braves rotation is not as good as last year, Lowe is inconsistent, Hudson is coming off major surgery, and is questionable, hanson, and Kawami(sp) are not better then Happ and Blanton.  And really they just got ride of their best starter.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikemike put down the pipe, how is Happ unproven, he has pitched well in his short stint in 08, and again for a long period of time 09 until the oblique injury, and the braves rotation is not as good as last year, Lowe is inconsistent, Hudson is coming off major surgery, and is questionable, hanson, and Kawami(sp) are not better then Happ and Blanton.  And really they just got ride of their best starter.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mikemike</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162431</link> <dc:creator>mikemike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:55:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162431</guid> <description>just match the atlanta starter with our starters. pitching and defense win and they now have it if hamels doesnt come back if halladay and what unproven happ, joe hitmachine blanton and 49 year old moyer. Man I  Know y are phillies fan so am I but lets be real here the braves have improve there pitching and the fact is if heywood is ready they could have a Chase utley type in there lineup by mid season to go with there other players.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just match the atlanta starter with our starters. pitching and defense win and they now have it if hamels doesnt come back if halladay and what unproven happ, joe hitmachine blanton and 49 year old moyer. Man I  Know y are phillies fan so am I but lets be real here the braves have improve there pitching and the fact is if heywood is ready they could have a Chase utley type in there lineup by mid season to go with there other players.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162408</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:57:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162408</guid> <description>well there is bastardo as a left hander.  he&#039; ours</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well there is bastardo as a left hander.  he&#8217; ours</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: WFC010</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162396</link> <dc:creator>WFC010</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:35:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162396</guid> <description>I really want to know what reliever this is, but they better be worth the money regardless!If all they have available are crappy and/or overpriced  relievers, the Phillies may be better off looking in their own system for somebody, or I don&#039;t know what!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to know what reliever this is, but they better be worth the money regardless!</p><p>If all they have available are crappy and/or overpriced  relievers, the Phillies may be better off looking in their own system for somebody, or I don&#8217;t know what!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162395</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:21:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162395</guid> <description>Psujoe - By physical next year do mean the next season or sometime after Dec. 31, 2009?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psujoe &#8211; By physical next year do mean the next season or sometime after Dec. 31, 2009?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162394</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:19:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162394</guid> <description>MacDougal from the Nats maybe.  Skinny tall kid...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacDougal from the Nats maybe.  Skinny tall kid&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162393</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:17:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162393</guid> <description>Corey thanks for the book titles.  I didn&#039;t know if you were being sarcastic or genuine about holding Jayson Stark in high esteem when calling him as your hero. (I think it was you)  But anyway he&#039;ll be at the Willow Grove Barnes and Noble with Ray Didenger and Glen MacNow of 610 WIP for some book signing from 6 PM to I believe 9 PM.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey thanks for the book titles.  I didn&#8217;t know if you were being sarcastic or genuine about holding Jayson Stark in high esteem when calling him as your hero. (I think it was you)  But anyway he&#8217;ll be at the Willow Grove Barnes and Noble with Ray Didenger and Glen MacNow of 610 WIP for some book signing from 6 PM to I believe 9 PM.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: psujoe</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162391</link> <dc:creator>psujoe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:01:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162391</guid> <description>Vazquez was a basic salary dump and Viscaino is a heck of a prospect albeit a young one.  I wouldn&#039;t doubt they flip Cabrera if they can get some more prospects.  I&#039;m just hoping they don&#039;t sign Bay or another big bat.Phillies have agreed to terms with a reliever according to CSN Philly.  No clue who.  Physical next year.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vazquez was a basic salary dump and Viscaino is a heck of a prospect albeit a young one.  I wouldn&#8217;t doubt they flip Cabrera if they can get some more prospects.  I&#8217;m just hoping they don&#8217;t sign Bay or another big bat.</p><p>Phillies have agreed to terms with a reliever according to CSN Philly.  No clue who.  Physical next year.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: George</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162386</link> <dc:creator>George</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:12:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162386</guid> <description>Don&#039;t ask me why, but for some reason my last comment was posted as being by Geoege.  Stupid internet!!Writing &quot;forth&quot; instead of &quot;fourth,&quot; however, was my own stupidity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t ask me why, but for some reason my last comment was posted as being by Geoege.  Stupid internet!!</p><p>Writing &#8220;forth&#8221; instead of &#8220;fourth,&#8221; however, was my own stupidity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoege</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162385</link> <dc:creator>Geoege</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162385</guid> <description>I&#039;m not so sure about that Morrow trade theory. If I were looking for an ML ready pitcher, I&#039;d certainly want someone with fewer injuries than Morrow. League doesn&#039;t seem like much, but to me, niether does Morrow, which makes the trade more or less even.As far as what the Braves got for Vasquez as opposed to the Phils&#039; return on Lee, I agree with Corey Seidman. You go for what you need. The Phils weren&#039;t looking for help for this year, but for the future. Vizcaino may be highly regarded, but the other prospect is just a prospect.  All three guys the Phils got are highly regarded, and will probably be ready by the time they&#039;re needed. So what if the Braves got Cabrera? They&#039;re already saying they don&#039;t know what his exact role will be.  He too might be traded for a prospect--and how much does a forth outfielder bring?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about that Morrow trade theory. If I were looking for an ML ready pitcher, I&#8217;d certainly want someone with fewer injuries than Morrow. League doesn&#8217;t seem like much, but to me, niether does Morrow, which makes the trade more or less even.</p><p>As far as what the Braves got for Vasquez as opposed to the Phils&#8217; return on Lee, I agree with Corey Seidman. You go for what you need. The Phils weren&#8217;t looking for help for this year, but for the future. Vizcaino may be highly regarded, but the other prospect is just a prospect.  All three guys the Phils got are highly regarded, and will probably be ready by the time they&#8217;re needed. So what if the Braves got Cabrera? They&#8217;re already saying they don&#8217;t know what his exact role will be.  He too might be traded for a prospect&#8211;and how much does a forth outfielder bring?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: psujoe</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162384</link> <dc:creator>psujoe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162384</guid> <description>Cory, that&#039;s interesting.  My guess is if the Jays don&#039;t get Morrow they have to get Happ since they wanted a major league ready arm.  The Phils figured Lee and Blanton are gone after 2010 so the rotation would have too many holes to fill without Happ.  Makes sense to me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, that&#8217;s interesting.  My guess is if the Jays don&#8217;t get Morrow they have to get Happ since they wanted a major league ready arm.  The Phils figured Lee and Blanton are gone after 2010 so the rotation would have too many holes to fill without Happ.  Makes sense to me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Corey Seidman</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162383</link> <dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162383</guid> <description>J Reed - Ironically enough, Eric Seidman wrote a book on this exact topic, called &quot;Bridging the Statistical Gap.&quot; It explains basically everything you need to know about sabermetrics, and it does so in layman&#039;s terms. The foreword was written by Jayson Stark.When he wrote it, the tagline was something like &quot;Explaining advanced statistics easy enough that my girlfriend&#039;s mother could understand.&quot;You can find it here.http://www.amazon.com/Bridging-Statistical-Gap-Eric-Seidman/dp/1435720407</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Reed &#8211; Ironically enough, Eric Seidman wrote a book on this exact topic, called &#8220;Bridging the Statistical Gap.&#8221; It explains basically everything you need to know about sabermetrics, and it does so in layman&#8217;s terms. The foreword was written by Jayson Stark.</p><p>When he wrote it, the tagline was something like &#8220;Explaining advanced statistics easy enough that my girlfriend&#8217;s mother could understand.&#8221;</p><p>You can find it here.</p><p><a
href="http://www.amazon.com/Bridging-Statistical-Gap-Eric-Seidman/dp/1435720407" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Bridging-Statistical-Gap-Eric-Seidman/dp/1435720407</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162382</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:25:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162382</guid> <description>Corey need some advice .  I am look for a good book[s] on sabrmetrics that shows how the math is derived.  I prefer to learn from books than the computer screens.  I read alot of the primers at fangraphs but would be more comfortable with actual printed text. Done enough higher math , some probability theory, basic stats., boolean algebra, logic....blah blah.  Anyway if could recommended some books I&#039;d appreciate it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey need some advice .  I am look for a good book[s] on sabrmetrics that shows how the math is derived.  I prefer to learn from books than the computer screens.  I read alot of the primers at fangraphs but would be more comfortable with actual printed text. Done enough higher math , some probability theory, basic stats., boolean algebra, logic&#8230;.blah blah.  Anyway if could recommended some books I&#8217;d appreciate it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Corey Seidman</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162380</link> <dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10704#comment-162380</guid> <description>Good point, psujoe. Arodys Vizcaino is a highly regarded minor league pitcher, so this trade wasn&#039;t as one-sided as it may look on the surface.All I can say in regard to the Braves getting more for Vazquez than the Phillies did for Lee is that the Phils were not looking for major-league talent like Melky Cabrera, they were *looking* for upside prospects. Had they been looking for major-league ready players, the trade would have looked a lot different.And oh-by-the-way, to those confused by the Brandon Morrow trade, you may have some clarification...Dave Cameron of USS Mariner posted an article basically theorizing that the Morrow deal was part of the Halladay and Cliff Lee deals all along, but since the teams were given a 72-hour window by MLB, Seattle and Toronto didn&#039;t have enough time to hammer out who would be going to Seattle in return for Morrow.In other words, the Blue Jays wanted a major-league ready pitcher in the Halladay/Lee deals, and they wanted Morrow all along, but they weren&#039;t given enough time to get him.This is why the Morrow trade looks so lopsided from afar. And this is why the Phillies didn&#039;t seek another bidder for Cliff Lee or wait to trade him. This all makes MUCH, MUCH more sense now, and Jack Z doesn&#039;t look like as big a genius as he did last week.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, psujoe. Arodys Vizcaino is a highly regarded minor league pitcher, so this trade wasn&#8217;t as one-sided as it may look on the surface.</p><p>All I can say in regard to the Braves getting more for Vazquez than the Phillies did for Lee is that the Phils were not looking for major-league talent like Melky Cabrera, they were *looking* for upside prospects. Had they been looking for major-league ready players, the trade would have looked a lot different.</p><p>And oh-by-the-way, to those confused by the Brandon Morrow trade, you may have some clarification&#8230;</p><p>Dave Cameron of USS Mariner posted an article basically theorizing that the Morrow deal was part of the Halladay and Cliff Lee deals all along, but since the teams were given a 72-hour window by MLB, Seattle and Toronto didn&#8217;t have enough time to hammer out who would be going to Seattle in return for Morrow.</p><p>In other words, the Blue Jays wanted a major-league ready pitcher in the Halladay/Lee deals, and they wanted Morrow all along, but they weren&#8217;t given enough time to get him.</p><p>This is why the Morrow trade looks so lopsided from afar. And this is why the Phillies didn&#8217;t seek another bidder for Cliff Lee or wait to trade him. This all makes MUCH, MUCH more sense now, and Jack Z doesn&#8217;t look like as big a genius as he did last week.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/12/the-adversaries-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-162379</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:14:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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I think he was saying as Soriano was already gone and that Saito improved there bull pen not relative to Soriano. but by the fact that their was a hole which made the BP worse  and  it improved once Saito or who ever filled it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rc-<br
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