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Shane Victorino Signs Extension

Posted by Paul Boye, Thu, January 21, 2010 08:13 PM | Comments: 130
Arbitration, News, Payroll, Posts, Signings

Craig Calcaterra of NBC Sports is reporting that a source has told him that the Phillies and center fielder Shane Victorino have agreed to a three-year, $22 million extension.

The report continues a flurry of contract news for the Phils, who just announced the extension of pitcher Joe Blanton earlier today. Victorino, 29, hit .292/.358/.445 with 10 homers in 2009. This was his second year of arbitration eligibility.

With extension talks in progress for Carlos Ruiz, the Phillies would likely have seven of eight positional starters under contract for at least 2010 and 2011.

UPDATE, 10:10 am: The Victorino press conference will be today at Noon at Citizens Bank Park.

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  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Wow. So there goes Jason. Just trade him now.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 96 Paul Boye

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    Interesting. Why would you look to trade Werth?

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Money, Homey.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    Nah, trading Werth would be a bad move.

     
  • Posts: 0 PhxPhilly

    I just mentioned in the Blanton comments that the Phillies seem to spend about $1M/yr than I would like on these longer deals, hoping the players would give a ‘championship club’ discount.
    In the comments on the arbitration posting I proposed a 3yr $19M deal for Victorino (should have guessed 4.5, 6, 8.5). But apparently could not add since my guess came to $21M. Most likely he will get (5,7,10) which again seems like reasonable market value.

    I agree that means bye to Werth or Howard next year. Arbitrate Werth. If he accepts then they have to shop Howard. A lot will depend on Dom Brown.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Werth has no Arb.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    I’m guessing Phx means offer and accept the draft picks..since Werth would be a FA

     
  • Posts: 96 Paul Boye

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    He can be offered arbitration if he qualifies for Type A or B status, which he may yet do.

    Even so, I don’t see him accepting. But that’s a while off.

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    As of the end of the season Werth ended with type A ranking, so it’s almost a certainty he’ll be an A or B FA

     
  • Posts: 0 1993 vs 2009

    Werth is a beast with the bat and he has a cannon arm! And if he ever learns to attack that 1st pitch fastball he always seem to get along with laying off the low junk he’ll be unstoppable. I guess we’ll see what he does for an encore in 2010 1st. I do realize his trade value is white-hot right now. But this dude plays with no fear. I’d hate to see him go. Ibanez/Vic and a Werth replacement?? I don’t know about that one unless we get a helluva starting pitcher out of a potentisl trade. Remember that moon-shot he hit off Andy Pet in Game 3?

     
  • Posts: 96 Paul Boye

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    Yes, it looks like Werth is firmly entrenched in the Type A range. Barring major injury and good numbers from those behind him, he should stay there through this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    i know everyone is hating the blanton signing, but he is a bulldog. and this team hits, all we can ask for.

    i think blanton took less to sign. now all 4 locked up through 2012

    shane at 22 for 3 year? thats great news, i jumped outta my chair just like i will all summer, hes a hell of a ball player and my best glove on the team if u ask me.

    halladay on opening day? great rotation, same team, get it back raullll and lets go phils

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I would have rather seen Vic traded at some point…to make room for Werth…this doesn’t look good for Jayson as a Phillie…past this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Dipsy…
    What are your continued thoughts on that 4/45 idea for Werth..??..

    And…what now about Ryan…think we can pull off a 5/100 extension??

    Seems to me that the Phils are gonna have to choose one or the other…

    Thoughts??

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Will Dom Brown be ready to take over RF in 2011? I’m not sure he will be.

    This means the end of Werth but I think the Phils knew that re-signing him would be impossible. At least they’ll get 2 draft picks.

     
  • Posts: 0 PhxPhilly

    Assuming Victorino and Ruiz make $10M total in 2011 the Phillies have ~$134M in obligations. That only includes 3 relievers (Lidge, Madson, Baez), with a $4.5M option on Romero, and Kendrick as the 5th starter.
    I do not see Werth fitting in that <$6M window.

    For this season, I estimate Ruiz and Victorino at $7M combined with Halladay cash and Jenkins, Eaton, Feliz buyouts that Phillies are at ~$138M now with an open spot for one relief pitcher.

    My 2009 estimate (with buyouts + acquisition of Cliff Lee) was ~$140M.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Everything I’ve heard is that Brown is to take over in LEFT…meaning that Ibanez could be traded next offseason…or if Brown isn’t ready for the beginning of the 2011 season…then Ibanez could be traded at the deadline in July 2011..

    If Ibanez is traded in the offseason…that could make room for Werth financially??

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    If your talking 2011, then I would assume that the payroll would be a little higher than $140MM…??

     
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    Before we are all ready to say good bye to Jason Werth we should keep in mind that Ruben has been really good about signing players to extensions over the last two years. Madson signed for three years when it was not expected, Howards signed, and now Blanton and Victorino.

    What Ruben can do next year if offer Werth a contract with a low pay figure for the first year and then increasing his pay in the following ones. That way we turn part of what we are currently paying Ibanez into a raise for Werth then bring in Brown to replace Ibanez.

    Hey I can try to be optimistic right?

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    This is why I wouldn’t have given Ibanez that 3rd year, but that’s a whole other story.

    I think both of today’s signings are solid.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Hey, maybe Werth will be the one that’s signed and Howard goes. That would not be out of the question, IMO. Look at it this way. The total cost of the remaining salary problems guys for this year is:

    Werth 7m
    Howard 19m
    Ibanez 12.7m

    So that’s 33.7m. If Jason would sign a 4/45 extension and Ryan would take a 3/66 extension, then 2011 could look like this, when Ibanez drops off: (God, if we could just trade Ibanez for ANYTHING, we could probably sign them both. Hell, trade him for a prospect and sign Dye for 4 mill or whatever.)

    Werth 10m
    Howard 22m
    Dominic Brown $400,000 or whatever.

    That 32.5. Does it seem doable? I think so. Shane took a really low number. So did Blanton. I think altogether the Phils saved about 7-9m combined between the two contracts. Work your magic Ruben.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    This doesn’t even definitely effect Werth..

    The payroll has gone up each of the past 5 seasons or so… I’d imagine it will increase next year as well

    There is a chance Domomic Brown is ready for the Majors next year, and with Ibanez in the final year of his deal, the Phillies could look to move him to an AL team in the offseason

    Also.. Victorino’s extension just clears up the arbitration situation.. you would imagine he would get AT LEAST .. $5-6 M this year, $7-8 M next year, if he were still arbitration eligable.. now he’s locked up longer, and you know the exact amount. Teams LOVE knowing their payroll in advance, AND they love not dealing with arbitration.. which is why so many players are inked to 2-3 year deals that buy out arbitration + a year or two of Free Agency

    Great moves today if the Blanton and Victorino things are really done-deals

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Griffin.. again …. if you didn’t give Ibanez that 3rd year.. he probably doesn’t sign here. And without him in the 1st half last year, we would’ve been behind in the NL EAST .. who knows about a playoff appearance again??

    Phillies can’t just walk around and play “hardball” with every Free Agent.. they need to come to an agreement. there were like 7 teams interested in Ibanez last year, and the Phillies made sure they got the guy that fit this team/lineup best . I would say they made the right decision with Ibanez

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    The way the phils are attacking these arbitration eligible players with contract extensions is showing a commitment to the “core” of this team. With the exception of Howard, Werth is the only one needed to lock up. Don’t forget moyer will be off the books to help ease the impact of what Jason is gonna be getting. They can’t roll the dice and hope that Brown could fill his shoes quickly. Plus the phils with this “price limit” they have on the franchise is total bs! Merchandise alone off of the Halladay items could pay to keep Werth here! My prediction some point this season, Jason gets locked up and hopefully they can persuade Ryan into taking some sort of discount to stay with a true contender…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Don – If Ibanez doesn’t sign here last year we still win the divison. He did nothing the second half of the season. AND we would be 30somethingmillion richer.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    Another thing the oranization fails to always add to their money situation is ticket sales raising every year and more and more sell outs each season. Also, don’t forget you receive money for postseason appearances. If the phils come out and say to the fan base, “tickets are being raised $2-4 to help sign players…..” would I be the only one to be on board with that? I know that’ll never happen…..but one can dream…

     
  • Posts: 0 jrollpatrol08

    wow alot goin on today…i like the blanton deal better, to be honest. i really really thought/wanted the phils would go year to year with victorino, just to see where they stand with jwerth next offseason. if werth walks, THEN sign victorino to the 3year 22-24mil deal. if werth stays, phils have plenty of cheap OF alternatives with the speed attribute of victorino. i like the guy, but his skills are easier to replace than those of werth. but i guess we shall see…i mean i really think this adds fuel to the argument that howard probably wont resign here after his current deal is over. and that sucks. ps–howard, being 32 at the end of this contract, i think we would be lookin more like 100mil for 4 years, not 5. if another team in the AL offers him 5 he ll prob change cities

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    ibanez is a great ball player, better than pat the bat and he was my favorite in the vet days. i went to the citi field foggy 10th inning game, sat in utleys corner and was hoping he’d end it but raul grooved that one justtt out of the park. great game, great to rub it in my mets cousins faces. we got a ring! i was yelling it, 2009 was a great year, 2010 WE LOOK SO MUCH BETTER!

     
  • Posts: 0 jrollpatrol08

    nobody is gonna take a 38 year old making 12mil per season. raul ibanez is here till the end of the contract. i see his production noticibly decreasing by early/mid of 2011, which is when brown would be definitely ready for MLB action

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Dipsy..I disagree..

    Ibanez helped this team last year to win the division…I’m not sure how it would have looked with out him..
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    I would assume as well that Ibanez is moved if Brown is ready to take over in left.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    Just a thought……depending on what Pujols does with the cards, that could me a model for what Howard could do with us.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    jrollpatroll08…

    By mid 2011…if Brown is ready…THAT’S when Ibanez is moved…maybe to an AL team..

    We get what we can for him…and thank him for his services as a Phillie.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    yeah them dropping Moyer after this year will free up a lot of money going toward Werth’s signing

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Let’s say Ibanez is traded next offseason…that frees up…what?…$11.5 Mil

    Moyer…6.5

    That’s $18 million available for guys like Werth, etc..

     
  • Posts: 0 deitz

    Backloaded contract to Werth, say 10,15,15,15 and the all important Amaro year 15. $3.00 avg ticket increase=10million. 150 million budget going forward. Brown plays extra year in minors ( that’s their style anyway). Brown takes over for Ibanez in 2012. Ibanez and Lidge walk after 2011 freeing up enough for raises to Howard, Werth, Hamels, maybe even Rollins. Or hope Ibanez has a good year, brown is ready and trade ibanez to an AL team to play LF/DH. Phils still might have to eat 4-5mill though. What becomes a problem is if Brown is not ready, or age catches up with ibanez making him untradeable and 140mill is the budget ceiling going forward. Now they might be forced to trade Howard.

     
  • Posts: 0 1993 vs 2009

    We can’t convien. take bits and pieces of one player’s numbers and combine them with another former player. Simply makes no sense. Pat the Bat stay here was over. Period. RAUUL was a demi-god here who was well on his way to the NL MVP until the injury. Ibanez did not have a history of getting hurt before signing w/Phils. As some one mentioned earlier, no way Ibanez comes here for less than three years. He would’ve ended up as a NY Met otherwise. Now that’s a thought! Ibanez, Beltran(i know about his injury) and Jason Bay all Muttts. I personally think the Phils should’ve given him an abrab deal of 9-10mill. High yes, but may have saved Phils a cool 14=15mill. This will be the 2nd straight season Blanton and the other starters (minus Roy) will be pitching following a short off-season. Not complaining because it meant we made it back to the WS, but it could have an effect. I like Blanton. I hope he pitches well and he probably will. But after Eaton and now Lidge and Moyer, I’m very skpt. of more potential dead weight pitchers on the payroll. I really hope he doesn’t become that.

     
  • Posts: 0 1993 vs 2009

    And wear do the Phillies go get a starting LF fielder good for 25-30hrs & 90+ rbi for $10mill in 2011?? Let’s give Ibanez a chance to play healthy again before we bury him alive. No way some kid fresh up from the farm puts up those kinda numbers… Not even close…

     
  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    I just pray the Phillies can work something out with Werth, and it’s still possible that they may. The Phillies took him in when everyone else had given up on him, took a chance and turned him into one of the BEST all around outfielders playing in the game today. There’s a fair chance that Werth realizes this as well, and it could influence him to try and stay here.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    Great call wfc…..let’s hope his conscience plays a big role in his decision come the time

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    No championship team ever keeps all thier players. It isnt even common sense to keep them. Werth reminds me alot of Rowand. i love him great for the team etc etc but I could see another team grossly over paying him which means he will have to go. Trade Ibanez? No one else wants that contract.
    Two thumbs up for the victorino deal. His glove alone is worth the money.

     
  • Posts: 0 1993 vs 2009

    We gotta keep this dude here… Howard w/o Werth hitting behind him would not be a good situation….

     
  • Posts: 0 1993 vs 2009

    Please don’t compare Rowand to Jason Werth…. Werth is a rock star with 45hr potential…

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Great signing. Along with Blanton. They made great strides today to shore up the team in key areas for some time to come. Next is Ruiz…I would have to think that Jayson Werth is 100% gone though, as they will go with someone young – Brown or Gillies – at that position when he leaves. Theyve got a LOT of money tied up and theyre going to try and save somewhere…

    For now though. I love locking up Victorino and Blanton.

     
  • Posts: 0 1993 vs 2009

    It seems like they’re kinda bleeping up this potential Dynasty to me…. Ruben said we’re trying to win for yrs to come??? Windows can close very quickly…. Werth/Howard one is probably gone may be be both. Are they secreting cloning them.?

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    I’m not sure Werth is gone. Some money comes off for 2011, mostly Moyer, and in 2012 Ibanez is no longer under contract. A back loaded deal with Werth is still possible. The contracts for Victorino and Blanton aren’t all that high. The team would have to pay SOMEBODY to take their places, and all the recent “somebodies”–and a slew of “nobodies,” have been signing for the same amount or more.

    Re-signing Howard could be doable, too. He’s making $19 million now, so $3-4 million more/year isn’t impossible. It depends, of course on how much middle relievers and bench players cost, and how a contract is structured.

    So far, Amaro seems to know what he’s doing. I didn’t expect multi-year deals for Vic or especially Blanton. The Victorino terms haven’t been released yet, but the terms of the Blanton deal were far better than I could have imagined. With the constant increase in free-agent salaries, these two may look like real bargains in 2012, and a bargain is always good trade bait just in case.

    Tom: Whatever Pujols signs for means absolutely nothing when considering Howard or anyone else. Pujols is in a class by himself and will be paid as such.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian Sr. of CO

    The Dipsy was definately sleeping the first half of the season. Like it or not, second half slump or not, Ibanez was a beast in the first half of the season, and one of the biggest reason we had such a substantial lead going into the All Star break was Ibanez. When Howard Utley and Rollins were sleeping the first half of the season, Ibanez was carrying the team. Lets just concentrate on Vic for now, when the other players come up, lets see what they do. I for one was surprised when the signed Howard for the amount of money they did. I couldnt believe they actually spent money. They may surprise us again with Werth or Howard. I dont think this definately knocks Werth out any more then what his contract demands probably will be anyway. If they went to Arbitration and he won, Vic would have gotten 5.8. Thats not that much of a difference between the 7.3 (average per year) and 5.8 to say Werth is gone any more than what Werth is probably going to want, but does anyone really know what Werth will want/ask for/demand/settle for? I doubt it. I also think that George brought up a great point about Moyers contract is up this year and Ibanez next. That does free up money, and if they say Brown is ready for Left, that sounds to me, they have the intention to keep Werth (if possible) and letting Ibanez walk after his contract. The question will be will they possibly over extend themselves for a year to keep this wicked team intact for the next few years.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Still working this one out in my head. I am absolutely convinced that the Phils knew they could sign Blanton to a three year deal when they traded Lee. 3 years of Blanton at a reasonable price is worth more than 1 yr of Lee (one year of each, Lee is certainly worth more).
    A big part of me thinks that Shane is replaceable. He’s fast, with a canon arm, but he really isn’t a great defensive outfielder (reminds me a lot of Jim Edmonds in the field, gets a poor jump, takes bad lines, then recovers due to straight speed, gets the web gem, where Andruw Jones in his prime made the same play look easy). With that said, he makes the play.
    He gets on base, but falls into periods of bad plate discipline, gets lost for a week a few times a year. When he has to go from one side to the other during a game, he is an easy out.
    Seems like they overpaid. On the other hand, the only comparable centerfielders are Sizemore (who had a bad year on a bad team) and Kemp (Beltran has better skills, but who knows how much he’s going to play, plus he doesn’t seem to like baseball very much).
    A three year deal at a reasonable price also makes him easier to trade next season if Brown is ready (we saw this year that even a stud like Lee is tough to trade when there is only 1 year left on a contract).
    It appears to be a solid deal, but personally I would have gone after Werth first. My guess is they have already put feelers out there with Werth, and either are in progress on something, or are too far apart to continue.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    DIPSY IBANEZ CARRIED THE TEAM IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE SEASON. I do believe the victorino signing is a sign that they will let werth go, they do need to get some kids to help them, the main concern that I have with brown is, he is not a good outfielder, and doesnt hit for power, to project him to be your left fielder or right you will lose a lot of power there. They must find a starter from the minors to take moyers place .to have any chance to sign howard.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Jim edmonds wasnt a great center fielder, did y say that?? shane isnt a top defensive outfielder? did you say that??????? or maybe I MISREAD

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    YES! Ibanez had a tremendous first half of the season. I like Raul. Not at 12.6m. To me, if you’re getting paid that kinda money, you gotta be more than just a pro hitter. Poor fielder, poor speed. But he can hit. Love him at 7.5, hate him at 12.5. And he’ 37, 38? He’s sucking up payroll. And by the way, Jim Edmonds was a GREAT outfielder. Shane is a good one, too. An Amaro mistake in a thicket of successes.

    The Dipsy

     
 
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