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Phillies Prospects Make Several “Top 50″ Lists

Posted by Amanda Orr, Wed, January 27, 2010 10:18 PM | Comments: 84
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With spring training around the corner, it’s time for prospect rankings to be released.  Late last summer, Phillies Nation’s Ben Seal ranked the Phillies top 25 prospects.  Since the list, a few trades have been made, but that didn’t stop the Phillies from having multiple top prospects on MLB.com’s and AOL Fan House’slists.

ESPN’s Keith Law ranked the Phillies farm system 24th in baseball.  That’s a huge jump from last year, when the Phillies system was in the top 10.  As we all know by now, many prospects were traded.  However, the following list proves that the Phillies still have top talent in their farm system.

Domonic Brown (OF): Ranked 14th on MLB.com, 19th on Fan House

Brown is currently the best prospect in the Phillies organization.  With Jayson Werth’s future in jeopardy, Brown could be an every day major-leaguer as early as 2011.  He hit .313 last year and has five-tool potential.

Phillipe Aumont (P): Ranked 47th on MLB.com, 29th on Fan House

Aumont has had some injuries issues, but with his hard fastball and great slider, he can be nasty on the mound.  The Mariners converted him to a reliever due to injuries, but the Phillies will try to convert him back to a starter.

Anthony Gose (OF): Ranked 46th on Fan House

Many scouting reports are saying that he is still “raw,” but he has blazing speed.  He can be scary on the base-paths.

Tyson Gillies (OF): Ranked 50th on Fan House

Although known for his speed and defense, Gillies hit .341 last year.  His offense continues to progress, and like Gose, can be scary on the base-paths, as he stole 44 bases last year.

Former Phillies prospects: Kyle Drabek ranked 17th on MLB.com and 15th on Fan House.  Michael Taylor ranked 35th on MLB.com and 38th on Fan House.

MLB’s and AOL’s lists are fairly different, but they have something in common: they both notice the potential in these young Phillies prospects.  The Phillies also have several players, like Sebastian Valle and Trevor May, who did not make the list, but still have loads of potential.

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  • Posts: 0 BS

    I was surprised to see Fan House rank Aumont, Gose and Gillies that high, but hopefully they’re right.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    I don’t mean to trash your effort because thanks for pulling this together for a post, but both of these lists are pretty wonky. AOL’s is compiled by Franklin Pilliere, who made a big stink on twitter about how it was going to be controversial, and he seems to have designed it for that purpose. I don’t think Gillies or Gose would crack the top 50 on most lists, at least not yet. And MLB has had a history of fairly questionable prospect rankings.

    That being said, your main point stands in that the Phillies do have a strong system; it’s just mostly centered around raw, single A guys right now. As someone pointed out to me today, not many people other than Keith Law would rank the system as low as 24.

     
  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Great lists, although I feel that Trevor may could earn a place on the list very soon. He’s a guy that we don’t talk nearly enough about, but I am a huge Trevor May fan. With a bit more time in the minors, I think he could end up surprising a lot of people. He already has some filthy stuff, but needs some more time to develop.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I think this again emphasizes the point that we didn’t just get “junk” in the Cliff Lee trade..

    These prospects are on SOME list for a reason…and I’m sure that it’s not an accident..

    Based on what I’ve read and what I’ve heard about the guy….I am real excited to see what this kid Aumont can do.

    —–

    Phylan…

    These lists are “wonky”??? And that whole WAR thing ISN’T wonky???

    I appreciate stats, lists, and rankings as much as the next guy. Some of it is more useful than others. But I think there is WAY too much emphasis on just the numbers.

    Somebody yesterday said it best when he made the point that most of the time you can tell how good or bad a player is…just by watching him play the game.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Stats and rankings are good to a point, but I agree that the best way to determine ability is to actually watch the player.

    Years ago, I saw a Greenville Braves game (AA), and picked the three players I thought might make the bigs. Two were Jeff Blauser and Ron Gant. The third I attached a caveat to: “He’ll have to improve his control, or he won’t last.” That was pitcher Kevin Coffman, who did make the majors, but never improved his control and had an extremely short career. The rest of the team played like minor leaguers or worse. They could generate numbers, but only because the opposition wasn’t very good, either.

    Even we non-scouts can usually pick out true talent. Gant, for instance, was not producing spectacular stats when I saw him. But when he swung the bat, you just knew he had what it takes, and things would eventually click for him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Willie Wonky

    Aumont better turn out to be the Lebron james of pitching since we gave up Lee and barring injuries a rotation that you could consider almost a Lock for a 3rd straight WS.. sadly i dont see us getting back

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Keith Law ranked our Farm System 10th last year…. but probably also ranked our MLB team like 17th .. because he’s a jackass

    Do we have the greatest farm system in the league.. no … but we’re better than most teams at drafting athletes, and developing talent … and our Big League club is better than most others so we don’t need to depend on our farm as heavily right now


    Three players that I saw last year, in person, that really, really impressed me..

    Domonic Brown.. easy choice

    but
    P- Yohan Flande, ended the year at AA Reading.. this will be a big year for him, to either break out, or just fall into the pack

    CF- Quintin Berry, hit .266 for Reading.. stole 48 bases, .355 OBP … struck out too much … basically a light-hitting CF, but he can FLY …. covers a ton of ground in the Outfield, and if he can start making more contact, his speed will leg him out some hits

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Lebron James is the Jose Reyes of basketball ….. dancing on the bench when your team is winning by a few

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    Chuck, this has nothing to do with WAR, I’m just saying that these lists are a too high on Gillies and Gose, and probably Aumont. Watching a player and looking at his numbers should be held in equal regard – both are vital to evaluating a player.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    The truth is Gillies and Gose arent rated that high is so true and either is Aumont, the bulk of this system is at a ball so this is a big year for them after the year we could have a really good system or bottom of the barrell, you have valle, sanchez, gose, may just to mention a few who could move the system up or down depending on there progress.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    Also Domingo Santana, who is very raw but a very intriguing prospect, and Jiwan James

     
  • Posts: 0 Justin

    Keith Law’s Phillies Organization Top 10 List:

    Philadelphia Phillies
    1. Domonic Brown, RF
    2. Juan Ramirez, RHP
    3. Philippe Aumont, RHP
    4. Anthony Gose, RF
    5. Tyson Gillies, CF
    6. Sebastian Valle, C
    7. Trevor May, RHP
    8. Scott Mathieson, RHP
    9. Antonio Bastardo, LHP
    10. Jiwan (Nathaniel) James, OF

     
  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    In the latest Sports Illustrated …..as per 22 Gm’s and asst Gm’s,The Phils were tied at 4th with the Rockies for best farm system.
    Pretty good,better than I would have guessed.

     
  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    Sorry…Should have been Sporting News.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    It will be very interesting to evaluate this whole deal in 3 or 4 years. I’m OK with the whole thing now despite having wanted to Keep Lee.

    Marson, Donald, Carrasco, Knapp, Drabek, Taylor and Arnaud for
    Halladay, Francisco, Aumonte, Gillis, Ramirez and one year of Lee.

    Basically 7 prospects for a CY pitcher for 5 years, a 4th ML outfielder and 3 prospects.

    I would’ve wanted Saunders over Gillies, but we’ll see.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    We’ll find out a lot more about Gillies at Reading this year. Going to be a fun year in the minors.

    Anyone see the Braves yount outfield Heyward’s stats? Alefty taht hits lefties over .300 is pretty darn impessive. Braves are movin on up.

     
  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    BTW,those GM’s rated Amaro as as #3 best for -Best executive at making trades.(Beinfest from Marlins,#1,and Theo Epstein Red Sox #2)

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Phylan…

    I realize that these lists and WAR are two different things..

    The point I was making is that stats list and rankings are all great.. I read them, study them and appreciate them.

    This post by Amanda is about rankings and lists for some of our minor league prospects. They have merit.

    WAR is about stats.. WAR has merit..

    The point I was making is that stats AND lists are fine….but that, more importantly, you can get a pretty good idea if a player is good or not…just by seeing that player in person.

    I

     
  • Posts: 0 Evan

    The Phils don’t really have any infield prospects that could hit the majors in the next two years. It makes sense why they locked down Polanco for 3 years.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    32 teams, 25 men per roster, plus at least 3 levels of minors. While I love baseball, and spend more time on it than I should, I still couldn’t name half the starting mlb LFs from 2009. No chance that I’m going to catch more than a few games of anyone not in the NL East (except BOS and NYY), especially starting pitchers. Where the stats come in for me is a quick screening process (WAR, UZR,…., as well as traditional), then make an effort to watch the guys who make leaps (up or down). They are a start only, got to see the guys play (Ethier, Kinsler actually better than their very good stats, M Holiday, Bay, not so much).
    I would think the Phils are going to look for infielders this year, but their direction over the past several years has been to pick the best athletes available, regardless of position. Working so far.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Thanks
    Edumacate the fools so they can cry about losing people. Give me Ruiz over 1000000 Marsons. Stooges.
    But he hits 50 homers! But you are in last ( Piazza)
    I let the people who run the team deal with it.
    Lee trade OK 100%

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Keith Law rates J.C. Ramirez the 101st best prospect in baseball, which is a lot better than I thought.

    “Juan Ramirez, RHP, Philadelphia: Ramirez was prospect No. 101 this year. I wrote up one more player than I needed for the rankings, and he was the guy I cut to make the final 100. Ramirez came to the Phillies from the Mariners in the Cliff Lee trade, in which the Phillies added three prospects to replace the three they dealt to Toronto for Roy Halladay. Ramirez is slightly ahead of Phillippe Aumont — who was also involved in that trade — and has a better chance to work as a starter, whereas the Mariners already felt that Aumont’s future was in the bullpen. Ramirez has No. 2 starter stuff if he shows he can stay in the rotation; his fastball is up to 96 mph and he’ll sit 91-94 with some glove-side run, and he shows an above-average slider at 77-80 with a very sharp break. His changeup is rudimentary, and he likes to go to the slider in changeup situations. So far he hasn’t missed as many bats as a guy with his raw stuff should miss, with most of that trouble coming from left-handed hitters. He’s very skinny, listed at 6-foot-3, 175 pounds, and his arm slot is just below three-quarters, both of which would point toward a relief role. In his favor, he was just 20 in 2009, pitching in a great hitters’ park in High Desert, and should get to move to a saner environment in Reading in 2010 to show whether he projects as more than just a very good reliever.”

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    and for psujoe, Michael Saunders is 74th on Keith Law’s list while Gillies and Aumont aren’t ranked.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Quentin Berry is a non-prospect. He won’t even make the Phillies top 25 prospects.

    http://phuturephillies.com/2010/01/28/reader-top-30-19-3/

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    And we’re spending this much time talking about Keith Law….Why???

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Looking at lists always leads me to wonder how much actual scouting the compilers actually did. I’m sure that Keith Law and others haven’t made trips to dozens of minor league stadiums to view hundreds of minor league games. These lists are probably put together by consulting a few favorite scouts and looking at some statistics. They can be biased; they can be inaccurate for all kinds of other reasons.

    If the Phils’ scouting department wants a specific player, they probably have actually seen the guy and can maybe make better judgements. These lists are useful from a fan’s perspective, but major league scouts aren’t going to rely solely on lists. Let’s be thankful for that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    that might be true.. im just saying what i saw with my own eyes..

    Berry was a difference maker in the Eastern League.. which is a good league, Im not calling on him for All-Star games, just saying he’s a good baseball player

    He’s “young”, to my eyes, on that day.. had very good defensive instincts, and great speed

    plenty of room to grow, even if he’s just someone’s 5th OF later in life, you need them on your team too

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I’ve heard good things about Berry…I’ve never seen him play.

    Hopefully, he’ll turn out to be something….having “options” is always good.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    By prospect standards Berry is too old – 26 – considering he puts out pretty much league average production in AA. He’d be worth a late-season call up as a pinch runner, but that’s about it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    This is the problem with the whole “I just watch the players” mindset, by the way. Your sample size as a fan is never big enough. I probably watch 145ish Phillies games on TV a year, maybe 7 or 8 more on the radio, but between confirmation bias, unreliable memory (ask any lawyer about how awful eyewitnesses are), and the times I was drinking, I wouldn’t dare make a conclusive player evaluation without consulting the numbers (obviously in the case of the Phillies I know all of the players anyway, but you get the point).

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Consulting the numbers is fine….it SHOULD be done..

    All any of us are saying is that it seems like their is too much emphasis on stats…to make conclusive decisions….as opposed to “seeing for yourself”..

    You can get a real feel for a player by watching EVERYTHING he does….every movement…both on and off the diamond.

    Sometimes…by watching a player…you can “just tell” that he’s gonna be something.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Right.. but from looking at his numbers.. seeing his speed on paper and in the boxscore

    and then actually watching him create plays in person, on the field, I saw Berry as a productive player

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    A problem with looking too much into the numbers is that it would’ve told you that Chad Billingsley and Clayton Kershaw were/are dominating pitchers

    In reality, they choke when the spotlight gets bright, and neither is anything amazing …

    Kershaw will be, he’s still a kid … but Billingsley’s K-rates had people drooling over him at times.. Im sure his STATS (not to pick on WAR specifically) make him look great.. but when you watch him, you see there is more to it

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Phylan you are so right Berry is not a prospect, fast outfielder who cant hit are a dime a dozen. The phillies lead the majors in drafting toolsy fast outfielder, who cant hit. Golson prime example now we have berry, D’MEYERS, james and others, wish they would take some infielders.thats the way to stay good for a long time to be able to replace older players with young ones, case in point if we had a good thirdbase prospect we could have use the extra money for the starter or bullpen. if we had a 412 thousand dollar player at third that would have freed up money.same for the outfield had to go after ibanez and overpaid , if we had a prospect that was ready it would have given us more leverage in other areas to spend.If you think of it no shortstop prospects since 1999 pick of rollins.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Don M, I understand your point about solely relying on stats as opposed to trusting your own eyes. I think every team uses a combination of both.

    and Chad Billingsley is only 25 years old and in 634 career innings has an ERA of 3.55. Let’s give the kid some time before labeling him a choker.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    That’s a great e

     
  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    It says a lot about their farm system that they two significant trades, and still have good prospects.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Thats a great example with Kershaw and Billingsley….

    Kershaw has TONS of talent…but he’s still so young and not seasoned. I have a feeling that he may live up to his potential…not so sure with Billingsley.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Yeah…but you’re always going to be weak in some areas…and will have to resort to FAs to make up a roster. ….at least one that can compete as winners.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Here are 2 questions from a Keith Law chat today:

    “Michael (Philadelphia)
    What do you think of the Phils system below AA ball, I know they have some guys that have high ceilings
    Klaw (1:58 PM) A ton. Most are really far away, but guys like Gose, Valle, James, Hudson, Dugan, and so on are really interesting. Just not really a consideration for a list like this.

    Tom (PA)
    In your opinion, was the half year of Cliff Lee and the four years of Halladay worth it for the Phillies to practically empty their system (besides Brown)?
    Klaw (1:33 PM)Yes.”

    So maybe Keith Law doesn’t hate the Phillies as some people seem to believe.

     
  • Posts: 0 jrollpatrol08

    ya look…these types of lists arent designed to please everybody. its impossible to truly represent all the young talent in any sort of exact order. it seems the MLB list was more heavy on ‘hitters’ which is why the super fast OF types (gillies, gose) didnt make the cut, and why aumont was listed so far down on the MLB list.

    im still not thrilled about the lee deal. i wanted as bad as anyone the best 1-2 punch that i DEFINITELY would have ever seen in my lifetime as a past and future phillies fan. even one year. i wanted all my eggs in one basket…but im also a fan, not a businessman, so i understand the move for prospects. the hopeful-optimistic type in me says this– the phil mgmt and scouts and player development HAD to see these guys coming from seattle as pretty close (talent/upside wise) as the guys going to TOR for roy. so im hoping for the best. i do think aumont has great pure stuff, but his body type may not allow him to pitch massive innings as a starter. even if the guy goes to a bullpen role, it will definitely be a great alternative to the outrageous 12mil per season that brad lidge gets for the next 2 years. im excited to see this guy pitch.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Sorry but the Phillies made a huge mistake getting rid of Lee. We just don’t have the pitching to win it all. Halladay is great but one pitcher wont do it. Hamels is still up in the air for next season. Blanton is average. Did nothing in the post season. Then who. Should of gotten rid of Blanton and kept Lee. Lee and Halladay wins you the world series. Then you let Lee go at the end of the season. Go after a cheaper free agent pitcher in the off season. Just dont get it. Never will. Not for what they charge to see a game with your family. Phillies just didnt want to spend the money.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    Kershaw is dominant and will continue to be. He posted 171 innings with a 2.79 ERA last year. And the numbers tell you why. He struck out almost 10 batters per 9, let up only 0.37 HR per 9 (which is elite). He needs to get his walk rate down a bit, (4.79 BB/9 last year), and his ERA will go up a little bit this year when his BABIP normalizes (.274 in 2009), but he’s a great pitcher. I don’t think you could’ve picked a worse example. This is the hazard of going with anecdotal viewing of the players – you’re thinking of the rough outings he’s had versus the Phillies in recent memory.

    Billingsley is also a bad example – he’s a guy that scouts will look at and tell you he’s going to be dominant, but if you look at the stats for 2009 they’re unimpressive. Walk rate of almost 4 per 9, and 8 strikeouts per 9, and .78 homeruns per 9; the xFIP formula says that your ERA with those numbers should be 4.04, and guess what it was in 2009: 4.03. The stat sees the areas where Chad needs to improve. If you were a GM and looked at those numbers, you might not go crazy, but that’s why you have to use numbers and scouting (and I mean professional scouting) for proper evaluation.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    “We just don’t have the pitching to win it all…. One pitcher won’t do it”

    I could be wrong, but didn’t Cole Hamles JUST carry us to a World Series not that many year ago … or is that anceint history already?

    “Blanton is average. Did nothing in the postseason.”
    …you mean when he was getting skipped for starts, and placed into an unfamilier bullpen role?

    Jeff.. I think you’re missing the point … they COULD spend more money, but to do so, they would charge more for tickets, etc .

    So they are trying to give you a competitive team, and still give you a chance to take your family to see a game ….. Instead of one-or-the-other .. they have done a GREAT job of giving us BOTH for the past few years… and they are trying to keep that going

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’m thinking of the rough outing they’ve had against the Phillies ….. true

    I’m thiking of their lack of heart (they’ll get a pass cause they’re young).. but its the choke under pressure factor, C-U-P

    “CUP” ..only I haven’t seen a formula to predict 2010 CUP numbers yet.. hopefully next week, or at least by mid-February those numbers will be out

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    If Kershaw is so “dominant”….then maybe the Dodgers would have faced the Yankees in the World Series..

    Game 1 he lasted 4.2 innings…5 earned runs…5 walks…..1 HR allowed.

    Game 5 he came in in relief….lasted 2.0 innings….2 ER….1 HR..

    He probably shouldn’t have started Game 1…that’s where Torre made his mistake..he shouldn’t have been put into that situation.

    Game 5 he basically crumbled under pressure (I was there…it was amazing!!)

    I think Clayton Kershaw has TONS of talent…and a lot of potential to be a very good pitcher…but please don’t call him dominant..he’s not there yet.

    Maybe that’s anecdotal…the fact that I am using the NLCS as an example…but it’s a good example..

    Dominant pitchers don’t choke like that…twice…in one series.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    That’s what I’m saying – a 2 game sample size is completely worthless. Not only that, but all this “choker” and “heart” business is sportswriter jargon. You could look at 2 games in any guy’s career and say he choked or didn’t have the heart or whatever.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Don…I just realized in reading your post that I used CUP too….not realizing your “choke under pressure” phrase..

    I used “crumbled under pressure”

    I think CUP is soon to be a much sought after stat..

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    But it doesn’t make him a “dominant” pitcher..

    A “dominant ” pitcher can handle the pressure of the NLCS

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Kershaw IS dominant… just not against the Phillies. If anyone in the world of baseball has a biased view of that guy, it’s us Phillies fans! He’s a SUPERB pitcher. Still young… but he’s for real.

     
 
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