Spring Training Odds and Ends: Rollins, Lidge

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, February 24, 2010 11:24 PM | Comments: 98

-Will J-Roll predict the future once again?  Apparently, not this year.  In Matt Gelb’s piece in the Inquirer today, Rollins shied away from his usual pre-season prognostication.  However, he did point out that he wants to steal 50 bases, score 150 runs, and hit .300.

I can see 50 steals.  With Davy Lopes at first, why the hell not.  One-hundred and fifty runs? That feat has been accomplished just 46 times in MLB history, the last coming in 2000 compliments of Jeff Bagwell. If Rollins touches home 150 times, then he certainly should be well above .300. And if that happens, look out, he could be the next MVP.  I’ll temper my expectations with Jimmy, because he was just average a year ago.  I do believe he’ll be better, but .300/150/50? Not so sure.

-Brad Lidge kicked his spring off on Monday by throwing 20 pitches off of a mound for the first time since offseason knee and elbow surgery.  Today, he watched.  As Phillies pitchers took fielding practice, Lidge peered from the sidelines as he’ll take it slow in his recovery process. The Phils closer is scheduled to pitch again tomorrow, but he said he feels completely pain free so far. Good sign.

-Jamie Moyer, too, is chomping at the bit to get healthy and to pitch again ASAP. The ageless one was able to take fielding practice with his mates today as he recovers nicely from  multiple surgeries this offseason.

It’s great to see Moyer healthy again, but lets be honest, he’s no longer someone who excites us as a part of the rotation.  He will have to work to get his spot back, as Kyle Kendrick and others want that coveted #5 spot.  But as far as his health goes, glad to see him nearing 100 percent.

-And for the news everyone wants to hear: Roy Halladay will throw tomorrow!  He’ll toss to a group of Phillies that will include Chase Utley and Raul Ibanez, although it’s rare they swing.  But come on, that just sounds cool.

-Ryan Fagan of The Sporting News broke down the Phillies for upcoming season and sees them in a rematch with the Yankees in the Fall Classic. He also sees them losing.  Hard to argue with the first part of that statement. But I’d bet there are many of you who take issue with his selection of the Yanks for back-to-back titles.

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  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Probably some kind of chant. I just did it because I figured it was the thing to do.

    Sort of like doing “The Wave” when it comes around to you.

    Manny…the beard is totally cool. Not that I would look good with one like that, mind you.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Someone on the facebook page said just call him Jaysus… hehe…

    Werth doesn’t seem like a Red Sox guy… but he would rake in that park. I would hate to see him go. I am not a huge Jayson Werth fan but he’s uber talented. If he realizes how good he can be and continues to work hard, his best years may be ahead of him.

    Halladay… hehe… read my post at 10:05.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Ok. Cool. Got it. I won’t do that anymore. “Halladay” is unique to you.

  • Posts: 0 shagbetasigma

    Thanks for putting me in the positive group.
    But I also do not count my eggs early. Though I think we have a great shot at the NL East crown again. The playoffs are about match ups and you never know what will happen. Unless it is the Dodgers, I think the Phillies are so far in their heads they might as well stay home.
    It is hard enough to make it there 2 in a row, 3 is going to be tough.
    On the other hand we did make it there last year without a closer ( I think Brad will be a lot better this year) a lead off guy ( I love Jimmy leading off but the first 4 months of the season he was just bad) or an Ace(Lee came in late, and I think Cole will be back in true Cole form this year) So I feel good right now, but they still have to play the 162 to get there. I and I will be there ever other sunday doing just that.

  • Posts: 0 shagbetasigma

    On Wreth, I think if they are going to keep him they have to do it before the year is up. If you can extend him then there would not be other offers, if you wait some AL team is going to throw 15-17 million for 4 years at him. And since when is 39 million not enough to set up your family for life, 40 million dollars for 3 years is not a big contract? I think he would stay for that.
    And when it comes to being overly aggresive stealing bases, with the Phillies success rate I do not care who is up to bat. If it is there you run, the threat of running makes pitchers make mistakes, 1 or no outs Rollins on first he should run. It also move the infielders, so more ground balls will be hits, as long as the % stays way above average you can never be too aggressive especially early on in games.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Anyone in that positive group should feel free to end with Halladay… gotta keep it positive on here and I can’t think of a better way to do that than to finish a thought by mentioning the name of the greatest pitcher in baseball… the one that will be toeing the mound on opening day for our Phightins…

    Wait for it…


  • Posts: 0 Chuck


  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    every single steal, means a base hit from a run. meaning one jimmy rollins steal equals a big solo blast from one of the boopers. 1 steal= 1 home run

    with polanco batting second as the hardest to face in the lineup, and chase and howard in the on deck circle, jimmy should be flying this year. he has never been a lead-off hitter, i feel like the polanco signing was for jimmy

    whats his name? J-Roll! whats his name. J-Roll!

  • Posts: 0 pheeling it


  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The reason that you are hearing that Werth’s number will be $16 M . . . is because that is what is getting back to his agent, from the teams that would be interested

    $40 M is a lot . . . $60 M is a lot more…

    who is going to turn down extra money that nature

    the difference between 40-60 . .. is WAY more than between say 100-120.. for pretty much the same reasons that Rowand left, I think Werth will be gone after this season.

    The Phillies don’t want to commit right now, because there is a very good chance to Domomic Brown is MLB ready for next season, and they don’t want to have $30+ M tied up in their OF’s . .when they could get away with paying Brown $400,000 instead

    lets let the year play out.. maybe Ibanez never comes back from his injury?? Then Werth is needed that much more . . . maybe Brown hits .350 in AAA and proves he’s ready for the majors.. etc

  • Posts: 0 Don M


  • Posts: 0 Don M

    er, I mean, Halladay

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Nice write-up.

    I think it’ll take more than 13 per to keep Werth. Soriano 18, Bay 16, Holliday 17, Ichiro 17, Wells 12.5 going up to 21(ouch), Rios 12.5…

    14.5 might do it. 4/58 should be doable from the Phils perspective. Werths 7+Moyer’s 6.5+1 of Romero’s 4 get’s you there. The 23 million for Lidge and Ibanez following 2011 would go towards a closer and resigning Howard and Hamels.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Forgot to end with Halladay! Can’t waqit to see him pitch. Also looking forward to heding up to reading to check out Aumonte.


  • Posts: 0 George

    One problem I can see with Rollins’ quest for 50 steals is Polanco, not that that is a bad thing. Polanco is such a contact hitter that many steal attempts will end with Rollins continuing to third because the pitched ball has become a base hit.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    If Brown hits .350 in AAA in 2010, we’ll all be saying, “Jayson who?”

    I’m trying not to look ahead… we should all be really excited about 2010 and Jayson Werth is a huge reason why. Like I said, it’s going to sting if/when he leaves. Rube said that there are some scenarios under which Jayson Werth remains a Phillie but the writing appears to be on the wall. Ibanez is here for at least one more season, Vic is here for the next three, Brown has been annointed the future and we’ve got other players to take care of first (Howard, Rollins, Hamels).

    One thing is clear; questionable deals lead to what ifs… what if we had found a way to sign Raul to a two-year deal? What if we had not given Jamie Moyer his deal?

    But then there’s Halladay…

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    that 3rd year is why Ibanez signed here… and Ibanez in the 1st half of last year is how we managed to win enough overall games to win the NL EAST again

    except for Moyer’s 2nd year.. I’ve been on board with just about every single thing the Phillies have done lately

    and there is a chance that Moyer will still WIN the #5 spot this year.. so that might not be the worst move ever

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    The gap in consistent production between Werth and some of those guys is huge… he had two good seasons. A few of those guys found their names on MVP ballots… Rios was in his fifth season of 400+ AB’s.

    I think that Jayson Werth is every bit as good as some of those guys but they got big money because they either produced at a high level for multiple seasons OR they took advantage of JP Riccardi. I like Werth but he won’t get the contract that Jayson Bay does unless he hits the cover off the ball this season.

    Gotta run… drive safe and Halladay

  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Yeah either way I think whatever happens to Moyer we can all agree he is over paid this year. I really think he will do better in the pen

    Moyer with his deceptive pitching style fools hitters for 1 maybe 2 times through the lineup which makes him the perfect middle reliever.

    I have felt that for awhile, and I think we all saw how well he can do in the pen, as of last year after Pedro was signed. Anyhow just some thoughts.

    Have a nice evening all and Happy Halladay

  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Speaking of Halladay great arlticle on Phillies.com about him pitching with Ibanez, Utley and Dom Brown in the box.


    My favorite part is Utley’s look back at one of Halladay’s sinkers with the look of “we’re supposed to hit that?”

    And that is one of the best hitters in the game, so the is post speaks for itself


  • Posts: 0 Chuck


    No….that’s not right. (I DO want Jamie to do well, though)

    But really it’s…..


  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    In my opinion, there are generally three groups in this blog. There is the positive Don M/Chuck group, there is the cynical Manny/The Dipsy group (not saying its bad) then there is the idiot group, Just Crushed/SpankeYankee etc.

    I think that a lot of us are discounting the Mets too early. They had tons and tons of injuries, so I expect them to compete for the division this year.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Does Kendrick throw sinker,.. or splitter? . . I think its a sinker right?

    I’ve been knocking him for the past two seasons, saying that he’s a major league pitcher.. just not for a World Series caliber team

    I’m officially ready to change my stance though. I think he wins the 5th starter spot, and iturns in a year of 4ish ERA, and wins 12+ games

    Similar in size, and in story (sent back to the minors).. I think working with Halladay is going to be a great thing for him

    I don’t want to come across as 100% positive with every single move they make.. It’s just that im 26, and the last few years have been the best Phillies-years of my life. they are doing things right now, and have earned my complete trust and confidence. . random moves like letting Jenkins go instead of Stairs . . or even this year with letting Myers go, I don’t really like…. but the guys that run the team know more than we do, and we shouldn’t knock everything they do to try to make themselves better

    bring in every veteran arm, and bat possible because you never know when the next JC Romero, Scott Eyre, or Chan Ho Park will come around.

    Baez wasn’t a great deal .. but it was a very smart deal to stabilize the pen. I really think this team is going to be amazing this year.. and even with the Braves winning upwards of 90 games.. we should still win the NL EAST with ease

    Phillies, ?, Rockies … Braves wild card

    I like the Cardinals lineup, but their pitching is a question mark to me

  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    Don, I think Kendrick throws a two seam fastball, but im not sure.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Report from Clearwater:

    Apparantely, Domonic Brown took live BP today and faced Halladay and said, “It was pretty nasty, man. Pretty nasty.”

    Chase Utley stood in, Chooch was catching

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Chase stood in, Ruiz was catching and Utley shot Ruiz a look as if to say, “And we’re supposed to hit that?”

    One word…


  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I was watching an interview with Cole Hamels the other day, it might have been SportsNite, where he said he was not comfortable with his curveball grip all last season. I’ve also read that, because of an injury to his forearm (?) when he was younger, the curve puts a strain on his arm. I’m thinking that maybe the curve is not the right third pitch for Cole. If he’s gonna throw it just has to break a little sharper. I also heard he was working on a cutter. Thank god. I think thats his pitch. Something to throw to both lefties and righties. Thats fastball to a righty is like home cookin. I think he’s gonna pitch well. I wish he could throw a riser.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Holy crap, Second John.. you grouped me with the Dipsy despite that I usually never agree with him!

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Kendrick’s sinker (his best pitch) can only get better if he keeps hanging out with Roy “nasty sinker” Halladay…

  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    This string is probably dead already, but since my internet was out all day yesterday, I’ll comment anyway (sure a lot of people waiting with baited breath!).
    I don’t really care if Jimmy hits 260 or 300 – just want to see his obp% break 360. If that happens, 50 steals/150 runs are definitely in the picture (probably more like 135 runs). To start the season, I think Jimmy should run every time he leads off an inning getting on base, except against the Petites of the world, lefties with good/illegal moves to first. Slow it down a bit as the season goes on – the threat of a steal is almost as bad as the steal itself – gets the pitcher out of rythym,…. With Polanco batting second, should be able to move him to over half the time (probably 30% without no outs). If Pitchers consistently walk Utley, then Howard, Werth, and Ibanez are going to punish them.

    Boston would love Werth – in the Dirt Dog mode of Varitek, Trot Nixon, Greenwell, Pudge,…

    There are always injuries (although usually not as bad as the Mets had last year), teams with depth tend to survive it. I think the Yanks and Rays are the elites in the AL – something Met-like has to happen for them not to make the playoffs. They are the top tier.

    The Rangers look good, but get killed by playing half their games in Arlington – just too hot, the guys wear down by Sept. Boston looks good on paper, but they don’t have a lot of depth, especially on offense. How is Beltre going to hit, is Ortiz done, who is their shortstop, will JD play 140 games,…. In Sea, pitching looks good, and Figgins fits that team/field perfectly, but there is always the Milton Bradley factor to consider, Ichiro is older, who else is going to hit? Twins are always in there, but not real scary, LAA looks worse, but always find a way. AL central is a wasteland.

    In the NL, the Phils, Rockies, and Braves are the only teams who improved (I put the Braves in the Bos category – everything has to break right). The Mets have to be better, but they have no starters after Santana, it’s going to toast their bullpen.

    Although the Cards get the benefit of a full year of Holliday, their pitching isn’t as good (although Duncan always finds a way). Dodgers get a little more experience from their kids, but lost a lot of pitching. Reds have a lot of talent, but are still probably a year or two from contending. Cubs always look good on paper, then underperform.

    It’s hard not to pick the Phils for the division and pennant. I think the other team will be the Al East, but a roll of the dice on who (Yanks, Rays, Bos – who stays the healthiest).

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Health, average years and perhaps as a bonus some career years.
    The only barrier I see to a Phils repeat in the NL is health, which affects every club and their chances.
    Someone mentioned earlier that Polanco, being a true contact, low strike out batter hitting second, that might hinder JRolls quest for 50 SB’s. I disagree. I think this is even more of a chance for hit and run giving Polanco a lot to work with (moving runners up) and setting the scene for some heavy lumber. Utley, Howard, Werth could all see personal bests for RBI’s based on a healthy front end of the lineup.
    I guess the burning question I have is; “Are the Phils done with all the moves?”

  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova


    Answer to your question is

    Yes, not really that burning though.

    oh by the way

    Happy Halladay

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Phils are done spending money… I think Rube said that earlier this week. You’d have to be crazy not to pick the Phillies but anything can happen. Injuries would be the most likely impediment but a teams like the Braves and Marlins that have scary pitching could surprise everyone. One thing is clear to me; this team has more heart than anyone else out there. I have visions of last year’s team plus a focused/rested Hamels and Halladay for an entire year and think, “This team could easily win 100+ games.” We won 93 last year and we were really forced to piece a lot of things together… think about how many guys were used to keep things afloat: Lee, Happ, Myers, Moyer, Martinez, Lopez, Kendrick, Bastardo, Park, Carpenter… if we can get some consistency in our rotation, we’ll win 100+ games. We all think that Moyer is probably not going to make it very long but I’m ok with Kendrick, Bastardo, Carpenter and whoever proves themselves on the minor league circuit plugging the #5 hole as long as Halladay, Hamels, Blanton and Happ are there for the long haul.

    With all this snow out there, I really wish I was down in Florida…

    We’ve all heard about the Dom Brown/Halladay encounter. While Brown didn’t muster a hit, to me, it says something about him… he stepped into the box eager to swing against Halladay. He wanted to test himself and see what all the fuss was about. You’ve gotta remember that Halladay is the player to whom he was often linked to via trade rumors… I’m glad he’s still a Phillie.

    I’m glad that this guy is a Phillie, too…


  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I think the other key word on this site, other than “Halladay”, should be
    “Nasty”…..I can’t wait to see Brown. I’m really exited that we still have him……I hope he turns into what is expected…..it will make losing Werth a little easier if that actually happens.

    Halladay (Nasty)

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Not sure where it came from . . .but a week or two ago, somebody posted that Vegas had the Mets as like a 90-win team, the Braves an 80-win team, etc . .

    I saw this today, and its a lot closer to what my predictions would be .. including the Phillies and Braves slightly better, the Dodgers slightly worse . . the Rockies challenging in the NL West , etc..


    Arizona- 82
    Atlanta- 86.5
    Baltimore- 72.5
    Boston- 94
    Chicago C- 83
    Chicago W- 82
    Cincinnati- 78
    Cleveland- 73
    Colorado- 83
    Detroit- 81
    Florida- 81
    Houston- 77
    Kansas City- 71
    LA Angels- 84
    LA Dodgers- 84
    Milwaukee- 80.5
    Minnesota- 82
    NY Mets- 81
    NY Yankees- 94.5
    Oakland- 78
    Philadelphia- 92
    Pittsburgh- 71
    St. Louis- 88
    San Diego- 71
    San Francisco- 83
    Seattle- 83
    Tampa Bay- 89.5
    Texas- 83
    Toronto- 71
    Washington- 72

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    That would have the playoffs teams as:

    National League-
    Phillies, Cardinals, Dodgers, Braves = wild card

    American League –
    Yankees, Twins-WhiteSox tied, Angels, RedSox = wild card

    not really a stretch to pick those teams as the favorites
    but there predicted standings would be

    NL East
    Phillies – 94
    Braves – 86.5
    Mets – 81
    Marlins – 81
    Nats – 72

    NL Centreal:
    Cardinals – 88
    Cubs – 83
    Brewers – 80.5
    Reds – 78
    Astros – 77
    Pirates – 71

    NL West:
    Dodgers – 84
    Rockies – 83
    Giants – 83
    Diamondbacks – 82
    Padres – 71

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Wow!! Not one team on the list projected at less than 71 and more than 94.5. Has that actually ever happened before? I’ll have to look it up.

    Shows a narrowing of the disparity between the teams. Not that the Pirates, Royals and Padres can be considered “close” to the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I dont know that its really “projections” . . . but they set an Over-Under at what they think for people will be a coin-toss

    Phillies at 94 . . I would THINK they would have more than that, but I don’t think I would bet on it.

    I would put money on:

    Cleveland Indians UNDER 73 wins
    Tampa Bay Rays UNDER 89.5 wins

    Colorado Rockies OVER 83 wins
    New York Mets OVER 81 wins

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Hmmm… If I had to pick one word to describe each of our guys, which words would I use?
    Hamels – diva (relishes the spotlight, eager succeed)
    Rollins – swagger (no explanation needed)
    Utley – flawless
    Howard – transcendant
    Werth – raw (talented and unapologetic… especially now that he looks like Jaysus)
    Victorino – energetic (tireless, persistent and annoying at times… when he crosses the line into perky/arrogant)
    Ruiz – steady
    Ibanez – veteran (battle-tested, seasoned)
    Lidge – unsettled (impatient)

    And I’ll end with this…

    Halladay – superlative (as a noun, a thing that is highest quality… in grammar, it is an adjective that is used in situations where you are trying to define something that is excellent… Halladay should be synonymous with superlative, instead of thinking, “I need a superlative here” you can think, “I need a Halladay here.”)


  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    I’m not much of a gambler, so had to follow the lines a few days, look into more. Apparently, there aren’t a lot of bets on baseball this time of year, so the lines are very volatile. A few big bets can really swing the line. Must have looked at it on a day where there was a lot of Mets fans in Vegas. I like the Astros under, Rockies over.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    the Astros have a very good TOP of the lineup . . . Bourn, Hunter Pence, Lance Berkman, Carlos Lee

    a very good 1-2 punch. . . Roy Oswalt, Wandy Rodriguez . .Myers #3 could be a 15 game winner still

    so they will be a dangerous team, but over the long-haul, they will fall off

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Utley – flawless ??

    I would say “hustle” . . . but not flawless . . he has a chance to be GREAT . but guys that are capable of being .300 hitters, need to actually do that year-in and year-out

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    In this city, Utley can do no wrong… criticizing Utley is like committing blasphemy. He’s on pace to be the greatest second baseman of all-time… power, defense, speed, average… he does it all and has sort of redefined the position. There are five or six really good all-around 2B in MLB right now and that wasn’t the case prior to his emergence… Kinsler, Utley, Phillips, Pedroia, Cano, Zobrist, Roberts… all of those guys have really burst onto the scene more recently.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    “greatest second baseman of all-time”


    Tell that to relatives of Eddie Collins and Rogers Hornsby…to name a few.


  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Utley has played 891 games . . .or 5.5 seasons

    His average year thus far is

    .295 batting average
    29 HR
    106 RBI
    109 Runs scored
    15 Steals

    14 Errors

  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Well I would definitely say he is the best 2nd baseman in the game right now. Yes he makes some errors but he makes the spectacular plays


  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    He makes spectacular plays….and he plays smart. I think that’s what was meant by the word “flawless”.

    Utley, along with Rollins, is sort of like a field general out there. And it’s hard to argue that he’s maybe “the best in the game right now”.

    If the Phillies had a “Captain” like Jeter with the Yankees or Varitek with the Red Sox, I guess you could put Utley in that role. These types of players are a unique, almost rare breed…especially in today’s game.

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Chase Utley is the Man! Enough said.


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