Odds & Ends: Former Phillies Watch

Posted by Amanda Orr, Tue, January 26, 2010 06:10 PM | Comments: 103
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Originally published on January 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM.

Some players from the 2009 Phillies roster made the latest baseball headlines:

The deal has a major league invitation to spring training.  With a weak hitting Padres club, Stairs has a good chance to make the big league roster as a left-handed bat off the bench.

Walker, 33, pitched well in 35.1 innings with the Phillies in 2009.  In July, I was surprised a team like the Nationals, who had a weak bullpen, didn’t take a chance on him when he was designated for assignment by the Phillies.  Instead, he stayed in the Phillies system and pitched well down the stretch.

Park was a huge factor in the Phillies bullpen last season, and it’s a shame the Phillies can’t bring him back.  Park mentioned that he wants to start again, but he was more effective in the bullpen last season.


UPDATES: Other former Phillies made Tuesday’s headlines:

(4:30 PM): The New York Yankees acquired former Phillies prospect Greg Golson

Golson was designated for assignment by the Texas Rangers last week.  After being designated for assignment, a team has a certain amount of days to trade the player.  The Rangers are trading Golson to the Yankees for Mitch Hilligoss and cash considerations.

(6:10 PM):  The Minnesota Twins and Jim Thome agree to terms.

No terms were announced, but the deal is one-year, with incentives.

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  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Sheets signed with Oakland. Billy Bean is all about trading for or signing guys that he can turn around and trade at the deadline. If Sheets is pitching well he will absolutely be worth a lot. Even at 10 mil, by the time the deadline comes around the season will be more than half over, so the team taking him on won’t have to pay that much. Especially if they can trade someone on their current roster away to try and offset the coast.

    You don’t think a healthy Sheets will be valuable to a team that is in contention for a playoff spot? I do.

    There are easily a half dozen fringe playoff teams that could benefit greatly from one more good starting pitcher. Sheets can be dominant when he is healthy. The A’s even with Sheets pitching lights out are not better than the Rangers and Mariners. The Angels lost a lot of guys but I would not be shocked to see them in the thick of it until the end.

    As for Lee, apparently no one wants this to die down. Amaro was not going to offer Lee more than three years. Lee was offered and rejected the very same deal that Halladay accepted. If Lee had accepted the 3 year @ 60 million deal then he would still be here. He rejected it and the Phillies moved on. Once Lee or Lee’s agent turned the deal down then they knew that at best they would get Lee for one year and then two picks out of it. Which may or may not ever turn into an ML ready player. With Halladay on board they knew that they had to restock the farm as best they could. Who knows, a year or two from now some of the guys they got in the Lee trade could end up playing huge roles for them. And if that is the case then the Lee trade looks that much better.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    It’s gonna take a bit more than Sheets pitching “completely lights-out” in order for the A’s to be anywhere close to contention..they are a 3rd place team at best..

  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Here is my question a healthy sheets is worth a lot, at trade dealine why isnt a healthy lee worth more???

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Because Sheets.. if he has a great year this year, would only command $12-15M tops as a Free Agent

    Lee.. will command $20- 25 M per season as a Free Agent

    The only teams that can afford Lee at that price, would rather just outbid other teams, than give up prospects now.. AND THEN pay him that money.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Here’s a take on TOP PROSPECTS.. according to Fanhouse.com .. TOP 100



    Age: 22 | Height: 6-0 | Weight: 185
    2009 Stats: 12-3 W-L | 3.19 ERA | 158 IP | 150 SO | 50 BB
    Finished ’09: Reading (Double-A Eastern League)

    The Skinny: If Phillippe Aumont was the pitching prospect with the best stuff in Roy Halladay-Cliff Lee deal, then Drabek is the one with the best combination of stuff and polish. He’s undersized, but the 22-year-old has the stuff, bloodlines and feel for pitching to perform at the top of a big-league rotation. Aside from some lingering makeup concerns, Drabek is very close to the total package.



    Age: 22 | Bats: L | Height: 6-5 | Weight: 204
    2009 Stats: .299 AVG | 14 HR | 64 RBI | .377 OBP | 23 SB
    Finished ’09: Reading (Eastern League)

    The Skinny: Brown is often described as a scout’s dream. He has a frame reminiscent of Darryl Strawberry’s, and while his power probably won’t reach those heights, he has tools galore. The on-the-field results have caught up to the tools in a hurry, but he’s not a finished product.




    Age: 20 | Height: 6-7 | Weight: 220
    2009 Stats: 2-6 W-L | 3.88 ERA | 51 IP | 59 SO | 23 BB
    Finished ’09: High Desert (Advanced Single-A California League)

    The Skinny: The best pure arm, and the player with the most upside in the Halladay-Lee blockbuster, was Aumont. He is not as far along in his development as Kyle Drabek but the raw stuff stacks up with anyone. Armed with a 92-95 mph heavy sinking fastball and a four-seamer he can sit at 94-98 mph with, the 6-foot-7 Canadian can get by on arm alone. Couple that with his plus breaking ball at 79-83 mph and Aumont has two pitches that could make him a downright dominant force.



    Age: 24 | Bats: R | Height: 6-6 | Weight: 250
    2009 Stats: .320 AVG | 20 HR | 84 RBI | .395 OBP | 21 SB
    Finished ’09: Lehigh Valley (Triple-A International League)

    The Skinny: The 6-foot-6, athletic outfielder has the type of talent that can help a team in all facets. He has 30-homer power potential and the ability to steal 20-30 bases in the majors. He has improved vastly in the last two seasons, and appears ready to start in the majors out of spring training in 2010.



    Age: 19 | Bats: L | Height: 6-1 | Weight: 190
    2009 Stats: .259 AVG | 2 HR | 52 RBI | .323 OBP | 76 SB
    Finished ’09: Lakewood (Single-A South Atlantic League)

    The Skinny: The Phillies’ scouting department has long been in favor of drafting athletes, and few athletes are as intriguing as Gose. Blessed with blistering speed that grades out as an 8 tool on the 2-8 scouting scale, Gose has the skills to wreak havoc on the basepaths. His times to first base are consistently under four seconds. Very few players come along that have the skills to be an elite big-league base-stealer, but he is one of them. He also shows an outstanding, plus throwing arm in center field. As far as his skills at the plate, he’s still quite raw.



    Age: 21 | Bats: L | Height: 6-2 | Weight: 190
    2009 Stats: .341 AVG | 9 HR | 42 RBI | .430 OBP | 44 SB
    Finished ’09: High Desert (Advanced Single-A California League)

    The Skinny: The world met Gillies at last year’s Futures Game, as he not only impressed with his inspiring story but also his potentially game-changing skills. Few players in the minors have the speed of Gillies, and he has the range to be a Gold Glove-caliber center fielder. The offense has continued to improve — the 21-year-old had a fantastic 2009 campaign, hitting .341 with nine home runs and 44 stolen bases.

    None of the prospects moved in the Lee deal got mentioned anywhere in this list, in fairness I think Jason Knapp was highly-rated last year, but battled injury with probably made him fall back this year

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Thank you Don. No being smart but, I’ve never heard of Fanhouse before. But Don, NOW can I get excited about Gillies?

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    wow, i saw gose myself, but had no IDEA he stole 76 bags! gilllies had a near 500 on base percent, and aumont is a stud. maybe the farm isn’t dead after all!

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think fanhouse is pretty new.. but they have legit sportwriters working for them

    I just thought that was interesting because everyone was burrying Aumount …. but before the deal went down, I listened to Jayson Stark and ?? someone else saying that Aumount is young, big, with a TON of potential

    and that Gillies is a contact hitter who can FLY .. (which is why I said before that maybe he’ll turn into a Victorino type one day)

    We’re young right now… with some decent prospects climbing the ladder. I really wish we had more legit pitching prospects on the way though, but I think Flande can be really good under the right coaching

    I saw him last year keeping the ball extremely low in the zone.. inducing ground balls etc.. it would be nice to have a more talented Kyle Kendrick type coming up in the system.. since you need #4 and #5 pitchers on your roster too

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Maybe these aren’t the world greatest propsects.. but they give us a chance to have some legit players still in the system

    and with our roster now, Marson, Donald, Carrasco, Knapp weren’t going to get any playing time anytime soon anyway…. now they’ve slipped down from being “TOP PROSPECTS”

    These are guys that in 2 years will be knocking on the door to the Majors, seemingly when we would need them the most

  • Posts: 96 Paul Boye

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    That list has some pretty big flaws on the whole, to be fair. It’s definitely pretty contrarian.

    As for Gillies: http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=502265

    You can see he had an extraordinarily high BABIP. If you normalize that (clicking “Luck” in the top right corner) his slash stats fall to a more pedestrian .295/.391/.421. Still excellent, and with his speed that’s a great line if he can sustain it, but he’s not a .350 hitter.

    That said! I do think he’s worth getting excited over. He’s not on Dom Brown’s level, but he could be very exciting.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I heard Stark say that about Aumont as well…that’s why I can’t understand all the bitching about the Lee trade…

    It’s not like we got “junk” in return.

    Fanhouse is a pretty good site.. I’ve looked at it before..I think it was linked to something else I was reading and that’s how I happened to see it.

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Proves the hit on the far was marginal and the front office did their due dilligence. I think in the back of the minds of the front office they probably said are we likely to get back to the WS a third straight year, and would anything else but winning outweigh the chances of securing a 3 window window to win plus a possible further window past that…

    No longer can this deal be looked at as Halladay vs Lee & the prospects, it’s now Halladay plus all the guys that have been locked up.

    Boy did Golson’s value fall off a cliff in a hurry…

    Good luck to Thome, glad he gets a chance to finish things off with some dignity instead of festering as a glorified pinch-hitter.

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    … And to think at the time Ramirez was being called the prospect with the highest ceiling in the trade…

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Yeah , I had heard that unless Ramirez was included in the trade …that it wasn’t happening..

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    You take a teams top pitching and 2nd highest positional prospect and a guy some consider better than both AND lock up 4/5th’s of your rotation under market value, for a would have been nice and no guarantee we’d get a pick in the top 30…

    Can we start calling this shrewd work yet?

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Keith Law ranked the minor league systems and the Phils came in at 24th overall.

    “They kept their best prospect, Domonic Brown but traded everyone else, and their next wave of impact guys largely spent 2009 in short-season ball. The Lee trade with Seattle restored some depth between Brown and the Anthony Goses and Sebastian Valles of the system.”

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Keith Law is a great scout but never has anything to say good about the Phils… Ever…

    Can anyone find a single article he raves about the Phillies like the Mets, Rays or Yankees?

  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    4 guys in the top 50 prospects? Sounds like a pretty good farm system. I know prospects are always a gamble, but how do the top Fangraph prospects pan out? Do they have a decent history of picking solid MLB players?

    I try to get to a few Pigs games every year, follow some of the younger guys, but don’t know much about the lower level farm except for what I read here and there. Outfield and pitching are the shorter term needs, but do the Phils have any low level infield prospects with potential?

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    NJ, Keith Law picked the Phillies to get to the WS last year and he said Chase Utley was the 2nd best player in all of baseball (behind Pujols).

    Those fanhouse ranking are highly, highly debatable. The consensus on Phuturephillies is that Dom Brown is the only Phillie prospect in the top 50.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Keith Law is a joke.. I don’t listen to anything he says…

    His opionion should count just as much as “Just Crushed” when he posts his hissy fits on this website..

    Law never says anything positive about the Phillies..

    Granted, Fanhouse isn’t the definite answer to IF THESE PROSPECTS ARE GOOD OR NOT

    but its a valid opinion as well .. I will be interested to see what Baseball America says about the prospects this year, but at the same time.. they said that Homer Bailey was the next great thing..

    and that Cameron Maybin was outstanding, etc..

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Aumont had a down year last year, but he’s really young, with a tremendously high ceiling..

    Gillies is good enough to hit .321 through 3 seasons of minor leaugue baseball.. . .

    Most of the time these scouts are way too obsessed with Power Potential.. instead of just watching guys help their teams win games. .

    Which to me, is exactly how Victorino went RULE 5 draft… slipped to the Phillies, and we managed to keep him

    Greg Golson was a highly rated prospect too …

    Basically, lets just see what happens, but wanted to put something out there that gives a positive spin on all the prospects involved in that trade..

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    The fact that Keith Law worked with former GM J.P. Ricciardi in Toronto tells you all you need to know in formulating an opinion about the guy.

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I mentioned this last month and got poo poo’d. Tyson Gillies batted .341 last year with 44 steals and a high OBP. Someone said, “Yeah, but he was in a hitters league”. I don’t give a damn. Correct me if I’m wrong but hitters leagues are primarily called that because of the climate, thin air v. thick air, etc. I wouldn’t imagine that it would affect singles hitter, i.e. Gillies, less than it helps the power guys like Eric Karros and all those Dodger guys from the PCL who hit 64/185/.388 in AAA. Gillies is a .321 career hitter, no matter where he plays, and the Phillies reportedly wanted him over the other guy, I forget his name already. I see him as a Michael Bourne type….but with hearing.

    The Dipsy

    P.S. The A’s are delusional for signing Sheets to that contract.
    P.S.S. N.J.- Where ya been?

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Wait…I thought he COULDN’T hear??


    I am certainly no expert…but what you say makes sense. I would think that someone could just as easily hit a single in Philadelphia as he could in a place like Denver…where the air is thinner.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The new thing in baseball is Great Speed, Gret Defense … Players aren’t hitting 50-60 HR’s anymore .. so you want the best All Around players

    Phillies have 3 legit prospects in their OF with

    Gose, Gillies, Brown ….

    None of them will ever be 50 HR hitters, but if they hit 15, and steal bags, take runs away on Defense.. that can be just as good


  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Right sorry…..”but without hearing”.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Speed isn’t really something you can teach.. you can teach guys to get more lift on the ball, and you can have them bulk up, and get stronger to hit HRs

    but a team with Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo can dominate and give teams fits, just the same as a team with Sluggers in the middle of the order

    the other thing is that the speedy, singles hitters usually get to the plate an extra time per game and can help you create more. . .

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Bourn’s deaf ??? Or just doesn’t listen to coaching?

  • Posts: 0 Billy

    Braves Rule!!!! We gonna beat yo butts this year! TOMAHAWK

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    WHo did fanhouse rate higher Saunders or Gillies? Just curious. anyone knoe were baseballamerica(the prospect bible) know were these guys rank?

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Oh wait, NOW Gillies is “legit” beacuse some idiot for Outhouse.com says he is? Well, it just happens I agree. But Gose has a LOT of work to do with his hitting. Man, Gose is fast.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Over/Under on Chipper Jones games missed due to injury this year

    65.5 Games

    I’ll take the over

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I know…it’s still over a month til the Spring Training games start…its been a looonnngg winter…

    Thanks God for this site …where “nerds” like us can shoot the sh!t about baseball on a cold January day..


    I’d almost rather have a guy that hits for average, steals bases, plays great defense,all of that…than have some .220 hitter that hits moon shots every day, but is a defensive liability.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Let me guess “Billy” ….your middle name is “Bob”

  • Posts: 0 George

    There are always differences of opinion regarding prospects. Thats why people like Shane Victorino or Johan Santana become rule 5 picks. I’ll go by the Phils’ scouts’ opinions. They seem to have done a pretty good job picking out the core of this team, so there’s no reason to think they flubbed up in scouting Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez.

    Golson turned out to be one of a few duds that every team drafts. The Phils caught on, and actually got a player for him, which is more than the Rangers got. Mayberry might turn out to be a dud, too, but he’s shown enough so far to not be designated for assignment. That’s a credit to the Phils’ scouts, too.

  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    Is Mayberry being counted on at all in the future?He seems to be lost on the radar screen this year.
    Last year everybody loved him.
    Whats the story?

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I’d hope (looking at a realistic picture) that Mayberry is the starting right-fielder in ’11 rather than being forced to go to the market.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Mayberry is really good at hitting fastballs …. so look for him to hit a couple HR’s early in Spring Training again …..and then once pitchers start mixing-in all their pitches, he’ll start striking out

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Picking up on something said earlier about the Mets they’ve screwed themselves, I hear rumblings they might move Pagan. They have to play Francour because their not moving Beltran to right, they can’t play Bay in right so what are they going to do… Put Matthews Jnr’s arm in RF…?

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I doubt John Mayberry Jr is the starting right-fielder in 2011…unless he figures out how to hit a breaking ball..

    If he started living up to his original potential…then, yeah, I guess that could be a possibility…

    Until then…look for the Phillies to get someone cheap until one of the other prospects is ready..

    This is assuming that Werth isn’t here…which is pretty likely at this point.

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Is anyone else wondering why Chan Ho is on the verge of signing a minor-leauge deal? I know he left cause he wanted to start but didn’t think that meant in the minors…

  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Power can develop, but average happens pretty quickly in the majors. If you can’t pick up a breaking ball, you’re outed pretty quickly, and it’s not something that really can be learned (you either have the eye or don’t). While some guys grow into power (even pre PEDs – Schmidt started out in the minors as a switch hitting slap hitter),you don’t see many who come up with a 220 average develop into a 320 hitter. Mayberry is an AAA+ player, a nice safety valve for a week or so, defensive replacement, but not a regular big leaguer. Pitchers with good breaking balls don’t stay in the minors long, so that weakness often isn’t identified until call-up time.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I’d take Francisco in RF over Mayberry, JR, but I hope it’s brown.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Chan Ho Park “shot himself in the foot.”..

    Had he correctly identified that he’s a more effective reliever…than a starter (which he still thinks he can do)…then he would have had more job offers earlier on

    He may have even been brought back by the Phillies..

    Now he’s staring at whatever he can get.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    offer Park 1 mil to be a reliever.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    For what its worth… I like Mayberry as a 5th OF …

    Some power from the Right-side.. he can hit a mistake.. and he’s better than a lot of other options for an injury replacement etc..

    But I dont think he’ll ever be a full-time starter here

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I would imagine that Ross Gload will be the 5th OF on the 25-man roster..???

    Yeah, Mayberry would be called up to replace someone on the DL.

  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    Wouldnt it be smart to bring back Chan Ho now ? If he can be had for less than we were willing to pay before?
    He is still the guy we wanted for the middle,an extra live arm cant hurt..

  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    So I guess the consensus is ….Mayberry isnt a future answer for Werth or Ibanez repalcement in a year or two..
    Boy he looked good last year for about a week.

  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Never heard of fanhouse . go to baseball america, for player evaultion. Aumont is not a top prospect because he has a hip condition, which he is downplaying but limited his innings, Gose also throws a 97 miles a hour fastball, but doesnt want to pitch unless he gets his shot at regular position. gillies has speed but so does a lot of toolsy outfielders, he hit in a hitter league, and a lot of his hits were infield hits, which scouts said when he moves up to double aa he wont get, ramirez is a arm who showed nothing, you can build these guys up all you want, but they werent top prospects going into this year, at one time aumont was, but now he is a suspect prospect.

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