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Thinking outside the box.

I like it.

There’s no way the Giants would want Ibanez simply because they’re an old team as it is. The only position of youth on the team is their pitching staff. That team needs to get younger I just don’t think the Giants would take that trade unless it was purely a salary dump, because I don’t see them giving up any top notch pitching prospects for 37-38 yr old Raul Ibanez. I like Ibanez but I don’t think the Giants would want to age their outfield any more than it is.

The hypothetical trade sounds crazy, but I like the idea. Lots of ideas pop up around this one.

Don’t we have enough back-end pitching right now?

Romero, Baez, Madson, Lidge .. . I guess you can never have too much

but I wouldn’t sacrifice an everyday player in Ibanez.. to take the downgrade to Francisco and another pitcher for the bullpen (plus prospects)

If we trade anyone.. we need a starting pitcher in return.
I can’t see us moving Ibanez at anytime soon, perhaps at the deadline this year, but more realistically, the deadline next year to an AL team in need of a DH

Let’s hope we don’t have to rely on ibanez to carry the team for the first 4 months of the season like we did last year!

You are joking Don? I hope you are not serious? The giants would laugh at that suggestion. Savery is nothing and Kendrick is a 5 th starter or bullpen guy maybe at best. Savery can’t pitch he will never make the majors, He was typically at 88 or 89 last year with little movement bad secondary stuff and walks a lot of hitters,

Lol. Ibanez is slightly overpaid. When you are making 30k-70k, pretty much you can say any athlete is overpaid.

Prospects are just what they are called, prospects. There is no way to know that Dominic Brown is going to be the next awesome Phillies player. I wouldnt trade anyone away or keep any position warm for a prospect. Have him come up like everyone else and earn his position.

I just think if you were going to trade Raulllllllllllll you would try to get more value for him than a couple mid-tier prospects or whatever. I definitely think a good nap is in order before making up hypothetical situations and ideas like this :)

I don’t understand a few of Amaro’s moves, and a lot of them are with his handling of the bullpen. We have no clue as to what Lidge & Romero will bring to the table in 2010 no matter how postive RAJ tries to be about them. He obviously didn’t want Myers around, and his dismissal of Condrey was even more perplexing. Park was rock solid once he moved to the bullpen last season, and I still don’t see anyone projected to replace him that I have any confidence in.

I’d definitely move Ibanez in the right deal. That was a high risk signing from the start and there’s no concrete proof that his second half decline was due to injury (and even if it was older players tend to get hurt more and take longer to recover).

Raul is a character guy. NO ONE will give us anything for him without us taking back a big portion of his salary. In fact, I think they way to go might be like in the NBA. Trade Raul for a Raul clone who’s contract is up after this year. Ah, yes. The value of the “expiring contract”. We did not need Raul Ibanez in the first place. I know he had a great first half last year and god bless him but this team is built around Rollins / Utley/Howard/Shane/Werth. The rest of the guys need just be barely above fair and should be paid that way. Francisco can go in Raul’s spot no problem. Why spend all the at money for a luxury you don’t really need? And Raul is a luxury we don’t need. I would rather have DeRosa out there.

The Dipsy

Clay was the modern day vulture. He had a nice 1st half but after the double johan smacked off him, he tanked. A bullpen revamp was due. Is bastardo the guy? I think he can be.

Condrey was hurt last season.. and I think has spent time onthe DL every year he’s been with the Phillies?

I liked him, thought he was better than we gave him credit for.. but a change of scenery for Middle Relievers is common .. Baez has experience as a closer, and that makes him more valuable to the phillies I guess

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Clearly I was joking about any trade value Kendrick or Savery might have

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Trading Ibanez would make the team worse.. in the offseason NEXT year, maybe.. but until we have a replacement (which Francisco is not). No trade talks about any of our three ALL STAR OF’s .. please, and thank you

It’s hard to give RAJ big points on his handling of the bullpen so far this offseason, but the way relievers play you might as well flip a coin on whether they’ll be good or not. The one guy out there I wanted that the Phils wanted also was Brandon lyon since he’s been gone you have to just take what you can get. Chan ho is convinced he’s going to start somewhere, we’ll see what happens if those offers don’t work out quite the way he thinks. Would still like to have Eyre back, but I’d imagine if the Phils aren’t offering him a deal it’s because there are serious concerns about recovering from this surgery. On the whole we’ll have to see what the bullpen can give us before we panic too much about it.

I’m comfortable (Barring injuries) with our lineup, bench, and the rotation 1-5 even if it’s Moyer/Kendrick at the bottom. If the pen ends up being our only issue through the season it’s a simpler and easier problem to fix than the rotation issues that RAJ fixed for us last year.

I liked Condrey sine he proved to be one of those ‘Minos’ you could route for but the Phillies pen is going to have to go through a transition at some point and I hope here’s where it begins.

I think we sometimes misread bullpen overvaluing the ERA’s so much as who’s effective, BB/9 and where their giving up their runs. Am really looking forward to seeing a couple of the prospects get broken in even if the ERA’s are underwhelming.

Condrey got a 1 yr deal. I thought I saw just under $1M, but can’t find it now.

The fact Matheison didn’t have any health trouble down the stretch after his return last year suggests good things, to me the question is more a case of whether or not his game is back to being at a major league level.

I might be in a minority here but I’m so excited about guys like Bastardo, Savery, Naylor and several others of these kids we have. As much as I like seeing a guy like Durbin or Park work out I’m sure at least a couple of prospects can either be broken-in for the rotation or be a fixture in the pen and really help give this escalating payroll some flexibility.

Dipsy – thank gosh you aren’t a gm lol.

The point is is that by trading Ibanez for DeRosa, you could save about 6m bucks that you put elsewhere on your team and still have a good player in LF. That 6m would get you Ben Sheets.

The Dipsy

Trading Ibanez is a ridiculous idea. His contract is large and he’s growing old. He’ll do fine, though, I think, for the two years the Phils still have him for; better than any prospects a trade might return, and better by far than Francisco.

Condrey was decent while he was here, but I can see a need for an upgrade, not only due to health concerns, but because he’s never been a closer, which Baez has. Another reason to not sign him was that it’s time to try some of the farmhands in the ‘pen. People like Bastardo, Mathieson, and Escalona aren’t going to do the team any good at AAA now that they’ve had MLB experience. They’re also cheaper options.

I wish people would get off the Park issue. The man not only wants to start, but wanted too much money no matter what his role.

Moyer will not start the season on time, which right now leaves Kendrick, which might not be the end of the world. Vogelsong could be looked at, too. But if spring brings issues with either, then I see the Phils signing another minor league/spring training invitation type. I doubt it will be anyone like the antique Smoltz, or the expensive Sheets, though. Amaro has indicated contact with Myers and Martinez, but he’ll likely wait a bit to see if their prices come down.

Finally, I will address Evan: Many times I too have seen Moyer’s first name mistyped. I’ve also seen Werth listed as Wreth. These are simple mistakes of clumsy fingers, and probably not mistakes of stupidity or diliberate malice. And this time, I haven’t seen any reason on this particular post, or in the comments, to warrant your outburst. Pat Gallen certainly didn’t write “Jaime.”

Bastardo could/should be used as our situational lefty … especially since we’re probably not getting Eyre back :(

Ibanez for DeRosa? You on crack!!!!?

Interesting hypothetical. Although, SF they won’t trade prospects for Ibanez at 100 yrs old when they can have Johnny Damon at 100 yrs old. Let’s face it, I think we have know what we’re going to Spring training with. Hopefully some guys step up and if not, hopefully Amaro acts quickly to correct the situation.

LS

Eyre retired.

“Eyre, 37, will not be playing baseball this summer. He said in a telephone interview Thursday with MLB.com that he is retiring after 13 seasons in the Majors. He finished his career 28-30 with a 4.23 ERA in 617 appearances with the Chicago White Sox, Toronto Blue Jays, San Francisco Giants, Chicago Cubs and Phillies.”

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