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Phillies Bullpen Can’t Hold Lead for Kendrick

Posted by Nick "Beerman" Staskin, Tue, April 20, 2010 10:35 PM | Comments: 111
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Stop me if you’ve heard this one last year.

The Phillies took a 3-0 lead into the eighth inning, but a win was not in store as the bullpen wasted a great performance from the starting pitching and sent the Phillies to a heart-breaking 4-3 loss.

Kyle Kendrick pitched like somebody who had read that their job was in question. After a couple of terrible starts to start the season, Kendrick pitched 8 innings of shutout baseball that included a mere four hits and two walks to go along with a pair of strikeouts, but his night would not finish with a W.

However, Ryan Madson gave people one more thing to talk about. After recording two outs in the ninth, Madson gave up back-to-back home runs to Troy Glaus and rookie slugger, Jason Heyward that tied the game and sent it into extra innings.

With the first batter in the bottom of the 10th inning, Jose Contreras delivered a pitch on a 2-2 count that Nate McLouth dropped right into the right field seats, giving the Braves a 4-3 win, and sending the Phillies to their third straight loss.

The bullpen took the attention off of Kendrick’s great start, allowing three of the final five batters to leave the yard.

The sinker was working in Kendrick’s favor as he was able to put together 14 groundballs. None were bigger than an inning-ending double-play ball off the bat of Troy Glaus that ended the Braves lone threat in the game. With the bases loaded in the fourth, Kendrick got Glaus to send one over to Placido Polanco who quickly turned the 5-4-3 and kept the Braves off the scoreboard for the time being.

On the offensive side of the game, the Phillies bats didn’t do much, but it seemed as if they had down enough after eight innings. Chase Utley put together a 2-5 evening with a pair of RBIs and a run scored. Utley’s run came off an infield single that Ryan Howard managed to push through the infield shift as the ball went off of the glove of Troy Glaus. Polanco also managed to put together another two-hit effort as he saw his batting average rise over .400 again. The only Phillie who didn’t get a hit was Carlos Ruiz, who went 0-4.

Hopefully Roy Halladay can stop the bleeding tomorrow night as all of a sudden the Phillies have dropped three straight and four of their last five games.

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  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Sometimes I almost wish we still had Larry Bowa here in some capacity, if only to chew out certain people when they really deserve it. The past 2 games would have fit that bill…

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    Has anyone actually looked at Madson’s 2009 numbers outside of the saves column? He had a fantastic season and nobody credits him for it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Larry Bowa is a great baseball man. And he made his mark here in Philly. But, sadly, his act became old and it wore out its welcome here. I trust Charlie will do what is necessary to deal with his players as he sees fit. It’s worked pretty well so far.

     
  • Posts: 0 WFC010

    Fantastic season as a setup man you mean, not as a closer.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Absolutely. The Phillies were very smart to lock him up when they did. In this day and age of bullpen guys that come and go, Madson has actually been very consistent. This is a young season and he will be fine in the right capacity.

     
  • Posts: 0 MikeB.

    Some of the players would not take too well to Bowa as was the case with Biurrell and Rolen.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    To say Contreras is “not ready for those relief situations” is quite a bit premature. Tonight’s home run was the first run of any kind he’s even given up this year. It’s Madson who was the real downer here, and he’s a temporary solution, although so far, not a good one.

    Let’s hope Lidge comes back strong, because there is no way the Phils can afford Bell or Cordero.

    Last year the team still took the NL pennant, even with 25 blown saves. Not many teams can do that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    The fact is that all relief pitchers mess up sometimes. Contreras has been dominant this year until tonight. Stuff like this happens. I would have no problem putting him out there again in the exact situation. He’s a professional and knows how to make the necessary adjustments.

    Madson pissed me off tonight. But I still really love what the guy brings to this team. We need him and I believe he will win more games for us than he will lose.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Madson is, in fact, usually a good reliever, but he always makes me extremely nervous, even as a set-up man. He seems too predictible at times. Even the best stuff can be hit if the batter is expecting it.

    Right now, though, there’s something totally wrong. His pitching like the ’09 Lidge, who had health problems. He’s given up runs this year in both save and non-save situations. Right now he’d be bad in middle relief, let alone set-up or closing.

    He’s a much needed pitcher. I hope he’s healthy, and he figures things out soon.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheRobSpecial

    The Phils bullpen is just flat out bad. Not mediocre, certainly not good, just plain bad. They were stellar against the 2 worst teams in the NL, but they’re the worst teams in the NL. Against legitmate competition in close games, the Phils bullpen is among the worst in baseball. I’m not worried about the starters, and the lineup will wake up eventually. But the bullpen is not improving any time soon. If we’re not up by 5 or more runs in the 9th, we’re in trouble.

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Please don’t compare Ryan Howard to Don Won McNugget. Howard had an rbi single, just missed an 2out rbi double on a screamer that was caught by Glaus and he came with in 3 feet of a 3hr that would’ve iced the game. A someone said, Ryan does tip his pitches as a closer. The reason? Ryan Madson is lot more delibrate with his throwing motion and body language when he’s on the mound in the 9th going for the save. Opps know what’s coming. Sometimes even before Madson does because his pitch pattern is so predictable. This obviously concludes that he does not have the mental make-up to be a closer. No matter what he or Cholly says. I went to the 1st game of a DH against the Mets late last season. I forget the entire sequence. But Phils were up one in the 9th and David Wright was at the plate with one on or something. Ryan’s fast was smaked around in the app he had before that one. He must of tipped his pitch because on the 1st pitch, change up, Wright hit a moon shot to give the Mets the lead and the eventual win. Madson also is a little arrogant in save situations. It may be why he gives up so many 2 out bombs. Tonite it looked as though he stop pitching after he got the 1st 2 outs. Like this game over and I am going to finish this last guy off by blowing fbs by them. We all know that in today’s MLB everyone can hit the fastball. Especially fbs with no movement. He was squeezed a little by the ump when C. Jones was up. But its still no excuse to throw fbs right down the middle.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jim

    Hate to be picky here but I have to point out how hard it must have been for Polanco to turn the “6-4-3 Double Play,” unless he was playing shortstop tonight.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Where I’m at, I pick up the Braves broadcast. Don Sutton was announcing. He predicted Madson would throw a changeup as his “out pitch” to Heyward. Madson did, and the out-pitch indeed went out–of the park. If Sutton predicted the pitch, someone else probably did, too. Heyward was no doubt told to “look for the change-up.”

    I wonder if teams listen to some of the announcer’s comments. If they don’t, they should.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    I noticed that Polanco 6-4-3 double play, myself. I chose not to point it out because I needed that small laugher on a not very laughable night.

     
  • Posts: 0 fightinphils

    Phisgirl am i going to have to read your bitchy comments all season? We are going to lose at least 60 more games this year just like every year before. Ironically this is one of the best startes we have had in over 15 years. I kinda figured our offense would take a dip after starting on such a ridiculos tear. As for our pitching, we still have Lidge, Romero, and Blanton on the DL.

     
  • Posts: 0 maxhole

    phisgirl huh? now i’m thirsty.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    Madson’s fastball does not have “no movement,” it actually has above average movement in the horizontal plane. In 2009 it broke in on right-handed hitters an average of 7 1/2 inches.

     
  • Posts: 0 jeff

    The bottom line..up by three in the ninth you must win……

     
  • Posts: 0 Phylan

    But, sometimes, you won’t. That’s baseball.

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    I’m not going to speak for philsgirl. But it’s not about the loss. It’s about the type of loss. From 2007 thru 2009 the glaring and deciding diff between the Phillies vs the Braves/Fish/Mets was the BP and fundamentals. In 2008 this team was an amazing 79-0 when leading after 8 inns. Last yr the same BP numbers in that category were horrendous. No one expected the same numbers from 2008 this season, but you can’t keep throwing games away. Lidge seems to a great closer every other season. And he did begin 2008 on the DL. If that pattern continues the Phillies bp will be alright. The Phils got back to the series in’09 despite the shaky pen. But so far in’10 the Braves and Mets are better and the Nats are becoming less of a push over. No way the NL East, and the rest of the NL for that matter, will allow the Phillies to get away with a wildly inconsis. bp again.

     
  • Posts: 0 fightinphils

    my bad! big fingers and small keys on the blackberry. We are still going to have the best line-up in the National League this season. We just need to get our pitchers back

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    I never said that Madson doesn’t have any movement on his fasballs. Just not all of them. If you go back and take a look at the pitches he threw tonite you’ll notice that to the 1st two batters Madson was “pitching.” On the 2run hr Madson threw a straight fastball right down the middle. That was mentally lazy and arrogant. And of course the pitch Heyward hit was a change up that the whole free world knew was coming because Madson tips his pitches.

     
  • Posts: 0 jt

    ole cholly still trying to use madson closing…madson is not a closer and never will be time to give it up and give someone else a chance.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian Sr. of CO

    Not like I think the Nats are a very good team at all, but I dont think they are the worst in the league anymore. I believe they are .500 now, alot of that because of us. Excluding playing us, they have winning record. And Im not sure I would say the Mets are better. As for Madsons #’s. Flat out, he is NOT a closer. His numbers ARE better as a set up man. Excluding his numbers as a closer, I dont know that Madsons numbers were that much better in ’08, his closer numbers make it look that way definately. I dont recall Madson blowing any “hold” opps, just Saves. May be wrong though. The MAIN problem last season was closing. We had over 15 blown saves. I dont recall blowing many holds though. A few I’m sure, but not many. If this is the worst loss people have seen in Philadelphia, you either havent been watching long, and are a new fan, or you forgot. We all said every blown save (at least one against the Braves last year) was horrible, and look how it turned out. I hope the team doesnt give up like most fans have.

     
  • Posts: 0 jt

    can’t afford to blow these games either like lidge and madson did last year either the braves,marlins and even the nats are better.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    This is why you can’t judge a team on games played against Washington & Houston.

     
  • Posts: 0 glutenous

    Relax guys. We knew that having rollins out of the lineup would hurt us offensively and it really has. That’s why we shoukd just be glad is april and not september.rollins, blanton, lidge, and romero will be back soon enough and we’ll be fine. Also remember that we never really have a strong april. Last year we were but a few games over 500 at the end of april if I’m not mistken. Everything will be okay.

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    Repeat! I agree that they should have won. And I was pissed that they lost. Of course the bullpen must be better.

    But it’s one game. And there’s something kind of comforting about this team struggling a little in April. They do this every year!

    It’s OK to be pissed that they lost. It’s OK to vent a little.

    What I can’t stand is the people who come on this site after a loss and trash the team and trash our star players. The people who do that–who can’t deal with a simple three-game losing streak are a bunch of spoiled front-runners who don’t deserve the kind of team we have.

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    for the mets i was reff to the historical amount of injuries they had in 2009. Buy default the Mets will be better in 2010 when plauers begin to rtn from the DL i.e. Jose Reyes.

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    What u talk’n ’bout Cowboy?? Who said losing three in a row is reason to panic?? I didn’t even think of the Phils as being on a “losing streak” until u just mentioned it. After the loss on Sunday I wrote on here that the Phillies “won” today despite the L becuase of how well Cole Hamels pitched. Maybe you should do a little more research before open up your big fat country mouth. I used to listen to Phillies games on the radio even when the game was out west and they were 30 games back when I was ten. I’v e gone to Phils spring games in Clearwater, including in 1994 when they played the Blue Jays (yes Joe Carter played that day and I booed him)at their old site while playing in baseball tourms in FL in highschool. I worked at the Vet during College Summers to just be around the Philllies. The job paid 5/hr to sweep up wets peanut shells and sometimes rats/birds from 5 am until 2pm because they allowed us to stay and go to the games for free. I used to vol to other jobs becuase I enjoyed being at the park. This was 1996, after the strike and the team was garbage. By the end of the sunner I got to vac the red carpet that went from the warning track to behind homeplate while the players were warming up on the field just before batting practice. This site is to talk about baseball. In particular, the Phillies chances of another parade. They BP problems big time. That is a fact. A comeback win tonite, if we had gotten it, does not fix the problem. If you want diehard Phillies fans to be robots and pretend this BP may cause us to miss the post season in what has become a very strong NL East then maybe you should go to another site. My 1st game was when I was at 7 in 1985/1986. I ‘ll never forget seeing #20 in person for the 1st time. He hit a hr and a double against Dale Murphy and the Atlanta Braves. It was the one and only time I got to see him play. From that day on I was hooked. Don’t question my loyalty to favorite team. I’m a Phillies fan for life no matter what.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Y.

    Madson is soooooooo shot. Clean house in the bull pen, they all suck.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Yes, it’s only 1 loss in a long season, but the fact remains that our pitching has issues….starting and relieving. Oh, and the biggest issue is that we STILL have no closer. Madson is not the answer people. I hope I”m wrong about Lidge, but I don’t think he will help us either. Our supposed juggernaut of a lineup hasn’t shown me anything except that they can beat up AAA pitching. Call me negative if you will, but I’d like to think I’m being realistic.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Tough loss… I said heading into this week that it important that we not waste good pitching performances and that’s exactly what we did. The danger here is that this team could start feeling sorry for themselves… on one hand, Kyle Kendrick looked great and that has to be a shot in the arm for this team (a little less anxiety about whether they’ll be able to get by until Joe the Pitcher gets back). On the other hand, they wasted a tremendous performance and that stings.

    Madson is not a closer but we all knew that. He’s the best option that we’ve got but there are going to be days where he just can’t put it together. He didn’t seem to have his good changeup last night and he might have been overthrowing his fastball. In any event, he’s going to blow a few saves…

    Every Phillies starter had a hit… they played good baseball, for the most part, Kendrick was superb and it’s a shame that the story ends up being about the demise of Ryan Madson. The Braves sluggers were up to the challenge in the 9th… the ball that Heyward deposited into the seats is a ball that you’re not supposed to be able to pull for a homerun… low and away with him reaching… but he did. Gotta give them some credit.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    This is what happens when football fans become baseball fans – panic over one loss. It’s too bad that KK didn’t get a W for a nice performance, but this was not a tragic loss. If the Phils can go 5-4 on this road trip, it will be a success.

    They did what they should do in the first game of a series – starter went long, got into the Braves pen early. 9 hits (and quite a few hard hit balls right at people) will more often than not translate into 4-6 runs and a win. Utley and PP still getting on base, Howard’s swing looks good.

    Heyward is a monster – going to be quite a player. I have my doubts on how long the Braves can keep it going – I’d be surprised if they have the same line-up in Aug. If Chipper and Glaus make it that long, their range will be about as good as mine (which isn’t much). What are the chances that Wagner stays healthy and doesn’t blow up the clubhouse?

    I don’t know why Madson’s stuff is unhittable in the 8th, not so much in the 9th. I know Charlie likes to establish roles in the bullpen, but think it may make more sense to go by situation until Lidge gets back. Doc tonight vs Hudson – should be a good one. Go Phils.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Hey, the Nats stink. I know this of Ryan Madson: I’ve seen poor closing from him last season and so far this season. Does that make him a poor closer? Uh…. God hope Lidge can come back and do it, like right this second, but history tells us that guys like him don’t make it all the way back. So…..if we extrapolate a bit, we made need a closer. And as I’ve said, no clowning around please. Bite the bullet and get him. Odd as it seems, after watching the Bravos last night, they scare me a little less. I think they suck defensively (despite McCann nailing Werth). Lots of time left. No reason to panic. Yet.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    No bfo…this is what happens when idiots have children.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    Was it disappointing? Yes. The end of the world – No. If you expect to win every game you will have an unhappy life.
    The issue with Madson last night was location. Even with the two outs he was missing his spots on every second pitch. It was not the change-up it was that the ball was 18 inches closer to the middle of the plate that did him in.
    Contreras has done well so far this year. One homer does not disqualify him.
    Tough loss but I would rather take a good start from Kendrick then win 10-8. KKs good start bodes well for the rest of the season. He was agressive which is the key – he will get hit but most will be grounders.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Madson shouldn’t have even been in the game. Kendrick was cruising. This whole obsession with pitch counts is maddening. Oh my gosh, he threw over 100 pitches, quick get him out of there before his arm falls off!

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    While we can all say it was a tough loss – and it was – and thats its early in the season – and it is – we are seeing a growing body of work that indicates that Madson is not good at closing out games. And that is not good.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith E

    Look outside. The sun came up and there is another game scheduled for tonight. Charlie has always said “We are a warm weather team”. I believe him. This team needs only to keep 1st place in site through the end of May.
    GO PHILS!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Doesn’t matter if Kendrirck’s pitch count was up and time for another pitcher or whether he should have been left in. The point is ….up 3 runs in the 9th……you have to win that game. But, sometimes, you don’t. And that’s the game of baseball.

    Got to look at the positives:

    1) Kendrick was awesome. He basically shut the team down. That’s TWICE in the space of 4 days that Atlanta’s bats went cold (no-hitter on Sat vs COL)

    2) Offense seems to be waking up a little. Good situational baseball to get that third run. And great job by the hitters to work counts and make Hanson throe a lot of pitches.

    3) Good defense tonight. Polly is doing just fine at third.

     
  • Posts: 0 neil

    fake ass fans watching baseball for the first time during the regular season—- for all you fair weather first time fans, this isnt football and losses (especially in clusters) are normal. Every bullpen blows safe situations, every starter will get roughed up, every batting lineup goes cold.

    In fact I’m one of the few who is more happy about the last two games. Cole and Kyle got a grip and expressed confidence and composure. The long-term value gained of those guys showing potential outweighs those two losses out of the whole season. (Note to all you front-runners, cole, kyle, and halladay will have bad games at some points, so please refrain from booing until the end of the season)

    Not too worried about the bullpen— it is short handed and we can only make a true eval after its back to full strength. Def not worried about the bats, they’l come around.

     
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  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Guys, Madson can’t get it done in the 9th inning. Up 3-0 and A 5 pitch walk. Cardinal sin. Only like 149 games left to go.

    FLYERS ROCK!

     
  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Ryan Madson can not close. He is a good pitcher, with good stuff, but he can not pitch the 9th. Maybe later in his career, he will be able to do it. But he simply does not have the mental make-up to be a closer.

    A loss like last night’s might be the kick in the pants this team needs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Hot dogs

    I think charlie made the right move taking kendrick out in the ninth, the braves were not getting hits but they were hitting the ball hard. I was at the game sunday saw cole pitch great and watched the offense do nothing as we were leaving I said to my wife it would be nice to see the phillies close a game out the way the marlins did 1 2 3 bottom of the ninth with 2 strikeouts. I am not panicking yet this team is just not a good frontrunner they need to have their backs against a wall.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    wow, Madson seems at his worst with two outs recorded especially when closing but wow… Some of you should just be ashamed and should spend less time logging on to Phillies Nation home of real Phillies fans and more time tuning into WIP.

     
  • Posts: 0 steve

    I can’t take these comments anymore. I think it’s time to switch to crashburn alley. Much better analysis, way fewer suicidal fans in APRIL

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    This reminds me of that game last year against the Orioles. The one where a sick Ryan Howard comes off the bench with a high fever and crushes a 3 run shot to give the Phils a late lead….only to see Madson give up dingers to Gregg Zaun and Brian Roberts in the 9th. The Roberts HR was with 2 outs also.

    My son and I were at that game. We rode home (almost an hour with traffic) in dead silence.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chase

    Last night, before one out was recorded I IM’d my friend and said, “Madson makes me nervous.” He said, “Nervous, who else would you want in there?” I ignored him over and over, and he asked that question 5 times. I finally said, “nobody”. That’s because the Phillies have no choice but to keep bring Madson out there in those close games. Before I knew it the game was tied.

     
 
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