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Odds & Ends: Former Phillies Watch

Posted by Amanda Orr, Tue, January 26, 2010 06:10 PM | Comments: 103
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Originally published on January 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM.

Some players from the 2009 Phillies roster made the latest baseball headlines:

The deal has a major league invitation to spring training.  With a weak hitting Padres club, Stairs has a good chance to make the big league roster as a left-handed bat off the bench.

Walker, 33, pitched well in 35.1 innings with the Phillies in 2009.  In July, I was surprised a team like the Nationals, who had a weak bullpen, didn’t take a chance on him when he was designated for assignment by the Phillies.  Instead, he stayed in the Phillies system and pitched well down the stretch.

Park was a huge factor in the Phillies bullpen last season, and it’s a shame the Phillies can’t bring him back.  Park mentioned that he wants to start again, but he was more effective in the bullpen last season.

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UPDATES: Other former Phillies made Tuesday’s headlines:

(4:30 PM): The New York Yankees acquired former Phillies prospect Greg Golson

Golson was designated for assignment by the Texas Rangers last week.  After being designated for assignment, a team has a certain amount of days to trade the player.  The Rangers are trading Golson to the Yankees for Mitch Hilligoss and cash considerations.

(6:10 PM):  The Minnesota Twins and Jim Thome agree to terms.

No terms were announced, but the deal is one-year, with incentives.

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  • Posts: 0 Johnny

    I’m happy Stairs was able to find a club willing to give him an opportunity.

     
  • Posts: 0 deebo

    i’ve been watching and reading, patiently, for about four months. time to chime in. we have a locked up team thru 2011 with the exception of werth. howard’s 260/42/125 is much more easy to replace than werth’s 270/30/100. insane, right? it’s beautiful having ryan but how many 1B’s are out there that dont strike out as much and post comparable (sp?) OBPs and SLGs? howard can leave after 2011 and be repalced by the likes of jack cust, carlos pena, adrian gonzalez or nick johnson, with little loss in production. 2012, ala the movie, will only be saved by repalcing rollins and deciding if hamels is staying. 2011 will not include werth unless there is a significant “home team” discount. RAJ understands that 25% of the roster needs to be turned over and he has intentionally left those openings in the pitching staff. unless 2012 includes anthony hewitt at SS, mark your mayan calendars.

     
  • Posts: 0 Buster Heyman

    Didn’t Brandon Duckworth end up on a team too? Oh wait…

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    So long, Matt Freakin’ Stairs.

    We’ll never forget that home run in L.A…..

     
  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Happy to see Matt Stairs getting another chance, but I wish he stayed with the Phillies in some capacity like a coach or something :(

    Tyler Walker is a very good signing by the Nationals, even though I wasn’t much of a fan of his with the Phillies.

    As for Chan Ho Park…he was a HUGE asset to us last year, and I really wish he could work something out to stay with the Phillies some more, but he’s deadset on starting soooo…

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Well as for Park, the two teams rumored to be after him, the Cubs and Rays, as I see it, do not seem to have a real need for starting pitchers. Tampa is pretty set with their starting 5. And the Cubs, have like 7 guys already in the hunt for 5 spots, with Zambrano, Lilly and Dempster pretty much set. I would bet dollars to donuts that Park ends up as a reliever no matter where he goes.

     
  • Posts: 0 NickFromGermantown

    The Park situation is very frustrating to say the least. You’d think he’d want to stay with a winner like the Phillies is a role he flourished in. Oh well. I suppose it’s his loss mainly. I’d still like to see him out of the ‘pen in red pinstripes though.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Park insisted on starting…he sucked at it..that’s why the Phillies went in another direction..

    If he had accepted …and embraced… the reliever role for this season..he might just have a job here..

    Instead he wanted something that’s unrealistic

    Let him go and pitch somewhere else..too late now.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    The biggest problem with re-signing Park would have been money. He was asking a small fortune when the Phils decided to go a different direction. It’ll be Park’s loss, because he’s not going to get much from the Cubs or Rays, and would have been better off lowering his expectations sooner.

    As for Stairs and Walker, I hope they both do well.

    As for Deebo, you’ve got Howard’s RBIs wrong, Cust strikes out almost as much, Johnson is always injured and doesn’t have the same power, and Gonzales as a free agent will be getting almost as much as Howard. Pena and Cust will both likely be washed up by the time Howard’s a free agent, if they aren’t already.

    If this is the kind of players you propose to replace Howard, I’d say it’d be easier to replace Werth. Even some of the Phils own minor leaguers might be able to do it. And by the way, Werth has yet to reach 100 RBIs, so you’ve got that wrong, too.

    If you’re so worried about Mayan calendar predictions, bear in mind that if they come true, the entire game of baseball won’t matter.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    I’d rather have Park and Walker than Baez and Durbin. Park didn’t seem too interested in re-signing, but releasing Walker and keeping Durbin is a head scratcher. Durbin hasn’t been good since early ’08.

    All the best to Matt Stairs. I look forward to seeing him at all the ’08 reunions.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Durbin wasn’t all that bad last year …and impressed in the postseason…he was a key part of the pen..

    I liked Walker too…but obviously the Phillies feel more comfortable with Durbin

    I don’t think it makes or breaks the season.

    —–

    As for Jack Cust…I’ve always considered him to be a very good AAA player and a DH type for the AL…I can’t see him replacing Ryan Howard.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Matt Stairs please just retire already. A minor league contract, please. How many at bats will he get. Just retire with some respect. Phillies need to sign Werth. How can you let this guy go after this year. He is a huge part of this team. He is better then Bay. The arm, bat, running on the bases. Stealing home. Lock this guy up for three years.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    was that dude serious about how it would be easy to replace Howard?

    Carlos Pena hits like .220 with a lot of HRs.

    Adrian Gonzalez will get a contract somewhere in the area of $20 M per season..

    Jack Cust and Nick Johnson .. clearly, you were joking

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    They’ll let him go because, like Amaro said.. you can’t have a team where every player is making $15-20 Million per season

    Howard is a Hall of Fame type player, and they’ll do all they can to keep him here for his career … Werth is a very talented player, that other teams will be willing to outbid us for …. I think he’s gone after this year

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    The reality is…no matter who you think is more valuable for the team ….more versatile, whatever…

    Ryan Howard creates more sellouts than Jayson Werth. As much as I like Werth…people watch games on TV and go to the ballpark….more because of guys like Howard and Utley.

    It sucks…because Werth is a very exciting player…and extremely talented.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ben

    didn’t someone say park wants to start b/c korea (his home country) won’t televise a game unless they know he will be in it? if he is a reliever they won’t know what game he will be in, so they don’t televise any of them.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Ben – correct. I can’t blame Park for wanting to be a starter, unfortunately, he’s not that good at it. Either way, he’ll remain in the big leagues, just at a lower salary, less competitive team. He probably more than makes up for it with S. Korea endorsements.

    Don M, a truly chilling link. While Philly doesn’t have wall street money, it’s not Detroit either. They could probably increase tix $ by 30% more and still sell out most games. While Deebo could use a fact checker (or maybe a new mix of meds), the intent is there – need young, cheap turnover – if not 25%, at least 3 or 4 guys on 25 man roster.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I can blame Chan Ho Park for wanting to be a starter…

    If he just realized that he’s awful in that role…and understood that he has a demand…and a future….in the bullpen….he probably would be courted by more teams….including the Phillies.

    If the Phillies increased ticket prices 30%…that would be disastrous for the “average Joe” fan….that wants to bring his family to a few games a year…and not feel as though he’s being raped in the process.

    Bad idea.

     
  • Posts: 0 GREENINIL

    ? for discussion with Howard – home many double plays do his strikouts eliminate?

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    And your point is…???

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Sheets to the As for 1 yr, $10M. Sounds very high for a guy who didn’t throw a pitch last year due to elbow surgery.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    screw the Phillies… Tell me about these soft foam earplugs!


    Team leader in hits with either 1 or no runners on base, with a lead of 2 or more runs, while the Phanatic holds popcorn he just stole out of a kids hand. .

    I think it will be Polanco

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    We get nothing for Werth in terms of picks because he can’t get arbitration, correct?

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    If Werth were to leave after 2010… he would get draft picks as compensation..

    He would likely be classified as a TYPE A FREE AGENT,

    which would give us a 1st round pick .. plus another pick between the completion of the 1st, and the start of the 2nd round

    The Oakland A’s just wasted $10 M … with or without Sheets they’ll be lucky to finish above 3rd in the AL WEST

    That was the dumbest move of the offseason

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Thanks Don. I agree on the A’s over paying for Sheets.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I don’t ….the Mets acquiring Sarge, Jr. was pretty stupid, too.

    This is why I’m glad Ruben Amaro, Jr. is the GM of the Phillies!

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The problem with draft picks is that only something like 30% of 1st round draft picks ever reach the Major Leagues (and lesser chance for picks from lower rounds)

    Which is why so many teams would rather trade a player for PROSPECTS (guys that are closer to making the big leagues already).. instead of letting players walk away as Free Agents only to get draft picks in return

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Mets are only paying $2 M for him over two seasons.. thats not bad at all

    If he’s healthy he’s decent.. better than Mayberry Jr buy a ton

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Mets aren’t done yet, so I’d qualify it as the dumbest move to date. I thought Sheets would get a cheap contract with a ton of incentives. Could be the price of playing for a team with little talent or hope, an aging stadium, and ugly uniforms.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    I don’t have a problem with Sarge jr for $2M, but they did give up one of their few decent bullpen arms in Stokes (would you take jr for $2M and Durbin?). On a whole, a fair to poor deal, not terrible.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    If Beltran is ready to start the season.. and your starting RF is Jeff Francouer. .. then yea, probably

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I can see Matthews being a good insurance policy….I guess my point is…why is he getting paid that kind of money in the first place??

    The Sheets deal IS a real head-scratcher..

    Again…thanks Ruben for the decisions you’ve made for the Phillies!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    A few posts back I MEANT to say…… “I don’t know…..the Mets…….”

    It sounded as though I was responding in the negative to the comment from psujoe when he was agreeing that the A’s overpaid for Ben Sheets.

    Obviously, that was a stupid move on the A’s part.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Rube’s off season has been excellent. Charlie was talking about his nwe bench and he’s excited about it. Bull pen is the only eral question mark.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Trading for Matthews comes in as a stupid move because the Mets don’t need him. They have Pagan to play in place of Beltran for the first month or so. The $2 million might have helped pay for a decent #2 starter.

    Signing Sheets could actually work out, though. Incentives would have been better, but $10 million is peanuts if he pitches like he’s capable of pitching.

    And since the Mets were also bidding on Sheets,too, this should be considered a very good signing to Phils fans.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    That was my first thought….that I’m glad that at least Sheets is out of our hair…

    ….unless by some miracle the A’s are in the World Series..

    which isn’t gonna happen.

     
  • Posts: 0 therookie300

    Say Sheets has a good first half and the A’s trade him. They pay for a half a season of him and could possibly get some prospects out of this deal. I’m betting that is part of the plan and if their a competing team, then it pays dividends too. Price might have been a little high, but you never know…

     
  • Posts: 0 WorldFudgeChamp

    the rookie300,

    Interesting take on the Sheets deal. I don’t get the A’s. I mean what are they trying todo? They bring in a big name player like Holliday last year or Sheets and then get rid of them. I also see the A’s as a retirement place for baseball players that were once GOOD but are average now like Jason G who is now with the Rockies. I am not sure about their farm system though. I know they have Mike Taylor now but has anyone heard of a big player in the farm system that was or is like the Chase Utley. But i see that they have some stuff to move forward like their ROY closer, i forget the name of him. But The A’s are one of those teams i dont see what they are doing.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bret

    Ruben didn’t trade Dominic Brown for one reason. He’s the replacement for Werth.

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    we’ll sign werth, he wants to play here. brown will replace ibanez, because i hear he’s not ready.

    i wanted michael brown, he’s going to win rookie of the year in the AL next year, he’s ready to go right now so letting him go cemented us to jayson werth. brown can’t replace werth, he’s the only righty! sorry chooch

    shoudlnt have moved sooo many prospects ruben, now you gotta pay for veterans. i’m excited for phillipe aumont but that is NOT enough for all the names you shipped away. i saw a blueclaws comeback this season involving travis d’naud, he’s a doubles kinda guy. and don’t get me started on knapp.

    i think this season is about revenge. i think the target it off the back this season, everyone got their own little punch in the gut @ some point, even cliff got hit. HK passed away this season, i mean STUFF WENT WRONG. and charlie says halladay is a “tad” better than lee because when he doesn’t have his stuff, he can work with it and he always wants to get 9. im always for the phillies in their move of cliff and hate bringing it up, but check this out…

    hamels myers blanton moyer park

    HALLADAY hamels blanton happ….moyer?

    lol for moyer. I love the guy but come on, come on. i cannot have high hopes for him. looking at opening day 2010, the fire has been rekindled. this team is so good that even playing bad they the best in the NL. 100 wins this season! raul do good and make people proud, and lets have high hopes

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    and if it’s true the mets signed matthews for 2 year/ 2 mil, Y DID THE PHILS NOT SEE THAT! one reason- so sarge could say Cadillac time for his own son! if he says it for him while he plays for the mets, i’m blowing up the booth while he and mccarthy are in it.

    merril reese could do baseball…..i mean joe buck can do it, and he sucks!

     
  • Posts: 0 ActuallyChilled

    check this out..

    the main challenge for the phillies is clearly winning the playoff series against a NY, Boston, etc. thus the rotation must be shut down, and depending on the maturity of players like hamels and happ is a risk within itself. based on lee’s playoff performance last year, the replacement of halladay into the playoff rotation is essentially a non-factor. that being said, winning another world championship rests on the maturity increases in existing starters. Perhaps there was not much of a way around this unless increasing ticket prices or adjusting costs etc to sign both long-term Lee and Halladay. But in this case, you lose much of the farm system. To work around this situation, I would have just kept Lee long term for 4 years negotiated, and signed Ben Sheets as a dark horse. That way, you still have Drabek in the wings to make a possible impact for the nearer-term rotation, and a star and fan favorite in Lee, then finally the potential for Hamels to rebound and Blanton/Happ to improve. Perfect world, loyal organization. This also frees up extra cash in signing Lee instead to help a bit for the cost of a Sheets (7-12 M).

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I would suggest Kendrick/Contreras in the fifth slot. Moyer might not even play that much. He’s hurt, he’s having 23 surgeries in the offseason. If I’m RAJ, I tell him to get ready to pitch one inning at a time because he may be our lefty out of the pen. At 47, or whatever, I don’t see how he can bitch about this. I think he can be effective, I mean, if you believe in the “change of pace” guy, isn’t he the ultimate?

    Rollins
    Polanco
    Utley
    Howard
    Werth
    Ibanez
    Victorino
    Ruiz

    Set it in stone.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Moyer could be our version of Jesse Orosco..how old was he when he last pitched?? Something approaching fifty?? And he was EFFECTIVE.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Man the Sheets signing really blew me away, 10 million never thought he would get near that,and incentives for more. I know longer can say what players are worth after this one, my son always say there is a ass for everyseat and he is right, why would you pay him that kind of money , and to mention Detroit ,they spend big money in the draft and our near or above us in players salary. I still dont see brown as a replacement for werth, no power, not a good outfielder, for ibanez yes but not near a werth type player. I still believe ibanez wont be a big asset to us this year hope I am wrong.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Gauranteed Sheets does not finish the season in Oakland. He will be trade bait for sure.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Yeah…this Sheets thing is really baffling..

    Wonder how Big Joe feels now?? Let’s say Sheets signs BEFORE Blanton’s contract was inked..

    Blanton might have balked….and taken his chances with the arbitrator.

    I glad he didn’t of course…and, in the end, probably did the right thing for himself.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Sheets won’t be very good trade bait at $10 million/year. He could bring back, at most, some pretty low level prospects unless he’s pitching completely lights-out. If he’s doing that well, it puts the A’s in contention, and they would have no reason to trade him.

    Moyer may still prove an adequate starter or middle relief guy. I doubt he’d be a left-handed specialist, not due to lack of effectiveness, but because it takes too long for him to warm up, and he probably can’t go on back to back days.

    Keeping Lee long term may not have been doable, and Ben Sheets as a “dark horse” would have cost too much given that the Phils got money back in the Halladay trade. Therefore, ActuallyChilled, there would have been no extra cash. Also, from what I’ve read, Aumont has better stuff than Drabek; he’s just a little further away from the majors. It costs prospects to get proven talent, so sometimes proven talent has to be traded to get the prospects back: prospects for Halladay, Lee for prospects. It may seem like a wash, but Halladay, according to EVERYONE, is the better pitcher.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    I’d put Vic before Ibanez (would possibly generate a few more runs, allow Victorino to slap hit vs trying to drive in runs, give him a chance to run more without having to slow up for Ibanez, give Ruiz more RBI ops, but I don’t think it would change the overall record much). Charlie is a master at reading guys, knowing what will get the best out of them.

    I don’t think the Sheets contract would have effected Blanton much either way. I don’t blame guys who chase the money, but think that Blanton likes playing here, wanted some stability. He probably lives in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere, figured a 3 year contract sets him up for life. If he has the desire to keep going after the contract is up, can go for another contract, otherwise, spend the rest of his life fishing. A month until pitchers/catchers report?

     
 
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