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Dickey, Mets Offense Fluster the Phillies

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, May 25, 2010 10:28 PM | Comments: 55
2010 Game Recaps, Posts

It tumbles, it’s erratic, it’s unpredictable. It’s hard to hit, and the Phillies are making it a well-known fact.  Facing a knuckleball pitcher for the second straight game, the Phils were unable to cross the plate as R.A. Dickey shut them down in the Mets 8-0 win.

Jamie Moyer was not sharp in his five innings of work as he allowed four earned runs by way of seven hits and two walks – he did not strike out a batter. Prior to this latest outing, Moyer had pitched six innings or more in every start this season. Normally efficient, tonight was not his night. He threw just 59 strikes in 104 pitches, although Tim McCleland’s strike zone did seem slighty thin.

The Mets never really rocked Moyer, they just slowly gouged him throughout the evening. Single runs were scored by New York in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th innings off of the Phillies starter. They added another single run in the 6th when David Herndon entered.  In the 8th, three insurance runs were added as the Mets slammed ex-teammate Nelson Figueroa. Jose Reyes was a beast on the basepaths, swiping two bags and adding a triple to his stat line.  On the other side, the Phils offense was yet again silent against a knuckleballer.

The bases are beginning to resemble small islands where the Phils have become stranded. They need a life preserver, ASAP. R.A. Dickey, one of the few pitchers around who still throws a knuckleball, stifled the Phillies bats through seven innings. Dickey would allow seven hits and three walks, with just one of the hits being of the extra-base variety. Even a line drive to the arm off the bat of Ryan Howard couldn’t stop the knuckler from tumbling.  Raul Valdes made the lefties in the lineup look ridiculous as he came on for a three inning save.

All told, the Phils left 13 runners on the sacks.  Add that to the seven runners left behind against  Tim Wakefield and the Red Sox, and it has to be a frustrating time in the clubhouse.

Those struggling include Carlos Ruiz (one for his last 17) and Shane Victorino (three for his last 24). Scoring runs has become a chore as the team has managed to cross the plate four times in the last 36 innings. With runners in scoring position the Phillies are three for their last 21 (1-for-9 tonight, although the runner didn’t score). You can’t win games when you can’t knock runners in.  Fairly simple.

There is reason to believe this offense can, and will, turn it around soon enough. Over 162 games, swoons are inevitable. That still doesn’t make it any easier to watch as the team-wide struggles mount.

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  • Posts: 0 Scotch Man

    My name exists for this game alone! Pathetic display of baseball. They deserve a good yelling at in the showers for this one.

     
  • Posts: 0 Barb

    Frustrating it was to watch…. truly frustrating! The spark, the flare and the sizzle was missing from the Phils! They’ll get it back though.

     
  • Posts: 0 Choo Choo Coleman

    Knuckleballers are true artists. I love it when they make hitters look helplessly foolish. The pitch is rare since it is very difficult to throw a competitive major league pitch with minimal rotation and control. It is also more sensitive to wind, temperature and atmospheric pressure than the other varieties of pitches. Knuckleball pitchers have greater longevity. When R. A. Dickey was asked in a pre-game interview how old he was, he stated that he is 35 years old chronologically but that is only 26 in Knuckleball Years.

    I can only think of a few knucklers to wear a Phillies uniform: Lew “Hicks” Moren 1907-1910 (He is one of the four pitchers credited with inventing the knuckleball), Dutch Leonard 1947-1948, Jim Konstanty 1948-1954 (1950 MVP), and the recently deceased hard luck Barry Lersch 1969-1973. Can anyone add to this list, I am certain there must be a few more.

     
  • Posts: 0 Smith

    Must be tough to win when you’re not able to steal signs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Censored Commenter

    What was inappropriate with Choo Choo Coleman’s previous moderated comment?

     
  • Posts: 0 Jimmie Goodwin Coker

    Knuckleballers are true artists. I love it when they make hitters look helplessly foolish. The pitch is rare since it is very difficult to throw a competitive major league pitch with minimal rotation and control. It is also more sensitive to wind, temperature and atmospheric pressure than the other varieties of pitches. Knuckleball pitchers have greater longevity. When R. A. Dickey was asked in a pre-game interview how old he was, he stated that he is 35 years old chronologically but that is only 26 in Knuckleball Years.

    I can only think of a few knucklers to wear a Phillies uniform: Lew “Hicks” Moren 1907-1910 (He is one of the four pitchers credited with inventing the knuckleball), Dutch Leonard 1947-1948, Jim Konstanty 1948-1954 (1950 MVP), and the recently deceased hard luck Barry Lersch 1969-1973. Can anyone add to this list, I am certain there must be a few more.

     
  • Posts: 0 John Quinn

    Knuckleballers are true artists. I love it when they make hitters look helplessly foolish. The pitch is rare since it is very difficult to throw a competitive major league pitch with minimal rotation and control. It is also more sensitive to wind, temperature and atmospheric pressure than the other varieties of pitches. Knuckleball pitchers have greater longevity. When R. A. Dickey was asked in a pre-game interview how old he was, he stated that he is 35 years old chronologically but that is only 26 in Knuckleball Years.
    I can only think of a few knucklers to wear a Phillies uniform: Lew “Hicks” Moren 1907-1910 (He is one of the four pitchers credited with inventing the knuckleball), Dutch Leonard 1947-1948, Jim Konstanty 1948-1954 (1950 MVP), and hard luck Barry Lersch 1969-1973. Can anyone add to this list, I am certain there must be a few more.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mets2010NLChamps

    LOLPhillies,Phail,Who is the mess now,etc

     
  • Posts: 0 Mets2010NLChamps

    Agreed Smith.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    First off why are these Met fans gloating. They have won nothing since 86. Really guys come on. The Mets wont even finish in the top three this year. The Phillies will run away with it. I had to hear Met fans crying on wfan last week when they were losing. Amazing. Right now the Phillies are struggling. Moyer is not a major league pitcher. Either is Kendrick, Get rid of both already. The Mets need to win a little before you gloat. We have been to the show twice in two years. Mets and Rangers are a disgrace. Flyers and Phillies baby. Mets2010 last place this year. Come back when its over and see where you finish.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    OH AND the last time the mets beat us up we came back to win two. Morons. How is reyes doing without the juice. Hitting but that body is breaking down. Same with Beltran. The juice has stopped.

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    It really is amazing that you phillies fans (like Jeff) actually engage the Mets trolls whom you cannot stand. By engaging them, you show that they actually bother you – that they actually matter to you. The fact that they actually matter to you is very sad. You can’t even take the high ground after you’ve done all this winning the last two years. That… well, there are no words for that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Nunzio Scholeri

    The Phillies’ bats actually got hits tonight; it’s just that as soon as someone was in scoring position they shut down. An unfortunate Phillies tradition.

    Man, if anyone teaches C.C. Sabathia to throw a knuckleball we are screwed.

     
  • Posts: 0 MikeB.

    After the Phillies score a bunch of runs in one game they then seem to “rest on their laurels” and it seems like it is a continuos “drunkenness” for awhile as evidenced by the offense going dormant.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Y.

    Greg Dobbs sucks and should be in the minors at best.

     
  • Posts: 0 NickFromGermantown

    Better the do this now than in October and November.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    We’re gonna win tonight!

     
  • Posts: 0 Scotch Man

    what do you mean the mets won “Nothing” since 86?

    they were NLE champs in 88
    Won the wild card in 99
    NL champs in 2000
    NLE champs in 06

    all that seems like something to me.

     
  • Posts: 0 Scotch Man

    also, if you’re counting strictly world series titles…the mets and phillies are tied.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    How annoying – it seemed every instance that I watched the game when Jamie was pitching, he was behind in the count 3-0. Although I did see Chooch ground into a DP in the second and then come up again with the bases loaded only to strike out – I spared myself the indignities of the moment.

    I’m glad I did not get to see the Dobbs at bat, every appearance he makes is only one step closer to the door out as far as I am concerned – he is done as a Phil. He has his ring, he has his memories and we do too from 2 years ago. Time to move on Greggy. I don’t think the Phils could do much worse in a PH role or backup right handed hitter (non-hitter) or third baseman for that matter… as my daughter would say – FAIL

     
  • Posts: 0 srt

    RA Dickey only shut the Phils out for 6 innings, not 7. Valdes got the 3 inning save. Same difference though.

    When you’re a team that relies on power and the long ball, you’re gonna have a problem in Citi field. Looks at the Mets home vs/ road splits for win. They’re staggering. They’re in their second year of playing at Citi and they’ve adjusted to the park. The opposition, especially a HR hitting team as the Phils, not so much. Playing small ball is what got that score to 8 runs. If the Phillies want to win games at Citi, they need to adjust their game plan when playing there.

     
  • Posts: 0 JoefromCamden

    I’m not concerned about the hitting. That will come around. The issue that’s bothering me is Werth’s struggles in the outfield. Suddenly this season Jason isn’t playing as well. Two catchable balls misplayed over his head last night, and he’s been juggling and not getting to balls well most of the season. What’s up with that?

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Can’t hold too much against Jamie last night. While he wasn’t stellar, not going to win a game when you get shut out (my statement of the obvious for the day). Pitchers pitch better when they get some run support.
    I’m rooting for Dobbs, and it is a small sample size, but he doesn’t look like he is seeing the ball at all. Please put in Gload when you need a lefty bat with runners on base. If PP needs a break, give Exxon a shot a third.
    Victorino is doing his thing – a week hitting everything, two weeks in the crapper – 2 for 22 over last 7 games, not hitting at all from the left side. At least he’ll be on the right side tonight, hoping he breaks out of his slump.
    On the plus side, both Howard and Ibanez are scorching the ball (although not with guys on base). I expect both to start adding extra base (tonight). Can still take 2 of three.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Good upside bfo – look, I think we are all rooting for Dobbsy or at least were. The same as we cheered on Coste and Stairs – but, their time too was here and gone.

    Dobbs not only is not seeing the ball at the plate, that error he made on Sunday was atrocious and opened the gates. Sure fire DP ball scoots between his legs – you have to be kidding.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Yeah, Dobbs is really beginning to piss me off. I’ll continue to cheer for him ….because he’s a Phillie….but it’s really getting frustrating to watch him.

    ——

    Did anyone else just want to reach into the TV set and choke Jose Reyes?? What a punk!! Good player…… But a punk!!

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I don’t get the Jamie hate. He’s been the second. Best pitcher on the staff when ypu consider production from the expectations of the role. Yes he’s horrible to watch, yes he’s given up too many homers but he’s getting it done. The numbers support him this year. Going into last nights game he had a WHIP of 1.05 which is incredible for a non strikeout pitcher.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Frankly, the big-at-bat in this game was Chooch’s DP. When you get Howard, Werth, and Raul all on base after 3 consecutive singles, and the next batter grounds into a DP –Home to First– that kinda deflates your team at least for the rest of the night.

    Very bad game for Chooch. He’s in a pretty ugly slump.. which is unfortunate because he’s our 7-hole hitter right now with Jimmy out.

    Which brings me to the point, WHY THE HELL DID THEY RUSH JIMMY ROLLINS? All of a sudden they anounced he was back from the DL and that same day he started. Why not an extra week of rest as a precautionary measure? The team was in a hot streak without him, anyway. We need him healthy in the long-run… those calf injuries tend to come back all the time. Two times in less than two months isn’t a good sign.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Manny when you look at the stats – Chooch left 3 men on base. I believe he came up a second time with the bases loaded and struck out. So, hitting into a DP does not show in the LOB column? Chooch is going to level out to his .250 – .260 average, which is OK it’s this murderous slump while everyone else is gasping at the same time that’s a killer.

    As far as Jimmy coming back, you know Jimmy had a lot to do with it – no doubt Jimmy said he was ready and what do you do? Unless you see he is still limping, a bone popping out or bleeding – you have to trust what he says.

     
  • Posts: 0 CT Dave

    Despite all the injuries and recent lack of offense, we are still tied for least losses in the NL with San Diego….not bad…as hard as it is to see them playing like they have the past week or so, they’ll snap out of it and go on an 8 out of 10 run soon….keep the Phaith!

     
  • Posts: 0 Gaze_NJ

    I loved the feeling I had 3 weeks ago when the 7-9 hitters would come up and it didn’t feel like a black hole in the lineup. But now we’re getting back to the point where 2 of the 3 are guaranteed to be automatic outs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phuh Cube Itches

    Werth missed those two fly balls because he’s used to playing in the bandbox. In Philadelphia, those balls were out of the park. Hlonestly, I forget (atm, my mind’s blank), have the Phils played in Citi Field this season? The outfield is HUGE… you gotta give him a little bit of a pass for playing there his first time of the year and getting a couple bad breaks that STILL got him close to making both plays. Maybe, in a more familiar outfield, he makes both plays and you’re cheering for him instead of maybe considering him for a Jeltz.

    And why choke Reyes? If he were on the Phillies, you’d love his heart and energy… just as much as I certainly would love Werth in my outfield (maybe not last night) and he would be one of my favorites in the game… but, so long as he’s in yours, I wouldn’t mourn if the earth split open beneath him and swallowed him whole.

    Chuck has it right… cheer for Dobbs “because he’s a Phillie”. But, at the same time, you gotta realize the only reason you wanna throttle Reyes is because he’s a Met. I wanna choke Werth most of the time… but only because of his uniform!

    Trading insults is just for fun. I do it with my closest friends! But there is a time and place for it. There’s no game on right this moment so this ain’t it (except for a little barb here and there!).

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    You’re gonna compare Werth to Reyes?? Seriously??

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    I never want to choke Werth and yes, he gets a pass for some of his bone headed plays – that is Jayson *
    But, the reason he gets a pass is because he has and will continue to win games for the Phillies single handedly. He will make some stupendous throws, catches, clutch hits and steals… Werth is no longer a nice commodity, regardless of some of his space cadet plays, he is now a necessity for the Phils continued success.

    * for you Manny

     
  • Posts: 0 therookie300

    Reyes is a punk. I would find it very hard to cheer for him if he were on the Phillies. He has some great baseball talent, but his actions could be done without. Maybe he should finally step up and be a leader on that team. They need one.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    That’s what I was trying to say…..Reyes is a good player….but he is not a leader. In fact, he’s really an immature person…..and I would have a REAL hard time cheering for him if he were on the Phillies.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    The muts are full of playa’s that feel they should be leaders. That is one of the reasons why I despise them so.

     
  • Posts: 0 Amazinsux

    Enjoy it while you can, Muts fans. It will all come crashing down real soon. By October it will be basement time for the NY Boys!

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Vic = Reyes (personality wise, anyway). Energy, but not a leader, disliked by every other fanbase. Fortunately for the Phils, Vic isn’t the face of the franchise.

     
  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    Not likely they will snap out of anything tonight tonight.

    Lefty on the mound.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Let the Met’s trolls do their thing…all I need to do is look at the standings and see the Met’s in last place and know that there is nothing a Mets fan can say and then I move on.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I’m not a big Vic fan…because of this very reason. He’s not quite Reyes…. but his ways can be real irritating at times.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    I agree with you Chuck. Vic is by far my least favorite Phillie not named Baez.

     
  • Posts: 0 PizzaBagel

    I really don’t understand why everybody is so shocked that the Phils have left so many men in scoring position recently. Look at our lineup! Beyond Ibanez, there’s a 3-man black hole. Chooch isn’t producing anymore, Castro is a joke and a half, and then it’s the pitcher spot. It’s great that the top 6 guys can get on base, but beyond that, forget about it.
    I do feel good about tonight though. I’ve always been a fan of the big guy on the mound.
    Bring up Dominick Brown already!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Pink

    wait, what exactly has the flyin hawaiin done?

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    I see Vic more as a kid rather than a punk. I love his energy & enthusiasm. On Cholly’s show the other week, he admitted on camera that he was talked to about his lack of hustle after the k (he got thrown out on a dropped 3rd strike) and he said it won’t happen again – unlike a punk from Florida with monster numbers not admitting he slacked even after his manager spoke to him.
    Reyes=punk, Vic more a kid with a much better attitude.
    Hey, if you want to measure him up with the talent on the Phils squad, sure, he is closer to the lower end of the list but he fits the team perfectly.

     
  • Posts: 0 Daren Daulton

    I just came back from outer space in my flying Delorean. I landed just in time to watch last night’s game. Unfortunately, we lost but I must say that I was impressed that there were no reports (yet) of fans throwing up on each other, cursing on live TV, getting imprisoned in the local Vet jail (is it still there, I’ve been gone for a long time?), getting hit over the head with Vodka bottles; booing paralyzed players, getting tasered, cheering for others to be tasered or booing the all time “favorite” Pat the Bat. I also didn’t hear Chase Utley curse in front of kids. Maybe I skipped over the all these ugly events while I was flashing through time and space.

    See you all in the future.

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    Shane is totally different than Reyes. Sure, Victorino talks a lot, but he’s also a pure husstle and energy player. And clutch. How many big hits has he gotten down the stretch and in the postseason? I’ve lost count.

    Reyes epitomizes the Mets the past three years.

    Lots of talent — produces in short stretches, then gets injured and has absolutely no mental toughness or heart.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    Chooch is merely returning to the mean. You did not really think he suddenly became a .300+ hitter did you? He had a hot streak and that must inevitably be followed by cold until he gets down to about .260 avg. If he ends there that is good.
    Werth will also cool off.
    Want I did not understand last night is why Victorino did not steal a base. This knuckleballer is throwing 75mph, Victorino should be standing on 2nd (or 3rd) before the catcher gets the ball. If he had stolen only one base the Phillies would have scored. He has got to run!

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    I agree with that Bob in Bucks, same with Sunday vs the Wake – when Utley was on third and Howard was batting, Utley should have stolen home. Third baseman was at the SS position – I guess he was hoping (like the rest of Philly) that Howard would do what he did all game long, a slow fly ball to rf (OK, one time it was more a liner but it was to right).
    Nope, Ryan struck out and Werth ground out.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    haha All good Brooks*

     
 
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