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Shane Victorino Signs Extension

Posted by Paul Boye, Thu, January 21, 2010 08:13 PM | Comments: 130
Arbitration, News, Payroll, Posts, Signings

Craig Calcaterra of NBC Sports is reporting that a source has told him that the Phillies and center fielder Shane Victorino have agreed to a three-year, $22 million extension.

The report continues a flurry of contract news for the Phils, who just announced the extension of pitcher Joe Blanton earlier today. Victorino, 29, hit .292/.358/.445 with 10 homers in 2009. This was his second year of arbitration eligibility.

With extension talks in progress for Carlos Ruiz, the Phillies would likely have seven of eight positional starters under contract for at least 2010 and 2011.

UPDATE, 10:10 am: The Victorino press conference will be today at Noon at Citizens Bank Park.

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  • Posts: 0 Brook

    Mike, he did say that…
    I’m supposing that bfo rates defense differently than the GG selection team. As a matter of fact, perhaps bfo has a system we all should be using. Shane has 2 GG’s 2008 & 09.
    ??

     
  • Posts: 0 erik

    There has been a little talk about Vic’s defense and his going on cold streaks at the plate, thus leading to some minor complaints about this deal. “Trade Victorino” talk has been rampant on this site. Stats are stats, and this man led the team in BA last year and was third in runs scored. Not to mention back to back Gold Glove awards. I think his deal is an absolute STEAL.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Have no problem with victorino deal. Blanton deal is okay if he isnt counted on to be a two. As a fourth or fifth starter he eats innings, but dont think he is anything special, but in todays market 8 million for a starter isnt a lot.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Can we stop the “Mets were going to sign Ibanez if the Phillies didn’t give him the third year” nonsense?

    If the Mets wanted an OF last year, they would have signed Dunn or Abreu (who had to settle for $5 mil). The Phils signed Amaro early and misread the market.

    And no team is going to take a 38 year-old Ibanez making an absurd $11.5 mil in 2011 unless the Phils eat at least half of it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Can we all just stop with talking about how much Amaro “overpaid” for Ibanez…

    At the time….that’s what it took to get him here…and so far…he really hasn’t disappointed… now has he??

    Most likely by next offseason…or by the 2011 trading deadline…he’s gonna be gone anyway…assuming Brown is ready????

    So that $12.whatever million is either completely off the books for next year..or partially so if he’s gone by the deadline…

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    George: there is no comparisson to Albert but if you were going to arbitration with Ryan who do u think his attorney makes a correlation to? Granted Ryan has only one MVP to pujols 3, but he does have a sliver slugger,rookie of the year and two all star appearances to go with his 222 hr and a slug%.586 and an ops around .961 but I guess that’s not good enough to have even the slightest relationship between him and Albert made. Btw 08 Howard 2nd in MVP votes and 09 he was 3rd. Again he’s not Albert, but c’mon he’s our version! And if he keeps improving his d why would u just let him walk?

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Ibanez is a career .290 hitter, with power… strong work ethic, good clubhouse presence… he was batting behind Howard for a good part of the season and he produced despite the L-L-L… He will come back strong this year, no questions asked.

    Victorino deal: It seems like a good deal… and at 7.5M per year he can be traded later on if the Phillies need to. Though as the days go by, I think it’s way more likely now that we stay with Werth + Vic + Ibanez, with Ibanez being replaced by Brown sometime during 2011. We should go after Werth before he hits FA…and then that would only leave Howard on the negotiation table. He’ll have a whole All-Star team to play with, he’ll decide if he wanna stays or not. Don’t forget he already has a multi-year, million dollar contract… so it’s not like this is his only chance to get a huge paycheck.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    GG is the worst indicator of good defense (re Derek Jeter, looks like David Bell out there,not sure he can tie his shoes anymore). I’m not saying that Vic is a bad centerfielder, and I think this is decent signing. All I’m saying is the talk of his defense is based on web gems, not day to day playing.
    Look up his zone rating. 2006 was his best fielding year, and he has dropped every year since. Same for range rating. Look up the stats, he is an average CF(can find them at any number of sites, fangraph is pretty easy to navigate). Don’t believe in the stats? While not perfect, they are a whole lot better than GG voting.
    The whole point is that going from Vic to Werth (or other replacement options) would not be a defensive disaster. If you are pinning this signing strictly on defense, it is a bad one. On the whole, what Vic brings: the energy, decent stick, gets on base, it is a solid signing.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Eating half of it would still clear half off the books.. so its still a doable contract

    Dipsy.. you are way smarter and way more knowledgable on the Phillies to say something along the lines of Ibanez didn’t carry the Phillies last year

    He got hurt, and slowed down his production, but without him in the first half.. we would’ve had to battle like crazy.. probably never make the Lee deal, etc..


    Who is counting on Blanton to be a #2 ?
    He’s most likely #3-4 depending on Happ’s season… and even at #3-4 he’s better than what pretty much every other team in NL would throw out there in that spot .. for $8 M he’s a great contract

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Chuck – C’mon with your “at the time” thing, please. “At the time” I thought it was a good idea to give myself a mohawk. “At the time” I thought that girl was good looking. “At the time” Hitler thought it was a good idea to invade Poland (he marched in backwards and told everybody he was leaving). “At the time” in Ibanez’s case happened to be the wrong time and as one of the previous callers indicated, Ruben misread the market.

    Ruben has a specific M.O. it seems when it comes to signing players. He sees one that he likes; stalks from afar; then swoops in early with a contract offer. He sees his man, he signs his man. SOMETIMES, and the Ibanez case is an example, it does not serve him well. In that particular year, he could have waited and gotten just as good a player at half the price. The Cubs and Phils misread and the Cubs paid off Milton Bradley (wince). In the vast majority of cases, Ruben has been fantastic. In the Ibanez case he wasn’t. I would think that a “capped” team like the Phils would sometimes, depending on the availability of players and what position they are looking for, try to wait out the market a little, let thinks shake out, and do a little bargain hunting.

    Does this make Ruben a bad GM? No. He’s a good one. Did he make a mistake? Yes.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Dipsy, I totally agree. Amaro isn’t terrible, but he made a mistake in giving Ibanez the 3rd year.

    If the Ibanez contract is so great, why is everyone in this blog trying to trade him after 2010?

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Victorino to Werth, wouldn’t be a disaster by any means… but it would be a defensive downgrade

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The Ibanez contract was “great” because it landed Ibanez… who carried our team in the first half of last season, and enabled us to take a lead in the NL EAST …. which we would later go on and win … which got us into the playoffs … and onto the World Series

    Why is this hard to understand?

    Would you rather have a professional hitter, who AL teams will want as a DH if you ever feel the need to trade him ….. or Pat Burrell/defensive replacement playing LF every game?

    I know for a fact that Burrell wouldn’t have carried the team the way Ibanez did

    How else should Amaro have targeted ??? (Abreu isn’t a legit answer since he didn’t ever help this team win a thing… and doesn’t fit into our clubhouse at all)

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    In a cc that doesn’t involve me much. Just listening for my name. Too early to call the Ibanez signing a mistake. I like the way Ruben approaches things – looks for the guy that is the right fit, and signs him. Does that mean he is going to overpay from time to time? Sure, but it is far better than overpaying for a second choice less than ideal fit.
    Gillick was great, but had his share of misses. Ruben has had one overpay in Moyer, a few others that are undecided, but hasn’t made any brutal signings that killed the budget (no Pavano, Eaton,….). In his short tenure, he’s the best Phils GM since Dallas Green. Looking forward to 2010 and beyond.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Things are great here in Phillies-land if people are trying to make arguements as to why one of 2009′s best Free Agent signings may not have been a good one..

    I hope all the people who hate the Blanton, Ibanez, Victorino, Polanco deals all stay home from the park this season.. while the rest of us go down and watch them dominate the National League again

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Amaro should have targeted Ibanez…and offered a 2 year deal. No other team would have matched. Adam Dunn had to settle for a 2-year deal for less money and go to Washington.

    And before you say “Adam Dunn strikes out a ton”, check out his 2009. He was better than Ibanez. (Dunn had a .928 OPS and Ibanez had a .899 OPS despite playing in a hitters’ park)

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    If you’re somehow trying to compare Ibanez to Milton Bradley…don’t even try…it’s not even close..

    And… AT THE TIME…with Ibanez’s services being indemand from several teams….it took a 3 year 30 something million contract to get him here….and I’m sorry about it..

    Remember…most people were on board ….after the 2008 season….all caught up in emotion…most people (including myself) were ready to hand Pat Burrell a three year deal worth 39 million (minimun)….

    So what looks good now? Ibanez…a CLEAR upgrade over Pat…for less money than what Burrell would have cost…or would you have wanted Pat Burrell back.??

    If you think Raul Ibanez’ contract is an albatross…just imagine what it would look like if we were paying Pat Burrell all that money….and him being in WORSE physical shape than Ibanez.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Don M, let’s not get carried away. Admitting Amaro made a mistake does not make someone ungrateful for the team we have.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Clarification: I’m NOT sorry about it.

     
  • Posts: 0 PRD

    Holliday, Bay, Ibanez, Werth, Pick who you want? The cheapest of the group got 3 years 39 mil. for age 37-39 seasons. I think Werth with his speed, defense and playing RF is better then Bay. That puts his price-tag in at least 4 years $65 mil price range (assuming he has another good year this year) on the open market. The only way they bring him back is if they trade one of their other big pieces and I don’t see that happening.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Ask anyone in the baseball world and I can guarantee you that if you ask them for the best FA signings from last year, they’ll mention Raul in a heartbeat.

    How can anyone call the Ibanez signing a bad one? ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL HE DID IN 2009!??

    It blows my mind.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    But I don’t understand what the mistake was??

    Targeting the player that best fits your team, and then signing him before other competing teams do ??

    Its not like he’s making Soriano or Jason Bay money… IF IF IF the Phillies wanted to move him.. there would definitely be interested teams

    but since he helps us win games, and we don’t have a better option right now, he’ll stay in LF, and help us win again this year.. at the cost of

    He was an absolute STEAL last year at $7 M

    and for $11.5 M the next two season, I wouldn’t say that he’s tremendously overpaid at all … Look at his production instead of his birthdate

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Signing Raul Ibanez wasn’t a mistake. Giving Ibanez the 3rd year was a mistake. The fact that everyone in here wants to trade Ibanez before 2011 proves that.

    How can Ibanez be “the signing of the year” when Dunn had a better year for less money?

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Hence forth can it be written into law that the 3rd year of any contract be known exclusively as the “Amaro Year”?

    Thank you.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    So if Brown isn’t ready to play in the Majors.. and/or if Werth decides its best for his family to test the Free Agent market next season

    Having Raul Ibanez still here, at $11.5 M is a mistake???

    I wouldn’t say that everyone WANTS to trade Ibanez.. we’re all just looking at possibilities..

    There is a decent chance that Brown is ready for the majors next year.. so you would take a $400,000 player in LF instead an $11.5 M player… IF Ibanez can get you some decent prospets in return

    Adam Dunn had a nice year… wouldn’t have helped our team though because he isn’t a contact hitter, and he played MOSTLY 1b last year

    Ibanez struck out less, and plays better defense in the position that we needed.. Left Field …. we should compare Apples-to-Apples

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I’m not saying …nor is anyone else….that I WANT to trade Ibanez before 2011…

    But that COULD happen…and maybe SHOULD….IF Brown is ready to take over….

    Ibanez will still have trade value

    IF that happens…we simply get what we can from him…thank him for what he contributed as a Phillie…and wish him well

    How is that WANTING to trade him???

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Dunn may have had a better year offensively, but he did not miss time due to injury. And, he is possibly the worst defensive player in all of baseball. In the OF or at 1B.

    Was Ibanez’s contract somewhat of a bad contract? Probably. Amaro paid more and gave out a contract longer than it probably should have been. But I don’t think it is really fair to make a judgement on the contract yet. Ibanez far exceed his salary last year, and that was with missing time due to injury and having a miserable second half. For what he is being paid, if he can put up numbers like he did last year, but spaced out over the course of the year then I would consider it another successful season. Now, if after two years of good seasons Ibanez totally blows in the last year of his contract then feel free to say that his signing was bad. But at this point it wasn’t. Not yet. Ibanez has done nothing but prove that he deserved the contract he got.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Actually I will go on record as saying I would like the Phillies to trade Ibanez after next season. It is the only possible way for the Phillies to have a chance at resigning Werth.

    Trade Ibanez for prospects to an AL team so he can DH. Replace his 11.5 mil salary with Brown’s 400,000k and there is roughly 11 mil you can use to resign Werth. Back load the crap out of his contract if you can so that you have a little more flexibility going into 2011 but that is the only way you are going to get Werth to stay.

     
  • Posts: 0 griffin

    Don M, Dunn can play LF (albeit terribly) so comparing his contract to Ibanez’s is apples to apples.

    More importantly, the Mets just traded for Gary Matthews Jr. Now THAT is a terrible contract! Sarge Jr. is due 23 mil over the next 2 years and is nothing more than a 5th OF. If the Mets are paying anything more than 2 mil of his salary, then this is a terrible move for them.

    Moves like this make me realize how awesome it is to be a Phils fan!

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    This has nothing to do with Jayson in fact this and Blanton signing helps the chances of Jayson resigning.

    If they go to arbitration I am sure Victorino wins and maybe even Blanton.
    Next year they will have to pay even more. This way they control how much more next year now.

    If they trade Ibanez or not is irrelevant, they have Moyer off the books after this year. That will save money

    Ruben has done a fantastic job this off season resigning this team for several years. If we can win it all again I would say executive of the year!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    See I don’t know that this signing means that Werth is more likely to come back. Yes the Phillies will save some money with the deals they made to Blanton, Victorino, and what will come with Ruiz’s contract, I am thinking 3 years at 12-14 mil. But and this is a big but, I am talking Jennifer Lopez butt… but Moyer’s 6.5 off the books is easily eaten up by the increases that will go to Howard and Hamels, as well as whatever goes to Francisco and Happ in arbitration. So you can pretty much kiss that 6.5 goodbye, you can’t count that as 6.5 mil that will be able to be used towards Werth. The only way we can free up enough money to try and keep Werth is to trade Ibanez. Period.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    He CAN play LF .. but he’s a nightmare, which is why they played him at 1b more often……. with less range than Pat Burrell, I would imagine that Dunn is a 1b-DH for the remainder of his career

    Sarge Jr…is a decent 5th OF option.. who should make slightly above the league minimum, instead, he makes MILLIONS of DOLLARS

    His Agent must be the best in the business

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Trading Ibanez after this season is great…and will work….but ONLY if Brown is ready..

    If you start the season (2011) with Ibanez in left….and maybe trade him by the deadline (allowing for Brown to come up and get ready)…that’s not the worst scenario either.

    Let’s not prematurely criticize all these “third years”…Ibanez, Polanco…until we actually see what the third year holds.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    People are quick to assume that just because Ruben signs someone to a third year…that it’s automatically a bad move..

     
  • Posts: 0 griffin

    I think Omar Minaya is doing a terrific job and I hope the Mets keep him for a long, long time.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Howard makes $19 M this season.. $20 M next season .. not a big jump at all

    Not sure what Utley or Hamels makes as in increase next year though

    I don’t think Vic’s deal makes a Werth extension MORE LIKELY.. but people yesterday were saying things along the lines of “Well that means Werth is gone..”

    which isn’t the case at all.. they realize they need him in the lineup. . .

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Chuck – Under your premise, I banez should have been signed at almost any price. I don’t recall teams banging down Ibanez’s door to sign him to big money and big years last year. If I’m wrong correct me. So Chuck, lets say that Amaro signed Ibanez to a 3y/45m deal. He “carried” us the first half last year and you are of the opinion, which I respectfully don’t share, that we wouldn’t not have won the divison without him. If this is correct, would Ruben have done the right thing by giving him 15m a year?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Hamels contract goes up by 2.8 mil. Rollins and Utley do not have a contract increase. But again, you have Happ and Frisco going to ARB so that is an increase there of at least .5 to 1 mil each.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Dipsy…I don’t think anyone had a chance to bang down Ibanez’s door. Amaro signed him pretty much when FA started. Amaro set his own market rather than waiting for the market to develop, had he done so, Ibanez would have obviously come cheaper.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Ibanez would have obviously cheaper …

    OR NOT AT ALL

    He was the best fit for this team.. so bitch if you want, but Amaro got a difference maker, and the best piece to help complete the Phillies puzzle


    Dipsy.. Chuck’s arguement aside .. . .

    You Don’t Think Ibanez carried the team in the 1st half ??

    There was talk of Ibanez as MVP for a good while last year… without him I don’t know that we runaway with the NL EAST last year.. and I think we only won by 5 games ? Clearly, everyone played a role.. but Ibanez in the 1st half, was just as valuable (if not more) than Howard in the 2nd half

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    This from ESPN.com, dated December12, 2008…Jayson Stark is the writer:

    “Ibanez had drawn significant interest from a number of teams including the Cubs, Mets, Angels and Braves. But he had been sending signals through friends that the Phillies were his first choice. And the Phillies stepped up their efforts to sign him Thursday after it became known that the Angels were also negotiating the parameters of a deal
    with Ibanez as their No. 1 alternative if they lost out in efforts to sign Mark Texiera.”

    Ok…so how does that NOT seem like teams were “banging down Ibanez’ door”..

    It’s obvious that he was in demand and would have been paid AT LEAST what the Phillies paid him…maybe by the Angels….so is Ruben wrong for going out and getting his guy??..

    If Ruben waits….Ibanez could have been gone…maybe, maybe not….and maybe or maybe we don’t get off to the start we did last year…if we didn’t have him..

    Dipsy..to respond to your “Ibanez should have been signed at almost any price” comment….I don’t recall anybody on here suggesting that he be signed for “almost any price.”

    There are limits…and I think Ruben knows that…

    He considered what teams like the Angels may have been willing to pay Raul…and made him an offer to play here….and he hasn’t disappointed yet.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Thanks Chuck. I stand corrected. Perhaps I am a bit jaded by the awful second half he had and I have a short memory. Good player no doubt, just a bit pricey. IMO.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Tom: No matter if Howard has won an MVP, there is still no comparison. No matter what his agent says, there is no comparison. Owners, scouts, managers, and fans all know that. Pujols will get A-rod money, and be the better bargain.

    Howard is a great player, but doesn’t even come close to Pujols on defense or batting average. He strikes out way more times. Pujols is of another world, Howard isn’t.

    Finally, please reread my post. NOWHERE did I even hint that I’d let Howard walk; in fact I suggested that the Phils might even be able to re-sign him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’m hearing no chance on a Werth extension ….

    so can Phillies Nation organize a petition to resign Jayson Werth??

    Between the website, and Facebook .. I’m guessing we can get a couple THOUSAND people to let Amaro know we want him to stay in pinstripes!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Let’s start that “4/45 Chant”

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Three year contracts can’t be evaluated until that third year, or until the player either falls apart or maybe gets trade for more than expected.

    I really have no qualms about three year deals. If the player fizzles in that final year, your not out a whole lot. It’s those 5-7 year jobs that I think are stupid. What happens if Holliday starts to crumble in his third year? The Cards are still on the hook for more. Or look at people like Mike Hampton, Vernon Wells, or Darren Driefort, or, yes, that new Met, Gary Matthews Jr.

    Moyer for two years isn’t even all that bad. He won 12 games last year, and proved mighty reliable in relief of Martinez. He may still have a good year in him. $6.5 million 12 game winners don’t exactly grow on trees, even with good run support.

    Amaro isn’t stupid. Compared with many GMs, the contracts he offers are conservative.

     
  • Posts: 0 Stuart

    I hope we can find a way to get Werth and Howard. I know it is un likely but in my eyes both of those guys are irreplaceable. Just look at all the times they won it late in the game or carried the team. The one thing we have going for us is both of those guys love playing in Philly. Maybe we can get some kind of discount.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    4 years, $45 M might not cut it …. other teams have made whispers

    Red Sox and Angels among others

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think the Yankees will set their sights on pitching again… Lee to match with Sabathia .. . .

    I wonder if the Mets will try to improve their rotation, or if they would be interested in an everyday player like Werth

    Reyes, Werth, Beltran, Wright, Bay… wouldn’t matter who else they had.. but it would be expensive

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    The way Howard and Werth can get done, in my mind, is if the Phils make sure they have a guy making 425,000 in left. If Ibanez’s replacement is Brown, then thats 12m dollars more a year that you can spread amongst Jason and Ryan because Brown makes zilch. Yet, something tells me that Ruben has a pretty good idea that one of these guys will not be able to be resigned or he would not have signed Victorino.

    The Dipsy

     
 
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