Comments on: Scott Eyre Retires

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By: Brian Sr. of CO

Brian Sr. of CO — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:56:59 +0000

I agree with Ed R. I would have liked seeing him back, but its over. Nice to see a player actuallystay true to his word. I like the fact that it was either the Phillies or retire. Too many times you see players get a complete attitude and want to “stick it” to their former team (ahem Brett Myers).

By: badburn

badburn — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:56:40 +0000

Schilling is about as borderline to being a hall of famer as it comes in terms of his career stats.

Everone will cite his playoff prowness as being what gives him the nod, but I ask is David Wells a hall of famer? If you answered “no”, then why should Curt Schilling get in? Moreover, it would open the door to a lot of other marginal hall-of-famers.

Parenthetically, how is it that Burt Blyleven still isn’t in?

Finally, Scott Eyre had a great run with the Phillies and going out with a flare isn’t a bad way to leave.

By: Jim Kaat

Jim Kaat — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:45:25 +0000

In regards to Roberto Alomar maybe the $15 lawsuit against him for having unprotected sex knowing he had AIDS had something to do with some of the writers who failed to vote for him? Has this story even been proving wrong yet? I realize there’s alcoholics, drug users, abusers, etc. in the Hall of Fame. However, it doesn’t mean that Alomar should have gotten in on his first try. Heck…Whitey Ford didn’t get in on his first ballot.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:17:47 +0000

Schmidt didn’t take steroids, bet on his team or kill anybody either…He’s just an arrogant a$$.

By: mikemike

mikemike — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:25:15 +0000

Excuse me one more point. personality shouldnt
enter into the hall. if mantle was a drunk and williams a creep what does that have to do with what they did on the field. Ted Williams fought for this country flying mission over enemy territory , and didnt have to, he vounteer for the duty and lost 5 years of his prime to do it, Mike schmidt I meet many times working for the phillies in the restaurant and in center city bars he came in many time , biggest jerk i ever met, but he deserves the hall of fame,for what he did on the field.

By: mikemike

mikemike — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:19:02 +0000

Excuse me steroids do enhanced your eye sight . and help you hit the ball farther. ty cobb killed someone after he was in the hall. Not when he was playing. So we should let these cheaters in , what kind of morals and respect can you have for these great game , if you think like that. Why hasn’t anyone come close to 70 homruns since they got caught> but drugs dont help joke. Hopefully the people that think like this dont teach there children to cheat, to say others did it is a poor reason to accept these cheaters feats. Do you say to the kids if you dont get caught its allright to cheat. Or if so and so is doing it you should too cant understand that thinking. Bonds and Sosa did drugs to enhnaced there performance, while others try to play the game the right way. Guys bust there butt trying to get to the majors, and do the best they can with god given talent, we are setting a poor example to the future kids of baseball and other sports,

By: George

George — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:37:20 +0000

GIVE UP ON THE PARK THING!! The Phils can’t afford him, and have stated so repeatedly. He was worth the $2.5 million last year, but he’s been asking way more than that, and still thinks he can and should start. Thats why they signed Baez.

By: George

George — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:32:45 +0000

I guess I might as well add my two or three cents to the Hall of Fame/PED discussion.

First, while many did use PEDs, they were only perhaps attempting to improve their chances in the game. So were all those earlier players who used amphetamines, spitballs, sharpened spikes, racial slurs, etc. In other words, the ’90′s weren’t the only decade filled with cheaters and bad characters. They were, however, the only one in which testing for banned substances became the norm. In the early days of baseball, the FDA didn’t exist, and such delicious items as cocaine, laudanum, opiates, etc. could be purchased over the counter. Imagine a hopped up batter, not even blinking during an at-bat, or a coked-to-the-gills pitcher leaping off the mound in a menacing and erratic manner. Ty Cobb–while I’ve never read of any murder charges against him–was a big pusher of CocaCola, which at the time not only contained a ton of that acceptable performance enhancer, caffeine, but also quite a bit of cocaine. (The Coke people used to give free samples out at school yards!) So maybe we should lighten up on our comparisons of today’s embarrassing players with yesterday’s alleged choir boys.

Alomar I think got a face slap due to his spitting at an ump–although the argument could be made after this year’s playoffs that many umps deserve the same–and will be voted in later. And my thoughts on Palmeiro are that he wasn’t the greatest in any single year, but it takes all kinds of tenacity to be way above average until you’ve actually hit 500 home runs. Don Sutton is a valid comparison. He was never a league best winner, but stuck around to win 300 games, and he’s in the Hall. You have to grant some concessions for a player who delivers in an above average way for such a long period of time.

Schilling, to me, is not a hall of famer. His numbers aren’t there. Close, but not there. Clemens is a total complete f—head, but he does have the numbers, and I don’t think steroids helped much with the break on his pitches, his control, or his pitch selection. Same with Bonds–steroids don’t help you see the pitches better, or keep your swing smooth and consistent.

By: Malcolm

Malcolm — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:57:58 +0000

Best of luck, Scott! Now, let’s go sign Chan Ho!

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:31:12 +0000

Ty Cobb was flawed….He killed a guy. And he’s one of the charter members.

By: bfo_33

bfo_33 — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:17:41 +0000

I love the game of baseball. I’ve always rooted (routed? I never know which) for the Phils, but sometimes struggled to emotionally bond to the players (esp late 80s and late 90s). In those times, the love of the game overcame the shortcomings of the team. The game is perfect, the players, owners,…, are not.
To go hard core against PEDs, anyone who played from 91 – 2005 is in question. After Manny got bagged (I always figured he didn’t have the mental capacity to get the cycles right), there isn’t a player in baseball who would surprise me. Not saying they all did it all the time, but the whole era is in question. It would be impossible to determine who was clean, who wasn’t.
I don’t think suspicion of PED use should play into whether someone goes into the hall or not, just like personality shouldn’t. It should be acknowledged (which baseall will never do) that there was abuse of an illegal substance, and anyone who tested positive or admitted to use should have it noted, but the numbers should be the deciding factor. Big Mac, Sosa, Bonds should go in. Palmeiro shouldn’t, just because he was never one of the top 5 players in any given season.
A-Rod and Petite are lucky. By the time they come up, the PED anger will have dissipated, and they’ll both be first ballot HoF’ers (assuming Petite has two more good years).
Mikemike, I’d agree with Robinson and Mays, but Williams was nasty and miserable, Mantle and Ruth drunken carousers. Great players who deserve to be in the hall, but mostly flawed men.

By: mikemike

mikemike — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:35:28 +0000

Bonds, Sosa, Schilling make the hall, Then all of us parents should give our kids steroids to perform better, that is a stupid statement to say. parents shouldn’t, but if Bonds and sosa make the hall ,too drug users who broke records illegally, then there is no justice in the game we all love. Schilling I dont think gets in to me he is borderline. and the writers hate him. I think of mantle playing in pain, ruth, jackie robinson being called names playing this game fair and the right way, Ted Williams giving up 5 years of his prime to fight for his country, Willie Mays a model citizens and great guy with kids, and you want these great men to be put in the hall with those two drug users who cheated to get records. What a shame anyone would think like that.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:11:36 +0000

For all we know…Cal Ripken, Jr…..one of my all-time favorite players….and I guy that I would love to consider “squeak-clean”….could have cheated….Who really knows about ANYONE??

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:04:25 +0000

you can’t say that other guys are definitely “dirty” and that Griffey and Schilling are definitely “clean”

you just have to know that it was the steroid era of baseball..

Griffey ballooned a little bit, but that might have been due to lack of playing, maintaining his playing weight, etc.. we’ll never know

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:40:28 +0000

I agree that Alomar was one of the best second basemen ever….but there’s no doubt that the “spitting incident” has gotten in the way….not saying it’s right…but I get it.

Schilling gets in….the FIRST time.

Clemens….I have a problem with him….but not because of the numbers…but his actions. Same with Sosa and Bonds…

I don’t know….where’s the line with all this steroid stuff??

By: bfo_33

bfo_33 — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:26:48 +0000

The most offensive output for a position is meaningless to me. If he continues his ways, Utley will be one of the great all time 2nd basemen, but his offensive stats should be compared to other great hitters (which are still hof worthy if he keeps it up several more years). One exception is catcher – for the beating they take day in and out, to have numbers like Piazza is amazing. I think he is a no brainer.
The problem I have with Palmeiro (besides PEDs) is he was never one of the best players in the league, he was consistent for a very long time. He usually wasn’t even the best hitter on his team (when on the Rangers, Juan Gon and Pudge where biger threats, with Baltimore, Tejada,…).

By: NJ

NJ — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:10:32 +0000

With the guys who got caught doping (and not the grey area, were what they using PEDs like Bonds) I don’t know how Sosa can get in but not Palmeiro…

Can’t wait for Griffey’s day to get in the Hall compared to all of these other guys

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:50:50 +0000

Bonds yes
Clemens yes
Schilling yes
Sosa yes

Lofton, Wells, etc.. No

Biggio never won anything great, and I remember him more for being a gritty player, than a GREAT player

Piazza.. I dont know how I feel about him as a Hall of Famer
but the numbers don’t lie .. 13 time All-Star .. .308 avg, 400+ HRs

at least half of those HRs came against the Phillies I think

By: bfo_33

bfo_33 — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:30:17 +0000

From what I’ve seen, Dipsy’s initial responses are highly emotional, after a settling period, logic tends to win out.
Not many first timers in Hall voting the next two years (Bagwell is the only solid candidate in 2011, maybe Olerud), but 2013 should be very interesting – heart of the Steroid era:
2013
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker.
I could make a pro and con argument for the 1st 8 guys on the list. Piazza is the only one who doesn’t have too much controversy. I think Schilling gets in (although maybe not first time) for his post season record and press relationships.