Comments on: Odds and Ends: Moyer, Young Pitching, Giants

By: shag beta sigma delta

shag beta sigma delta — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:33:38 +0000

I really think it is too early to talk about trading Raul, or any of the outfielders.
As far as Fransico, I say you let him play more this year resting all three outfield positions. I am not suggesting a total platoon with Raul, but see if you can get the guy 40-50 starts in the outfield, I think it does two things. See if he can be a legitimate outfielder in case you can not keep both Vic and Wreth, and have all three outfielders more rested come Sept. and Oct.
As well as keeping him sharp to PH

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:54:40 +0000

I know he’s not a free agent….but he has one more year, right?

By: Dylan

Dylan — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:37:34 +0000

Werth for Cain….they would prob. listen to that, but I doubt it would happen.

By: Dylan

Dylan — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:36:31 +0000

Buster Posey is going no where. He is the best of the best in their system. We couldn’t get him straight up for Ibanez let alone with other players (Wilson esp.)

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:28:00 +0000

But he’s not a free agent.

The Dipsy

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:58:13 +0000

He would say no….and if I was him I would too. Blanton can get 8-10 per year in this market, I believe.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:02:39 +0000

What do you think Blanton would do if you threw a 3y/21m contract in front of him right now. Sign it or say no?

The Dipsy

By: psujoe

psujoe — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:54:34 +0000

Ok, I’ll bite on the trade.

Ibanez for

Brian Wilson
Fred Lewis
Buster Posey
Scott Barnes

By: Jeff Dowder

Jeff Dowder — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:44:58 +0000

It’s already been rumored that Jayson Werth will be looking for Jason Bay dollars, so I’d be shocked to see him return in 2011.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:42:32 +0000

If Roy Halladay gets $20 MM per year….at a discount….Blanton can get more than $7MM….he’s a VERY GOOD #3 starter….BETTER than “workmanlike” in my opinion. 3/24…or around that might do it.

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Francisco wouldn’t be an “awful, huge dropoff” from Ibanez….and…. to put him in corner outfield position makes more sense than center….(somebody suggested THAT…center….the other day)….I just don’t know what r you’re gonna get for Ibanez in a trade..

By: Pat Gallen

Pat Gallen — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:17:47 +0000

Not sure how francisco would be this awful, huge dropoff from Ibanez. Let’s say Francisco plays 150 games.

He hit 15 HR in 121 games in CLE 2 years ago. Give him 30 more games and he probably goes for .270/20/75 with some speed and a little bit better D than Ibanez. Maybe he becomes a better hitter because of the lineup he’s in hitting 7th…

All im saying is, think outside the box. If getting rid of Raul keeps Shane and Jayson Werth, you might think about it.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:33:01 +0000

I don’t think that Blanton could get 10m right now. I think that 3/21, maybe even 3/22-23 is something that, if I were Joe, I would think about. To date, he has been a workmanlike starter, no better no worse. But hell, I’ll take a workmanlike starter at the back of my rotation anytime. He’s going into his arb year and he’s on a WS team. He has a bad year this year and he won’t get 8m a year. Plus, if he did sign that contract and outperforms it, he’s still young enough to sign a long term deal with someone when that contract runs out. What do you think?

The Dipsy

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:15:01 +0000

Blanton at 3/21 seems like a steal to me…but I have to wonder if he could fetch more on the open market?? Would he want to stay here…knowing he could be a real, effectrive #3 or #4….and be part of a winning team….or could the guy get $10MM per year somewhere else??

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:59:46 +0000

I was high on the Derek Lowe bandwagon last year. Wanted him REAL bad. But the Braves ended up making a horrible sign with him. 4y/60m. Man, talk about an albatross around your neck. Chipper is also signed for a lot of money through ’12. He is getting old quickly. Releasing Jamie is just plain ridiculous. How would you guys feel about signing Blanton to 3y/21m?

The Dipsy

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:39:10 +0000

Derek Lowe at $15MM per year?? Now there’s a real effective way to keep in budget. You guys are unbelieveble.

Look…Moyer shouldn’t have been signed to a two year deal. I think we all agree on that, right? But he’s here for this year…let’s just hope he can contribute towards the success of this team.

Someone said several days ago that Moyer should have been released. Ok…and we still have his $8MM …or whatever it is….on the books…that makes absolutely ZERO sense….especially for a team that is as budget-concious as the Phillies are.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 02:18:46 +0000

Look y’all. Jamie is done.

The Dipsy

By: shag beta sigma delta

shag beta sigma delta — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:16:16 +0000

Park wants to start that is why he has not been signed. Really Lowe? The braves can keep him at 15 mil per. A lot of you bitch about the Moyer signing, and I just don’t get it, he won 12 games last year, and pitched well out of the pen even though he did not want to be there. The two games he came in after Pedro and pitched 6 or 7 innings he was really good. If he can come back from the surgeries, he will 10 games again this year, he is not an awful # 5 guy. I also think Kendrick can be a serviceable #5 also. If Cole comes back and pitches well, this rotation in dominant Doc, Cole, Big Joe, JA and whoever you want as #5

By: PhxPhilly

PhxPhilly — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:22:43 +0000

The fact that Moyer pitched so poorly but STILL met incentives for his second year is terrible. Moyer signed a 2yr $13M contract with incentives. $6.5M for a known quantity #4 SP was probably okay.
I still did not like it and thought they should have at least arbitrated him. (He was a type A free agent and no other team would sign him and give up a draft pick. Though he won 16 games the prior season he would have had no leverage to negotiate with any other team. If we went to arbitration maybe he wins and gets $10M but we only have him for the year.)
The ‘best’ option in the Phillies range for 2009 was Derek Lowe at $15M per season. He pitched okay (better than Moyer) but the Braves would love to unload that contract.
The fact that Moyer ‘earned’ another $1.5M that could have been spent to keep Park (who also should have been arbitrated, best he could have got was probably $5M and he likely would have declined but we’d get a mid draft pick) or sign one more decent relief pitcher is just unbelievable.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:11:41 +0000

They don’t play “hardball” with anybody?? Really??

Scott Eyre was offered a minor league deal….so he retires….if the Phillies wanted him so badly…they would have offered more money for him to consider staying.

Chan Ho Park is gone becasue the Phillies didn’t want to pay him what he wants…and he wants to be a starter…which he sucks at.

Cliff Lee wouldn’t have been signed long-term…because he would have demanded more than the Phillies would want to pay.

Same will be true of Ryan Howard when the time comes.

I have a feeling that Jayson Werth could be a problem resigning…because his worth will be probably more than what the Phillies will be comfortable with.

These are just SOME of the examples…some may make sense and others not…but it emphasizes the point that the Phillies don’t just open up their wallets and pay anybody whatever they want to play here.

If they did….payroll would be $200MM per year and most of us on here would be able to afford to go to about 2 games a year.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:43:45 +0000

Don and Chuck – I should have been more clear. We did need another starter at the beginning of last year. Just not Jamie Moyer at the money and years we gave him. A one year Jamie woulda been fine. If you recall, the majority of fans voiced their disapproval of the extra year at the time and, as it turns out, rightly so. The Phillies don’t play “hardball” with anybody. I get the feeling that every player always takes Ruben’s first offer because its always a above market value. And the Phillies (ownership) have effed up in front of your face and you defend it.

The Dipsy