Halladay’s Quality Outing Again Ends in a Phillies Defeat

Posted by Pat Gallen, Sun, June 20, 2010 05:04 PM | Comments: 122
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For the first 17 innings of this series against the Minnesota Twins, it appeared to be the start of a breakout. The Phillies had beaten Nick Blackburn easily in the opener on Friday, giving the Phillies their third win in a row. On Saturday, Kevin Slowey was rocked and lasted just 1 2/3 innings before the epic bullpen collapse in the ninth inning.

Before that unheard of ninth inning where the Phillies gave up five runs, a sweep was well within reach. With a victory on Saturday, and Roy Halladay pitching today against Carl Pavano, it wasn’t such a far fetched thought. That’s why they play the game.

Halladay and the Phils were beaten by Pavano and the Twins 4-1 on Father’s Day and the possibility of a sweep quickly became a series loss.

Doc was his normal strike-throwing self as he struck out eight and did not allow a free pass, but he was hit hard in every inning. Halladay allowed solo homers to Denard Span and Justin Morneau and RBI singles by Joe Mauer and Jason Kubel in the defeat as Minnesota rocked the Phils starter for 10 hits in his eight innings on the mound. His final line included just three earned runs, making this his third loss of the season when he’s gone at least eight innings and given up three earned or less. Bad luck? Could be. There is some room for the blame to be placed on a very unstable lineup.

That lineup today produced just four hits and the lone run was contributed by the now-powerful Wilson Valdez. It was the shortstop’s second home run in as many games. Kind of odd, considering it had been six years between the first home run of his career and yesterday’s homer. Certainly it’s nice to see Valdez hitting it out rather than hitting into double plays, however, he was today’s lone bright spot.

Pavano, who had been tagged by the Phillies more than once in his career, was lights out. He went the distance and threw 105 pitches, 76 for strikes. All day long he kept the Phils bats off-balance with a great fastball/sinker/changeup/slider mix.

When asked whether yesterday’s mind-blowing loss trickled into today’s lackluster performance, Shane Victorino said absolutely not. “Last night’s loss was a fluke, but again, you don’t carry that over into today, you forget about it.”

What did carry over was the offense’s inability to provide Halladay with any sort of cushion. In his last six starts, he’s thrown 43 2/3 innings, but has been given just nine total runs of support. That’s a scary thought. What’s also scary is that the Phillies are now 5.5 games behind the Braves who have jumped to 42-28.

If they want to catch them, they’ll need to start now.

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  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    I think the expectation was a little more than “quality outings”( code for…”eh? not so bad”),no?

  • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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    Halladay gave up 3 runs over 8 innings against a very good Twins team. If the offense scores 7 or 8 runs today, we’re talking about how great Halladay was.

    Don’t pin this one on Doc, hes doing all he can. What you should be worried about is the expectations of the offense being a little more than “crap” right now.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    There’s no pinning anything on him.

    It’s just that he was brought here to come up big in these kinds of games.
    Pavano ,for example, came up big-total shut down.

    Halladay did not.

    And he didn’t v The Yanks, The Red Sox, the Marlins in last 3 games either.

    It is what it is.

  • Posts: 0 THE DIPSY for GM

    One problem is that we don’t have any money to fix our problems. All our money is going to BAD CONTRACTS — Howard, Ibanez, Baez, and others. We need THE DIPSY as GM, and we need him fast. Only he can pull this team out of the fire. He truly would be like having UNDERDOG coming to the rescue. He’d kick ass and take no prisoners. He would restore pride to this team. Let’s get a movement a foot !!!! We need change. WE NEED THE DIPSY !!!

  • Posts: 0 karen

    lol…there you go. Today was just upsetting….I mean we all were standing there roasting and again, we saw our team stink. something yesterday…lidge?…activated the slump button again. i dunno

  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Even a new GM wouldnt be able to get out from underneath the Howard albatross (contract)

    Its so Mets like. Its 5 years. So in 2015 we will still be bemoaning it.

    Again if we are the Yankees it doesnt matter. But we arent. We had to move Lee for financial reasons.

    Whoever the new GM is. And people will be fired over this. His hands will be tied.

  • Posts: 0 A real cute chick

    I am all for The Dipsy. He knows his stuff and he would save the day !!!
    The Phillies need drastic change. We are sliding down a steep hill. Reach out and seek a hero. Why not The Dipsy ?

  • Posts: 0 karen

    i vote for the dipsy too

  • Posts: 0 joe

    shut up about ryan howards deal. my god. just shut up!!!!!!

    for the last 5 years you all praised him in august and september when he CARRIES THE ENTIRE TEAM.

    his defense is much better this year. he’s faster. in better shape. his average is way up.

    what do you want ???

    you people are stupid.

    i’m glad he is a phillies and i dont care what his contract is.

    on the other hand…baez is a waste. dobbs is a waste. and this team is not making the playoffs.


    why do the phils play the yanks followed by the twins…while the braves get the royals?

  • Posts: 0 bostonkate

    The dipsy knows his shit. I’m all for him as GM.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    I am glad you are so stupid you dont understand how a team with a budget that over paying anyone matters.
    If you dont care about contracts you are a moron. We cant get other players now GENIUS.

  • Posts: 0 A real cute chick

    Hey Joe, you are pretty stupid aren’t you. The deal did not have to be signed this year at all. He had two years on his old deal. Are you a freakin moron?

  • Posts: 0 joe

    what do you think they were going to pay him? 6 million a year?

    would you rather him be gone? and leave a HUGE hole in the lineup?

    the best players get paid. thats that. thats the sport. thats the world we live in.

    deal with it. and enjoy his 45+ AND 140+ RBI YEARS

  • Posts: 0 A real cute chick


  • Posts: 0 joe

    they wanted to lock him up for the rest of his career. thats a bad thing? the POWR in your lineup is a bad thing to be locked up for his career?

    i’m sorry….whats the point of baseball? to what? score runs right?


  • Posts: 0 joe

    this is playstation. this is real life. and the players get paid.

    you cant have the 5 best pitchers and an all star at every position and have a payroll of 50 million.

    you cant just say, hey i want this player. and then get him


  • Posts: 0 A real cute chick

    Joe, those 45 homers, 140 RBI years are over. He leaves more runners standed than any other cleanup hitter in baseball. Look it up. You don’t have to be a guy to realize when a player has peeked. Howard is on the decline, decline, decline, decline.

  • Posts: 0 joe


    you think ryan howard has peaked?

    i’m done.
    you people are f’n stupid.

    when he carries the team again, don’t cheer for him. BANDWAGON FANS

  • Posts: 0 A real cute chick

    Joe, look at the Reds, the Twins, The Rays, The Rockies. Do you follow baseball at all? Or do you only follow teams in the Northeast? Open you eyes and brain. Learn the game. Don’t be a dummy? I know you are upset. Joing The Dipsy Movement. We need fellas like you .

  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Simple economics.
    If your budget is 100 million and you pay a single player 99 million that leaves you one million for 25 other roster spots.
    If the phillies budget was 100 billion. He would be grossly under paid at 1 billion a year. How dare someone calling themselves a fan say they dont care what players make.
    Stupid is as stupid does I guess. I dont care what he makes. I care that what he makes is going to kill the franchise.

  • Posts: 0 karen

    come on guys…this is supposed to be a fan forum where if someone wants to vent a bit…thats cool. this is frustrating. especially for the fans who know how good this team really is. I think there is a change needed….do i know what? no…..something. even something small like releasing dobbs

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    They have no marbles.

  • Posts: 0 Stanley the Steamer

    This team strikes me as a team without desire…. Too professional and not passionate enough. Too old…. Too many old players. Their starting lineup is one of the oldest in baseball. Not enough steam.

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    My opinion is that fans should only care how much money a player makes to the extent that it might prohibit their team from having enough money to do the things they need to do in the future. Since they Phillies basically are printing money, and they are, I wouldn’t worry about Howard’s contract screwing up their payroll in the future.

    Rollins, Happ, Madson. Those are real good players.

    I have no idea why this team is playing they way its playing. I do know that Valdez, while a nice replacement, is nowhere near Jimmy’s equal in the field. That means Utley (sore knee?) and Placido (new position) have to cover more ground. Our fielding right now is not a strength. Last year we made the plays we were supposed to make and then some on top. Now, we are just average, maybe a little below. I think when Jimmy comes back things we really get better.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Stanley the Steamer

    Hopefully he’ll put some passion and steam into this team. I like this Dipsy fellow. He talks sense and knows his baseball. He may do well in a front office job. Though I am just an iron worker, I do know something about baseball and I can tell this fellow has a noggin on him.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    The phillies are printing money but they needed to have the Blue Jays include money in the Halladay deal? and then they dealt Lee.
    Hey wish it was true. Then Id not care what anyone made pay them all 50 million. But unforunately this isnt the Yankees.

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Hey all.

    Sorry so down here. At the beginning of the season I was convinced of one thing and certain of another. I was certain that the Phils were going to win the NL East division, take the NL again and bring back WS trophy to Philadelphia. I was convinced by an early display that Roy Halladay would win the NL CYA.

    Now, I am neither. With a very mediocre record of 35-32 (after a sizzling start of the season) I can’t say I am convinced anylonger. The last 25 games of the season are vs teams in our own division. The Phils are 5.5 games behind. Yesterday they did everything in their power (starting with the first inning) to lose that game and eventually did. Today, what a pitiful performance. And today, once again, the good doctor does a decent job but due to a non-existent offense, loses a game that he should have won. Doc, really by no measure of his effort is now has a record of 8-6. He should have at least 3 more wins, a few runs would put him at the top of the NL for wins.

    To me it was apparent that Doc did not have his stuff today but still enough to give any team that can show heart a chance to win. He has done that several times and come up short.

    Look, I am still going to the games (I’ll be there vs the tribe on the 24th) but I have adjusted my expectations a bit.

    I know, I am whining. The dissapointment I feel is crushing. Sure, a nice 8 game winning streak will make us all feel better but, it doesn’t look like that is going to happen.

  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    You guys are right. I don’t think any team in the history of baseball has made up 5 1/2 games with only 95 left to play. I think think they’re on the brink of being mathematically eliminated!

    Brooks, stop by on the 24th for a complimentary Bubba Burger with all the fixings. That will cheer you up. I’ll be in parking lot K with the Webber grill all morning long.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Thanks for the offer Ted!
    A few beers and a winning streak will help too I’m sure.

  • Posts: 0 Peter Wrinkles, jr.

    Jamie Moyer has an opportunity to match Roy Halladay’s record of 8-6 on Tuesday against a weak Cleveland Indians team. I think he will do it.

  • Posts: 0 beta sigma delta shag

    5 games back in the loss colum is not out of it by any means, and the Braves have been playing a pretty easy IL schedule, I do think the Braves are for real but are they a .700 ball club no way, they may win 90-92 games but believe it or not the phillies can too all they have to do is start winning now. I think a against the Jays and the Tribe they have to win 4 out of those 6 should win 5 because the Tribe is just bad and should be swept beginging of the week, the Jays are a good team and being the home team at the bank will make it interesting, but you know what they need 2out of 3 from them then get back in the NL and be withing 2 or 3 games by all star break and then turn it on like they have been doing for the last three years

  • Posts: 0 Peter Wrinkles, jr.

    Jamie Moyer may end up again as our winningest pitcher. He has achieved that the past two years and we got to the world series both times, winning it once.

  • Posts: 0 George

    Can someone actually explain to me how paying Howard $25 million a few years from now has affected the Phils’ ability to make changes this year? This year, he’s making $19 mil, and will be making $20 mil next year. Those numbers were already set with his current contract, and would have had to be paid no matter what. Maybe in three years, those extra $5 million will make a difference, but the Phils aren’t paying that yet.

    Also, some of Halladay’s recent losses can’t be blamed entirely on the offense. Boston beat his brains out, and the Yankees beat his brains half way out. Even today’s game, he gave up ten hits. The Twins must have lacked some good situational hitting to have scored so little with so much opportunity. Halladay wasn’t bad, but he wasn’t particularly good, either. It was the kind of start Blanton was making last year, although Blanton usually only lasted seven innings instead of eight.

  • Posts: 0 George

    I re-checked. Halladay actually gave up eleven hits today.

    He’ll do better, I’m sure, but his last three outings haven’t been very inspiring.

  • Posts: 0 Scotch Man

    Ryan Howard is easily the Phillie of the week. Not getting why some are busting his stones so much. Sure, he was crap at the plate today but so were all of them, except Valdez. The other day when he had 2 bombs and 4 RBI’s, I heard no such talk!

    Speaking of Valdez, does he stay when Rollins comes back? With two home runs, I’d say he has earned to hang around. As much as I liked Dobbs in ’07 and ’08, I have come to the conclusion that he will be and should be the odd man out.

  • Posts: 0 Peter Wrinkles, jr.

    Dobbs needs to go…. Howard’s contract, despite being activated in two years, is indeed affecting movement of the Phils today. Good, quality players will want committment — two or three year deals. Howards huge payola will inhibit those deals and strap the team in terms of both committment and future budget. We don’t even know if he will be close to being effective in two years. We did not have to sign him now. If anything, it has taken the edge off of him and this financial committment will prevent us from signing a Cliff Lee or another stud pitcher. The excuse: “we are already committed beyond our budget.”
    Let’s face it, you could get two quality players for what Howard is going to get paid. It’s just stupid. Howard is a one-dimensional player with little to no versatility.

  • Posts: 0 Peter Wrinkles, jr.

    In fact, you could get potentially two quality starters, a closer and a decent set-up man for Howard’s future pay for a year. That is what the Reds, Twins, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Marlins, Braves, and Tigers are striving for.

  • Posts: 0 Mark

    Waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh…..really?!!!! your kidding right? why are they playing Yanks and Twins and Braves are playing the Royals?…..ummm I believe the Phils play the Indians next…it all balances out in the end…..complain complain complain…..”oohh we’ll bounce back….we’ll turn the page and win the next one with Halladay after the tough loss when the bullpen coughed up 5 in the 9th….the voodoo curse is working….this stuff is laughable. This isnt 08 and 09 people….this team isnt making the World Series every year for 10 yrs I hate to break it to you….its called baseball. Ask Brave fans who won 14 yrs of division titles in a row and got one ring out of it.


    why do the phils play the yanks followed by the twins…while the braves get the royals?

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Face facts people this is not there year. Roy Halladay is our ace and has not acted like one. I do not care that we gave him one run. He has to be the guy everytime we go out. I just want Jr fired. Howards contract for five years is terrible. We are still paying off guys that are not here anymore. We will do the same for Howie. Our bullpen was never corrected. Get rid of Lidge already. Eat the salary. That game was just pathetic. U do not lose with a five run lead in the last inning. The braves are running away. Good news thought. The NFL will start and we can forget about this year.

  • Posts: 0 Michael

    Here are some points IMO

    1) Trades. No, a trade is NOT necessary. THIS TEAM GOES THROUGH THIS SORT OF SLUMP EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I remember last year and in 2008, the Phillies played absolutely horrifically during this time. As Pat said, its a looooong season. You guys know how this team is in july august and september! the braves cannot play this well for the rest of the year and their age is gonna come up and bite em in the ass once august begins. They are an OLD club. Trading Werth though wouldnt solve anything or a managerial shake up.

    2) Doc. Yeah, Doc hasn’t pithed very well since if perfecto. SO WHAT? how many more starts does this guy have? TONS! seriously. you all sound like the biggest bunch of bandwagon fans ever! this guy isnt a robot who’s programmed to win every single game. This guy just needs some run support. he’s pitched very well. Id like to see you guys go out and do better.

    3) Sarge Hats. did anybody else find them hideously ugly?

  • Posts: 0 Peter Wrinkles, jr.

    And Michael….you sound like a Stepford wife. You really do.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Halladay STILL wins 20 games

    Howard STILL hits 40 HR and 130-140 RBI


    The Phillies STILL make the postseason.

  • Posts: 0 Mark

    No…no….and maybe

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    While I am no financial guy, perhaps the Phils ownership is experiencing a significant increase of their revenue stream over years past and are anticipating the same over the next few years to come. Maybe they actually have enough $$ to accommodate an increased payroll in the coming seasons. Hey, they know how much money they have, we don’t. Given the history of Phils’ ownership, I think the last thing they would do would be to overextend their payroll. Given that premise, perhaps the Howard contract, while pricey, will not crimp their ability to make moves in the future. Thats what I believe. Amaro doesn’t sign Ryan without Montgomery telling him to go ahead.

    Are we seriously trashing Halladay? Wow.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Chuck


    For the Phillies to MAKE the postseason, Halladay needs to win 20 and Howard needs to hit 4/130-140. (or at least those two factors will help greatly….other things need to happen too and they can still make it even if Doc and Ryan don’t deliver)

    But you get my point….

    So since you think that these two guys won’t reach those numbers….then I guess your argument is that the postseason is not a possibility.

    Just making sure I understand you….the Phillies in mid/late June….right in the mix…… with 90+ games still to play are DONE. Right??



    My feeling is that the ownership is maybe, finally waking up to the fact that they have something here….as in a BIG-MARKET TEAM. I think that the recent success, the constant sellouts, the fact that the team travels well…..all that serves to point out that these aren’t your Father’s or Grandfather’s Phillies.

    At least I hope this is the case.

    That said, I don’t want them to turn this into the Yankees, either. I still want to be able to go to 8-10 games a year and be able to sit in half-way decent seats.

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    There is just something wrong with the Phillies this year. I don’t know what it is. They just seem to have no fight in them. From my recollection the only comeback win they have had this year was the game in San Francisco. They just don’t seem to come back on teams. And the body language of the team shows that they don’t expect to win. At what point yesterday did you realize they were going to lose Sunday’s game? For me, it was somewhere around the 5th inning. In previous seasons, the Phillies would be down by 3 in the 7th and you felt like they had the opponent right where they wanted them. But this year it seems like if they are down 2-3 runs in the 5th inning that they have no chance of winning the game.

    Also Greg Dobbs is horrible. I’d try to trade him for a few bags of kitty litter.

  • Posts: 0 Pap Thompson

    There’s no way Howard deserves the Jeltz considering he was one of four players to record a hit yesterday — and what an at-bat that was… gave them a glimmer of hope in the ninth. For anybody who’s of the opinion the Phillies didn’t make Pavano work hard enough, Howard’s AB clearly was the exception. IMO, you can’t blame Howard for his throw to second either — at least it was on the bag. That play, and that unearned run, is on Shane

  • Posts: 0 NickFromGermantown

    Some here seem to not like the idea of criticizing Howard and his contract. It’s not hard or unjustified to do so. For someone who has always seemed to be about the money, I think it’s criminal that he took that contract when a guy like Halladay come here for less. Imagine if he took less than he did, say $5MM/year less. Maybe we would have the flexibility for Lee. Maybe we’d have a better shot at Werth. All I know is that with all the money he has and will make, he should have given the Phillies a bit of a break. He didn’t, so we now have every right to be as critical as we want.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    “Given the Phillies a bit of a break” ??????

    First of all, why should he. He’s entitled to make as much as he can get.

    Secondly, how do you know that $25 M per season in two years won’t be the going rate….or UNDER the going rate….for someone like Howard who is a perennial power hitter and RBI man.

    Seriously….people need to stop with all this complaining about Ryan Howard. Last I checked his stats are .290/14/51…..through 67 games with 95 to play.

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