Odds and Ends: Weekend Recap
Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, January 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Comments: 122
Odds And Ends, Posts
-Ed Wade continues to build a Triple-A team consisting of former Phillies. He inked Brett Myers to a one-year, $5 million (with mutual option for ’11) deal over the weekend, and it appears Myers will be a starter for the 2010 season. He’s still just 29 years old, but carries a lot of wear and tear on his right arm. Myers will join Pedro Feliz, Jason Michael, Gary Majewski, and Michael Bourn as ex-Phils that have reunited in Houston.
In my opinion, Myers is a decent one-year guy, however, $5 million seems a bit much. But I also thought the same when Billy Wagner got $7 million and Brandon Lyon scored a three-year, $15 million deal from, you guessed it, Ed Wade. With the Myers Era officially over in Philadelphia, what is your favorite memory of the righty? (Try and be nice about it, too.) I’d have to say I’ll always remember him for the glove throw following the 2007 NL East clinching game. Good luck to Myers with the Astros.
-This is a bit of older news, but Adrian Beltre inked a one-year, $9 million contract with the Boston Red Sox, complete with an option for the following season. Lost in the shuffle is the news that he turned down a three-year, $24 million deal from the Phillies to play in Boston.
Seems odd to me in this time of economic turmoil that a guy would leave roughly $15 million guaranteed on the table to play for a franchise that is on the same level as the Phillies. It’s interesting, too, because he hasn’t had an amazing season since the mid-2000′s, so he stands to lose money should he tank. I personally believe he was a slightly better option at third than Polanco because of his pop when healthy, plus his defensive acumen at third. Polly will do a great job, but this move by Beltre remains a head-scratcher.
-It’s just about one week until figures are exchanged for arbitration, and the Phillies have two big cases looming. Shane Victorino and Joe Blanton are arb eligible and it’s a foregone conclusion they will both get relatively hefty raises. Victorino made $3.125 million last year, while Blanton received $5.475 million.
Shane is eligible once again in 2011, should he and the Phillies not come together on a long-term deal. Right now, there has been no talk of such a contract being in the works. Are the Phillies saving their pennies for a run at Jayson Werth? Would it be wise to grab Shane on a three-year, $24 million deal that is backloaded a bit. Perhaps $6 million, $8 million, $10 million? If you’re Ruben Amaro, do you hold off on that and wait for arbitration to play out for the next two seasons? It’s a very interesting argument right now with the Phillies self-imposed $140 million cap this season.
Posts: 0 Steve-o
This makes the Polly case a bit more clear. The Phils made a solid run at Beltre, and can’t fault them when a 3yr, 24 mil offer is rejected.
Posted: 11:43 AM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Ed R.
Beltre is banking on having a solid year and the market being better at the end of next season and hoping to cash in then. Rather than being tied down to what he deems as a below market value multi year contract that the Phillies offered.
I wanted Beltre more than Polanco but clearly the guy is all about greed. You would have thought he would have gotten over that after he robbed the Mariners with his last contract. Apparently not.
Posted: 11:55 AM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Brett Myers
Hi Phillies fans!
Just wanted to thank you all for my time here. From smacking my wife in public to getting booed off the mound, I’ll always cherish my Philadelphia moments.
Now, I’ll be in Houston. Some people might say “Brett, why Houston?” I’ll tell you why. Those fans don’t really care about baseball. They’re so placid and slack-jawed, they won’t care enough to boo me when I blow a game.
Thanks for the memories! Woohoo!
Posted: 12:06 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 mikemike
Werth is gone why would they paid him the kind of money he will command in free agency. When they let lee go for money reason, they have howard to sign, victorino, no way it get done. If they somehow do sign werth its the end of howard in my opinion. Hey why knock beltre he rather play in boston for less, that’s his choice he has made a ton of money , so its not the main issue with him. If i had a choice it would be yankees , redsox, angels, before phillies.
Posted: 12:07 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
If that was the offer then Beltre is a moron. I think that Shane will be allowed to go to arb and see what happens. I think that they would like to have the flexibility at the end of the year to be able to sign Werth if they want. If you look at the Phils payroll, it drops off a cliff after 2011 because almost everybody’s contract expires. I think that if Werth and Howard perform to par this year that, given the intractability of the ownerships budgetary positions, that Ruben will have to pick one to sign and not both. I think he should sign Werth. Howard, as great as he is, just costs too much money. We’re looking at 5y/125m AT LEAST. You can sign Werth for half of that, easily. So, circling back to Victorino, I don’t think they would wanna ink him to more than a one year deal because I think they wanna keep their money free so they can see how the dusts settles in 2010.
The Dipsy
Posted: 12:15 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Dudley Monk
Personally, I would strive to sign Victorino to a three year deal. I think the guy is a real spark plug and very valuable to this team both offensively and defensively. I really like Werth, but I believe Victorino is better. I could be wrong. Also, if we are talking about possibly losing Joe Blanton to free agency, then we should really start giving our minor league arms some strong consideration, including Kendrick. I hate to say it, but Jamie Moyer should be history. Very little future with this stellar performer and sometimes the business side of the sport needs top priority. I hate to say this, but shopping Howard, despite the fact that he is great, might be interesting just to see what we could get for his big bat. It wouldn’t hurt.
Posted: 12:26 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 bfo_33
Lots to comment on in this post:
- The greatest Myers moment for me was the 9 pitch Sabbathia at bat in the 08 posteseason. By far the most entertaining walk I’ve ever seen. Myers has a lot of trailer trash in him, but he’s also is a competitor, and I’ll miss him.
- Wade is doing what Gillick did, signing guys he knows because he thinks they are undervalued. Unfortunately for Wade, the Astros need an overhaul, not a tweaking. They’ll be out of it by the all-star break.
-I think Beltre was holding out for better, and misread the market. I lived in Mass for ten years, the fans are just as intense, and possibly even drunker. Plus, while Fenway has its charm, the facilities stink and the field condition is terrible, especially on the left side. Boston fans may love Fenway, but I’d nuke it ina heartbeat if they could get another downtown location. Good luck with the bad hops, goodbye to the gold glove.
- I have a lot of mixed feeelings about Victorino. I think he is a bargain at whatever he’ll make in arbitration this year, but wouldn’t sign him long term. Play it year by year, take the draft choices when he goes (unless someone offers a gret deal along the way). Hamstring injuries are a bad combo with centerfielders/slap hitters. He’ll be on the dl at least once this year, and it’s only going to get worse. Save the $ for Werth.
Posted: 12:28 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 John Snowden
Fav myers memory … drove down to DC for the last series of the season back in 06. Myers through 16K’s and the Phils won 2nd game in the series (at the time we were tied for the wildcard with houston). It wasn’t until later that night the astros won and took it but for at least a few hours I thought we could win it all. And Jimmy kept the hit streak goin that day.
I also had car trouble that night and got stuck in DC wound staying at the same hotel president lincoln died in … kinda neat, a little creepy, but cool.
Posted: 12:35 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 gabriel
my fav brett myers memory:
2008 playoff game vs. CC – the at bat where he kept foulin balls off and the fans knew, they absolutely KNEW, they understood the importance of that AB… that was something special, both as a feat for bretty boy, and as a testament to the phans here in philly for recognizing the significance… if i’m not mistaken, a few batters later, shane hit the grand slam…
GT
Posted: 12:35 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 bfo_33
My favorite discussion – Ryan Howard. Best power hitter the Phils ever had. Finally worked himself up to acceptable at first (although he still can’t throw to second, but nobody is perfect). I think there is a 0.0% chance he resigns with the Phils. I love watching him bat, will miss him, but big guys don’t age well. Someone will overpay Howard, probably an AL team (Yanks or Sox) to be a DH. My guess is he doesn’t play out his next contract (I hope I’m wrong, would like to see him do well wherever he’s at, seems like a genuinely good guy).
Utley gets too beat up at 2nd, he’ll be moved to first, Polanco to 2nd, and a third baseman will be found. With Howard going, it will be critical to keep Werth, bring up Brown, and find a true power hitting 3rd baseman (maybe Longoria?). There are too many question marks around Beltre, glad they didn’t sign him (if they really wanted him, they would have made him an offer he couldn’t refuse).
Posted: 12:55 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Manny
Re: Beltre…. GREED. It makes the Polanco deal clearer, and it now makes much more sense that we signed him, even if it was for 3 years.
Re: Myers… best memory was 2008, Game 2 of the NLCS. He went 3-3. Crazy stuff.
Posted: 01:08 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
My opening day lineup for 2012
SS – Jimmy Rollins
CF- Tyson Gillies
1B – Chase Utley
RF – Jason Werth
3B – Adam Zimmerman
LF- Domonic Brown
2B – Placido Polanco
C – Carlos Ruiz
The Dipsy
Posted: 01:14 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Strike that. Flip Gillies and Rollins.
The Dipsy
Posted: 01:16 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Evan
Beltre must think the market is depressed or have a personal interest in living in Boston. I don’t think that’s greed, if you had an option of several different jobs you’d absolutely take the one that you thought was best. Even with Beltre turning down the offer I think the Phils overpaid Polanco by a few million. I’m worried that Raul and Polanco both got paid too much for a 3 year deal since they are a bit up there in age.
The Phils are up to their neck in payroll commitments. They need to let Werth go next year and use Dom Brown in the outfield if he’s viable. They have plenty of bats for 2011, they need to have some money to add a pitcher or 3. If he has another season like 2009 Werth is gonna get paid. He’s got to be at least as valuable as Jason Bay when you take his defense and speed into account.
Posted: 01:25 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 bfo_33
Dipsy, assuming Ryan Z from Wash, not a prospect I don’t know? He’d be my choice (just barely) over Longoria, except Wash seems more willing to spend money than Tampa. I could see the Rays dumping Longoria for prospects once the arb years start hitting (eligible in 2011?). Other than that, may flip 3b and Brown, unless Werth improves on hitting righties. Very solid on both sides of the ball.
Less than 2 mos for pitchers and catchers, can’t come soon enough now that the Eagles are out. By the end of the week, I’ll be forecasting the 2020 line-up (assuming the world doesn’t end in 2012).
Posted: 01:34 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
Manny Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Re: Beltre…. GREED. It makes the Polanco deal clearer, and it now makes much more sense that we signed him, even if it was for 3 years.
You’ll have to explain how that’s greedy… he thinks that he can do better and doesn’t want to sign anything on a down year. He’s not happy with the way that he has played and thinks that he can get a deal that’s more reflective of his ability. I don’t think that’s greedy at all. It would be greedy if he declined a reasonable deal in an up year to look a longer/more lucrative deal knowing that he wasn’t worth it (half of the Yankees payroll). It’s a bad economy, he’s coming off of a subpar year by his standards and there weren’t many teams offering contracts…
Posted: 01:44 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
Who is that Adam Zimmerman fella?
Posted: 01:45 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Dipsy….I actually agree with your first post on this thread….Werth should be the Phillies first priority when it comes to contracts…
Like I’ve said…he’s really the most valuable outfielder we have….hits for power….has speed, etc..
Werth can play all three OF positions….center if Vic isn’t here…although you have Gillies penciled in…interesting.
Howard will walk..because no way they’re gonna pay $25 MM per year for him…and I don’t think they should, either.
Beltre…IS a moron.. Ireally think that when it’s all said and done…the deal for Placido Polanco is gonna be viewed as a stroke of genius by Ruben..
Posted: 02:07 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Manny
It’s greed (in my opinion) because despite a bad economy, he’s taking much less guaranteed money just to have a better position to make some more a year later. I would’ve taken the guaranteed money. It’s 8 million per year! Chone Figgins, who is a superior player, will be making 9 per year, for the next four years! If Beltre thinks he’ll be making more than that, then he might be in for a surprise. He’s betting all his chips in that he’ll have a solid, perhaps spectacular year that will earn him a bigger contract. Another notable DL stint, and good luck.
Bottomline: He left a bunch of money on the table to make some more later on. Makes him look that money is the one and only thing he cares about. Yes, greedy.
Posted: 02:11 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Manny
…or a moron, as Chuck said.
In any case, glad we got the “good” guy.
Posted: 02:13 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
I say Gilles beacuse in 2012 you would have Jimmy @ 8m, Polanco @6, Utley @15m, Werth @12m, Zimmerman@12-15m, Halladay@20m. So there’s a lotta money tied up right there. If Hamels is back is fair to say he’s 15m. So you can only afford so many other players. Gillies will be AA this year, AAA the next year, then bango! He starts the year in center. Brown in left. Both making nothing. Victorino plays too much like Rollins and Polanco (i.e. little power, low strikeouts, low walks). He’s gonna be the guy that goes, I think. Let me reshuffle this lineup:
Gillies
Rollins
Werth
Utley
Zimmerman
Brown
Polanco
Ruiz
The Dipsy
Posted: 02:17 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 beta sigma shag
As far as Myers goes, I always liked the guy, he was a tough dude, and competed every day. He went to the pen and was a decent closer. Favorite memory for me was my first game at the Bank, sat in righ field just over the fence and he pitched a two hitter against the Braves, taking a NO NO into the eigth I think. It was a long time ago.
As far as Beltre, I think why it may seem greedy, is if he thought he could get more money now. Like a 3 year 27-30 million dollar deal. Don’t you think the Phillies would have paid him 9 million for 1 year if that was his counter offer to them. I think they would have offered him that with a team option for second year.
I know Ryan Howard is going to cost a bunch of money, but if he would sign for 22-24 million for 3 or 4 years I think you do that.
I have said it before and maybe I am too much of a rose colored glasses type guy. But if they Phillies keep winning and are on the verg of being able to win say 5-6-7 NL east titles in a row, I think the core guys can come together and say “OK we all want our money, but what will it take to keep this core together for 3 more years.”
Pay Ryan 23 million, Werth 13-15 million and you would have like 8 guys tied into 127 million a year, if you figure in Chase, Rollins, and Vic. And have Doc, Cole, and Happ. Could you put a team around them for 33 million assuming the budget would go up to 160 million by 2012.
If PP can still play 3rd there is 6 million more. Brown would still be cheap right. So that would leave about 25 million for bull pen, bench and two more starters.
If you can not do that then you have to let Ryan or Jayson walk
As much as I love Ryan, and love to watch the big guy play. I think fiscally he would make the most sense to go. Not sure about moving Chase to first, but, I think you can find a 20-30 home run fist basemen out their cheaper. And hope some of the kids in the minors show some power.
Posted: 02:17 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Brett
Whoever is saying that the Phillies have any chance of aquiring Evan Longoria or Ryan Zimmerman is dead wrong. Both of those players are young guys that their respective teams are trying to build franchises around. I can’t blame you for looking though. The Phillies’ minor league system has ZERO 3rd base prospects and we’re going to have to keep looking outside the organization for a future third baseman. It’s a shame, but it’s true. Longoria or Zimmerman aren’t going to leave their teams until free agency at the earliest, and even then, they’ll both command HUGE salaries.
Posted: 02:19 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
I’d flip Utley and Werth in the lineup.
Posted: 02:24 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Griffin
Don’t count on Tyson Gillies to be a starter. He projects to be a Melky Cabrera/Brett Gardner type in the majors. No thanks.
Posted: 02:27 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
Melky Cabrera … the type of guy that plays everyday for the World Champion team.
I’ll take it..
Posted: 02:30 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 beta sigma shag
I think trying to figure out who the Phillies are going to keep is hard enough, trying to figure out who they will pick up in FA in two years is crazy. You never know maybe they get a 3rd base prospect in some deadline trade, or God forbid some kid no one knows about shows up in A or AA, cause that never happens. ( that is Sarcasim if you folks did not get that)
I know I said earlier that Howard was the logical guy to go because of the money he will comand. But with the wealth of outfielders we are suppose to have down on the farm. why not pay ryan and let Brown Giles, and another kid roam the outfield. I know it is Janurary and there is not a bunch going on, but predicted weather you are going to be able to get Zimmerman, or Eva, to fill in for guys that may or may not be here is a little extream for me.
Who knew who Vic or Wreth were three years ago. you get my point
Posted: 02:32 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Griffin
yes, that’s the reason the Yanks won the WS: Melky Cabrera. They thought so highly of him that they upgraded the CF position as soon as they could.
Eric Bruntlett is the type of backup utility guy that plays for a World Champion….
Posted: 02:33 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
2012 lineup… let’s have a little fun and assume that we can get Zimmerman in 2012 (Polanco rendered to an uber utility role):
1. Gose (CF) or Gillies (CF)
2. Ryan Zimmerman (3B)
3. Utley (2B)
4. Howard (1B)
5. Werth (RF)
6. Brown (LF)
7. Ruiz (C)
8. Galvis (SS)
Posted: 02:36 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Brett – How do you think the Phillies acquire Adam Zimmerman or Eva Longoria?
The Dipsy
Posted: 02:36 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Chuck….there is no way on god’s earth that Werth, Zimmerman, and Howard will be on the same team. And why would Zimmerman bat 2nd? As of now, apparently, Gose can’t hit to save his life.
The Dipsy
Posted: 02:39 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Dipsy….first I thought you meant ME….that was Chuck P that said that.
I agree…there not on the same team…Howard will walk…I just can’t see the Phillies paying him what he’s gonna want.
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When Eric Bruntlett played for the “World Champions”….in 2008….that year….he contributed to the team….playing more regularly…doing what he does….being a utility player
Is he the reason we won the World Series? No..not alone…But he was part of a team that AS A WHOLE…won.
Same with Melky Cabrera….
Posted: 02:51 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Griffin
I don’t even know how to respond to that.
Posted: 02:55 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Brooks
I agree with bfo, Manny & Gabriel – favorite Myers moment in the 08 classic vs CC.
Before each game, the pitchers toss the ball in the OF, the catcher in CF, the pitcher steadily moves towards the right field corner with each toss. Myers was so pumped up that day, after 1 or 2 throws to Ruiz from close distance, he motioned to the catcher that he was heading to the corner. His first throw wound up in center field bleachers – from deep right field, he threw it over Chooch’s head – what a game that was!
I don’t like being the negative Nellie here but all of you who are talking about Howard leaving? Guess what? Once the big man is gone, so are our only hope at another championship (until or if we get another star to replace him which does not come along often at all). Like it or not, he is our ticket and I love it. Oh, the Phils could probably be a decent team without him in the lineup but not THE force in the NL.
Go Phils!
Posted: 03:00 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Respond to what? YOU’RE the one that brought up Eric Bruntlett.
Posted: 03:03 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 j reed
Beltre is a moron but just how much of one? Remember with the addition of Lackey, that means the Sox will have a seriously good rotation with Lackey, Lester and Beckett as a triple punch play-off threat. Also keep in mind that their offenseive struggles of last year were probably an anomaly. Beltre only makes them stronger. Chances are the B Sox go to the series esp. as I don’t see Petite or Vasquez putting up the same numbers they did last year…I’m sure Beltre was thinking along the same lines. Not that we aren’t contenders but Halladay, Hamels, Blanton vs. Lester, Lackey, Beckett….
Posted: 03:07 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
you would be upset if Tyson Gillies turns into Melky Cabrera ??? Really????
Also, Im pretty sure I didn’t type that he was the reason they won the World Series. but as something between the 3rd-4th OF for the best team in baseball
He played in 154 games, hit .274 with some power. and some speed..
Posted: 03:07 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
Manny… I honestly appreciate your explanation. I see how it could be construed as greed. I’m an investment advisor so the word risk is something that I am very familiar and comfortable with…managing risk is my job. Some people are equipped with the underpants that allow them to take more risk than others. I don’t call those people greedy… I’m often urging them to be more conservative (frankly, it makes my job easier) but at the end of the day, it’s their decision.
In my mind, greed is an unwillingness to pull some chips off the table when your stack is high… but it can work the other way as well, I guess (know when to fold em).
Posted: 03:07 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Griffin
I was making a point that Melky Cabrera is so valuable to the World Champions that they immediately went out and replaced him. Should the Phillies have stuck with Bruntlett as their backup IF because he contributed to their WS? Of course not.
Would anyone want Melky Cabrera to be the starting CF for the Phils right now? No, and that’s the type of player Tyson Gillies is projected to be-he’s not starting OF material.
Posted: 03:08 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Griffin
So you’d be happy with that type of production from your starting CF? Good luck with that.
The Yankees won the WS in spite of Melky. They upgraded as soon as they could. Counting on Gillies to be an everyday starter is silly. He’s a backup, just like Melky.
Posted: 03:11 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 PRD
I think your onto something The Original… and its here where I’m not sure I agree with you dipsy.
I’m not sure Rollins is around after 2011, and I think it is almost impossible to forecast him because his last few years have been so different, an MVP and then really having one of his toughest years last year.
I think Werth and Victorino will price themselves out of Philly (unless they do a hometown discount). Truthfully, I’m starting to wonder if their strategy is to develop lots of young, super-athletic OFs knowing some of them will be able to contribute as underpaid Major League regulars. Then use that savings for other positions of priority, power hitter, top of the rotation, back of the bullpen.
I have to think that they will pick a couple of key guys and build around them. Personally I think those guys will be Utley, Howard, Dom Brown and 1 of the other Minor League outfielders. They will try to transition into the next generation of core young guys. Then they will have made essentially a 6 year run, 2006-2011, with 1 core and look to build another.
Posted: 03:12 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
they replaced him with a very good, veteran Starting Pitcher.. in Javier Vazquez
a good move for the Yankees because they add pitching depth
and a good move for the Braves, because they have lots of pitching, but lacked talent .. Cabrera isn’t the best on any field ..
but he’s got some of all the 5 tools, and with regular playing time, should continue to develop
I think the Yankees top prospect is now OF – Austin Jackson, who looks to be major league ready very soon … so it made sense for them to deal Cabrera to get help in return
it’s a lot different then them dumping him because he wasn’t good
Posted: 03:16 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Griffin
Don M, they traded Austin Jackson in the Curtis Granderson deal. Granderson is their CF for the next few years and is a major upgrade on Melky.
Gillies could be a nice bench player, and will definitely be valuable, but everything I’ve read about him says that he is NOT a starting CF.
Posted: 03:18 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Whoa. Melky Cabrera was an average player on a team of stars. Its OK to have an average player filling in when your team is strong in every other spot. Griffin – Neither you nor I know how Gillies is gonna turn out. He could be another Juan Pierre or another crappy hitter that can run fast. I would love Tyson Gillies to turn into Melky Cabrera. Bruntlett was a terrible hitter that played a lot of positions. Good for him that he could stick in the majors as long as he has.
Original Chuck – Would you define “greed” as having a “flyer” in your portfolio, have it run like it stole something and get you a %50 gain, and then not wanna sell it because you wanna try and juice more out of it? Cuz I got one of them (looking for some backdoor investing advice while making it pertinent to your post).
The Dipsy
Posted: 03:21 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
But seriously..
who cares about the 2012 lineup …. let’s talk about the 2017 lineup
since we all know so much about how good the 19-20 year old prospects will be in a few years, what do you think our record will be in 2017
I’m thiking like 92 wins..
Posted: 03:22 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 1317 Pat Gallen
To be honest, who knows if we will every see Gillies or Gose up here. The Phillies will end up keeping one of Shane or Jayson and probably fill the others with Dom Brown and an FA. GIllies and Gose could be trade bait for the future for when they need a new 1B.
At least we know Adam Laroche will be availble when the time comes…since he turned down $17 mil guaranteed from SF. Jackass.
Posted: 03:24 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
I already forgot they added Granderson… because they have the money to add All-Stars at every single position
it makes them flip above-average players to fill any weakness they have on the roster.. Javier Vazquez as your #4 pitcher would be awesome..
Posted: 03:24 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Griffin
Yeah, adding Vazquez and Granderson is a pretty good offseason. They actually do have All-Stars at every single position and the top 4 spots in the rotation. Oh and the best closer of all-time. I freaking hate them.
Posted: 03:27 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
No they didn’t win in spite of Melky Cabrera…they won with him as part of their team….just like the Phillies won with Bruntlett as part of their’s..
Posted: 03:27 PM on January 11, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
I’m pretty sure that everything everyone ever read about Victorino, when he was a prospect too, said that he wasn’t a MLB capable CF
this guy has as much speed as Vic.. and hits for a higher average..
Give him some legit coaches that can fix his flaws, and maybe he’ll surprise?
Posted: 03:27 PM on January 11, 2010