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The Bittersweet Blockbusters

Posted by Corey Seidman, Tue, December 15, 2009 07:21 PM | Comments: 191
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It’s all about perception.

You can view the trades made by Ruben Amaro in a positive or negative manner, just don’t combine them when you do so. They are two completely different deals that will, unfortunately, be linked together forever. And it’s all because of prospects, not money. Don’t believe anyone who says this was just about money.

The deal Amaro put together in order to acquire Halladay was nothing short of brilliant. He sent Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and Travis D’Arnaud to the Blue Jays in exchange for Halladay and $6 million (40% of his 2010 salary.)

Immediately after acquiring Halladay, Amaro locked him up to a three-year contract worth approximately $60M. The contract, which runs through 2013, also contains a vesting option for 2014 that will automatically trigger if Halladay pitches a certain amount of innings throughout the course of the pact.

If you have the chance to acquire, and subsequently lock up one of the top-three pitchers in baseball for a price below market value, you do it.

Sure, Drabek may turn out to be a stud and D’Arnaud could be the future for the Blue Jays behind the plate. Taylor, a rapidly emerging outfield prospect, may be ready to contribute in April of next year. But it won’t be for Toronto – Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos quickly shipped him off to Oakland for Brett Wallace, the top prospect in the Athletics’ organization. All of these men may turn out to be very good major leaguers, or they might not.

Halladay, on the other hand, is a proven ace. He has been the best pitcher in the superior league for years, despite playing in the toughest division in baseball. This was a brilliant move.

But if Amaro received an A+ on the Halladay trade, he gets an F- on the Cliff Lee deal.Yes, an F-. If a score of 50 nets you an F on an exam, this was a 12.

Lee was sent to Seattle in exchange for Phillippe Aumont (the Mariners top pitching prospect,) Tyson Gillies (an impressive, toolsy outfielder,) and Juan Ramirez (a “high-ceiling” pitcher with mediocre minor-league numbers.)

I spent most of Monday night believing the Lee deal wouldn’t go through, if for no other reason than it was a ridiculous trade from the Phillies standpoint. Dave Cameron of USS Mariner also spent most of Monday in disbelief, claiming that the “package is just so light as to not be realistic.”

It is too light. Even if the Phillies felt that Lee was looking for CC Sabathia-type numbers and that he wouldn’t be back after 2010, this was not enough of a return for a dominant lefty coming off of a Cy Young award in 2008, a brilliant 2009 season, and, arguably, the best postseason any pitcher has ever had in the history of a 130 year-old sport. Yes, Lee will probably leave Seattle next Fall, but this wasn’t enough for a year of his services.

Amaro stole Lee from the Indians in July, and got robbed with his eyes open in December.

Greed is Good

“Experts” are telling you that having Halladay and Lee in the same rotation was never realistic. They are saying that it never could have worked and that anyone who is asking “what if?” is being greedy. They’re wrong. If you’re sitting in your home or your office or your car and imagining a Phillies rotation headed by Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, and Cole Hamels, you have every right to feel upset, confused, and incomplete about what transpired.

The idea of Halladay and Lee together was, by no means, unrealistic. Prior to these trades, Amaro spent a week trying to move Joe Blanton and his soon-to-be $7M salary. He couldn’t find a deal that made sense, so he didn’t pull the trigger. No team was offering the prospect(s) that Amaro was looking for.

Why would they? Blanton is, at best, a number three starter, and he’ll be a free agent after the 2010 season. If you were running a team, would you give up one of your top-five prospects for a pitcher who is going to go 13-10 with a 4.15 ERA? How about your seventh best prospect? How about your twelfth best prospect?

This wasn’t unrealistic because this wasn’t about money. If it were about money, Blanton would have (and definitely SHOULD have) been traded for whatever the Phillies could get. If they traded Blanton for a Double-A infielder who hit .213 last year, so be it. The salaries of Blanton and Lee will be so similar in 2010 that it doesn’t matter who the Phillies received for Kentucky Joe. If it meant the difference between having Blanton or Cliff Lee, the prospect who Blanton would be traded for is arbitrary.

This was about prospects.

Amaro wanted to replenish his farm system by making up for the losses of Drabek, Taylor, and D’Arnaud. Did he do that with Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez? That won’t be clear for another five years, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say probably not. Minor-leaguers are fickle in that they can underperform one year and overperform the next, but I’m sitting here looking at the numbers compiled by Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez over the course of their short careers, and I don’t see it.

So, if this all about prospects, my question is, why not trade for BETTER PROSPECTS?! Amaro didn’t have to trade Lee at all, but if he felt that he had to, he certainly could have called every other GM not named Jack Zduriencik. Maybe he did make those calls, maybe he didn’t. But wouldn’t the Angels, desperate after losing John Lackey that same day, and Chone Figgins weeks earlier to their biggest competitor, be willing to make a deal for Lee? Honestly, who wouldn’t be interested in Cliff Lee? I absolutely, positively refuse to believe that Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez were the best that Amaro could have gotten for Lee. This defies logic.

The real question now becomes, do you care about 2010, or do you care about 2015? It’s a complicated question, because in 2015, Ryan Howard might not be here. Chase Utley will be 37 years old. Jimmy Rollins will be sitting next to Karl Ravech on Baseball Tonight. The Phillies are going to need guys like Aumont, Gillies, Ramirez, and others to live up to their potential in order for this organization to remain competitive.

But don’t you worry about 2015 in 2012 or 2013, when it’s closer than five years away? Don’t you “go-for-broke” in 2010, when this nucleus is still intact, in its prime, and somewhat affordable?

This is why it’s all about perception. And this is why we are justified in feeling like the team we love just squandered an opportunity it might never again see.

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  • Posts: 0 Buster Heyman

    Btw, Baseball America has Aumont rated higher than Drabek.

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    Buster – you may not have read carefully. I, too, believe the Halladay trade was brilliant.

    The Lee trade was its own separate entity. It was hastily put together and saw a great pitcher go for much less than his actual worth.

    And to those saying that its essentially Marson-Carrasco-Knapp-Donald for Aumont-Gillies-Ramirez…just because Amaro stole him from Shapiro doesn’t make it acceptable to have him stolen back by Jack Z.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Keith Law on the Phillies: “They swap one ace for a very slightly better ace in Roy Halladay, whose value over Lee may be as much in his stronger track record as in pitching ability. The price they pay for this small improvement is a major dent in their farm system, trading a superior package of prospects to Toronto for the three players they landed from Seattle in the exchange for Lee. I’m not sure why the Phillies — who were the favorites to win the NL East in 2010 before this move — were motivated to make the trade; yes, they can sign Halladay to an extension and couldn’t sign Lee, but that’s independent of the deals used to obtain one pitcher and trade the other. They might be half a win better in 2010, a whole win at most, but deleted a lot of value from what was a solid farm system before they made the moves.”

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Buster, that Baseball America list that you are looking at is old. Their mid-season ranking had Drabek in the top 20 and Aumont didn’t crack the top 50.

     
  • Posts: 0 george

    why didn’t they just keep cliff lee for a year and take the 2 draft picks you get when he goes elsewhere?and also why didn’t they give up happ instead of drabek happs not bad but i don’t think he’s as good as the season he has last year drabek has more upside.

     
  • Posts: 0 SAMSOAP

    I already sent an email to the Phillies asking them to reconsider the Lee deal to Seattle…send emails lets crash their site with KEEP LEE emails…I also offered to send $10 bucks for the KEEP LEE FUND…Send emails let them hear our anger over the LEE portion of this deal. Thank you for your support!

     
  • Posts: 0 Desi Relaford

    I’m just as confused as everyone about why we would trade Lee for 3 prospects when it seems we didn’t have to. But I am comforted by one thing: the man who moved Lee, who everyone now calls a moron, was also hailed as a genius this past year for stealing Lee and signing Ibanez and letting Burrell walk. There are two options, either Ruben is in fact a moron and made a horrible trade to deal Lee, or that the situation is more complicated than we’ve made it out to be and that he knows what he’s doing. I’m thinking he’s the same GM we praised after the trade deadline and that although we don’t understand it, he made the best move for the club in some way we can’t explain just yet.

    Love, Desi Relaford, the Greatest Phillie Ever

     
  • Posts: 0 Chaze

    Everyone, please look at the big picture here. With Halladay and Lee the Phils have one shot at winning the Series again once (next year) in about the next 5-10 years. With Halladay on board and most of the offense in place for the next few years they have a legitimate chance of winning it again the next 2 or 3 years. If that was the net result of this trade I’m okay with that.

    After Lee leaves and no farm system to speak of the Phils would have to tear it down and start all over again. I’m getting too old for that. I don’t know about you.

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    No, Chaze. With Halladay and Lee they have a chance next year. Then Lee walks. But the Phillies still have Halladay and the entire nucleus of this team EXCEPT for Lee, which means that they have shots to win it in 2011, 2012, and probably 2013.

     
  • Posts: 0 Just Crushed

    Amaro should be run out of town…think about it we rented Lee for 3 months for Carrasco, Marson etc. last summer. Amaro says Drabek and Taylor are untouchable last year and this winter and he gets rid of them, too. He depleted the future. Check back in two years…the Phillies were on there way to being able to dominate for a decade. Wait till he lets Werth go next year. Then the very old over-paid Ibanez retires the year after that and Howard becomes a free agent. Polanco…over paid for three years is 36. Rollins in the broadcast booth. See the picture??? Victorino a Free Agent. No catcher in the farm system. Cholly 70 something years old. Amaro reminds me of the kid on “The Jetson’s” with the propellar on his head…just a little boy getting outsmarted by men. He was always Gillick’s puppet….learned nothing but how to waste money. This team has not improved at all this winter….Our pitching from top to Lidge is not enough to win a championship.

     
  • Posts: 0 SAMSOAP

    a part of the farm system is to facilitate trades…its working

     
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    Here’s another fun thing about this whole situation, Anything goes wrong with 1 pitcher in our starting rotation we will be able to do nothing in terms of trading for a pitcher at the deadline. Our current Starting rotation is Halladay, Hamels, Happ, Blanton, and Kendrick or moyer (or some1 i’m unaware of)

    Now Halladay and Hamels i’m not concerned about, neither am I with Blanton, he’s been fairly consistent at being decent, but I am definitely worried about that 5th spot, I don’t think there is a starting pitcher in either Moyer or Kendrick and what do we do then? Do we go further into our depleted Farm system and trade to get a mid season replacement to keep us competitive? Furthermore, say our 5th spot is shaky, but what do we do if Happ goes into a sophomore slump? There is no guarantee that he is able to continue what he did 1 season ago…

    We have locked ourselves into the rotation that we start next season off with, hopefully we get Chan Ho Park to come back who can help bull pen and also provide us with a pitcher we can use to possibly start if something goes wrong.

    Just my .02

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Two things not mentioned about the prospects involved:

    The three the Phils gave up are all closer to the major leagues than the three they got from Seattle. That counts for something.

    The prospects they gave up to get Lee in the first place were also closer, with the exception of Knapp. Marson actually played last year, and Donald was protected in the Rule 5 draft.

    Whether or not any of these guys are equal in upside, I’d still take the ones I could use the soonest, especially with potential free agents in the near future.

    Remember, that with the $20 million going to Halladay in 2011, the Phils won’t have the money to re-sign anyone, such as Werth, Blanton, or Victorino. Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez will not be ready by then. Taylor and Drabek would have been.

     
  • Posts: 0 george

    the polanco signing wasn’t anygood either he’s what 35 now and is on a decline and he gives him a 3 year deal?amaro is tearing apart this team signing all these old guys and trading away our entire farm system for 2 players and one of em leaving now for basically nothing in return.

     
  • Posts: 0 george

    they’ll be able to keep victorino,but i don’t think their keeping werth since halladay is making $20 mil and they gotta get ready and offer howard a big contract extension his is running up.

     
  • Posts: 0 Just Crushed

    Moyer should back the 8 million he is stealing from us this year and let us keep Lee. And to my friend SamSoap…I agree and now we have nothing left to give for the next 5 years. George is also correct…don’t expect little Amaro to be able to resign anyone. Of course…he is incapable of signing anyone who is under 32 anyway.

     
  • Posts: 0 Buster Heyman

    My bad on the Baseball America reference. I stand corrected. I apologize for being a bit harsh too, but I’ve been debating this all day. For what it’s worth, I enver thought I’d see the day where we were debating which Cy Young winner we wanted as our ace. In a perfect world we would have both but the Phillies have never been perfect which makes this time so wonderful to be a fan. I will go to bed tonight, happy that we have the best pitcher in baseball. As for Lee, I nor shall anyone who saw it, ever forget what he did for this club down the stretch and in the postseason. Truly a pleasure to watch him pitch for the home team.

     
  • Posts: 0 SAMSOAP

    What is the weakness of our farm system…Infield prospects…What is strength…Pitching and OF…Why didnt Amaro atleast get their top SS prospect in the deal….Truinfald ( something like that) he is supposed to be in their top five prospects

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    I also don’t think we got Halladay at “below market value.” He would have required an extension from any team, so he was of value to only the few teams who could do that. The Yanks and Sox didn’t want to pay the price Toronto was asking; he may not have agreed to go to the Angels. Toronto had to get rid of him, and if really pressed, would probably have given him up for less. Halladay cost three top prospects, not much less than he would have cost mid-summer, when a team would have gotten him for one and a half years even without an expensive extension. The Phils didn’t overpay, but they certainly didn’t get him at a bargain basement price.

     
  • Posts: 0 cxl72

    Don’t overlook the powerful precedent this sets for future free agents. Guys like Jayson Werth that have said they want to play here will see that they can’t play out their contract and leave us holding the bag. Look for Amaro to extend Werth soon.

     
  • Posts: 0 Just Crushed

    Amaro isn’t smart enough to extend Werth (and remember the ownership said we don’t have the money…because Amaro blew it on players like Moyer). Read Jayson Starks article on ESPN. Cliff Lee is pissed about this and the way he was treated by Amaro. He loved it here…..Watch him win 20 games for Seattle…just watch.

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    I was always under the impression that Brown and Taylor would replace Werth and Ibanez, since they’d essentially replace the production for much less money.

    With Taylor gone and Brown likely to take over for Ibanez in a few years, extending Werth should be an avenue to explore relatively soon.

     
  • Posts: 0 Just Crushed

    Fact: 2010 Salaries
    Moyer 8 million…done at end of 2010
    Blanton 7 million…Free Agent at end of 2010
    Lee 9 million…Free Agent at end of 2010

    Look what we got Moyer and Blanton.
    Look what we could have had…Halladay and Lee

    Who would you much rather have?

    In the great Salary dump of 2009, Amaro gives away Cliff Lee instead of the old man and fat boy who eat up 17 million. An embarrassing moment indeed, one that will make us the laughing stock of baseball for years.

     
  • Posts: 0 BS

    Anyone else think Halladay and Utley are going to become best buds? Everything I read about Halladay makes it sound like he’s the pitchers version of Chase. Maybe Roy can also teach Cole how to throw a proper curveball.

     
  • Posts: 0 cxl72

    Cliff Lee overplayed his hand and is now in Seattle which is one of the most remote outposts of MLB. We may see Ryan Howard traded this time next year if he wants to maximize his value and go the FA route if anyone will take his $20mil 2011 pricetag. If you want to test free agency you may get shipped out.

    Another byproduct is no worries about the Mets or another team getting Halladay and jamming up the Phillies. Just like last year getting Lee kept him off the Dodgers. You can’t underestimate how valuable keeping him away from the competition was to the 2009 Phils.

    Also, its huge to have our rotation set in December and the Phils should be favored to win the NL East by at least 5 games. Will they win the 2010 World Series? Who knows? A lot has to go right.

    But they’ve made the 2010 season a little clearer by taking the best pitcher in baseball off the market.

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    But this wasn’t about money, it was about prospects. It wasn’t a salary dump. If it was strictly a salary dump, Blanton would have been non-tendered, or he or Moyer would have been traded for absolutely nothing.

    Don’t lose sight of that. This was about prospects. Which is fine. Amaro just should have sat on it for a few weeks and gotten better prospects, because this wasn’t enough of a return if he wanted to trade Cliff Lee so badly.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    Even if it’s about prospects we still have a right to be mad as we didn’t consult any other teams about what they’d give up for Cliff Lee…

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    Agreed. That was the entire point of the article. The point was be mad.

     
  • Posts: 0 Just Crushed

    I wish Harry Kalas was still here to help clear this up! I am sure he is looking down on this.

     
  • Posts: 0 cxl72

    Corey,

    It doesnt appear that this was part of some big elaborate plan that played out perfectly. Why bid on Brandon Lyon last week, drop Feliz, give Polanco $6mil and offer Blanton arbitration if they had this up their sleeve. If they paid 1/2 Moyer’s salary I’m sure he would be “tradeable”. They could have freed up money if they would have prepared a bit more. Did they have to wait until last week to understand Cliff Lee’s demands??

    I don’t “hate” where they are at right now but I don’t believe it was some grand plan with Rube as a brilliant puppet master cackling right now based on his brilliant strategy.

     
  • Posts: 0 kaushal

    THE DEAL HAS NOT GON THROUGH YET. THERE COULD BE WAY MORE TO THIS

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I like Aumont. When he gets healthy well see how well he develops. He reminds me of Lowe a bit, but as a power reliever. Hard hard sinker. Ramirez and Gilles have upside. The Phillies sitll have PLENTY of money left to get a late inning reliever and a 5th starter.

    THey werent gonna keep Lee, so they traded their prospects for FOUR YEARS of Halladay, which is fine with me.

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    CXL72, I completely agree. What perturbs me the most about this is the lack of planning. If this were some elaborate scheme, it would have made more baseball sense to either non-tender or trade Blanton for absolutely nothing, and just take the 2 first-round picks after Cliff Lee leaves next season.

    Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez are all a ways away from major-league ready. So why not have an epic 2010 season and get 2 first-rounders in next years draft? That way, you can literally PICK the prospects you want. And they’d only be two-years “less-ready” than the package the Phils got from Seattle.

    The craziest part about it is, even though the draft picks would be two/three years behind Aumont, Gillies, Ramirez, the Phillies don’t NEED THEM UNTIL THEN ANYWAY! Halladay is here until 2013, but probably 2015 since there is definitely one vesting option and probably a second one according to Jayson Stark. Most of this current nucleus will be here until 2013. Even if certain guys’ contracts are up before then, they’ll still be here because they’ll sign new contracts.

    Just awful planning.

     
  • Posts: 0 cxl72

    Maybe its the cold weather or the Halliday madness but I expect Kendrick to be a useful starter and win at least 10 games for us. He showed me some things down the stretch. Maybe Halliday can teach KK a few things.

     
  • Posts: 0 cxl72

    Spot on Corey. I can’t wait for the press conference tomorrow to learn more. Take care….

     
  • Posts: 0 SpankyYankee

    Ha Ha Ha …what a deal you’d think Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi made it for with a little help from the “anointed one”…..bad bad bad….guess we won’t be seeing you guys in November next year…oh well ..if ya don’t want to spend the money ….but make sure you fill those seats….and drink that beer so the owners ….who by the way they have more money then old George S. does only difference is he’ll spend it ….your cigar sucking owners won’t…..they know you will flock to the park….you get what the owners deem good enough…..difference with the 2009 WORLD SERIES NEW YORK YANKESS’S is they fill the seats home or away….you guys still second rate….only filled at home …..you know at that bar where the guy got his brains kicked in by other philly fans…split his head open like the liberty bell….any way look at the back end of the contract …..your wonderful owners are going to crap-out something like $20,000,000…now thats a big POOP!…..Maybe Hamels can teach Roy how to fake injuries and only pitch after 7:00pm. I think the owners were a little short in thinking this is the best they could do….you can bet the prices are gonna go alot higher over the next few years….and I heard from my friend at 610 radio they are gonna charge for tissues….so bring your own hankie…says Spankee Yankee….only in YANKEE LAND can you have your cake and eat it too…..going for number 28 in 2010…….Hasta la vista Babies

     
  • Posts: 0 Stuart

    I dont know how anyone isnt upset. I dont care, DONT CARE, what kind of prospects we got back or gave or whatever. I want to win when we can win. I am extremely happy about having Halladay for long term. That is awesome. That is worth the prospects. But why are we getting rid of Lee? Trade blanton for a bottle of beer and a cigar to smoke when youre on the World Series parade float. Could anyone beat us in the playoffs with our lineup and a 1 2 punch of Halladay and Lee. So stop comparing the prospects. I dont care. I want to win now. In 5 years we might be good, we might be bad but we dont know. Right now were good, and had a shot to be the best and we blew it. RAJ dropped the ball on this one. Let one of the best rotations in baseball slip away.

     
  • Posts: 0 Stuart

    One thing to keep in mind. Not as much has been said about the Lee deal. Really all I heard was that it was a three team deal. Once it turned into two seperate deals it died down a bit. There was talk of the Phillies prospects going to Seattle. But all the articles I find and the stuff on the mariners website says they are close. You think maybe it wont go through? We can only hope right.

     
  • Posts: 0 kaushal

    thats exactly what im thinking. i have seen nothing of the lee deal for hours now. since the news broke about the hallway specifics. maybe something else is going on

     
  • Posts: 0 jt

    ruben did drop the ball on this one…why not trade blanton even if it means getting nothing in return and keep lee?why don’t moyer just retire because either way he’s not gonna be a starter all he’s doing is robbing us of money greedy bastard resigning him for 2 years was a big mistake.

     
  • Posts: 0 wbodisc

    It’s hard to call a team with the Phils’ payroll cheap. But if these moves aren’t about money, how come Drabek was untouchable in July when we had a world championship to defend, but is suddenly available now that ownership can get Halladay’s name on a contract for less than Lee would cost?

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Corey why don’t you as the common thread to these 3 teams? Pat Gillick. I might imagine he would have a pretty good idea.

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    The key to all this is Cole Hamels:

    If he pitches this year like we all know he can, then the Phils will have the best 1-2 punch in baseball and we’ll all forget about Cliff Lee by midseason.

    But if Hamels struggles again this year, we’ll spend the entire season wishing we had Halladay, Lee, Hamels instead of just Halladay and Hamels.

    Here’s hoping the kid is practicing a cutter at this very moment……

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    If this trade was a Pat Gillick creation, how come the Orioles weren’t the fourth team?
    :)

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Orioles could use a starter (or 2) plenty of good looking young prospects there –
    It’s going to be a fantastic summer – I dont think I’ve felt this much optimism since eh, last spring – GO PHILS!

     
  • Posts: 0 SAMSOAP

    Corey two questions…did deadline to offer arbitration come before the Halliday thing came up if so they were already tied into Blanton and Durbin…I can see management saying we will not sign off on Halliday unless you clear salary immediately…I would have given Rube the next two months he couldve moved Blanton…there are reports he couldnt get right prospects for Blanton…who cares…He needed to go for it…Also why didnt Rube get any Infield prospects we are loaded in OF and P ( i know you can never have enough P)..aghhhhh!

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Wow, I feel like I just won a Ferrari and then totaled it without any insurance. This hurts. I am shocked that Lee is gone – I was excited to have him here again. The reality is they could only keep one of them for any length of time – they chose Halliday. But the deal for Lee was pretty terrible, I’m surprised.
    Well, that said it isn’t over yet Rueban could still pull off another deal and probably will.
    Halliday is awesome – awesome. Lee had a decent year and a fantastic play-offs but I think Halliday is the better pitcher – 20 wins and maybe 25 is not out of the question. The guy is a devestating pitcher, I watched almost every game from late June to his last start – he was the best pitcher I watched last year.
    I will miss Clifford though, he proved he could be awesome too.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    A right handed strike out pitcher – if Cole is back on focus, I can see easily 400 (+) strike outs between the 2.

    Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball today. And he’s ours until 2014.

    Sweet

     
  • Posts: 0 Nationals #1

    pat gillick made ruben give lee to seattle

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Aumont had his physical. Deals done. Deal with it people. This is about trying to have some farm system. And the reality that we should be in good shape this year regardless.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2010516843_phillippe_aumont_takes_physica.html

     
 
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