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Spring Training Odds and Ends: Rollins, Lidge

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, February 24, 2010 11:24 PM | Comments: 98
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-Will J-Roll predict the future once again?  Apparently, not this year.  In Matt Gelb’s piece in the Inquirer today, Rollins shied away from his usual pre-season prognostication.  However, he did point out that he wants to steal 50 bases, score 150 runs, and hit .300.

I can see 50 steals.  With Davy Lopes at first, why the hell not.  One-hundred and fifty runs? That feat has been accomplished just 46 times in MLB history, the last coming in 2000 compliments of Jeff Bagwell. If Rollins touches home 150 times, then he certainly should be well above .300. And if that happens, look out, he could be the next MVP.  I’ll temper my expectations with Jimmy, because he was just average a year ago.  I do believe he’ll be better, but .300/150/50? Not so sure.

-Brad Lidge kicked his spring off on Monday by throwing 20 pitches off of a mound for the first time since offseason knee and elbow surgery.  Today, he watched.  As Phillies pitchers took fielding practice, Lidge peered from the sidelines as he’ll take it slow in his recovery process. The Phils closer is scheduled to pitch again tomorrow, but he said he feels completely pain free so far. Good sign.

-Jamie Moyer, too, is chomping at the bit to get healthy and to pitch again ASAP. The ageless one was able to take fielding practice with his mates today as he recovers nicely from  multiple surgeries this offseason.

It’s great to see Moyer healthy again, but lets be honest, he’s no longer someone who excites us as a part of the rotation.  He will have to work to get his spot back, as Kyle Kendrick and others want that coveted #5 spot.  But as far as his health goes, glad to see him nearing 100 percent.

-And for the news everyone wants to hear: Roy Halladay will throw tomorrow!  He’ll toss to a group of Phillies that will include Chase Utley and Raul Ibanez, although it’s rare they swing.  But come on, that just sounds cool.

-Ryan Fagan of The Sporting News broke down the Phillies for upcoming season and sees them in a rematch with the Yankees in the Fall Classic. He also sees them losing.  Hard to argue with the first part of that statement. But I’d bet there are many of you who take issue with his selection of the Yanks for back-to-back titles.

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  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    It’s good to have goals, but the 50 SB thing kind of worries me. Jimmy’s career success rate is around 83%, which is well above the 70ish% break even rate. But if he’s trying to steal 19 more bases than he did last year, by definition he’s going to be taking off trying to steal in situations that are less advantageous, and that success rate is going to go down to something less optimal. He did steal 46 and only get caught 8 times in 2001, but he was a lot younger then.

    Oh and Davey Lopes should stop sending Ryan Howard. Forever.

     
  • Posts: 0 jacob

    Rollins won’t reach those numbers, but I don’t expect him to falter out of the starting gate like he did last year. But the MVP won’t be in his reach. .280/115/35. At best.

    Lidge can’t be worse than last year. 35 saves, 6-8 blown. Expect Charlie to have a bit of a quicker trigger finger on pulling him this year. Also, it would be wise to just have him brought in for 1-2 outs, not 3. And don’t expect to ever see any 3+ out situations, at least not unless he establishes dominance from day one.

    Moyer… love him. He looks like my dad. And my Dad’s 62. Spot starts are the best we can hope for.

    Halladay – better be worth the hype. League switches favor pitchers usually, and he is a premier pitcher. Him and Lee would have been a god-send though.

    No offense to the Yanks, but I don’t think there is a team hungrier, and in better position to make the WS and win than this team. Their success has not bred complacency. Rather, I expect them to blast out of the gate in April, making long strides ahead of the NL East competition. And we’ve seen that the rest of the NL doesn’t have what it takes to beat them in the post-season. The Yankees would need another magical Series to take them again in a best of 7 championship series, and they don’t have it.

     
  • Posts: 0 bob

    yea…why would anyone think the yankees could repeat…they only have a better if not equal lineup , better pitching stuff, and clearly a better bullpen then the phillies

     
  • Posts: 0 Whizwithout

    u dont know what kinda injuries the yankees could get or who could come up as a surprise in the playoffs against them. the phillies lineup is better than last yr n even healthier. if we get hamels 08 or better and lidge comes thru, we WILL beat the yankees or whatever AL team goes to the WS

     
  • Posts: 0 Gregm

    The Phillies still have at least 162 games to get to the Postseason. Let’s not reserve our World Series tickets just yet. Those same injuries that could plague the Yankees could also get the Phillies just easily. Hopefully not, but don’t put all of your eggs in one basket.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob

    (The non-NY Bob)

    I dont know who has more a of sense of entitlement: Yankees fans or Canadian hockey fans.

    We get it, the Yanks are the champs and as we know to be the best you have to beat the best. It would be nice for one of these Yankee fans that come here to acknowledge how tough a WS run is, no matter how good your team is.

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    We could just give the Yankees the title now…save us all from embarassment, since theyll likely go 154-8 and then coast through the postseason too. Their lefties will bat right, their righties will bat left, their pitchers will throw underhand for fun…and they’ll still win.

    Anyway, I actually think the Red Sox are positioned to take them down this season. And yes, I’m worried about the Red Sox.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Positive Thoughts!

    1st- Great Report! this is the stuff I think we all agree that we want to hear.

    2nd- If Rollins says that those are his goals I am 100% behind him cause if he steals 50 bases and hits 300 with 150 runs that means Utley/Howard/Werth have career years, unless the 19 more stolen bases are home.

    3rd- good to see Lidge pain free good good good

    4th Moyer chomping at the bit is good, competition is awesome wanna see them fight it our for the last rotation spot.

    5th- Why be so critical, negative, pessimistic, whatever you want to call it? I am so excited for baseball and the Phillies. My hopes are up and they should be! We have won 3 straight divisions 2 NL championships 1 WS best last 5-6 years in Phillies History.

    I have been feeling the last several months and many of you know me cause I post alot here that many are just wanting to look at the negative of everything this team does, sorry the above record allows me to be an optimist and trust this organization!

    Lets rally behind this team and enjoy the ride!!!

    Go Phils

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Jeff of Nova…

    Put me in the “positive” camp….along with the likes of George, Don M, shag beta, Original Chuck P, Manny (most of the time), of course Pat, Ed R, Bob (the non-NY one), et al…..I’m sure I’m missing many…

    (Note: I’d love to put Dipsy in this group…. he’s not really negative…..but you all get my drift….)

    Glad you decided to stay Jeff of Nova….yesterday you sounded like a beaten man. I understand…..some of these posts are stupid and ridiculous…..and oh so negative….

    Let’s all just try to get behind our Phillies….it’s a new season, Spring Training is under way, and the prognosis for our team has never been better to start the new season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Pat: I also see the Red Sox giving the Yankees a tough time in the division.. and they could be the ones in the WS. I just see an improved Red Sox team who’s hungry now (hungrier than usual) to take the Yankees down.

    On Halladay, I read something on MLB.com that said that he has never swung a bat, that he needs to learn how to bunt, stuff like that. J-roll was joking that they’ll miss Cliff’s two-out doubles… As someone who likes NL pitchers that can hit, I really hope Roy learns how to hit/bunt/run the bases –without getting injured. I know I worry too much… but he’s freaking Roy Halladay… he better be healthy all the time cause we’re gonna need him!

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think Rollins (with a better lineup behind him), will get lots of fastballs to hit all season. . . pitchers will want to go right after, not nibble-and put him on base for the big guys

    and Polanco is a tougher out than Victorino . . Utley is healthy. . .Howard is a beast

    I don’t know about J-Roll hitting .300.. but with a career .274 batting average . . I could see him in the .280, .285 range this year

    In 2007, he scored 139 Runs . . . but he had 716 At-Bats … I could see Rollins somewhere around 130 Runs scored. . and 50 Steals would be a stretch, but with a pure contact-hitter in Polanco.. he’ll have the confidence not to worry about a Stike-Him-Out—-Throw-Him-Out DOUBLE PLAY

    So I see Rollins with more steals too

    I would say Jimmy Rollins, .285 average, 130 Runs, 40 Steals.. wouldn’t be that much of a stretch . . and I think that his goals aren’t unreachable

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    eventhough my opinion doesn’t count for jacksh!ht on here… I had great idea

    what if .. you guys linked our roster, to a Baseball Reference page, or the Yahoo, or MLB player profile page.. of each player

    I just had to open a new window, go to Yahoo, search for Jimmy Rollins..and check all his stats . . maybe you could even link such a page to where the player’s are listed by salary ??

    just a thought.. a little more all-in-one on the website, holler

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Chuck,
    Yeah I agree! There are a lot of the positive group. Lets keep it going!

    Looking forward to a fun season

    Hey Brian,

    When do we get info on Fantasy baseball

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    Don M, can’t really divulge too much info, but we are working on some big things…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    You should never bet against this team…

    First, Rollins will have a better season… he almost has to because it really couldn’t have been much worse. Maybe him turning the focus on himself is a good thing. In the past, he has done that and been successful.

    Second, Lidge is really important this season… we’re not going to win anything if he is as bad as he was last season. As long as there has been “closers,” I don’t know if there has ever been a team in baseball that has made it to a World Series with a closer as bad as Lidge was in 2009.

    3rd – Yankees are marginally better… I don’t think Granderson will live up to his contract. Defensively, he’s not that good. He’s dog dirt terrible against lefties… he hit .183 against lefties in 2009 (to put that in perspective, Howard hit .207. Granderson’s power numbers jumped (hitting 30 HR in ’09) but everything else fell. For what it’s worth, they’re going to miss Johnny Damon and they may have gotten Nick Johnson too late (they’ve seemingly wanted him for years)… what scares me more than anything is the addition of Vazquez. He’s not a big game player but he’ll eat innings and should help save some arms.

    Lastly… Halladay. I think that I’m going to end every post from here until the end of the season with that. Halladay…

     
  • Posts: 0 DrMagnificent

    The Red Sox are looking very good this year. With the addition of Lackey I’d say they’re rotation is certainly on par if not better than the Yankees. And Beltre will give them a boost…I wish we had signed him instead of Polanco but whatever.

    And Rollins’ aggressiveness on the basepaths kind of worries me. That kind of ambitiousness could make for some poor decisions on when to run.

    Overall, I haven’t been a huge fan of the Phillies running game. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense with a power hitting lineup like we have. While I feel Davey Lopes does a good job, I disagree with almost always giving players a green light. While we have speed at the top of the lineup, I find it extremely aggravating when Rollins or Victorino risk making an out when Chase Utley is at the plate, who is likely to hit an extra base hit that plates a guy from first anyway, or walk, making the steal worthless. Risking an out with an attempted steal when you have a guy with a near .400 OBP at the plate just makes no sense at all.

    I know fans tend to favor the “Gotta be aggressive!” mantra, but it often doesn’t make practical sense.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Think about this as far as the Red Sox having success this year. and “giving the Yankees a hard time”…..and the ramifications it could have on the Phillies….

    Say the Sox give the Yankees a real run….say they get to the WS and fall short….or even deep into the playoffs and fall short…..they’re one or two pieces away from winning it all.

    Enter into the picture Jayson Werth….you know…..the one that will be due a BIG payday.

    Werth has the desire to WIN…he won here…..he now sees it again with the Sox….and the Red Sox have the $$$$.

    Not that the Phillies aren’t winners and contenders…..not that the Phillies don’t want him….and not that Werth doesn’t like it here….he can stay, play for a winner, and make really good money.

    Or he can go to the Red Sox….the team that’s one or two pieces away from it all…and make REALLY, REALLY good money.

    I’m not saying that Werth might not go to someplace like Boston anyway….but the fact that they might be poised for winning it all could be just enough to push him out the door.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brett

    I could definitely see Werth being big in Boston…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Rollins has had a few seasons with more than 40 steals before . . so its not like he’s saying he wants 100 steals and he’ll be running no matter what

    Pat Gallen . . give us hints

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Yea I said that before Boston was interested in Holliday and Bay this year …. you know that they’ll be interested in Werth or Crawford next year

    the other teams that have interest in Werth would probably be the Cubs, Angels, maybe even the Dodgers with Manny departing (but I can’t see him going back to LA)

    San Francisco needs some offense.. . ..

    if Werth doesn’t stay here, I hope he goes to a city that will appreciate him . . like Boston or Chicago … not just chasing money somewhere that doesn’t love baseball

     
  • Posts: 0 DrMagnificent

    Yeah the Red Sox would definitely pose a threat to snatch up Werth next year. Ellsbury’s contract is up this after 2010, correct? Werth would be a huge upgrade over Ellsbury, and I think Theo Epstein is plenty smart enough to realize Jacoby’s defense is hugely over rated.

    The only way I feel the Phils can resign Werth is to trade Howard next off season. I know this is a touchy subject, but signing Howard to a mega contract is a huge concern of mine. I know I’m not the only one with reservations about that huge swing suffering with age.

    Yeah, basically the Ibanez, Lidge contracts are primed to bite us in the ass big time next year.

     
  • Posts: 0 fan since birth

    1. JImmy Rollins wont get 50 steals i think his numbers are .275/12/75/79/36. He isnt on base enough to get 50 steals.

    2. Brad Lidge will be a ride like always I think he projects to 2-4/4.25/65games/ 32 sv/ 38 chances still 6 blown saves. He will be way better then last year so thats a plus.

    3. Jamie Moyer will not be the 5th starter. Kendrick is going to take that spot I think. If I were the Phillies I would cut Moyer at the end of spring cause he isnt going to be productive enough to be worthy of a roster spot.

    4. Roy Halladay- I have seen this guy pitch at Baltimore and he is astonishingly good. He donest miss his mark and when he does the hitter is so fooled they swing. He will be as advertised and will be a anchor to me in a rotaion that will be one of the best in the NL this season. I project hallday at 19-5 2.99era 221.1ip and 11 CG. He will throw lots of low effort complete games vs marlins, nationals, pirates and maybe the mets.

    5. World Series predicton by sporting news of Yankees over Phillies. I think that the Phillies are a lock to make it but the AL has a few teams that are going to compete for it, The Redsox have the pitching but lack the offense, the Mariners have the Pitching but no Offense and the darkhorse to have a Rays like run in 08 is the Texas Rangers. They have a dynamic offense and some good young pitching. just a hunch but they might make the west race intresting or not and I’ll look back at this post and go man im Dumb. I think the Phillies this year matchup better with out feliz who strikes out alot and victorinio lower. The NL has no competeiton for the Phightins, Dodgers 3 peat of NLCS loses to us would be embarassing. I think the Phillies play the Redsoxs and win this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Chuck P

    I love that ending I may follow in your steps.

    I am actually curious to see how Kendrick does this spring, I am excited to see what he has worked on the last offsesason and last year.

    Also curious to see how Happ comes out of a tremendous Rookie year.

    I think the sky is the limit for this 1-8 lineup

    Also what is everyone’s prediction on the bullpen

    I am thinking

    Closer
    Lidge
    Setup
    Madson

    Contreras
    Romero (DL) to start
    Mathieson
    Durbin
    Moyer
    Baez

    I know that leaves 4 on the bench. I think Mathieson is going to be an impact pitcher in the pen.

    If Moyer is in the rotation then I will suspect they go 5 on the bench and put Kendrick in AAA( he is not a bullpen guy at this point)

    Starting 8

    Rollins
    Polanco
    Utley
    Howard
    Werth
    Ibanez
    Victorino
    Ruiz

    Bench
    Dobbs
    Schneider
    Francisco
    Gload
    Castro or Mayberry depends on their direction of what they want

    Starting 5
    Halladay
    Hamels
    Blanton
    Happ
    Kendrick

    Anyway that is what I got for a roster

    And of course I end with

    Happy Halladay:)

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Lopes won’t let Rollins be overagressive…

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    That’s my point…..that Werth COULD, SHOULD play for a winner….and not just the team….but the city. Boston and Chicago exemplify that perfectly….along with Philly.

    But it’s more than just any “winner”…..it’s a winner that’s “on the door” of winning it all….Boston could be that team.

    Just like “fan since birth” mentions above…. “Red Sox have the pitching but lack the offense.” Werth could be the answer to that for them.

    ——

    Davey Lopes may not let Rollins be “overaggresive”……but I think Lopes is smart enough to let Rollins take more chances than he might with someone else. Rollins has the experience and tenure to warrant that level of respect from the coaching staff.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Im pretty sure Ellsbury is under Red Sox team-control for like 3 more years . . . maybe he becomes arbitration eligable after this season? But that only means that he has a chance to say how much money he’s worth, and what he wants his salary to be.

    On the Bench: . . . Castro over Mayberry without a doubt. They got him because every team NEEDS to have a defensive player.


    I was big on the Rangers last year, and I still like them this year.. they should definitely have the offense to compete. But it all depends on their young pitching. Neftali Feliz is the real deal, but i dont know if they are making him a starter again or not? The loss of Kevin Milwood might hurt them for a while, but Nolan Ryan is in charge there now, and he’s not worried about pitch-counts and stuff . . he’s trying to get some BULLS in his pitching staff

    I think the Rockies are really, really, really, really dangerous this year

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    1. Jacoby Ellsbury
    2. Dustin Pedroia
    3. Kevin Youkilis
    4. Victor Martinez
    5. David Ortiz
    6. Adrian Beltre
    7. J.D. Drew
    8. Mike Cameron
    9. Marco Scutarro

    LACK OF OFFENSE ???????

    I just came up with this scenario in my head, but here it goes:

    I could easily see the RedSox going hard after Jayson Werth to take over to J.D. Drew . . . .who they could shift to DH for David Ortiz…

    The RedSox have a $12.5 M option for Ortiz, they still owe Drew $28 M total over the next two seasons . . . He isn’t great in the field to begin with, and he’s often battling injury. So why not move him to DH, get better in the OF, and let Drew focus only on his hitting

    damn.. Werth’s gonna be gone

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Thanks for painting that nice, rosy picture, Don…..of course, I started off by mentioning Werth wanting (?) going to Boston in the first place.

    Rockies being dangerous. Red Sox on the cusp. A WS rematch isn’t out of the question at some point.

    Juan Castro is this year’s Eric Bruntlett. NOBODY should be expecting anything from him except his glove. Any offensive production should jus be considered gravy.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Don that makes sense about JD Drew.

    What I would like to see the Phils do if at all possible is this in next years offseason… most likely will not happen but if they could

    Trade Ibanez and Lidge for anything (cup of tea, a pizza, anything) Take the money saved and resign Werth and to a deal that makes sense for the Phils.

    Then you bring up Brown to take Ibanez spot or you move Francisco out there till he is ready.

    I truly think and like I said before I am big optimist, but I am high on him is Mathieson. I forsee him being our closer at some point, but if he is not ready put Baez there.

    Thats one solution.

    Other is up your cap the ownership has put on the salaries.

    Alot of that depends on this groups success.

    Halladay

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Lopes won’t let Rolling be overaggressive… I think that Rollins is just realizing that he should be attempting to steal more bases because he’s historically efficient. To get to 50, that means he’s gotta be on base… hopefully that means he has better plate discipline in 2010.

    I love Moyer… everyone knows that… but I’m with everyone. There is virtually no chance that he’ll end the season as our 5th starter. Kendrick might not make it, either. We’ll piece it together with the likes of Carpenter, Savery et al. I’m curious to see what they do with Bastardo… have they decided that he’s no longer “starter material?”

    Halladay…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Not only the Werth deal . . . . but Howard’s salary is going to jump way up if they want to keep him (which they do)

    you can’t really have a team with multiple players making $20 M..

    Halladay, Howard, Utley .. Werth and Hamels would be appraoching that number in their next contracts.

    Ibanez.. at what $11.5 M … you would need to pay all but $4-5 M of that I think..

    Mathieson as next year’s Closer seems scary.. lets see him and Madson both step up this year and make Lidge pitch for his job.

    ” J-DUB FAN CLUB ”

    I really hope they can find a way to keep Jayson Werth, but with multiple big market teams willing to outbid the Phillies … and this his one chance to make a payday . . I can’t fault either side if Werth goes to the highest bidder, if that team is also a contender.


    Bastardo reminds me SO MUCH of Romero . . . I see him as our Lefty-Specialist of the future

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Unfortunately, the case with Werth is going to be way different than it would be for Rollins, or Utley . . . guys who already signed their big “free agent” Contracts.. the took multi-year deals at market value prices .

    Werth never had that chance .. and with his one chance to take care of his family for life, I hope the Phillies can find a way to make it happen

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Don that is so true like I said mine is highly unlikely cause it is next to impossible to have that many high price players.

    In a perfect world we keep all our favorite players forever but not happening.

    I trust RAJ has a plan ready to work for this team, and of course we can only speculate, guess, hope and pray lol

    Halladay

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    I like players with agressive goals but the goal that JRoll needs to focus on his OBP. Phils would be better off with a leadoff hitter with at least a .360 OBP (JRoll lifetime is .329). Last year Jimmy’s OBP was a horrid .296 – worst of the starting 8 and worse than most of the bench.
    There is no way he can get 50 steals without improving his number of chances which means a higher average and more walks, etc.
    Alternatively move him down in the lineup – he is productive with runners on base.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Y.

    Where do you bat Victorino? I say leave him at 2. If he drops below 280, move him to 9

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I think all guys out there that can do it…… should grow crazy-a$$ beards like Werth… and show up at games…..to make a big statement to the Phillies management.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Victorino doesn’t perform well in the leadoff spot, because he jumps at pitches.. and is too aggressive . . . making him a great pick for #6 or #7

    Polanco is as close to the PERFECT #2 HITTER as you’ll find in baseball . . . he does all the small things

    I liked Ibanez 6th, Victorino 7th . . .that might hurt with Ibanez on base ahead of Vic.. holding him back from taking extra-bases, etc.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I’m sure Vic would LOVE the leadoff spot….because he’s so damn cocky and thinks he can do it…..but he would suck there. I agree….Polanco #2 and Vic #7.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    If you would like to extend Werth, give him this: a three year extension at 3y/39m, payed thusly:

    2011 – 8m
    2012 – 12m
    2013 – 19m

    I think that Werth, right now, is a 9m a year player. Add another stellar year this year, he becomes a 12m player. Thats is not to say that somebody may be come mindless and give him 4/60-65. Because he has such a small body of work, it is my opinion that only one more great season will jack his price tag up that much more. The reason I would structure the deal this way is to obviously try to fit him in next year to keep the nucleus intact. Because he is taking his big money on the end I would give him an extra 3m.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I really think that if Phillies fans want to tell management to keep Jayson Werth . . .

    that Right Field needs to become his version of “MANNYWOOD” …. let the front office know that we want him to stay, even if it means a few extra dollars for our tickets.

    brainstorming …it could either have something fun to do with his Jesus-like appearance . . like “The Promised Land” Fans

    or call the Right-Field sections “ANTI-GRAVITY” . .because “nothing drops in RF” with Werth there…

    …someone more creative than me should really get at it

    F the Flyin Hawaiian, and how much they try to market him.. he’s there for the kids.. REAL fans like Utley, Rollins, Werth . . . guys that make heads-up plays, playing Old-School baseball

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    “Add another stellar year this year”….. and Jayson Werth is MORE than a $12 M player. I’m going on record now as saying that some team will pay him more than that…..whether it’s the Phillies or somebody else.

    And 4/60 from a team like Boston would not shock me at all.

    Your pay-out scenario, however, is interesting.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    The Phils would naturally make that offer before the season started. I wonder if Jason would take that offer today. If I were he, I’d have to say I would. And I’m trying to be objective. And that would be unprecedented cost certainty for the Phillies.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Taking about players who will benefit with the changes in the lineup, we forgot to mention CHOOCH. With Shane on base hopefully more often than Pedro Feliz, Chooch might hit for a higher average. When Pedro was on fire early last season, Chooch was also on fire (He had like a .300 average and at some point was 5th in the All-Star voting for catchers!).

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    That’s a GREAT deal…..for the Phillies.

    I think Werth thinks he can get more…..in years and dollars. And I think that, too.

    But who knows…..??????

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Jason Bay got a nice 4/$66, right? Now, we all know that Werth is the better player but Werth doesn’t have as much to back it up on paper. Bay has put up similar numbers but he has done it over the course of six years… Werth has really only had two decent seasons. I don’t know if he’ll get 4/66… maybe something in the 3 year / 12-15 million range. Thoughts?

    Oh yeah, Halladay…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    When you’re looking at the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Angels, and Phillies.. all potentially in the mix for his services next year . . (and I guess maybe the WhiteSox and Giants would be too?) …

    he’s going to be getting an annual salary of around $15 M … and probably for 4-5 years.. and AL team can use him to DH, or move to 1b or something somewhere down the line

    I think it would take at least, 4 years, $50 Million to keep Werth right now.. and I think he gets more than that if he becomes a Free Agent

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Like Dipsy said, something like 3/39….structured appropriately….and that’s a good deal for both sides….at least that’s my opinion.

    But Werth probably can get more, no?

    ok….Halladay.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I agree Original with your Werthy assessment.

    Bay gets so much crap lately, and he is an incredible player… they give him a tough time for his defense, which is so underrated that people are gonna be in for a big surprise.

    Also, can we please stop shipping Werth to Boston already? Red Sox are gonna have to re-sign Beckett (Lackey money probably), figure out what to do with third base (Beltre on a 1-year deal). I know they are a big club, but no one team has unlimited funds! (Well, maybe the Yankees, but that’s it!)

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    You’re all just in love with the beard…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Ortiz at $11.5 M comes off their books next year.. they have money to spend..

    and with Lackey, Lester, Bucholz already under team control . . . Beckett isn’t really a priority I dont think.. they would like him, but probably wont break the bank for him


    why is everyone ending every post by saying

    “Halladay”

    ??

     
 
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