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Odds and Ends: Romero, Aumont, Wang

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, February 16, 2010 04:37 PM | Comments: 76
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-All the local Phillies beats are reporting that JC Romero believes he will be ready by opening day, and if not by then, definitely a week or so into the season.

This is a great sign that Romero has recovered from elbow surgery, because it’s imperative he find his 2008 form when he was one of the best situational lefties in baseball.  With Antonio Bastardo and Sergio Escalona being the primary lefties with Romero out, the Phils could use that stabilizing force in the bullpen.  I will say this; I am excited to see what both of the young lefties will bring to the table this spring.  In winter ball, Bastardo was lights out, while Escalona struggled mightily.

-According to the twitter of Tyler Kepner of the New York Times, Phillippe Aumont had “great action on his fastball” today.  That’s an important sign as Aumont is being groomed as a starter once again. The Seattle Mariners used him out of the bullpen to fast-track him to the majors, but the Phillies see him as part of the rotation down the line.

Unfortunately, there will be some pressure on Aumont to show his skill during Spring Training as a way of justifying the Cliff Lee deal.  Right or wrong, that’s the way it goes, so lets see how Aumont deals with being a target during the early part of spring.

-Chien Ming Wang agreed to a deal with the Washington Nationals today.  It’s for one-year and $2 million that includes $3 million is bonuses.

In swapping emails with our very own Amanda Orr, she believes the Nats could win 75 games this year.  After all, they’ve been very active this offseason signing Wang, Matt Capps, Eddie Guardado, Adam Kennedy, Jason Marquis, Scott Olsen, Pudge Rodriguez, Tyler Walker (our old friend), and Miguel Batista.  They’ve certainly done some maneuvering and are getting better slowly, so 75 wins is not out of the question.  That just makes it even more difficult for the Phillies in a slightly-better (on paper) NL East.

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  • Posts: 0 joepa

    Check out Ken Rosenthal’s article about the Phillies where he discusses the Lee trade, and the Phillies ability to sign Werth and Howard in the future.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rosenthal-phillies-built-for-long-run-021510

    I must say Ken is much more generous to RAJ on his decision to trade Cliff Lee than many of us on this site have been. The consensus on this site was even if trading Lee was in the Phillies best interest, we could have gotten a better deal if we shopped Lee around for a better offer. However, it was also said that having Lee/Halladay together for a few days, then trading Lee would have caused a mass mutiny – which I agree with. I tend to agree with Ken R – that RAJ deserves the benefit of the doubt.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    You tell that spritely little workhorse that if the Nationals win 75 games I will streak down Cottman avenue. My advice for Wang: Don’t tell anyone you’re Jewish.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    This is great news all around! Looking forward to Bastardo, Romero, and Aumont in the future! And definitely looking forward to Wang pitch here in DC, hopefully he’ll suck against the Phillies and win games against everybody else!

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Ken Rosenthal is such a boob. He makes the case for trading Lee when he says, and I’m paraphrasing, you “can’t gamble on the short term potential over long term stability”. No Ken. Its the other way around. How many times have we heard countless G.M.s and coaches and players in every sport say that “when you have the shot to win it you have to go for it?” Not the other way around. One might ask, “You can’t worry about what’s going to happen three years down the road when you have the best team in baseball now.” Or something like that. Actually, its the future that is uncertain. You know what? Please stop inciting more Cliff Lee second guessing with these types of articles. The anger in some is still boiling to close to the surface. Oh, so we would have had to settle for like, picks 30 and 50 at worst for Lee when he left? Hey, fine by me. That, plus our pick, which will suck, but you will pull out a major leaguer out of those three picks, which is more than you can say about Aumont, Ramirez, and Gillies (although I like Gillies). Finally, can we stop citing Ken Rosenthal as a knowledgeable source about what is going on in baseball? He stinks. Not only that, but this article makes it clear that he is an Amaro lap dog, which is cool, just don’t try to hide it. Peter Gammons loves the BoSox, Hal Bodley loves Pete Rose. Its ok to be a homer, just man up about it. And Ken, never mind that the dealing of Lee is almost universally recognized by those outside the city limits of Philadelphia as a mistake.

    The Dipsy

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I don’t care what anybody thinks of Ken Rosenthal (he’s not my favorite, either)…..THIS is a good article.

    Anybody still doubting the Lee trade should read…and think about…this.

    ____

    Dipsy…careful what you say…the Nationals ARE an improved team..

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    2010 Cliff Lee and two 2011 1/2 round picks v. Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez? I’ll take the former. Every day and twice on Sunday.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    Dipsy, you know the deal is much more complex than that.

    I would’ve liked them to sign Wang and maybe become like a Chan Ho Park type of player?

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Dipsy…I thought you were over it…I really did..

    Obviously, you still can’t see past your nose on this one. I really don’t know what else to say..

    If you want to be bitter and have “anger boiling close to the surface”….then fine…go ahead…

    When this deal pans out…and I really feel it will in some way (and I’m not saying we’re gonna definitely win the World Series, either)…then let’s see what you…and everyone else says.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    It’s clear RUbe shopped Blantan and got no decent offers. Once he resigned Blantan to a 3 year deal it all made sense. Let’s just hope Hamels is back, because I’m sure RUbe took that into consideration as our second ace.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Me, being a fan, and Ruben, a general manager of a baseball team with all the experience and knowledge that goes with same, and everyone that thought as he, will have to agree to disagree about trading Lee. I understand RAJ’s rationale. I don’t think what he did was unconscienable (sp) or wrong. He picked a direction to go and I realize that reasonable minds can differ as to whether was that was was the right way. It really doesn’t make a difference to me what bag of bolts he got back. He did as good as he could have. It all was complex. I really HOPE he proves me wrong. I’m rooting for it, actually.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    How many HOURS (not days) til pitchers and catchers????

    It alllllll goes away once things get rolling..

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    A moving fastball in the mid to high 90′s is an excellent weapon. I have high hopes for Aumonte.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    I love this team more then any of you slackers. We lost last year because of no pitching and no howard in the middle. same thing this year. sorry but its so true. dispy stick to what your good at. ok you can leave the house.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Jeff (in red)…

    When I click on your name “Internet Explorer cannot display this webpage” appears..

    Makes sense based on your idiotic post.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Did I miss something?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    How can I put my name in red?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I think Jeff (in red) was referring to your “streaking down Cottman Ave” comment..

     
  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    Hey Jeff (in red), what do you mean no Howard in the middle? Last year wasn’t a TOTAL failure you know? And what do you mean by no pitching, and it will happen again this year? We have a better rotation this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    SJ – Ryan got beat up by those lefties in the Series.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    WE WAS ROBBED…BY THE NATIONALS NO LESS!

    I think that Wang is well worth the $2 million, considering he still has his stuff. The problem with him has been durability, but still he’d be worth the risk for $2 mil.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    Dipsy: Got it. I thought he was referring to the entire season.

     
  • Posts: 0 hov

    I’m an old phan of this site who doesn’t read as much anymore because I used to enjoy the conversation but it just got too stupid. I only return with one thing to say…Dipsy, drop the subject already. You’re the main reason I hardly ever come back here. Everyone knows you’re upset about the trade (I’m assuming you’ve been whining on here for a while). Not a pitch has been thrown since then so just shut up and let it pan out. Thanks!

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Thanks hov – Now drag your IV to the couch and go back to sleep.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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    Hov, hope you come back now that the season is starting up. There will still be good conversation.

    I’m pretty much over the Lee trade by now. But it WILL NOT GO AWAY. Not this season anyway, its just going to hang there unfortunately, so theres nothing any of us can do about it except talk about it occasionally. Sad. But true.

     
  • Posts: 0 MikeB.

    Yeh Phillies posters and fans, let us not post anything to get the Nationals all riled up for the coming season. They play the Phillies tough at times and the Nats are an improved ball club, so it has been said. The Phils have to play them right off the bat during the upcoming regular season. Let a sleeping horse lay, or however the saying goes.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Aumont may not be the pitcher Drabek is but the kids still a legit prospect, can’t wait to see how his stuff and command develops this year.

    The Lee trade says the front office realises how important it is right now to ensure major league viable prospects going into the 2011 off-season so the window of opportunity doesn’t slam shut. Halladay/Lee would have been nice but those draft picks were going to be a year behind and a late first round at best meaning we’d have to go far over slot to try a get a top prospect.

    As for the Nats they are an improved team but not because of Wang, the fact he signed much earlier than reports intended and was passed over by so many contending teams must say a lot about his health right now.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    ^And lets be realistic, to expect the Phillies to make a third straight World Series and win the championship as anything other would be considered failure if we’d kept Lee is unrealistic. It wasn’t the pitching that was bad against the Yanks, the bats squandered too many opportunities to take control of games. Trading Lee was the right move, not the move we wanted (me included) but the right one.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    It’s “Let sleeping dogs lie,” in case anyone wanted to know. Even with Wang, the Nats probably aren’t a sleeping dog, they’re a dead dog. Better than last year by a significant margin, but still not ready for resurrection.

    While I hope Wang recovers nicely from his shoulder woes (Except against the Phils) I can’t help but think of all those other players who haven’t: Kris Benson, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Bagwell. Even Scott Rolen has had troubles since his shoulder surgery. I’m sure there are many who have recovered successfully, but it seems to take a lot of time; more time than elbow injuries. And Wang has had foot and hip problems, too.

    As far as being worth the $2 million risk, he probably wasn’t for the Phils, who needed contributors immediately. Another starter would be nice, but Wang won’t be ready until May. The Nats are rebuilding; they can afford to wait. The Phils aren’t rebuilding, and can’t wait.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    hov Says…”I used to enjoy the conversation but it just got too stupid”

    Actually, I like the conversation on here …AND find it very entertaining at times.. I mean where else can you go on a cold-ass day in the middle of the winter and be able to talk about baseball and have a few laughs doing it?

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Good news on Romero and Aumont. Decent article from Rosenthal. One point I thought was interesting was the back door shot at Ruiz and Blanton. Signing “an average player long term”? I’d agree he’s average offensively, and while not a Molina, Ruiz is quite a bit better than average defensively. His ability to block pitches allows all but Lidge to throw a breaking ball with guys on base. Maybe he’s not upper tier (Mauer, Piersinski, Y Molina), but int he argument for top of the 2nd tier (with McCann, Montero, Suzuki). Not even sure Posada can be called a catcher anymore – he’ll probably DH more than catch (still a dangerous bat, but he’s never been a good catcher, age has made him a liability). Big Joe may have average stuff, but he’s out there every 5th day and rarely gets shelled. Both signed 3 yr deals – when did that become long term?
    Nats caught a break on the interleague schedule (BAl, Cle, KC,CWS). I don’t think they’ll lose 100 games, and they’ll score runs, but that is a rough pitching staff – hard to see them winning 75. Wang was a good pick up for them – they need a starter. I think the Phils did better with Contreras – more versatile (start or pen, maybe less upside, but much less downside).

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Ruiz is one of my favorite Phillies…even if he is being called “average”..

    I’ll take his fight and grit any day….the way he handles the pitchers, blocks balls MORE than makes up for his lower batting average…Besides, in the postseason the guy is CLUTCH..

    Not everybody on the team needs to be a .300 hitter.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    I don’t consider myself a “Homer”. While I root for the Phils, there are guys who bug me at times, either due to mental mistakes, lack of perceived effort, or lack of situational hitting. Ruiz is also one of my favorite players, and I think his extension was the best off-season deal by Amaro (while a great signing, Doc forced Toronto’s hand, Rube had very little to do there except make sure he kept Brown). As pointed out by several people in other posts, you can’t judge true value until well into a contract, but basing it on what other comparables are making at the time, the Ruiz extension was truly a win-win.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kevin

    I agree with Amanda – I can see the Nats with around 75 wins – and maybe finishing in 4th place this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    It really frustrates me sometimes when some baseball writes and columnists are so over focused on every deal the bigger picture gets lost.

    Ruiz is going to be making about the same as a bench guy like Alex Cora in his ‘money years’ and has shown a growing ability to be make pitchers work in his ABs which helps the team. With Blanton it’s very simple, you tie up a guy who can eat innings and stay healthy and not be forced to go to the market and pay more for less for a starting pitcher for three years, is it a good deal on its own? No, when it means you have 4/5 of your rotation locked up for 3 years it is a shrewd deal.

    When your a team like the Phillies with so much talent its stupid to expect to bring in numbers guys because there’s only so much to go around, Amaro’s done a hell of a job adding guys that should make the stars more productive and that’s what matters.

    Might be in a minority but have to say these Seattle guys excite the hell out of me as much as a kid like Trevor May.

    The Nats are still going to finish last, the Braves and Marlins should contend and the Mets should at the very least be near the 80 win mark.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bill

    While I understand the Phillies wanting Aumont as a starter, I would prefer to see if he could be a set up man for the club this year. With his fastball he could certainly help Madson get the ball to Lidge.

    I think the Phillies should use Aumont the way the Yankees used Joba Chamberlain. If he can make the team in the pen, he could have success in a short role which would give him the confidence to move into the rotation.

    http://www.phillysportscomplete.com

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Wow i missed a lot here the past day..

    Nationals will not win 75 games.. they have NO PITCHING at all.. there lineup is much improved, but everyone that throws the ball for them sucks..

    There was a different article that I read yesterday (i foget where).. but it basically said that the stadium is 100% sold out all the time.. they are pretty much as popular as they will ever be and can’t imagine their revenue going much higher . . . so instead of “crapping-out” . . . they wanted to extend the chance at having a competitive team, and thought that getting 3 solid prospects was a good way to do that

    Phillies are said to be stretching Aumont back out to be a starter.. I’m guessing he will be Roy Halladay’s shadow this spring

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Yankees have screwed Joba Chamberlain to the point of no return … they still don’t know if they want him as a starter or not .

    same thing with Phil Hughes . . . I pray to god the Phillies dont do that with any meaningful prospects

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Signing Ruiz for “average” money is very forward thinking, in my opinion… given that he’s under control and was only seeking $2.5 million, they may have overpaid but the trend in baseball right now is to pay for premium defense and Ruiz is certainly a defensive stud… lock him up for three years and what seems to be an average salary and keep him happy.

    I’m really happy to hear about Aumont and Romero… although, I’d feel much better if Romero wasn’t still dealing with this injury. It seems like this thing has been nagging forever… not sure what to think about that.

    The Natinals always seem to be inching in the right direction but never seem to put anything together… they make futile attempts to sign legitimate ballplayers but always seem to come up on the short end of the stick and so they wind up with a lot of role players… I mean, their lineup looks like this…

    1. N. Morgan,
    2. C. Guzman,
    3. R. Zimmerman,
    4. A. Dunn,
    5. J. Willingham,
    6. I. Rodriguez
    7. E. Dukes,
    8. A. Kennedy

    Does that lineup really scare you? Their #2 starter is John Lannan…

    We’re good enough with or without Cliff Lee to win now… we’re better off with Roy that we were without him. We will be better in the future because we traded Lee. Trading Lee allowed us to lock up a few players for the forseeable future and hopefully increases our chances of keeping this group of players in Philly. Let it go.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Wang seems like a good signing but how many wins above whoever he replaces will he give the Nats? I’m thinking one or two.. especially since he’ll only be able to pitch half a season or so…

    75 wins for the Nats is a lot… cause teams gotta lose.. .and if the Nats aren’t losing, then who is?? I just hope they lose less than 100, that’s a more reasonable expectation.

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    Aren’t there enough wangs in Washington already?

     
  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    I may be the only one who feels this way, but I actually find Aumont to be a more intriguing prospect than Drabek in some respects. While Drabek is closer to the Majors and more of a finished product, Aumont is a bit rawer but with more potential career paths(as a starter or closer). Both guys have sky high potential, but Aumont is certainly a guy that is under-rated by too may people who write him off as “junk” or something like that. Aumont has the potential to be just as amazing as a guy like Drabek, and i’m tired of people claiming he sucks or that the Phillies could have got more for Lee. We get 3 VERY LEGIT prospects, who all have the chance to help us a lot sooner than any of the guys we would have drafted for letting Lee walk. So please, everyone needs to shut up and let us watch how the prospects develop before writing them off as junk.

     
  • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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    I guess I can admit 75 might be a tad high for the Nats. They won 59 last year, so would 16 games be a stretch? I think 70 is doable. They just have to be smart and scrappy and I think they can be. Basically, just don’t sleep on them.

     
  • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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    WFC010: I too am intrigued by Aumont. He’s a big boy with a power arm, much different than the smaller Drabek. Let’s hope he can put it all together in Reading this year. I expect some hiccups but Aumont should be at the very least a #3.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    WFC- you are probably the only one who feels this way.

    Drabek is the better prospect… at one point (maybe as recently as the start of 2009), Aumont was probably the considered the better prospect but that was mainly because of Drabek’s health concerns. Since then, Aumont has been the one with health concerns and Drabek’s stuff has emerged as some of the best in the minor leagues. Aumont, in my opinion, needs to work on his innings/conditioning (which might also require a mechanical tune-up)… he has a good fastball and the frame to be a real workhorse. The “stuff” will come… but he has to be dependable. At 6’7″, 220 lbs, he needs to be a starter… Drabek, on the other hand, is a pedigree and his stuff is electric already. His mechanics have been fixed… but the elbow concerns won’t go away. Aumont is 2 years younger than Drabek… hopefully they exercised proper due diligence examining the hip. All in all, Drabek is further along with world class stuff. Aumont has a world class frame and should develop the stuff… here’s a vid of Aumont on the mound.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAXzFc5a4uY

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Their lineup isn’t the scariest in baseball … but its better than a lot of NL teams

    They remind me of last year’s Orioles .. going into the season you knew they would score, but you knew they would be outscored … losing a lot of 8-6 games, etc..

    Nationals will put runs on the board and get some wins, anything over 70 would be a GREAT season for them.. i just dont see them approaching .500% with that pitching staff


    I’m so tired of hearing about Lee … the negative, the positive, the what-ifs, and could have’s.. the should have’s.. and I would have’s

    I am officially tired of Cliff Lee, and can’t wait to see the guys on our team go out pitch, and for our fans to be 100% behind guys like Cole Hamels and Joe Blanton …. guys who brought us our first CHAMPIONSHIP in many of our lifetimes. Something that i will never forget!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Drabek ain’t exactly Cy Young . . . he’s a good prospect, probably billed a little higher because of his dad

    People want him to be good . . .

    I wish we still had him because he looks like he could be a very good top-to-middle of the rotation starter .. . but King Phillippe has a chance to be that too

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed 2

    Chuck P: The #7 guy in that lineup is very scary. Whether it be assault, battery, rape, or various paternity suits hes not exactly one of those fun character guys you hear about on good teams. And I think everyone is still afraid of John Lannan and his hand breaking velocity

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Who’s Lee??

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Drabek’s stuff is filthy… that’s why I like him. I don’t want him to be good because of his dad but if he has his dad’s mental makeup than he has the potential to be good. How much does that matter? I don’t know. You are right when you say that Phillippe has a chance to be that good, too… but he’s two years younger and further away. The key point is that we did not get peanuts for Lee. It seemed like a quick decision but maybe there’s more to this Aumont kid than we all thought.

     
  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    The Original Chuck P:

    I agree that as it currently stands, Drabek is the better prospect…BUT I feel that Aumont certainly has the potential to be nearly as good if not just as good. What really upsets me is when people claim the 3 prospects we got from the Mariners are junk, when all 3 of them are loaded with tons of potential. The only thing that upset me about either trade is losing Kyle Drabek. Could you imagine a Phillies farm system that had both Drabek AND Aumont? That would be some absolutely devastating potential right there.

     
 
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