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Odds and Ends: WaPo, HK, Cole

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, April 07, 2010 08:58 AM | Comments: 51
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-Yesterday, we extended some exciting news about PhilliesNation.com.  Today, we’re lucky enough to be in one of the largest newspapers in the world.  Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post wrote an article (you’ll probably need to sign up for the WaPo website to read it, which is free) about the influx of Phillies fans in D.C. on Opening Day.  Who did he interview? Our very own Brian Michael, who was able to secure a few hundred tickets without even a phone call to the Nationals. He gave a nice shout to Phillies Nation.

In a shocking bit of news, Kilgore finished off his piece with this two-paragraph stab at Phillies fans, which really had little to do with the crux of the article.

During pregame introductions at Nationals Park Monday, Phillies fans booed Nationals staff and players and chanted “Sucks!” after the public announcer bellowed each name.

“That was impressive,” Phillies right fielder Jayson Werth said. “It felt like all of right field was only Phillies fans. This kind of started to be our home away from home a little bit.”

He then makes Werth seem like he’s condoning the FEW Phillies fans who booed the Nats players and coaching staff. This ending really seems to come out of left field. I will say this: I’m growing tired of the small crew of Phils fans who make trouble for everyone.  The people who scream and yell at others, who launch obscenities into a family-friendly atmosphere – your bit is tired, give it up. I want to be seen as a passionate fan base, not as an A-hole fan base.

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-One year next week, our beloved voice, Harry Kalas, passed away in Washington D.C.

Hard to believe its been a year since HK was taken from us too soon. Everywhere you go in Philadelphia, his soul still lives on.  People talk about him as if he’s still with us.  You can often hear someone emulating his distinct home run calls, or attempting to at least. Frank Fitzpatrick of the Philadelphia Inquirer paints a portrait of HK’s final moments quite vividly in today’s paper.

At the end, there is a quote from Rob Brooks of the Phillies, one of the first people to see him unconscious in the booth, that really sends shivers. Brooks says:

I talked to [Kalas' son] Todd that evening, and we both came to the conclusion that had the efforts to revive him worked, he probably would have been angry because he would have been away from the yard for three or four months. That probably would have been unacceptable to him. For Harry, if you can’t do what you love, why be here?

If you can’t do what you love, why be here?  Truer words were never spoken.

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-Today is somewhat of a momentous occasion as Cole Hamels takes the mound for the first time in 2010.  He’ll certainly be looking to check his rear-view for any signs of 2009.  Hamels has worked diligently in the offseason to prepare for the challenge of finding his ’08 form.  That begins tonight at 7:05.

It would be foolish to expect anything similar to his 2008 playoff performance, but if he can strike a balance between ’08 and ’09, he might be on to something. He doesn’t have to be brilliant every time out, he just needs to be a steady number two.  We already have an ace, and we’ve seen what he can do.  Doc just needs a sidekick, and everyone is pulling for that to be Cole Hamels.

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  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Pat great piece!!

    I have for 17 of the last 22 years lived in Northern Virginia. I originally lived on the Main Line. I was born a Phillies/Eagles/Sixers/Flyers fan, I will die one. I can tell you I have been to a lot of sporting events away from Philly that involved one of those teams. I see the Philles, almost every game in Washington barring a conflict.

    The reputation of Philly sports fans are that of a out of a control screaming obscenities and more than anything booing fan.

    People in other places believe all the folk lore about booing Santa Claus and the fact that Mike Schmidt got booed etc. When I am in Philly I feel that Philly fans boo to basically show dispeasure with a performance or one of our own, usually. When you go to parks it seems like it is boo everything not Philly, it baffles me. I love baseball and I get frustrated with many of the teams we have had over the years but I express it towards my team not booing every player from the other team, let their fans do that.

    We have the best team from top to bottom on paper in the NL, If we want to be hard on the great but a guy like… Nyjer Morgan or Ryan Zimmerman really are not even on the radar of this team except when we play them so boo them and say they suck, just shows lack of respect for the comradirie of the game.

    Did you see JRoll give a nod to Pduge when he tagged him out at the plate… that is a great show of character and this team has great character. I want my kids cheering for this team for those reasons.

    Maybe we as Philly fans should take after their team and follow their lead. I am sure in Philly anarchy is in the midst since one of the best Athletes and people to ever play there was just traded to a hated rival, but lets all be Men and Women and not low lifes who do not know better. Be great when you lose but even greater when you win!

    Like you said it is a small group but it is a group none-the-less that are continuing this behavior and giving all of us that rep.

    Okay stepping down from my soap box,

    Good Piece Pat keep up the work!

     
  • Posts: 0 Gaze_NJ

    The bad apples are just a handful of liquored up high school and college kids. I’m a baseball fan, not just a Phillies fan so I can appreciate solid/spirited play by anyone out on the field. It’s really a shame that a handful of tailgaters ruin the baseball experience for so many and tarnish the reputation of a fan base that is largely well educated about the game.

     
  • Posts: 0 DAVE

    umm, harry kalas died on april 13, 2009.

    nice sentiment, and if the inquirer reported it then i guess its sort of on them, but this reminiscence is a week early

    in other news, check out viewfrombroad.wordpress.com on april 13th (next tues) when we throw a little piece up there about HK on the true anniversary

     
  • Posts: 0 Pat Gallen

    Dave you’re right. I blanked on today’s date, not the day he passed. Good look.

    It was meant more to accentuate the great piece written by Fitzpatrick. And way to throw your own in there a week in adavance.

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    I’ve got to step in here for just a second. While I don’t agree with cursing or other vulgarities at a place where children are going. One of the biggest advantages the team has had in recent years is the 10th man in the stands. That’s not just us cheering loud or waving the rally towels.

    I agree that if you use foul language, throw things, or start fighting in the stands you should be tossed right away. But let’s make sure we don’t weaken the fanbase because it upsets other people’s fans. It wasn’t 1 or 2 guys chanting”Beat LA” or “EVA!” at Longoria, (who went on to have a pretty pathetic world series). I was in centerfield for both parts of game 5. We were loud and taunting the rays players during batting practice. We never cursed, but Balfor sure did. (Could be coincedence but he didn’t go on to have a good game in part 2.)

    I’ve been a Phillies fan my whole life and when i’m in Centerfield and the opposing centerfielder’s last name is “Fowler” I’m going to be all over that guy. The bottom line is the national media is always going to rip Phillies fans no matter what we do, it was a Cubs fan who hit Victorino with a beer while the game was in play, but let’s not mention that. Why Should we change who we are because some guy in Washington, L.A. or New York didn’t like it? They aren’t suppossed to like it! That’s the point!

     
  • Posts: 0 Section138

    “it was a Cubs fan who hit Victorino with a beer while the game was in play, but let’s not mention that.”

    Umm.. yeah, let’s not mention that. Mostly because… you know… we’re talking about a Nats/Phillies game here. Context? Nah, not necessary.

    “the FEW Phillies fans who booed the Nats players and coaching staff”

    Dude… the entire outfield lower level was doing it. How do I know? Because my ears were attached to my head while I was sitting there. There was a guy directly behind me who was giddily talking about the “suck” thing during the *Phillies* intro. About how “awesome it was gonna be.” Far from few, my friend.

     
  • Posts: 0 Pat Gallen

    I didn’t say change who we are, that would be ridiculous. What I’m saying is, why do a certain few have to scream curse words, get drunk beyond belief and ruin the game for an entire section? I saw it happen on Monday. Now, it wasnt on as large a scale as everyone makes it out to be, but of course it happens.

    Some guy stood up after every at bat seeking out Nats fans pointing to his World Series shirt. Really? It’s the Nats, by the way. And last I checked we have 2 WS wins in 130 years of existence – not exactly a great ratio. Win, but be humble about it. Remember 7-10 years ago when the Phillies were awful? We were the Nats for a long time.

    I know this sort of thing happens everywhere, but here in Philly it does seem amplified a bit more. And me writing this won’t weaken the fanbase at all. Why does it have to be about bullying the opposition into the ground? One of our greatest weapons is our fanbase, theres no denying that. However, there’s no need for obscenity laden-tirades at a baseball game. There’s no place for fighting or provoking fights over a baseball game either.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Do you think National Park will be half full tonight without us?
    I will be watching tonight, albeit nervously I’ll confess.
    Was Cole bored and ready to begin6 the season his last few performances?
    I don’t even want to speculate (but I cannot resist) 6 (+) innings, 2 runs max, 6 K’s and maybe a walk.
    Keep the beer cold!

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    First of all the context is just citing an example that other fans do this too, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find an article written anywhere about another city’s fans. If you can’t see how that might be significant in a discussion about fan conduct… I dunno… try thinking about it for like a second or two?

    Second I never said it was just a few booing that’s the main article. The “sucks” chant is out of line at someone else’s part but booing is fair game dude.

     
  • Posts: 0 Pat Gallen

    138: I was in the 200 level and no one, at least in distance of what I could hear, did that. You could hear it, but it didn’t seem to be resonating from our area, which had plenty of Phils fans in it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    I hear ya Pat, but like I said if you curse or get physical I want that guy gone too.

    But so much of this game is mental. I want enemy players dreading playing against the Phils in CBP. If you can get the opposing player off their game… Why not do it?

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    If you only knew the power… of the dark side…

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I agree totally. Yell, scream, taunt. Basically, yes, try to be that “10th man in the stands. Try to INFLUENCE the game.

    But do it with dignity and class. Foul language, drunkeness and fighting at a sporting event is just flat-out disgraceful.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dude

    Apparently 97.3 is promoting “Bring your batteries day”
    Phillies Fans are encouraged to bring thier old and used up batteries to the game on April 30th vs the Mets.

    The station says this purely an event promoting “Going Green” and is not suggesting people throw batteries at the opposing players.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    It’s a multi-faceted problem… this team that was once the ugly stepchild of major league baseball has completely taken the baseball world by storm and there is a lot of pent up aggression still festering. This city, not known for winning and known more as a football city, is turning the corner towards becoming a baseball town. The in flux of new aggressive fans and the newly acquired sense of entitlement that comes with winning is a scary combination.

    There are a lot of people that are still learning how to be a fan of a successful team. To those people, I say, act like you’ve been there… there’s a line that should not be crossed and I can’t tell you where that line is but it’s somewhere between poking fun at anyone not wearing red pinstripes and saying sucks after every name called during the lineup announcements. We don’t like ignorant fans in our stands and I think it’s ok to let them know which team is the home team but don’t be a tough guy… don’t cross the line… don’t force someone else to respect you; earn it by being showing some class.

    I encourage everyone to remember that, for over 200 years, baseball has been as much about life as it has been about sport… we reach for baseball when times are tough and it serves as a time of fellowship when times are good. The hope that endures a long 162 game season, the smells, the sounds… all of those things make it special. When you act disrespectful, you ruin the experience for someone else. Baseball and football are completely different animals… the way you root during a baseball game is different than the way you root during a football game and the attitude and level of respect that you should bring to a ballpark should reflect the tradition of the game and the game itself. There is too much heritage and tradition in baseball to act like buffoons.

    Look, I’m not saying that we have to be “soft” but the season is a marathon… sure, every game is important but it’s not a 16 game season and we’re surely going to drop a few before a champion is crowned. Remember what it’s like to be on the losing end… be a dignified winner and a gracious loser.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    I was sitting maybe 10 rows down from the people that were doing that — it was about an entire section of Phillies fans that all looked pretty hammered, probably part of a group trip or something. They were relentless, even booing and doing the “sucks” chant for random Nationals support staff who probably get to stand on the field once a year. It was really embarrassing, especially as somebody who lives in DC and has to go to this ballpark on a regular basis and hope nobody pre-judges me based on team allegiance. Classless horseshit.

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    How dare you bring a well thoughout proposal and position onto the internet Chuck P! It has no place here!

    You make some fair points though, I just don’t want the fans to clean up to the point of blandness. Razzing the enemy is part of it for me. I wouldn’t be sad to see the end of the sucks chant though.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Original Chuck P….

    I agree that football and baseball are different. Still, drunkeness and fighting and loud cursing shouldn’t be present at an Eagles game, either. It’s just totally unnecessary.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gaze_NJ

    The “sucks” chant simply isn’t clever.
    Jokes about Brett Gardner mowing your lawn at least have a little originality to them. I’m all for razzing the enemy, but I’ve heard way too many crude comments and threats coming from the stands the last three years. As a matter of fact, I’ve once told my wife that we can’t start having kids until the Phillies start losing again that way we don’t have to worry about what they hear in the stands.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bobby D

    I love the phils and enjoyed the experience of going to the game on monday, but lets face it – there were whole busloads of drunk, sunburnt assholes from delco or the northeast or south philly or south jersey or wherever the hell they’re from who really know how to ruin just about anything. i witnessed a group of 4 jackasses yell at a stadium worker about how zimmerman sucks and then tell him that, “we pay your salary, you should be happy we’re here”. i wish that i had stepped in and told them to shut the hell up, but they probably would have just beeaten me to death. the bad apples are numerous enough to justify the philly fan’s reputations.
    anyway, go phils.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I wholeheartedly agree with your comments, Pat.

    I’m going to the game tonight… and I hope that with the Opening Day hoopla out of the way, hopefully there will better behavior from us phans.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Pat I agree with you but the problem is that it isn’t just a few who are acting like a$$holes. Though it might be the minority in terms of overall Phillies fan’s it’s still enough to make a difference.

    49 people out of 100 is a minority but that is still enough to make some noise.

    It disgusts me to go to games or hear on tv some of the things I can hear being chanted by fans during games. I refuse to join in on the “sucks” chants, or the curse words that are thrown around like it’s ok. Last year during the playoffs some of the chants I heard during the World Series was sickening to me. I actually called my father after one of the games to talk about it and as much as I would like to say that the rap Philadelphia sports fan’s get is unfair, it’s not. It is 100% justified. It just sucks for those who don’t partake in these things to be lumped in as though its guilty by association.

    And make no mistake, not everyone chanting sucks or cursing is a drunken fool. I have seen people perfectly sober do it as well.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    I sit 6 rows back in left field… the players hear you when you’re that close… I make sure that they get an earful. I’ve been acknowledged a few times… in a game against the Astros, we got on Carlos Lee pretty good early in the game and sure enough, he hits a home run in his first AB and comes back out with a pretty big grin on his face looking my way… almost like, “Yeah, I hear you.” We also got on some rookie pretty good last year after he misplayed a flyball… he did everything he could to not acknowledge us… that’s when you know you’re in someone’s head.

    As far as fan interaction; there was a Dodgers fan that all but announced that he was going to be a problem. Coming down the aisle, he was chirping… well, he happened to be wearing a lovely set of Dodger beads around his neck so I kindly pointed out that they were some nice beads… that opened pandora’s box. The entire section starts harassing the kid and as advertised, he doesn’t back down. Stands up, starts f bombing whoever is within earshot and within seconds, was kindly escorted away from our section…

     
  • Posts: 0 Robbie

    I have to chuckle everytime the “Sucks” chant starts…It wouldn’t be a Philly Venue if we didn’t shout “Sucks”…It’s the only time my 9 year old is allowed to say it…..Ok, so kill me – I love being a Phan – I agree the drunken outrageous behavior is awful, but that happens everywhere – not just here in Philly, come on now give us a break – at least we are more behaved than the Eagles fans – and I’ve never met a person wearing a Phillies jersey that I didn’t like ♥

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Wow! Check out those legs!

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillygirl17

    I was at that game too. I was in the lower infield and it was laden with Phillies’ fans. I love the atmosphere that Phils’ fans bring with them everywhere they go, but a small handful do go over the line. Chanting Nationals Sucks everytime is insane. They are horrible, but so were we for way too long. I’m 28 years old and I’m pretty sure that there has only been about 8 winning seasons in my life. I remember what its like to be rooting for a team that you know is going to lose. At least Philly had history and loyalty on its side. DC doesn’t. I live in DC now. It is one of the most transient areas in the entire country. People don’t stay here long, so they don’t have any kind of fan base.

    Ryan Zimmerman is a talented player. He reminds me a lot of Scott Rolen of the late 90′s. Way to good of a player for such a subpar team. Booing, heckling, things like that, go for it. It is a measure of respect for most of the players. Cursing and throwing things, keep away.

     
  • Posts: 0 derekcarstairs

    I don’t believe that Hamels reached his peak performance level in 2008. Over the next 10 years, I think he will have several seasons better than his ’08 season. He will be a legitimate ace.

     
  • Posts: 0 Sherry W

    I disagree. I think it’s perfectly fine to boo at the opposing team, chant “…sucks” at the lineup, etc. It’s not a Philly thing. It happens all over the place where there are passionate fans. Last year at CBP, a horde of Sox Nation types plastered in full team gear and face makeup were booing our guys. It’s baseball- we are not going to sit and drink tea and go “tut tut, good show old chaps” and golf clap the other guys. What next, ban the Phanatic’s antics crushing helmets, his whammy hands at batters?

    I am *not* promoting drunk and disorderly conduct, throwing things like mustard packets, taunting children, fan on fan fights, extremely obscene language, etc. But chanting “sucks” at the lineup? Oh good grief the Gnats guys can take some childish fan taunting, I’m sure.

    Now, a friend of mine took the Phillies sponsored bus trip Monday, and said it the ‘fans’ were a bunch of knuckle dragging drunken meatheads. It was a mobile tailgate. They were nasty to the bus driver, making racial comments and “jokes”, and getting angry because the tour bus was waiting for some stragglers. I’ll be sure to never go on one of the sponsored outings after hearing that.

     
  • Posts: 0 erik

    Ok, so people who curse are ignorant, classless, or buffoons. I was at the ws celebration, and chase evoked the loudest response with his world phucking champions comment. Let’s start chastising him. Um no! Your at a sporting event, not church, get over it

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    It’s not church. I have no problem with people who are going to catch a buzz, and even drop an occassional f-bomb. I do take issue with those who feel entitled to be idiots since they are paying $xxx. Getting hammered, spewing constant curses, … it just get old, adn it keeps families away.

    You can be a fan of football and never attend a game. Baseball fans are grown by going to the park as a kid, enjoying the atmosphere as much as the game itself. Toss back a few beers, get rowdy, have fun, but if you wouldn’t do it in front of your boss, mother, or kids, don’t do it at the stadium.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    What Chase Utley said….and how he said it….is COMPLETELY different than the drunken (and some not drunken) barrage of four letter words constantly coming from some of the fans at the game.

    Chase may have crossed the line ….but what he said was funny…and will forever be a part of Phillies….and Philadelphia, the city….lore.

    The constant cursing at ballgames is not.

     
  • Posts: 0 erik

    Let’s see, do kids look up to fans around them, or the best second baseman in the game. Do fans have a microphone for an entire stadium, not to mention regional tv coverage, to hear them. Noooo. So since utley prob had more kids hear him drop the dreaded f bomb than any fan ever in the history of the sport, kick him off the team

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Dude, relax.

    What I’m saying is that many, many fans CONSTANTLY shout ridiculous obscenities throughout the entire ball game. And stuff is said that is mean-spirited and disgusting.

    What Chase said was heard, no doubt, by everybody. Of course. But it was said with such humor and with no malice whatsoever. That’s what made it funny. The timing was perfect. It was one time. If the Phils win another title, Utley probably won’t say it again. It just won’t have the same effect.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    For the record I think the response Chase got had more to do with who he is and how unexpected it was to come from him than the words themselves.

    But you have to understand something, people bring their kids to games so they can enjoy it, not so they can subject their kids to abusive and abrasive language. You can make the argument, oh this is not church it’s a baseball game but that doesn’t make it any less wrong. People should not have to take their kids to a baseball game and hope that some drunken fool doesn’t say something over the top that their kids might hear. And to respond that if a parent is really worried then they should not take their kids to a game is just ridiculous.

    I am 26, I am married and don’t have kids but I really hope that one day, if I do, I won’t have to worry about what someone with too many drinks, or someone who isn’t drunk but is just classless will say around my kid. Going to baseball games with my father was and still is one of my most favorite things to do and I hope to be able to do it when I get old and gray.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I hear you, Ed. My son is 12, almost 13, and we go to a lot of games together. Being a middle-schooler, he’s heard lots of stuff. That’s normal. And I’m no prude. But I really hate it when we’re at a game and some idiot or a bunch of idiots start talking and acting like fools. Some fans can be funny and add to experience of being at the ballpark. But some are just WAY over the top.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I hear you, bfo33. There’s a big difference between dropping an occasional f-bomb (which I DO when the situation demands it haha) and cursing all 9 innings, throwing stuff, looking for fights with others, and just acting foolishly.

    It’s not church, but you still want to keep some level of civility.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kevin

    This is a really great shout out to the Phillies fans who tend to ruin games because of their behavior. I was at a game in 2008 where the Phils won 20-5, and in the middle of the game, with an enormous lead no less, a fight breaks out…between two Phils fans. It’s one thing to be cursing at something bad, but just go to be passionate fans like we are. I go for the game, and out of pure love of the game, don’t stress the result too much. But, there are people who can ruin it. Luckily I haven’t sat too close to those people, so I’m always able to enjoy the game, but this should be a wakeup call for people like that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gaze_NJ

    I still find it hard to believe that some nationals executives believe there were more Red Sox fans in attendance over the weekend than there were Phils fans on Monday. How is that even possible?

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    I agree with a lot of what you all say, but problem is that the bad by the few Philly fans over the years has been stereotyped and over exagerated and sadly we all have to have that rep thrown in our faces, but many make it hard to forget about it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Sherry W

    I do think a ballpark should be a place you can bring a kid, but I also think parents need to make sure the kid can deal with some of what they will hear.

    I do not cuss at games and I don’t get drunk. However, last year during a bad play I exclaimed “Oh Sh*t!” It just slipped out. I got a serious skunk eye from the parent a row in front of me.

    Safe for kids, OK, but it’s not Disney world either.

     
  • Posts: 0 Sherry W

    I do think a ballpark should be a place you can bring a kid, but I also think parents need to make sure the kid can deal with some of what they will hear.

    I do not cuss at games and I don’t get drunk. However, last year during a bad play I exclaimed “Oh Sh*t!” It just slipped out. I got a serious skunk eye from the parent a row in front of me.

    Safe for kids, OK, but it’s not Disney world either. Avoid college night, dollar dogs, and big games with the kids if you want them to hear stuff. It seems to be when the drunks come out. Day games/businessman’s specials are pretty chill.

    Security is pretty responsive to the drunks.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    I don’t really care about cursing or any of that as long as it’s not ridiculous. I have a pretty foul mouth myself. But the drunken obnoxious assholes in the right field section behind me drove me nuts, chanting “sucks” after every name and booing the whole roster. The Nationals are a bad team, the Phillies are way better, this is obvious. It’s still their opening day and they still get excited for it, how hard is it to act like an adult and respect that?

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith E

    @Pat Gallen
    Your quote- “I’m growing tired of the small crew of Phils fans who make trouble for everyone. The people who scream and yell at others, who launch obscenities into a family-friendly atmosphere – your bit is tired, give it up. I want to be seen as a passionate fan base, not as an A-hole fan base.”
    I couldn’t agree more. We heard jack asses booing Zimmerman! Makes no sense to me. Saw 2 guys in Phils jerseys damn near get into a fight, with each other! Saw a Phils fan in handcuffs after the game. Way to represent our team.
    GO PHILS!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Pat Gallen

    Keith, it’s ridiculous that Zimmerman would get booed. If anything you should cheer the guy and hope he’s a Phillie in a few years. The guy is great and is buried with a bad team.

    Phylan, I too have an awful mouth, but i know when to use it and when not to. And just because you’re drunk doesn’t mean you need to start throwing F-bombs around. Or starting fights…or anything of the sort.

    It’s time to grow up.

     
  • Posts: 0 Pat Gallen

    Phylan: I was actually agreeing with you there –I read that and it looks like I’m not .

     
  • Posts: 0 Chrissy

    Regarding the article and how Jason Werth’s comment was construed- apparently several people questioned it, because I read this on the Post’s website from the author, Adam Kilgore:

    “One very quick clarification: In the story I wrote for today’s paper, I ended with a quote from Werth. A few people wondered if he was talking about the fans jeering Nationals or about the crowd in general. Werth was talking about the crowd in general, and it is obvious how it could be misconstrued that he was talking specifically about the jeering. It was unintentional, but I should have been more careful with the quote and the context.”

    BTW- I went on the trip- and had an incredible time. Thank you!

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    In my mind the part that is really sad is that there are people who actually take pride in this obnoxious behavior. Because Philly fans are alleged jerks, some seem to feel entitled to drunken excess, or just plain rude behavior. In fact, I would suggest that a lot of people use ‘fandom’ as an excuse for binge drinking and adolescent behavior. It’s just flat-out pathetic that Philly leads the league in such instances, justified or not.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    Yeah I figured it out Pat, np

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    DOES Philly lead the league in this type of behavior?……or is it just perceived that way?

    There are plenty of a$$es in other sports towns, too. Boston, New York come to mind.

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    That’s the point Chuck, perception is everything. If one were to create a survey asking about rude fan behavior, my guess is that Philly would be the most common answer given regardless of ‘fairness’ or reality. That’s the sad part, there are some that seem to revel in such notoriety. Being a fan is one thing, being a poor sport is another. Enjoy the competition for what it is, because without it, what would we ever have to cheer about? Booing the Nats is like booing the most retarded kid in the special olympics!

     
 
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