The State of the Phillies
Posted by Corey Seidman, Sun, December 13, 2009 04:35 AM | Comments: 44
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The 2010 Phillies will be a vastly different team than the 2009 Phillies, or for that matter, the 2008 World Series champs. That can be said with certainty for several different reasons – fresh faces, different chemistry, year-to-year fluctuation of performance, and, most importantly, the fact that any season in any professional sport is based on an unquantifiable amount of “luck.”
It can be said that a team makes its own luck based on the talent level of its players, but there’s also a degree of magic that each team either has or doesn’t have in any given year that is not solely determined by how talented it may be.
For example, think about all of the games that Raul Ibanez almost single-handedly won for the Phils in April and May. Was that due to his early success that led to a city-wide love affair between the then newcomer and his new place of business, that in turn led to soaring confidence? Was it due to the new dimensions he was playing in, or the fact that many of the pitchers he was facing were unfamiliar with an American League-lifer?
Ibanez’ season numbers (.272/.347/.552, 34 homers, 93 RBI,) were very good, but when we explain the 2009 Phillies to our children, we will describe Ibanez’ season as fantastic or stellar, or [insert positive adjective here.] This is because it was the timing of those 34 homers and those 93 RBI that single-handedly determined outcomes of games. If I believed in such a term, I’d say that Ibanez was the definition of “clutch” during the inaugural months of the 2009 season.
In contrast, look at the 2009 Philadelphia 76ers, a team that has talent, but the inability to score and make defensive stops when it matters most. The result? A 5-18 record, twelve consecutive losses, and countless last-minute defeats. They lack the timing, the magic, and the luck that a team needs to succeed, but not the talent.
Those first five paragraphs were designed to explain that, although the 2010 Phillies will feature many of the same names and faces that we’ve grown accustomed to over this unbelievable stretch of success, that fact alone does not assure them of another National League crown, or even a fourth straight National League East crown.
Think about the 2005-06 Eagles. After losing to the Patriots in the Super Bowl following the 2004 season, the mindset of most fans was, “It’s okay, we’ll be back next year. We’re going to Detroit.” We felt that way because we knew the key components of that team would be back. (And we didn’t figure that a guy would do something career-threatening and mind-numbingly stupid like, I don’t know, do sit-ups in his driveway.)
Even though we don’t know the Phillies have another great year ahead of them, we do know that they are positioned better than approximately 27 other teams as of today. And with the experience gained from a bunch of playoff games and a good amount of adversity along the way, it’s hard to imagine the Phils not succeeding. So, even though anything discussed right now is speculative because the games aren’t played on paper, it’s December, and paper’s all we’ve got!
Placido Polanco
Love the move. Applauded audibly in my apartment in State College when I woke up and saw the story break on MLBTradeRumors.com, (a site that I wish I came up with when I was nine years old.) As I stated here, Polanco represents the best upgrade at the hot corner because he adds a new dimension to an already potent lineup.
He won’t strike out, he’ll produce runs with a man on third and less than two out, and you can bet the farm (if you operate and maintain a farm) that he’ll produce a .300/.350/.410 slash-line in 2010.
Yes, there are question marks on the defensive end. He hasn’t played third base since 2005, when Allen Iverson was here for the first time and George W. Bush was in the first year of his second term. But Polanco has been one of the top-three defensive second baseman in major league baseball for several years now, and was tops among all second baseman in 2009 (that Utley fella was second.) Third base includes more reaction and less range than second base, but don’t you want a 34 year-old going to the position that requires less range, rather than vice versa?
The terms of Polanco’s contract are not bad at all, despite the knee-jerk opinions that people furiously fired away on Twitter. A three-year/$18 million deal is exactly what I proposed in the article that argued on Polanco’s behalf, and that’s what Ruben Amaro gave him. Polanco will make $5M his first year, followed by $5.25M and $6.25M in the next two years. The rest of the money was paid out in bonuses and won’t affect what shows up on the payroll.
There is an option for a fourth season at $5.5M, but that option is mutual, meaning both the team and Polanco must agree to it in order for it to take effect. If Polanco has failed to live up to his contract by 2013, the Phils can say adios. If he is still producing, $5.5M is STILL a steal. As a point of reference, Kevin Correia will make $3.6M next year. Five or six million dollars may be more money than we all know what to do with, but in baseball terms, it isn’t a significant financial commitment, especially for a player as consistent as Polanco.
Lastly, the Phillies have NO answers at third base in the farm system. Anthony Hewitt was drafted in the first round two years ago to be the Phils’ third baseman of the future, but he’s struck out 132 times and drawn 16 walks in two seasons in the lowest levels of the minor leagues. He’s slashed .214/.255/.363 and he committed 26 errors in 56 games at third base last year. Nobody in this organization is holding their breath for an internal option to emerge.
Ross Gload
The terms of Gload’s two-year deal are still undisclosed, but the Phils have signed him to, essentially, fill Matt Stairs’ role. Gload, a left-handed hitting first baseman and outfielder, led the majors with 21 pinch-hits in ’09 for the Florida Marlins. Last year might have been an apparition, but if not, the Phils will head into the 2010 season with two top-flight lefty pinch-hitters in Gload and Greg Dobbs. While this may spell the end for everybody’s “favorite-baseball-player-who-looks-more-like-a-roofer,” the fact that Stairs scuffled heavily in ’09 cannot be hidden.
Brian Schneider
I love this move just for the simple fact that it means Paul Bako will not be returning in 2010. No disrespect to all seven of Bako’s fans out there, but there simply is no justfication for this guy still being in the major leagues. He hasn’t hit over .235 since 1999. (And, for anyone who went and looked that up in an attempt to prove me wrong – no, Bako’s 4o at-bats in 2005 don’t qualify.)
Literally ANY Double-A or Triple-A catcher could be a backup catcher in place of Bako and provide the same production (with more upside,) as well as a cheaper contract. And if anybody says anything about Bako “handling a pitching staff well,” I’m going to react like Ruxin on “The League” did when Antonio Gates torched him in Week Two. That phrase means absolutely nothing and is only used to excuse a lack of offensive production from a catcher.
Schneider, a left-handed hitting Phillie-killer, is coming off a horrible year and I do declare (Michael Scott-voice) that the Phils overpaid to sign him. Not because $3M is a ton of money or he won’t be worth it, but because he could have been signed for two years/$2.25M instead. Oh well.
Schneider built a reputation as being a very good defensive catcher, and anybody who has followed the Phillies over the last decade knows that he has the ability to deliver big hits. He is a viable backup backstop and won’t be a terrible hole in the lineup if Carlos Ruiz happens to go down for a few weeks in mid-July.
Juan Castro
As with Schneider, I like the signing because it spells the end of someone else’s tenure with the Phillies – one Eric Bruntlett. Castro carries a mediocre stick but plays every infield position, and since literally any major leaguer is an upgrade over Bruntlett, Castro can only help the Phils.
DeWayne Wise, Wilson Valdez, Cody Ransom
Wise is the guy who made the unbelievable catch in center field to save Mark Buehrle’s perfect game. He’s a left-handed hitting outfielder with speed who can be used as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement. If he makes the major league roster, he’ll contribute.
Valdez was one of the 9,461 players the Mets tried out at a middle-infield position last year. He probably won’t make the major league roster. If he does, it will be because he outdid Juan Castro in spring training as the utility infielder.
Ransom is a right-handed hitting utility infielder who made 18 starts at third base for the Yankees last year. He was invited to Spring Training so that there are enough able bodies to play in the Grapefruit League. (Who named the Grapefruit League? Why is it named the Grapefruit League? Because Florida produces a lot of grapefruit? If so, why can’t it be called the Cocaine League, the Social Security League, or the Illegal Immigration League?)
Say No to Halladay
At this point, I hope the Phillies don’t land Roy Halladay. As several writers pointed out earlier this week, the Phils would likely have to trade Joe Blanton in order to make room for the hefty $15.75M Halladay is due in 2010. This would mean that, in addition to trading J.A. Happ and Dominic Brown/Michael Taylor, there would be no more Blanton, and probably no more Chan Ho Park or Scott Eyre either because their price tags would also be too steep for the $140M payroll that management has mandated.
It also means that the Phils would probably not re-sign Cliff Lee, but instead opt to give Halladay a long-term extension. I’d rather have Lee long-term, because he’s a year younger, has less mileage in his arm, and doesn’t carry an injury history as long as Halladay’s.
Relievers on the Market
The Astros confused everybody by giving Brandon Lyon $300 million over two years to be a late-inning reliever on a 75-win team. (NB: 3 yrs/$15M was the actual overpayment.) Rafael Soriano accepted arbitration and was shipped to Tampa. That leaves Fernando Rodney and Mike Gonzalez as potential late-inning relievers for the Phils to sign, or a guy like John Smoltz, whose name has been linked to the team often in recent days.
Rodney would not fit well here and the Phils would likely have to dole out big bucks to get him. Gonzalez is coming off of a very good year, but he missed most of 2007 and 2008 to injuries. He’s struggled with a lack of command in his career and is not the ideal compliment to J.C. Romero, the Phillies current “effectively wild” lefty.
Smoltz would be a good signing because it would be a one-year, likely incentive-laden deal. He could pitch the seventh, the eighth, or even the ninth if needbe. He could also make a spot start in case of an emergency.
Brett Myers
I understand that the Phils decided to part ways with Myers a long time ago, but it makes sense for them to re-visit the pros and cons of having Myers on the team. Like Smoltz, Myers would be a flexible pitcher who could pitch the middle innings, the late innings, be a long reliever, or even a spot starter. He wouldn’t command a ton of money and could probably be had for less than Rodney or Gonzalez. Myers is more proven than either of those pitchers and possesses much more versatility.
Ruben Amaro
Amaro seems to know what he’s doing. The lack of confidence during free agency doesn’t exist with Amaro like it once did with Ed Wade, who is now doing a good job of screwing up a directionless team in Houston. (Yes, I know that owner Drayton McLane only makes it harder for Wade to do his job, but come on – that much money for Lyon when you have holes at catcher, second, and short? Yeesh!)
If the worst thing you can say about our GM is that he’s slightly overpaid with Ibanez and Polanco, well, maybe you need to wake up and realize how good you’ve got it.
















Posts: 0 ashmidt
hey corey,that was a great post, i have to agree with all that you said. thanks.
Posted: 09:46 AM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 ashmidt
except the part about bringing back myers, the dude is white trash. good riddance.
Posted: 09:48 AM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Red McNertney
Nice write-up, Corey. The part about Myers, while I agree with ashmidt about Myers being white trash, I do think that he could be worth a second thought. He is indeed versatile. He does have talent, he is a major head case, though.
Posted: 10:19 AM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Karen
I am a broken record with my support for happ on the 2010 phillies team. I love the starting rotation (unsure on hamels at times).
For me, cliff lee is our guy. Who can deny what he has done since he joined the phils. He was awesome in the postseason and definately has a couple good years ahead of him.
I feel that the team of today was born because of our farm system. There are some options down there especially drabek. Brown, taylor. Keep them, develop them and build on that.
Posted: 10:45 AM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Adam
Loved it, agree with almost all of it.
1) As a former pitcher, I can tell you that “handling a pitching staff well” is pretty important for a catcher. I think dismissing it is a little amateur of you. That isn’t to say Bako did that… he had no redeeming qualities. Every time he came up with runners on base and less than 2 outs, I prayed for a backwards K. Welcome home, Brian!
2) Castro is a Latin-American Bruntlett. I see no difference between them. A zero-impact guy for a zero-impact guy. Except the beard. You’ll miss the beard. You called it though, I think Valdez will beat him out. At least Valdez bats from the right and doesn’t round the bases with a walker.
3) Not that I’ve followed him that closely, but doesn’t Halladay have like 2 injuries ever and one was a broken leg from a freak line drive? I’ve never heard anyone call him an injury risk. Just the opposite actually, I was under the impression he was always praised for his durability. Am I wrong, Dude? AM I WRONG?
Also, on the same point, I think Chan Ho and Eyre are out anyway. Maybe Eyre comes back (and I’d like them both), but I’m not holding my breath.
4) Just wanted to add that I’d love to get Myers as a reliever. 3-4MM/yr would make him a steal. But if Rube is just sick of him… well that’s understandable.
Can’t wait to see what happens with that pen. Maybe guys like Mathieson can step up? Positive thinking or a pipe dream… one of the two.
Posted: 11:34 AM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Scott
Great post by the way I think you have to add Matt Capps to the possabilities. I was shocked to see him let go. He could be a high reward low risk type player
Posted: 11:51 AM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Nice article. Only thing is the following is not going to happen. No way Phils pay 5/100.
I’d rather have Lee long-term, because he’s a year younger, has less mileage in his arm, and doesn’t carry an injury history as long as Halladay’s.
Posted: 11:57 AM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Manny
Condrey non-tendered :(
Durbin, Blanton, Victorino, Ruiz each offered ’10 contracts
From the MLB website…
Posted: 12:16 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova
I am glad to see some bringing up Mathieson’s name. He was one if not the most dominant 1-2 inning guy in our system, and he has major league experience.
I think he will be on the opening day roster.
i would like to see them sign a Smoltz, move Moyer to the bullpen permanently when he is healthy, he was great from that role at the end last year.
If you can get Myers cheap go for it, but I agree I think Ruben is fed up with his crap.
I think management may make an exception about the payrole number if we were able to pick up Halladay. Yes we would have to get rid of Blanton to do that, but if we could include Blanton in the deal and not Happ we would be set.
I mean it is a tough situation, just have to see how it pans out.
So what I see now if we do not do any deals for Halladay is this
Lee
Hamels
Blanton
Happ
(Kendrick,Moyer)(or any rookie in Spring Training that wows them, Drabek etc.)
Lidge
Romero
Madson
(Moyer, Kendrick)
Mathieson
TBA (maybe rule 5 pitcher)
TBA
That would 12 pitchers
Howard
Utley
Rollins
Polanco
Werth
Victorino
Ibanez
Ruiz
Bench
Dobbs
Schneider
Gload
(Castro,Valdez)
(Wise, maybe Michael Taylor, John Mayberry)
I know many will disagree but this is what I see as options as of now with out adding anything else
The Parenthesis are possibilites.
Still a lot of work, but the best is that we have the core still here, thats why it is imperative to act now not just fill holes with bandaids.
Posted: 12:17 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova
okay add Durbin to bullpen
Posted: 12:18 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 karen
I am not whining…not trying to be negative. but is anyone else worried about lidge? if he is still not good and is blowing games, then what?
Posted: 12:24 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Ed R.
I gotta say, I am surprised that Eyre has not agreed to a contract yet. I figured with his obvious desire to play in Philly that he would have gotten it done by now. Not to mention, last year when all of his money and assets were frozen due to the Madoff scandal, the team fronted him some pay checks so he and his family could keep it going. One would think you would return the favor. I’m not saying he should play for free but he should give them something of a break. IMO
Posted: 12:28 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 George
I disagree with some of your comments concerning catchers. Handling a pitching staff IS important, and is why people like Bako, Brad Ausmus, and numerous others have long careers. It’s also the reason why most teams don’t opt for “ANY Double-A or Triple A-catcher” as their backup. As far as whether the Phils could have signed Schneider for “2 years/2.5M instead,” that’s only opinion based on absolutely no facts. Or do you know what other teams were offering?
I also doubt Myers could be had for less money than Gonzalez or Rodney. I also doubt his flexibility. When he was switched around in the past, he injured his shoulder at first, and then couldn’t find a groove as a starter again until he was shipped to AAA. You’d have to pick a role for him and keep him there. He’s not like John Smoltz, and he’s not worth what he’d get if he could only be a middle reliever. The Phils, rightfully, cut him loose, and won’t revisit this decision.
Posted: 12:32 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 christopher
i don’t like the team declining to make an offer to condrey. the guy was obviously unspectacular but i thought he filled his roll very nicely and pitching is getting way overpaid on the market. what happened to ruben saying they were going to try to keep their own core guys when it came to the pitching staff?
Posted: 01:09 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Phan in Atl
As it stands right now, only the Braves are in the Phils way of a 4th NL East title/ NL pennant. I don’t wanna hear about St. Louis, LA, Colorado, etc. The Braves are a power hitter away from returning to prominence. Right now, our pitching, both starting and maybe bullpen, is below Atlanta’s. Solidify the bullpen and get a #3 type pitcher (Z. Duke?). Forget Doc. The ’08 version of Hamels Lee would have put us over the Yankees. We don’t need Doc to win the division, NLCS, WS next year. We need a better bullpen, an improved Cole, and a solid middle of rotation starter. Everything else is in place.
Posted: 01:10 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 John Russo
Great read and I’m starting to re-think my Halladay considerations
Posted: 01:14 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
Any catcher at the major league level is capable of “handling a pitching staff.” It is an overused phrase that is mentioned ONLY when talking about awful offensive catchers, as a way to mention them in a somewhat positive light.
I ask you, why is Joe Mauer never credited for “handling a pitching staff?” How about Victor Martinez, or Bengie Molina, or Brian McCann, or any catcher with ANY offensive prowess? I’ll tell you why, because there is no need to place a useless label on a guy who is actually, ya know…GOOD!
If you noticed, the “he handles a pitching staff well” label didn’t start defining Jason Varitek until all of his offensive skills declined and there was no longer a reason to justify him starting.
I am also a former pitcher, I pitched at a semi-competitive level for seven years, I know the impact a catcher has on a pitcher at the amateur level. But at the major league level, when every catcher has been handling pitchers his ENTIRE LIFE, every single catcher is capable of “handling a pitching staff.”
Excuse me if I don’t think Paul Bako running out to the mound and putting his hand on his pitcher’s lower back to calm him down warrants him a roster spot or excuses his inability to do anything with a baseball bat.
Posted: 01:19 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Red McNertney
Scott — excellent point about Matt Capps being a low-risk, high reward type relief pitcher. He’s young with closers’ experience. Worth the risk because he has had success.
Posted: 01:59 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Red McNertney
Karen — I feel that we desperately need someone who can close games. I am worried about Lidge, too. Will he be healthy and will he stay healthy? We need to look at Matt Capps, John Smoltz and anyone with some “successful experience” as a closer who is also willing to work in middle relief until needed.
Posted: 02:11 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Red McNertney
Juan Castro stinks — let’s face it. Even if he is better than Eric Bruntlett, he still stinks and is 38 years old. COme on, Ruben!!! WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER JUAN URIBE, WHO CAN PLAY ALL INFIELD POSITIONS, HAS POWER AND IS ONLY 31? Is he a nut job? bad teammate? refuses to play utility? Please advise. I do not know why we are not after this guy. We could get him for $2 million a year. What an upgrade he would be over Juan Castro.
Posted: 02:16 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 rob5000
What kinda bullsh*t does semi-competitive mean?
Posted: 02:33 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 ashmidt
sounds like anover 30 league rob.
Posted: 02:42 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
Div. A in Phila. HS public league for four years. I’m 20, so it would be rather hard to play in an over-30 league.
Not really sure why it matters. That sentence was only used to respond to someone who said I was wrong in assuming a catcher has no impact on a pitcher.
Posted: 02:50 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 rob5000
Hmmm… comments seem to be disappearing. I was only joking, I had just never heard the term semi-competitive before. HS ball is certainly competitive, I played myself and took it very seriously, not to mention learned a whole lot.
I agree with your assessment of the term “handles the pitching staff well”, it’s silly.
Posted: 03:47 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Andrew
Re: Bako
You figure your back up catcher gets what 50-75 Abs a year? So the difference bwtween a .300 hitter and ..235 is? 2-3 hits?
At some point people will understand that catchers arent supposed to hit. If the do it is nice like a pitcher getting a hit. Ill take schneider over bako for sure but to talk about Bakos bat is retarded. Like talking about Myers or Hamels hitting.
Posted: 04:10 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Andrew
Why did Piazza the gratest offensive catcher ever basicly suck? And Carlos Ruiz has alread had a more productive and better career. Id put Carlos in the HOF long before Piazza. Get a grip.
Posted: 04:12 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
Well, if you’d put Carlos Ruiz in the Hall of Fame before Mike Piazza….I’m not even sure there are words in the English language that can be used to argue. I could throw stat-after-stat, observation-after-observation to show you why that makes no sense, but if you’re making an outlandish claim like Ruiz > Piazza, reason obviously isn’t a big part of your argument anyway, so nevermind.
Bako had 116 at-bats in 2009. He would have needed 9 additional hits to hit .300. Nine more hits result in a few more runs scored and the difference of ~1 win. That is significant. Very significant. Bako is an average defender with no bat. I’m not sure how you can justify being okay with a giant hole in a batting order. But ok.
Posted: 04:20 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 I dont like dipsy
This team will not WIN the big game again. Jr. is an idiot. We still have no pitching. Worrying about Planco who is 40 on the downside. Condrey, Lidge, Madson, are all overrated. Hamels is a one hit wonder. Lee did great in the postseason but we saw what he did for a 6 game span. The phillies are like the Flyers and Eagels. Just cant get it done. The flyers are horrible. DEVILS RULE BABY.
Posted: 04:35 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 The Tom
Phillies should sign Matt Capps at a lower number and John Smoltz and a older but I think we can get Atlanta to eat some money and get Derek Lowe. Without a good number 3 we arent going to win the World Series. Happ was great last year dont get me wrong. He is gonna have a step back before he can step forward. He will be 12-8 with around a mid 4 era this year I feel, but will have to make adjustments that will make him better. All great pitchers have this period. I think the Phillies rotation needs another top arm to make it good.
Another Arm would give us a chance to get 170-205 innings from our top 3 starters and limiting the pens abuse.
Posted: 04:48 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
Derek Lowe is an intriguing name because the Braves are looking to move him due to an excess of starting pitching (even though that doesn’t truly exist, as the Phillies have shown in recent years.)
But I would doubt the Braves would be willing to trade Lowe to an NL East foe, and if they do, they certainly won’t be paying a good portion of his contract. Lowe will make $15M a year for the next three years, so if the Braves are unwilling to pay some of that, the Phils DEFINITELY will not pursue him. He’d be more of a financial commitment than Roy Halladay.
Not sure how I feel about Matt Capps. He’s coming off of a dreadful season and he’s never had impressive strikeout numbers. He was awesome in 2007 and 2008, though, and his BB/9 numbers have usually been great.
Capps made $2.425 million last year and will likely only command $3M a year after that horrid 2009 campaign. The Phils might be able to sign him to a two-year/$6.25M deal. That would be a nice signing.
Smoltz is a must-have.
Posted: 05:43 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 ashmidt
i believe little ruben is a genious, this team is already better then last years . and i dont think hes going to try to fix something that is not broken. if we do pick up halladay i dont think he would give up more then maybe happ and taylor. ruben is in the drivers seat.
Posted: 05:49 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 George
If defense and the ability to handle a pitching staff were not issues at catcher, there would be fewer big bats converted to first basemen. I’ll agree that Scneider is better than Bako, but I’ll still say that Bako would play the uniform off “ANY Double-A or Triple-A catcher.”
The Braves aren’t going to trade Derek Lowe to a division rival. The Phils will have to find someone else.
And why is everyone so concerned over the number 25 man, Castro? He’s definitely an improvement, definitely within budget. Bruntlett was not only lousy, his numbers over the last few years were getting worse. Castro’s weren’t.
And “I dont like dipsy,” please memorize these sentences from “The Tom:”
“He is gonna have a step back before he can step forward…will have to make adjustments that will make him better. ALL GREAT PITCHERS HAVE THIS PERIOD.” (Emphasis, mine.)
The Tom is referring to Happ, but this could also be applied to Hamels, who is also young, (actually, he’s younger than Happ) and whose only setback so far was last year.
Posted: 05:55 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
George – I never said defense was arbitrary with catchers. It’s extremely important and you will never hear me say otherwise. “Handling a pitching staff” was what I ruled insignificant and will always deem so.
Bako is an average defender. He is neither good, nor bad. If he was a very good defensive catcher, I could understand how he keeps bouncing around from team-to-team, never having a successful season. But he isn’t. Schneider on the other hand, is a very good defensive catcher, making him a valuable backup.
Posted: 06:02 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 EL GRINGO GORDO
The Padres signed Correia this weekend for about $3.5 million. So, he if off the “possibilities” list for a starter. I wonder if the ex Yankee Wang would be worth a serious look or is he too damaged in the shoulder area? He tried to come back last year and it did not work out. He was the Ace for the Yanks a couple years ago and won 19 games two years in a row. Anybody have an inside track on this ex star? I think he is only 30 years old.
Posted: 07:21 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
I’d guess the Dodgers end up with Wang. They’re in need of a starter and it would reunite Joe Torre and his former ace. He’s an intriguing name but there are many teams in pursuit of him. The back-and-forth bidding for Wang might price him out of the Phillies range.
He won’t make a ton of money, just more than most teams are willing to spend on a guy coming off multiple injuries and a terrible season.
Posted: 07:34 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 mikemike
dont understand condrey non tender i thought durbin was as effective as condrey. but just my opinion
Posted: 08:18 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 mikemike
mean not as effective as condrey sorry
Posted: 08:19 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
I dont get it either, Durbin at 2+ mil? really? Condrey isnt all that bad for what he does.
Posted: 09:00 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 George
Corey–Bako HAS bounced around without having a successful season, so he must at least be above average defensively. And part of defense, whether you agree or not, is an ability to handle a pitching staff. No pitcher wants to be shaking off his catcher all the time. There have, in fact been, pitchers who refused to throw to certain catchers, or at least preferred a particular backstop. I know you are not saying defense isn’t important, but you must have some strange ideas of what defense is if you think ANY minor leaguer would be a viable replacement for Bako. Marson couldn’t even replace Coste last year, and he was a better than average prospect. It was Bako who replaced Coste, and there was a reason for that besides the July trade.
I’m pleased the Phils upgraded, yes. But I still think your trashing of Bako is unwarranted, and your “handle a staff” arguments are specious.
Posted: 09:18 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
George, if a pitcher has a problem with a certain catcher (i.e. Greg Maddux and Javy Lopez) or has more success with a certain catcher (AJ Burnett with Jose Molina instead of Posada,) that is understandable.
However, no Phillies pitcher has ever done anything but sing the praises of Carlos Ruiz, an elite defensive catcher with whom Charlie Manuel and Rich Dubee have complete faith in to call every single pitch from the 1st to the 9th.
On a team that has an elite defensive catcher who commands the respect of every pitcher on the staff, Paul Bako does not warrant a roster spot. The backup catcher on a team built like that should be a Ramon Castro-type, someone who has power and an above-average bat from the catcher position.
If the Phillies had Javy Lopez catching, Paul Bako would make sense. But they don’t. So the argument that you need a guy like Bako, for an arbitrary reason that makes even less sense when you factor in that Ruiz is BETTER THAN BAKO at it, is hard to agree with.
If analysts didn’t feel the need to feed the public lines like “he handles a pitching staff well” out of laziness and an unwillingness to do actual research and/or homework, this wouldn’t even be a discussion.
Posted: 09:34 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 305 Corey Seidman
Mikemike – Condrey was non-tendered because he’s struggled throughout much of his career other than last year. He had an exceptionally low BABIP last year but EVERY OTHER number was the same, which is evidence that he was getting lucky more often than not.
When you add that fact to his nagging oblique injury, the non-tender isn’t surprising. Entering the offseason, it was evident that Amaro was only going to offer a contract to Durbin OR Condrey.
Posted: 09:44 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Aaron
i stopped reading this when allen iverson was mentioned. dumb to compare the phillies with the sixers or eagles or any other philadelphia team.
Posted: 10:17 PM on December 13, 2009
Posts: 0 Brooks
It seems the table is ready except for the bullpen. I think the starters we have, especially if they bounce back – will be fine.
This is a great time to project, with Lee & Hamels being the starters that hopefully can win us at least 18 games each. Blanton & Happ – if Joe can reach 16 wins as he has in the past and we cannot be sure what Happ is going to bring this year (16 wins would be just dandy) – add the 5th starter (Mathieson? Drabeck? Jamie? Kendrick???) perhaps the starters can come up with over 70 wins.
Which brings it back to the pen (Karen) – Lidge is the key here. If he even starts to show the junk he brought last year, it’s time to go. We have seen perfection from him and then a disaster. Too many holes in the bullpen right now.
I agree with Pat that the Polanco signing was sweet. His defense could be a liability but his offense (hopefully, we have seen the obvious turned inside out) should fill in the voids – we just need consistency.
08 was the Phils BP that got them to the Promised Land. 09 I think it was hitting more than anything – this year, it could be a lethal combination but people, it will not last much longer! Get your tickets now! You’ll be sharing these times with your grandkids!
Posted: 08:26 AM on December 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Marnie Zelazo
Just how do you explain the elements so clearly? I looked up an additional article similar to this and the writer just got me super confused lol. Anyway nice writing variety and incredibly interesting.
Posted: 01:12 PM on July 22, 2010