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Moyer Shuts Down Indians for Win No. 266

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, June 22, 2010 11:10 PM | Comments: 59
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On paper, this didn’t preview as a pitchers duel. Jamie Moyer and Mitch Talbot made it one.  Both hurlers had been surprisingly solid through the first two months of the season, but tonight they were outstanding. Moyer outdid the 26-year old Talbot in the Phillies 2-1 win.

Moyer fooled the young, inexperienced Indians lineup with an assault of nothing.  Nothing fast, nothing pretty, nothing crazy. Moyer just did what he always does and that’s locate well and turn the jumpy Cleveland bats against themselves. For eight innings and 107 pitches, the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World stifled a lineup filled with no-names (including former Phillies farmhand Jason Donald), allowing just two hits and one run while striking out five. His lone run against came on a second-deck home run by former Phillie (for seven games) Russell Branyan.  That mistake would not cost him, unless you look to the record books.

With Branyan’s bomb, Moyer tied Robin Roberts for the all-time major league record with 505 home runs allowed.  Don’t look at that record as a negative, but rather as a salute to the longevity of Moyer’s career. It was also his 266th win, which ties him for 35th all-time with Bob Feller and Eppa Rixey. Hall of Fame numbers? You be the judge.

Talbot wasn’t sharp like Moyer, but he got the job done and kept the lowly Indians in it until the last out. Talbot gave up two runs, both coming in the decisive first inning. The first run was brought home on an opposite-field single by Ryan Howard, one of his two singles on the night that found their way around, or through, the shift.

Jayson Werth followed Howard with a blast to center field that was caught just shy of the wall to send home Chase Utley for the winning run. Yes, the winning run coming in the bottom of the first inning. The Phillies could muster just four total hits against a pitcher with a career ERA of 4.94. That again shows the offense is not quite ready to be deemed “back.”

One guy who is back is Jimmy Rollins. He was unproductive at the plate tonight in terms of numbers – J-Roll went 0-4 – however, his presence in the lineup is a win in itself. As far as the leg goes, he’s not quite ready to steal bases, but he did say “I feel like I can score from first with no problem.”  The problem there is, who will knock you in, James?

Another issue is the bullpen. J.C. Romero entered to begin the ninth inning, quickly putting two runners aboard. The collective pulse of Citizens Bank Park began to race. Been there, done that. Brad Lidge took over for Romero with one out and first and second base occupied. He was able to use that ripping slider, which he said felt great tonight, to set down Cleveland for the series-opening victory. On a night of milestones, Lidge added one as well: his 200th career save.

No matter the hiccups of the pen, it’s pleasant to see Rollins back in his normal spot at the top of the order. Now it’s up to him and his struggling mates to get them to where they want to be in the standings. “Am I concerned with the standings? No, not at all,” Rollins said, replying to his own question. “Of course, are we where we want to be? No, not at all. So you make it up one game at a time. We’ve done it before…I guess we’ll have to do it again.”

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  • Posts: 0 emayer

    Russell Branyan is awesome. He hits a massive home run and the Phillies win regardless! An all around good situation!

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Hey Rubin Jr. Get your ass in gear and get us some bullpen help, please !!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Adrian

    Moyer is also the active leader in career innings pitched with 3,998, and he’s only allowed more than 25 home runs in six of his 24 seasons. It’s awesome seeing him continue to have this much success. He’s 47 and tied for fifth in the NL in wins.

     
  • Posts: 0 David

    A week and a half ago Moyer was getting run out of town. Now suddenly were lauding his success. He has a 4.43 era. He’s lucky he’s not 5-9. Hall of Fame? Please. I dont know why anyone with any kind of baseball common sense wouldnt understand that having 266 wins isnt that impressive when its done over a 25 year career. thats less than 11 wins a year. I applaud him for his longevity. What he is able to do at his age is astounding. But he’s never been the best pitcher over any sustained period of time, let alone one season, in either league during the past quarter century. He’s had a good, but not hall of fame career.

     
  • Posts: 0 Sherry in Philly

    Yes, I think he needs to be in the hall of fame.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    sherry baby your wrong. moyer is not a hall of fame pitcher. stop smoking the good stuff. when you think of hall of fame you think of koufax, gibson, maddox, smoltz, schilling, johnson, carlton, etc. not moyer. he has 266 wins over his baseball span. he is a crafty pitcher. there are nights when he does get rocked. look back two weeks ago against the sox. sorry sherry baby.

     
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  • Posts: 0 Jeff Y.

    Sherry, please put down the hash pipe. Moyer is nowhere near HOF status. He’s an above average pitcher at best over his entire career.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Great game by Jamie. Spock, need……more……offense. It’ll come with Jimmy back Not worried. Here is some food for thought. The wild card will probably NOT come from this division. 4 good teams mean we play each other a and beat our own brains out. 91, 90 wins gets it? I’ll tell ya, our interleague schedule was a real hosing. WTF? Okay, MLB likes to promote geographical rivalries so Sox and Yanks make sense, while still not fair, but Minnesota??? Very good teams in the NL this year.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Jamie Moyer is a great pitcher with below average stuff. I’m happy to have him, but no way a hall of famer (put him in the Bob Boone category – good enough to stay around for a very long time, but never in the top 5 at his position). His performance was impressive last night when you consider the ump wasn’t giving the inside strike (for both guys) – Jamie had to get the ball over the plate, and still only gave up 1 run.

    Romero looked decent – wasn’t like he walked guys on four straight pitches (weren’t they both full counts?). Lidge’s slider looked awesome. A nice game by Howard – he’s hitting the ball hard. As soon as Rollins gets a solid week in, sit Utley for a few days, looks lost up there.

    I’ll take the win, but 2-1 against Cleveland, 4 singles, no extra base hits, doesn’t inspire a whole lot of confidence. At least Jamie gutted out the win, picked up a game on Atl.

     
  • Posts: 0 Rob

    I loved Shane Victorino’s comments the other night about the slump…”It’s only June, it’s not like it’s August.” Why don’t you say something like, “I’m sorry to the fans who’ve been forking over their hard earned money every night to watch us play like *hit.”

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Jamie Moyer – Would any team give us anything for him?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    See…that’s baseball…and the law of averages. The Phils put up big numbers on Saturday…and lost. Lasy night they muster 4 hits and still won the game.

    I was at the game and I’ll tell ya…J-Roll got TWO standing o’s…one when Dan Baker announced the starting lineups and in the bottom of the first when he first came up. Nice to see. While he didn’t get any hits, he was solid in the field and just his presence alone I think will motivate this team.

    Interesting note on Moyer: He’s now 9th on the career list for wins by a lefty. And he does have more wins after the age of 40 than anyone else. Not that these stats alone get him into the HoF. I think that he needs AT LEAST 280 wins to get there and that is even a stretch. Still….great game by Jamie.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Dipsy, you’re joking, right?? Of course there are a few teams that would love to have someone like him on their staff for the stretch run. But the Phillies aren’t gonna do that.

    Here’s another question….I was waiting til later to pose it but you provided the perfect lead-in…

    Do the Phillies resign him for next year?? Not some stupid-a$$ 2 year deal like he has now. But a modest $5M one year incentive-laden contract??

     
  • Posts: 0 Papa Thompson

    I thought Romero looked pretty good, really. If that roller he gave up goes absolutely anywhere else, he’s got “two quick outs” rather than “quickly putting two runners aboard.”

    Lidge had it working for sure. I didn’t see Saturday’s collapse so I can’t speak to that, but generally, he’s given us a plenty of reason so far to feel good when he’s called upon.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    If someone would have told me at the beginning of the season that Halladay and Moyer would be tied for wins on June 23rd, I would have laughed so hard that several blood vessels in my face would have burst.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I’m really not sure why Lidge didn’t start the 9th in the first place.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Too many people expect the Phils’ bullpen to be perfect. NO team’s bullpen is perfect. Romero had an off noght; his ERA is still under 3.00. Lidge struck out BOTH batters he faced. Yet even though no runs were scored, “Another issue is the bullpen,” or there’s a demand to “get us some bullpen help.” Complaining when no runs were scored is idiotic whining.

    As far as the Hall of Fame is concerned, Moyer would have to pitch for probably four or five more years and win over 300 to even be considered. Tommy John, who had similar velocity, won more games, and was THE PIONEER of arm surgery which bears his name and has saved careers, is not in the Hall. Whether one agrees with them or not, Hall voters ALWAYS go for flash over longevity.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Good point, George. “Flash over longevity”

    Lidge last night was terrific. The slider was on and I credit Brian Schneider for being able to catch it.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    “Noght” should be “night.”

    Romero started the ninth because the Tribe’s batters matched up badly against lefties.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    They wanted to keep the two switch hitters (Santana and I forget the other) batting on the right side – While Santana hit one hard off Jamie, for the most part was flailing. Also concerned about playing 20 straight games up to the all-star break, don’t want to overplay Lidge (although he was still warming up, not sure how it helped him rest).

    If Charlie was there, Lidge probably would have started the 9th. I understand both calls, not sure which is the best. Fortunately, it worked out.

     
  • Posts: 0 Papa Thompson

    I thought it was a good call to go to Romero out of the pen against the switch hitters and lefty. I have to admit, though, I was really second guessing that with two on, one out, and Lidge coming in.

     
  • Posts: 0 repeat!

    bp help? Easy 1st step. Waive romero. Best way to keep ruiz off the dl caused by late game injs? Waive romero. Moyer is a HOF. Hell of a father and greatest pitcher w/8 kids all~time!

     
  • Posts: 0 Papa Thompson

    Did anybody catch the postgame press conference? I was kind of taken aback by Charlie explaining the nod to Romero by saying “I wanted” to make the switch hitters bat RH.

    While a lot of people generally might expect ejected managers to keep in contact with the bench, it struck me as something you might not want to admit to on TV.

    It will be interesting to see what happens (Romero or Lidge) if a similar situation arises tonight.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Jamie has pitched the second most innings on the Phillies staff. In the division only Doc, JJ, Johan, Pelfrey and Hudson have pitched more innings and considering he is so hittable he has a WHIP of 1.06… That’s incredible.

    I really wouldn’t be surprised to see the Phils try and work a one year deal for him to return next year, he likely won’t pitch as well as this year but a 4.5-8 ERA innings eater you’ll take to round out your pen any day of the week.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kate

    Let’s not forget that Jamie’s also still around because of his leadership in the pen. I still say it’s amazing how he shook off the pounding the Sox gave him to pitch a great game against the Yankees and you’d think someone of his age and his pitches would start getting a little nervous with very little wiggle room from the offense. Nope, didn’t happen. Jamie’s got steel ones (most of the time) and that’s partly why we kept him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    If anyone doesn’t think that managers don’t still “manage” the game after they have been ejected they are naive. Charlie was pushing all the buttons from the clubhouse. Mackanin was just officially exercising them.

    Waive Romero?? Yeah, now THAT’S a really good solution. The bullpen is already struggling …at times……the last thing you would want to do is waive your primary late-inning lefty.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Chuck – I’m a big fan of the “reversion to the mean” theory of life. You’re never as good or as bad as you look and in the end everything finds it equilibrium. Thats said, Jaime is ultimately a 4.60 ERA, 6 inning pitcher. If a team wants to believe that Jaime would be real asset to their team this year, I say trade him if you can get value. Perhaps something in a LHP for the pen or a good righty bat off the bench. Maybe a decent prospect or two.

    I do not believe that Jaime will pitch like this for the rest of the year and I base the above on that premise. Sell high, buy low – thats my motto. If he does stick around for the year, which I believe he will, I will be rooting for him.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Thing is….the Phillies are one of those teams that Jamie would be a “real asset” to. He already is. Unless your going to get U. Jimenez or T. Lincecum in return it makes no sense to trade him.

    That said, I agree….he probably won’t pitch like this for the rest of the year.

    When he won the 5th spot out of S.T. I predicted on here that he would win 10 games this year. Ok…he’s really the 4th starter…but you get my drift….he’s already EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS.

    14-12….4.75 ERA

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Well, it kinda does make sense if you believe that he is not going to pitch like this all year. What was inherent in my post was that the Phils would trade him before he falls off the cliff. And he will. He is is an asset to anyone now.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Including the Phillies.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    I love what I’m reading here. Jamie Moyer, the ageless wonder, is now a topic for HOF discussion (chuckles). What a great asset for the Phillies. What with all the offensive woes for the team, Moyer continues to shine as one of the few bright spots on the pitching staff.

    I wonder if former PN columnist of last year, Tim Malcolm, has seen the light and changed his mind about Moyer? He is the one that wanted Moyer banned from the team at season’s start last year.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Chuck….do you understand my argument because you don’t sound like you do. He’s good now, he’ll suck later. Trade him before he starts to suck.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    “Few bright spots on the pitching staff” ???

    FEW????

    -Halladay has been great (no run support has robbed him of…what?….3 or 4 wins??) Leads the NL in CGs with 5

    -Hamels has been a SOLID #2

    -Moyer.

    -Kendrick has pitched well since the beginning of May

    -Bullpen: aside from Baez, it has been pretty good. Contreras has been a nice addition and :idge is improved

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Jamie would be a good fit anywhere, he is totally dependant upon the umps calls. If he is getting the corners he will give you 6 or 7 innings, allowing 3 to 4 runs or better (like last night). If he is not given the corners, he will be forced to come inside, throwing what could easily be termed, batting practice over the fat of the plate.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    How do you know he will suck?

    I’m sure he will have some “sucky” outings this year. But I would be willing to bet he has some pretty good ones in him to.

    He’s not just gonna fall off of a cliff.

    Yes, I understand your argument. But trading him is stupid when we have Blanton who really hasn’t shown up yet and Happ who is a question mark.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Sorry, what I really mean by that is Jamie is very much a control pitcher.
    If he has control and has an ump that does stretch the zone to the fullest, whoever he is pitching for has a better than average chance to win.
    No dominant stuff here, just great control.

     
  • Posts: 0 mnjam

    It’s not quite true that Moyer has never been a “top 5″ player at any time in his career. He arguably was from during the five year span from 1999 through 2003. He won 20 or more games twice — a considerable feat in this day and age and one yet to be duplicated by Sabathia (who has never won 20) or Halladay. He also finished 4, 5 and 6 high up in CYA voting in that five year span.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Agreed Chuck, the pitching staff has improved dramatically over last year with the exception of JB and Baez.
    The downspot on the Phils this year to me is hitting or lack thereof.
    In order:
    Ibanez – CARRIED the Phils in the first half last year, his production is 1/3 of what it was last year
    Utley – what cliff did he drop off of?
    Dobbs – love him, love that he is gone – thanks for the great memories
    Vic – way too inconsistent.
    The rest of the bench – I know, they were not to be found last year either – I had high hopes for them this year
    And of course missing Jimmy – watching last night, jury is still out if he is back fully..

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Bullpens are never perfect but when you are leading 9-4 in the ninth you do not blow the game. My god. Thats aweful. Good closers dont blow it. Mo would of ate some dinner with that lead and still won.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Chuck – I don’t “know” anything for sure. But using history as an indicator, this is NOT the pitcher he is. He is barely average pitcher who is pitching great. That said – trade him while his value is high. Blanton will be Blanton. In many ways he is the opposite of Moyer for purposes of my argument. Unlike Jamie, Blanton is an good pitcher pitching poorly. He is pitching below his historical norm. Past performance indicates that he bounces back. He is the guy you keep – not trade.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Jeff what you said is true but look, how many games has the BP blown?
    Not that many and perhaps it is because the team hitting hasn’t put them in as many situations to blow the lead – maybe, you can only go by what they have done. I give the BP a passing grade so far.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I never said the Phillies should trade Blanton. I agree…he will bounce back. But Moyer is serving a purpose right now and it would be foolhardy for the Phils to let him go.

    6-6 the rest of the way….14-12 at the end of the year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Kind of a low ball figure Chuck -

     
  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    Is anybody still concerned about Brad Lidge? He still had no command of his fastball yesterday, and he needs that to be successful.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    If Jamie stays healthy, he will probably start 32 games. He has started 14 so far and has a decision for every game. If he starts another 18 games and goes 6-6, that means he has either lost control or the bats have failed.

    History has shown us (recent anyway) that the bats do come alive in the second half and if Jamie keeps his consistency, I would give him at least another 8 to 9 wins – based on his health of course and history of the Phils coming to life in the second half.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    @Dipsy: Using “history as indicator”, Moyer is ABOVE average pitcher (266 wins; 4.22 ERA) and won’t “fall off the cliff” at season’s end. Since joining the Phillies in 2006, he has had a winning record every season that now totals 55 wins against 37 losses. The ageless wonder continues to apply his masterful craft like no other and shows no signs that it will be different than any of previous years with the team.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Brooks, I was being conservative….and allowing for some failure in the second half (since Dipsy seems to think that).

    14-12 is a conservative estimate….but I would take it for him since we all thought that he shouldn’t even be on the team anyway in the off-season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Im getting in on this late … but … Who the hell could you possibly get for Jamie Moyer ?

    just because a guy is having success doesn’t mean that other teams are going to trade prospects, or young talent for him for a few months..

    This doesn’t make any sense, for a few reasons ..
    #1 .. we need pitching, and Moyer’s been good so far
    #2 … we need pitching
    #3 …. we need as muich pitching as we can get

    Blanton shouldn’t be traded either …

    you wait until you run into a problem like Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Moyer and Kendrick are all worthy of the starting rotation, and then you make a decision as to moving someone to the pen

    Happ is far away from being back to form .. and I highly doubt any teams want to give the Phillies any pitching help without trying to rob us in return

     
 
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