Gameday: Marlins (6-5) at Phillies (8-2)

Posted by Jonathan Fogg, Sat, April 17, 2010 06:25 PM | Comments: 65
2010 Gameday, Posts

MarlinsFlorida Marlins (6-5) at Philadelphia Phillies (8-2)

Ricky Nolasco (0-0, 5.68) vs. Jamie Moyer (1-0, 7.50)

Time: 7:05, Citizens Bank Park

Weather: Partly cloudy, 54 degrees

TV: Comcast SportsNet

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Kyle Kendrick’s frightening first two starts of the season put pressure squarely on one other member of the Phillies’ rotation: Jamie Moyer. If Kendrick’s struggles continue but the 47-year-old Moyer pitches moderately well, the Phillies probably will be able to get by – even if it means yanking Kendrick from the rotation and calling up a replacement from Triple-A Lehigh Valley – until Joe Blanton returns. (Blanton is set to make his first rehab start for Single-A Lakewood on Tuesday, putting him on track to return to the Phils in early May.)

On the other hand, if Moyer also fails to pitch consistently, the Phillies have a problem. In his season debut last Saturday, Moyer had a subpar outing against the Astros at Minute Maid Park, allowing five two-out runs in the third inning but rebounding to last six innings and ride the Ryan Howard Express to victory.

For Moyer’s second start of the season, two opposing trends collide. On one hand, we have the crafty veteran’s hypnotic powers against the Marlins (13-4, 2.93 ERA), a perpetually young team whose lineup has never met a pitch it didn’t think it could jack 450 feet into the upper deck. But last season the Fish seemed to finally figure out Moyer, beating him three times, including once each in August and September (to Moyer’s credit, the Phils scored a total of three runs in those games).

As pressing as the questions about the Phillies’ pitching staff are, their lineup has been a industrial-strength bottle of Wite-Out, erasing most of the crooked numbers put up by the team’s pitchers – speaking of which, does anyone use Wite-Out anymore? Well, considering his age and experience, if anyone on the Phillies roster knows the value of Wite-Out, it’s Jamie Moyer.

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Timothy Malcolm

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  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Is Cole injured? Halladay pitched last night, so why is Moyer pitching?

  • Posts: 0 philsgirl

    Halladay’s and Moyer’s starts were switched (it would have been Moyer’s turn yesterday). Cole pitches the Sunday afternoon game as scheduled.

  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    i heard that roy halladay always pitches on 4 days rest, is that true? it could help out the whole rotation. roy halladay is such a beast after last night, true phillie. CLIFF LEE WHO!!!!! good luck by all means but enter the best pitcher in the league. bye bye cantu, cant do

  • Posts: 0 lH

    Thanks for the beer tip Timothy. Maybe someone know what Cole Hamels record is when pitching day games. Jamie faces the young and impatient Marlins who should bite at every drifting ball. Hopefully he keeps them off-balanced with good pitch selection and control.

  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Reason Cole isn’t pitching today is because Halladay was supposed to pitch today, but he and Moyer switched.

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    So what happened??! We were losing 2-0, I went to the bathroom for one minute, and I come back at it’s 5-0! WTF

  • Posts: 0 BurrGundy

    Jamie Moyer is KILLING this team — KILLING IT !!! He makes $8.5 million and absolutely stinks this year. My friend Red McNertney said this at the beginning of the season, but I defended Moyer, regrettably.
    Moyer and Kendrick need to be shipped off and out. Both stink, both will KILL us this year. Moyer should show some dignity and simply retire. And Amaro was plain STUPID to sign this guy for two years — That money could be used for two decent pitchers. DAMN !!!! I need a nerve pill !!!

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    What happened was that Ruben Amaro inadvisably traded Cliff Lee and now the Phils are stuck with a 47 yr old batting practice pitcher in their rotation.

  • Posts: 0 John K

    maybe if we all pool our money we can send it to Pedro c/o Ruben Amaro

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    That’s my issue burrg.

    He has nothing to prove any more.

    Show some class and retire instead of painfully dragging it out

  • Posts: 0 joe




  • Posts: 0 Jim

    But he’s a good guy! Old men can relate to him! Did you know he skipped school to go to the 1980 parade? You probably didn’t know that – they never talk about it. He’s a wily veteran! He knows how to pitch! He’s like an extra pitching coach out there! He had 12 wins last year!

  • Posts: 0 joe

    Pedro can touch 90′s…his change up is filthy…

    bring him back.

    When your fastball is 81 and your change is 79…theres not much difference…


  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    I missed the 1st inning, were Moyer’s pitches flat?

    No offense to Moyer and what he has done over his career or even as a Phillie but it makes me sick that he is our 5th starter. Even worse, I have no idea who replaces him.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    To make matters worst-it’s V. Nolasco.

    He just has to throw his glove on the mound and the Phillies curl up into a ball and hide in a corner.

  • Posts: 0 joe

    Ed…his pitches were typical Moyer pitches…
    he can only have a good game if the plate ump has a strike zone that is 50 feet wide.

    He got the lead off guy out. then single.walk.single.single.3 run bomb

    and I know who replaces him… PEDRO

  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Thanks Joe.

    Pedro will need a month or two if he was signed today to replace him. Pretty sure the reason no one signed him is because they only see him as a half season option.

  • Posts: 0 joe

    well then get on it, Ruben.

    cause i can’t take this anymore.

    Joe is throwing a rehab start tuesday…so he could be back soon..then KK is gone..

    but Moyer has to be out…HAS TO

  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Ugh, missed the first inning, saw the score, knew it was Moyer pitching without even thinking about it. I think it may be time for him to retire.

  • Posts: 0 jeff

    This team will n ever win with this pitching. Kendrick moyer hamel. Reben stinks. Pedro is old and done. No lee

  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Hamels will be fine.

  • Posts: 0 joe

    when Joe gets back…
    that’ll help.

    Doc, Hamels, Blanton, Haap…

    i can live with that

  • Posts: 0 joe


    who the hell is reben?

  • Posts: 0 BurrGundy

    I have a feeling that the starch is out of the Phils tonight, after the Old Man threw beach balls up for the Marlins in the first inning. They(Phils players) probably agree with us all about now being Moyer’s time to bid adeau. I hate to see it but I think Nolasco is going to wipe our asses tonight. I hope I am wrong.

  • Posts: 0 joe

    they look flat…

    can’t expect them to bail out every pitcher not named Doc.

    Moyer def. sucked the life out of them

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    In Moyer’s defense, at least he hasn’t given up any runs after the first inning.

    That being said, the Phillies lineup is going to have to make something happen and soon. Was hoping that Utley’s hit would be the start of a rally, but then Ryan got an out.

    And why aren’t they at least working the pitch count more?

  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Well…at least Jayson seems to be trying to work the count.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    How long will Cholly let this Ibanez disaster fester?

  • Posts: 0 BurrGundy

    Ibanez needs a couple of days off. That has helped slumping players in the past. We have Dobbs, Francisco and Gload who may be a lot more effective for a few games than Raul at this point. Nothing wrong with sitting a slumping player down and giving him a day or two off. Sometimes Cholly is a little too “old school.”

  • Posts: 0 philsgirl

    So far I’m using #9 and #8 of my top ten list from the stats article comment; I’m also changing #4 to “RAJ thought the phrase was ‘except for Roy Halladay there’s no *pitching* in baseball.” I’m not in the stands, but I may throw up uncontrollably anyway. We did this to ourselves.

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy


    Phillies cut or trade Moyer by July 1 3:1 Howard batting average year .283 1/2
    Ibanez batting average year .269 1/2
    Lidge saves 23 1/2
    Madson saves 23 1/2
    Baez saves 7 1/2

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 philsgirl

    Geez, Ryan, what a great place for a clutch homer that was…

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    They say prizefighters get old in one round of one fight – meaning it can happen just like that. It may be happening to Raul. It happened to Moyer last year, but we still owe him money, so we pretend that it hasn’t. So he keeps pitching. Honestly, I know guys in sports are schooled to get as much money as they can for as long as they can but Moyer oughta feel a little embarrassed to put that check in his pocket each week. Maybe he
    has direct deposit.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 philsgirl

    Guess I jinxed us even praising the bats thus far. If Hamels doesn’t show up tomorrow, not boding well.

  • Posts: 0 BurrGundy

    Moyer is no dummy. After all, he did negotiate that sugar-plum contract where he makes $8.5 million this year. After the game, he will initiate contact with Cholly Manuel and say” “Hell, Cholly, I was damn near perfect after the first inning. You gotta stand behind us guys, Cholly,”

    This will resonate in Cholly’s mind and he will virtually quote Moyer in the press conference. And, of course, Moyer will start another game.

  • Posts: 0 joe


    shut up.

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Living with Moyer on my baseball team is kinda like living with my mother-in-law in my house. You just can’t wait til they’re…not…anymore.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 joe

    moyer needs to go.

    they just had a bad game tonight. that’s it…
    it’s one loss. they weren’t going to go 160-2.

    some of you people need to F’N relax

  • Posts: 0 philsgirl

    Joe – what’d I say?

  • Posts: 0 Ben

    we dont’ really have a non-moyer option. pedro can’t make 15 starts this year, much less 25+. moyer settled in and gave us 6 innings, i dont’ think cole or KK has touched that yet.

    i’m not saying i’m thrilled with his performance, but he had one bad inning and otherwise pitched great.

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Ben, you just described all Jamie Moyer’s outings to a tee:

    “Moyer settled in and gave us six innings” (I can give you six innings, but I would suck, too). “He had one bad inning but otherwise pitched great”. (Whereas I might spread my runs over a few innings).

    More of the same, please.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 joe

    great…he went 6 innings.

    he also put the team in a 5 run hole before they got off the field.

    you cant ask them to score 8 runs every night

    philsgirl..youre acting like if cole doesnt pitch well, the team is in trouble…

    its freakin APRIL

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    The team IS in trouble if Cole doesn’t pitch well. Hows this for a rotation:

    Halladay, Blanton, Halladay, Happ, Halladay

  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Well at least the best offense in baseball didn’t get goose egged.

  • Posts: 0 joe

    Dipsy COME ON.

    IT’S APRIL..

    my god… relax.

    on another note… day game. lefty going for marlins… i gotta think Raul takes a seat for Benny Fran

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I don’t need to look at the calender when it comes to Jamie Moyer. He sucks 12 months out of the year. At least he’s cheap. No, wait…he costs a fortune. My bad.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 joe

    i’m with you on Moyer sucking.

    i just think it’s a little early to say they’re in trouble if Cole has an iffy outing

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Oh no. I thought someone meant if Cole didn’t pitch well this year. My bad again.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 BurrGundy

    All games are important. We should get hyper-stressed in April, because we have a whole season to worry. A game in April is just as valuable as a game in September. Getting stressed is part of the fun and the fabulous journey of Fandom.

  • Posts: 0 philsgirl

    Joe, only because KK is kinda a write-off and now we’ve seen Jamie against a contender in our own division. It seems like a few other people are concerned as well. Also, Cole is our #2 so you sort of hope *he* pitches well, and not just tomorrow…

    No, I don’t think we should have to score 8 runs every night, or even 6, that’s the point. Yeah, it’s April. We don’t have a lot of n’s to talk about. Early to fully extrapolate. But not early to be a little worried.

    To stave off further negativity, will withhold all planned Ibanez commentary.

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