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Amaro Tabs Moyer as 5th Starter

Posted by Amanda Orr, Tue, February 09, 2010 06:27 PM | Comments: 115
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General Manager Ruben Amaro Jr. told Fox 29 News that Jamie Moyer will be the fifth starter headed into spring training.

Moyer, who had two surgeries this off-season, told Amaro that he would be ready to pitch once the season starts.

“It’s his spot to lose,” Amaro also said.  If Moyer is unable to keep his job, Kyle Kendrick, Andrew Carpenter, or another minor leaguer could win the job.  Moyer, 47, is in his last year of his contract.

If your still thinking about how awesome the Phillies rotation would be with Cliff Lee, then you should know that Lee just had minor surgery on his foot.  Lee should not miss a significant amount of time, however.

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  • Posts: 0 SteveW

    Why do you people want to “get past” the Cliff Lee fiasco so badly? It’s impossible! It was a stupid deal and its going to come back to haunt them. As soon as Hamels or Halliday miss a start with injury or Happ comes back down to earth, its going to come up. Again and again and again. And it SHOULD come up, because it was a screw up the highest order.

    Fortunately, this team is good enough and the rest of the NL bad enough that it probably won’t stop them getting deep into the playoffs again. But if that injury to Hamels comes in late October and Lee is tossing BB’s for someone else, I know I’m going to be yelling my head off.

     
  • [...] the announcement earlier Wednesday that Moyer would be the fifth starter in the Phils’ rotation entering the [...]

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    From this morning’s inquirer story:

    “The Phillies’ belief in Hamels, who plans to add a cutter or slider to his repertoire of fastball, change-up, and curveball this spring…”

    Cole’s working on a cutter!!!! Praise the lord!

    If Hamels can throw a cutter even somewhat effectively, watch out for a huge season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    McNally – 21-5 (he started only 30 games due to injury)
    Palmer – 20-9
    Cuellar – 20-9
    Dobson – 20-8

    1971 Orioles pitching staff – never again will we see results like this.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Well…whatever. No big deal.

    Halladay
    Hamels
    Blanton
    Happ
    Moyer

    thats fine to start the season, Moyer will be replaced again later when he starts to get hit again. Until then I dont really have a problem with it.

     
  • Posts: 0 philsgirl

    I am just so fascinated to see the Lee trade still mentioned in almost every thread! People want to get past the “Cliff Lee fiasco” so badly, SteveW, just *because* it is such a travesty. Everyone who says “just get over it,” thou protesteth too much. That thing we should just “get over already” keeps coming up because Philly fans were justifiably excited at the prospect of having probably the premier starting rotation in both leagues, with an awesome core, and most likely looking at another ring. Not so likely after 2010 in any case. Opinions about losing Lee, whether encouraging in a playful sort of way (sorry, Keng, wish I could agree, but don’t think there was chessmaster-like genius behind this move, sometimes a trade is just a mistake), or negative, or welcomed on this board, will not go away anytime soon. There certainly will be lingering avid interest in how well Lee does during the season, and if it *is* well, there likely will be continued rumblings and ruminations, no matter how *we*, including Hamels, are faring. In fact, unless we take the trophy, only Lee essentially crashing and burning in 2010 (not that I either expect that to happen, nor wish that on anyone, especially someone who so helped our organization and was happy to be here for the time he was) will sadly ever really put that gnawing feeling to rest for many. I wish I had a nickel for every time I’ll read “just get over it” re: this trade, not only on this board, and it’ll be following yet someone else’s just-as-valid opinion that this was a trade with an explanation that doesn’t justify the end.
    I unfortunately agree with what Ed R. said earlier about teams with better 1-4 starting rotations this year. We *could* have eliminated the Mariners from that short list and been more than up to the task of facing the likes of Lester, Beckett, Lackey should we ever get to that point. Here’s hoping we get there. Yeah, maybe no starting pitching staff (thanks for the cool historical facts, Brooks!) will ever be the ’71 Orioles, but it would have been nice to see what we could have been.
    I know many, including myself, have posted before about this but to have to worry about our 5th starter or whether Cole develops another pitch in time to make him a force this year still peeves me given what I’m not supposed to be thinking about.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    This is how I feel about Cole:

    He started the season not so hot because he didn’t train that much in the off season. As a result, he had some problem with location on both his fastball and change and the beginning of the season and he got hurt early. Then everyone started harping about the “third pitch”, which he actually does need. So he tried to throw one, his curve. But his curve stunk and got hit. Now he can’t throw that, so he has to go back the fastball and change up that he can’t locate the way he wants. And he still gets hit. It was just that kind of season. I expect Cole to train harder, prepare better, work on something different to throw at hitters, and have a great season. There will be a team with 4 20 game winners again. History always repeats itself. Didn’t the 48 Indians do it?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    Dipsy,
    couldn’t agree more about Hamels (except about the 20 game winners — we’ll be lucky of there are four 20-game winners in all of baseball this year.)

    I agree with all your reasons. I also think the increase in innings from 2007 to 2008 contributed. The numbers are overwhelming for guys who increase innings that much—they always have a down year. The good news for Hamels is that the numbers also show that pitchers bounce back next year (two years after the increase) big time.

    Cole will have a good season.

    The guy I’m really worried about is Lidge…..

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Don’t worry Lidge is worried about Lidge…

     
  • Posts: 96 Paul Boye

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    It’s funny how Cole threw a significantly larger amount of curveballs in 2008, but it’s a noticeable problem in 2009.

    His curve was pretty poor in ’09, but his fastball actually fared worse.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4972&position=P#pitchvalues

    The curve isn’t the huge issue it’s being made out to be. It needs work, sure, but it could just be a one-season blip (like Hamels’s ERA).

     
  • Posts: 96 Paul Boye

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    And sure, I recognize that pitch value is cumulative and Cole threw a great deal more fastballs. Still goes to show that the curve wasn’t the only thing that got hit.

    But that goes back to BABIP and bad luck and all.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Paul – When Cole is locating his first two pitches, he can get by with a middling to poor curve every once in a while. But when teams know you’re throwing it more because you’re struggling with your top two pitches, the element of surprise is lost, and it has little to no effectiveness. So it gets drilled along with everything else. And the curve is a huge issue if you wanna be a three pitch pitcher. None of his pitches worked in ’09.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    I’ll agree that for some, the Cliff Lee trade is hard to get past. But it wasn’t for me. He had some stinko starts in his Phils uniform, along with the good ones. He’s been a Cy Young winner, but also did a stint at AAA. In other words, he’s been up and down, and there’s really no telling who will show up, although he’s better at showing up than Brett Myers ever was. We got him fairly cheap, and that should show that he’s not the apple of every scout’s or GM’s eye.

    I’m waiting to see the three prospects. They may turn out to be really good, and help the Phils in future years, at a low salary for their first few. Lee was never going to be “low salary”, not even as cheap as Halladay, and may have left the team with a huge rotation hole after 2010 if he couldn’t get what he wanted out of Amaro. If Lee is lights out for the next few years, and the prospects suck, then and only then will I complain.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Location was Hamels’ biggest 2009 problem, which is the first symptom of the “Verducci Effect.” That’s why his fastball was hit. His curve will never be a Koufax curve, but still can be effective if he spots it well and doesn’t insist on heaving five in a row. He got by for two and a half years with his current arsenal, so he must have something in the way of third pitch. Two-pitch pitchers generally don’t win for more than one year before the league catches on.

    Still, another pitch would be a huge bonus. So will a better off season program and fewer injuries at the beginning of the year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Hip hip hooray for Amaro in supporting Moyer as 5th starter for 2010 season. I’m having a good laugh in reading all these rants by the Moyer haters. Same old, same old. LOL Oh, by the way, I remember the former columnist for this site, Tim Malcom and his infamous 2009 preseason prediction for Moyer. (more laughter)

     
 
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