Gameday: Phillies (41-34) at Reds (43-35)

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, June 30, 2010 11:40 AM | Comments: 207
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Philadelphia Phillies (41-34) at Cincinnati Reds (43-35)

Roy Halladay, RHP (9-6, 2.29 ERA) vs. Aaron Harang, RHP (6-7, 5.07 ERA)

Time: 12:35, Great American Ballpark
Weather: Sunny, 77
TV: Comcast SportsNet
Twitter: @philliesnation

Game 1 of the Post-Utley/Polanco Experiment went about as well as it could go. Wilson Valdez played second base and hit a three-run bomb. The Phillies won the game, the Braves and Mets lost, and all is well with the world. Greg Dobbs went hitless, but we’ll give him a pass after the roller-coaster ride the team put everyone on. Dobbs tenure at third will be of the day-to-day variety, it would seem.

To today’s matchup, where Roy Halladay looks for double digits in wins for the sixth straight season. He’s faced the Reds twice in his career and has gone 1-0 with a 3.68 ERA. Who would you rather have on the mound with a series win at stake? Lets do it…

Aaron Harang is opposite the Doc and has been relatively sub-par this year, and for the previous two years as well. Over his past 71 starts, Harang has just 18 victories against 38 losses. The Phillies have shelled him over nine career starts, as he’s given up 32 earned runs over just 54 innings of work. After last night’s wild victory, an easier way to win would be to have Doc shut down a touch Cincy lineup and have Harang implode early. Seems possible given the circumstances.

LINEUP: Victorino CF, Dobbs 3B, Rollins SS, Howard 1B, Werth RF, Ibanez LF, Valdez 2B, Sardinha C, Halladay P
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  • Posts: 0 Troutman

    So, Greg and Ed R.: an ERA today of 4.50 is acceptable for someone who is supposed to be our Horse? Sorry it isn’t. Compound that with the fact that it was 3-0, and, I’m sorry, but Halladay has to take a bit of a hit today.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    Werth is back in the tank.

    Howard continues his homerless ways.

    Ibanez is a season long disaster.

    Rollins has hit .200 since his return.

    Other than that, everything is fine.

    Look for nothing but struggles in Pitt.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P


    If you think that we would have been better off with Cliff Lee (and not Roy Halladay) you have no credibility because it’s a NO BRAINER. Roy Halladay is arguably the greatest pitcher of this era. Cliff Lee is a nice pitcher that had a great postseason run. He was 7-4 during the regular season with the Phillies last year with a 3.39 ERA. Roy Halladay was 9-6 heading into today with a 2.29 ERA. Some of those losses were not his fault… like, most of them. The guy has been awesome and I don’t understand why we can’t leave Cliff Lee out of it.

  • Posts: 0 Bob

    LMAO yea Halladay sucks….

    If he gets pulled after 7 and the bullpen implodes then it’s “why didnt Charlie keep Roy in?”

    You ride the horse that got you there and Roy is a horse. He wasn’t tired, he made a bad pitch.

    Even that guy in Seattle made some bad pitches from time to time.

    Roy isnt a big game pitcher? HAHA, yea ok. 2.35 (?) ERA now, damn what were we thinking getting this bum?

  • Posts: 0 NickFromGermantown

    The Original Chuck P, we keep bringing up Lee because we need him now. Out rotation still has a lot of question marks and our offense has been inconsistent. When you can’t count on the offense regularly, you have to count on the pitching. Or luck. You pick.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    Even before injury, I’d estimate this year’s homer totals to be

    Howard: 35
    Utley: 20
    Werth: 25
    Ibanez: 12

    Compare those to last year.

  • Posts: 0 Bob

    The fact is that we were not signing Lee after this season. Lee wants MAX money. This team is not the New York Yankees or Boston Red Sox, they don’t have their own TV network.

    Halladay has been outstanding
    Hamels has been mostly good this year and getting back to previous form
    Blanton is a 2nd half guy
    Moyer has been nothing short of outstanding from what we can expect
    Kendrick is Kendrick

    We will see what Happ has upon his return.

    And Amaro will do SOMETHING. He will address the bench and you will probably see another pitcher in here.

    Some just gotta chill the hell out. This team has been playing much better over the last couple weeks. Losses like today happen, even to Roy Halladay and even to that guy in Seattle.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I did not see this game, but Charlie, whom I like, has a problem taking a pitcher out before he gives up the lead. I know Halliday wants to go 9 every time, but he gave up a run in the 6th and 7th. You need to trust you pen to get you 6 outs. And I think the pen has been underworked, Jose can pitch back to back nights, he only throw one pitch last nigh, and JC threw what 10? Even if you have to go the american league route and bring a guy for each batter you do that in this game to give you Ace a win. Charlie did with KK the other night also, no way he should have been brought back out in the 7th, when they start to get hit you need to take them out. I do not know where this lack of confidence in the pen comes from, does it all go back to one game where they blew a 5 run lead. Charlie needs to get over that, and bring in a guy to start the 7-8 or 9th inning when the starter is starting to get hit, not wait til after he is done and lost a lead.
    But it is only one loss, just leaves us little room in Pittsgurgh, we need a sweep, because with this offense, 1 out of 3 in Atlanta will be tough

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Chuck P you get over it. Lee is eating Doc this year. Three complete games. With a horrible team. He shut the Yankees down. When you have a three run lead with your ace you win. Doc did not do it. Like I said earlier he got hammered. Should of kept Lee and Drabek and that would of been better. Doc will not be the same here. 13 HITS. They just find new ways to lose. So happy Howie got his money. No power. This team is going nowhere.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Werth is back in the tank… let’s see, he’s 4/10 over the past three games with 3 BB and 5 R. Sounds terrible, doesn’t it?

    Howard is hitting .295 with 15 HR and 55 RBI… on pace for 30+ HR and 120+ RBI. What a bum…

    Ibanez has collected a hit in 8 of the past 11 games… he’s not lighting the world on fire but he has showed some signs that he’s going to come out of this (and we’re going to need him to).

    Rollins’s value goes wayyyyy beyong his batting average (but anyone who watched this team struggle while he was out already knows that).

    Betcha they sweep the Poo-rates…

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Jeff you need to climb back into the whole you came from in NY or where ever. This team has not been together for the whole year, and even if the Mutts and Baves win tonight, they will only be 2 games back in the loss column, and that is with a average to bad june. So get over yourself, pitchers go through these types of streaches like batters do, Charlie has to learn to trust his pen again, and get these starters wins so guys like you can’t complain about win lose records. Unlike your team the Mets last year, which just went into the tank when their guys got hurt, the Phillies are still withing striking distance dispite not having 2/3 of the rotation for most of the year, and 2/3 of you infield out, so go smoke some grass and go back to NY and cheer for your Mets team, who despite the Phillies strugles have not pulled away form anybody in the east.

  • Posts: 0 Phan in the outfield

    teejvee: Howard’s avg is 295. Werth’s avg is 292.
    They both were 1 – 4 today but Werth had a run.
    Werth currently has 1 less HR than Howard.
    Ibanez hit in a bunch of runs the night we went into extra innings to beat the Reds.
    I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Rollins’ value… grammatical abortion.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    shag beta I hope thats a real college. WHOLE…Its hole moron. How can Charlie learn to trust his pen. HE HAS NO PEN. DUMMY

  • Posts: 0 Bob


    Halladay now has 6 complete games…..Cliffy got some catching up to do.

    Would someone please grace everyone with some of the comments when Amaro landed Lee instead of Halladay? We can see who the true hypocrites are.

  • Posts: 0 MikeB.

    A team loss today; from the starting pitcher all the way down to the manager. At least Halladay kept his team in the game and should have been relieved after seven innings. Not enough offense; if not for our catcher’s home run, would have been shut out. Werth’s defensive miscue came up big as it led to losing margin of one run. Ibanez and Victorino; not getting it done at all at the plate. Phillies continue not being able to solve Red’s pitcher Harang when other teams areable to hit him around. Uneasy thought as to how the Phils are going to fare against Atlanta and the Reds next week at CBP.

  • Posts: 0 Troutman

    Hey The Original Chuck P…I’ll bet you one billion dollars (pinky at side of mouth) that the Phils don’t sweep the Pirates. They way they are playing this year, combined with the fact they never play well in Pittsburgh, makes me think they’ll be lucky to split the series.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Hey Jeff… Halladay was pretty good early on, too while Cliff Lee was on the DL.

    Cliff Lee has gotten 5.17 runs of support on average on a “crappy” team… Roy Halladay has gotten 4.50 runs of support, 7th worst in MLB.

    Cliff Lee has one CG SHO to Roy’s three (one being perfect).

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Great we are not paying the best pitcher in baseball to be good early on. He is your ace. After a dramatic win last night and you have a 3 run lead tody, you win. thats why he is here. lee fit this team so much better.

  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Cliff Lee is a GREAT pitcher, don’t get me wrong and I would have loved to have kept him and Halladay but if it really did come down to Lee or Halladay, I see absolutely no way that you could go the other way, especially considering Cliff Lee is going to be a free agent. I think that we should have kept them both but I’m playing with Monopoly money.

    The pitching match-ups aren’t bad for this upcoming series: Hamels/McCutchen (favors Hamels)
    Moyer/Ohlendorf (favors Moyer)
    Kendrick/Maholm (favors Maholm but Kendrick’s pitching life is on the line so maybe he’s got a gem in him)
    Blanton/Karsten (toss up… maybe Blanton slightly)

    A 4 game sweep is probably wishful thinking but I could see it happening.

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    If this offense cannot score more than 4 runs in a game, something is wrong and it aint the pitching.

    Another gutty performance by Doc – the offense, excuse me, the big money players did not perform again. That is the reason for this Loss today.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    great. halladay should be proud of this complete game. he threw no pitches inside today. let the reds swing away. i was all for having lee. i thought jr did right by holding strong. got a great pitcher that everyone in baseball now wants. lee with that catch in the world series with one hand. thats the man/.

  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    I don’t see a sweep in Pittsburgh. They’ll be lucky to get out of there with a split. This team obviously has major issues to address.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    Jeff, if you were a fan, why would you want an inferior pitcher? Cliff Lee is DAMN GOOD. He is not as good as Roy Halladay, still though. Halladay has a 2.35 ERA after over 11 games. He has 3 CG SO’s, one BEING A PERFECT GAME, and then he has 3 more CG’s. Guess what though! He lost one of those CG’s because of an anemic offense. Halladay’s SUPERB pitching is NOT the problem. It’s the team’s offensive struggles that have hurt him. IF Halladay had 5 runs per game, he’d probably be around 14 wins right now. His losses in complete games came on a 2-1, and 1-0 (After 8 IP).

    What a bum. Cliff Lee’s getting RUN SUPPORT. Look it up. It’s something Halladay hasn’t gotten all year.

  • Posts: 0 Skip Pennington

    It’s a damn shame. No bullpen. No hitting. No win. Then Phils are not going to make the playoffs, in my opinion. It was a nice run while it lasted.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    He got three runs today. Should be enough for your ace. Halladay has gotten beat up by all the good hitting teams.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    Also Jeff, let me put this into perspective: Would you rather have Cliff Lee for 1 year, then have Hamels be our ace again after Lee signs in Free Agency with another team, or would you rather have Roy Halladay for 3 years, at the STEAL of 60 million dollars, no question’s asked? You can only choose one. Which is it?

    If you chose Halladay, you are Ruben Amaro Jr., and you’ve made the choice the Ownership told him he had to make.

    If you chose Lee, you’re a dumbass who doesn’t care about the future of this team. Thus, it could be assumed that you have never watched the Phillies pre-2007, when having a pitcher like Figueroa or Eaton was the big topic. Not Lee or Halladay.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    I will say this now. You guys will all regreat that howard contract. Wait and see.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    Jeff, why are you changing the subject? Also, three runs was enough, if Werth had made that catch. But he didn’t, so we suffered a loss. If you’re not a fan, leave this site.

    Immaturity is one thing, but you’re taking it to a whole new level with your trolling.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    I would gotten halladay and kept lee for 9 million. world series lock.

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    So Jeff, Mark – kids – what we need to see is every time that Roy Halladay pitches, he should give up 2 runs or less? Wait, I take that back. On May the 18th he gave up 2 runs to the Pirates and lost 2-1. On June 10th, he gave up 1 run to Fla and lost. So, he should pitch just shutouts every game. What a slacker@!

    His ERA is 2.42 guys! His record should be more like 12 (or 13) wins and 3 losses if he had run support.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    you guys put werth, halladay, howard on the moon. werth is so overrated for one. i have no idea why he did what he did. maybe juice. he is a very nice player not worth what he is looing for. they should of let howard play out his contract. he will be in his mid 30s.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    pirates and florida. two teams that stink. how bout holding the yankees down, or even the sox.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    “Rollins’s value goes wayyyyy beyong his batting average (but anyone who watched this team struggle while he was out already knows that).”

    Like? ?????
    He’s hitting .200 since his return.
    He’s not been a factor except in maybe 2 games.

    He’s just another guy killing this team offensively.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    That wasn’t a choice, Jeff! Ruben HAD to choose, Halladay for 3 years, Lee for none. Or Lee for 1 year, Halladay slips away.

    THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO POSSIBLE CHOICES. Don’t you think Ruben would have loved to have Two legitimate aces? The guy is a fan of the team. Hell, he played for it. He loves this team. Sure, he’s made some bonehead choices, but he was given two possible scenario’s, and he chose the one 99.99% of people with IQ’s over 60 would choose.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Phillies are averaging 4.75 runs per game …

    and in the last week, the scored 9 runs or more, FOUR times

    People forgetting the Polanco, Utley, and Ruiz are on the DL and they aren’t going to put up firework-offense everynight without those guys

    Reds are no joke either, they lead the NL in Batting Average, Runs, Hits, RBI and SLG%

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    I have a beautiful Halladay authentic jersey for 65. if anyone wants to buy.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Ok Greg, why not hold onto lee for a few more weeks then give him away for trash. please. three players that will never be heard from again for one of the games top pitchers. its worst then what we gave up for him.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    Good. Sell all your Phillies paraphernalia. Go back to rooting for whichever team wins the World Series the previous year. We don’t want bandwagon fans.

    (FYI, last year, it was the Yankees…because our offensive sucked).

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Im selling it because i have one already. was being nice and selling if for 65. its sell for over 250.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    If ACE starters should only give up 3 runs a game, what does it say about Cliff Lee that his career ERA is a 1/2 run higher than Roy Halladay’s

    Halladay = 3.37
    Lee = 3.86

    In America, Halladay would be rounded down to a 3 ERA, while Lee would be rounded UP to a 4

    also crazy.. is that Halladay, despite getting “Rocked” in his last few starts still has a lower ERA than Cliff Lee this year

    Halladay = 2.42
    Lee = 2.45

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    Jeff! I don’t know if you’re mentally retarded, or what, but you don’t understand! It’s not hard to comprehend. Ruben had TWO, count them, One…two…, choices. Halladay for 3 years, Lee for 1. Not keep Lee until the trade deadline, then trade him. He had to trade him to a lesser team that wouldn’t give us problems. Do you really think the Phillies want to give the Yankees a stud like Lee, or the Red Sox, or the Braves, or the Muts?

    How stupid are you, Jeff?

    Also, since when are you Miss. Effin Cleo? You can read the future? What do you have to say about Biddle? Is he going to flop, too? I’m going to laugh when Phillipe Aumont becomes one of the best pitchers in the league in four years, and when you find out, you’ll be sitting in an asylum wondering why your parents dropped you on your head repeatedly as a kid, and forced the ridicule upon you on a daily basis.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Halladay could of pitched better today with a 3-0 lead. we did give away drabek and taylor.

  • Posts: 0 Don M


    you are clearly a knowledgeable baseball fan ..

    Explain to me.. how, if the Phillies STOLE Cliff Lee from the Indians, while Lee had 1.5 years left under contract

    we would then get MORE in return from a team to get him for only 1 year, instead of 1.5 ….

    It’s also been suggested that Amaro could have waited longer and gotten better prospects from such teams as the Yankees and RedSox … the same teams that didn’t want to give up more than what we did for Lee at 1.5 years, would then change their minds, and top that offer for 1.0 years of Cliff Lee?

    Whenever you get a chance, thanks!

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    I cannot believe this fruit loop is honestly thinking that an Ace has to throw a CG SO every time out…

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    aumont. you mean the man that got sent way down. are you a moron. did not have to trade lee at the deadline but jr could of waited a couple more weeks in the offseason. put his name out there. they traded him because they wanted everyone to think it was apart of the doc deal. are you that stupid. all jr has done is given out these huge contracts. gillick cleaned all that crap up.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    i never said that greg and your p i s s i n g me off. i said you have your ace on the mound. you have key players hurt. 3-0 lead late and you need this man to shut the door.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    we gave nobody to get lee last season and for that we got a guy that almost won us a world series by himself.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    So why aren’t you riding Jayson for not making that catch? Why am I pissing you off? Because of your incompetence at understanding basic knowledge of a sport? Why aren’t you angry that the only runs came off of a fourth string catcher?

    Priorities — Get them in order.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    now we have NO FARM, our players are getting older. Raul is a joke, Howard will need a wheelchair when his big deal is done. Jimmy is not the same player. Werth will be out of here after this season. We have a 47 year old pitcher that might have to stay until 50. Cole is not the guy he was. Shades of it at times but nowhere near. Blanton, Kendrick are you crazy. No pen or closer. no bench. where are they going. nobody in the league will trade for anyone.

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