Moyer Shuts Down Indians for Win No. 266
Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, June 22, 2010 11:10 PM | Comments: 59
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On paper, this didn’t preview as a pitchers duel. Jamie Moyer and Mitch Talbot made it one. Both hurlers had been surprisingly solid through the first two months of the season, but tonight they were outstanding. Moyer outdid the 26-year old Talbot in the Phillies 2-1 win.
Moyer fooled the young, inexperienced Indians lineup with an assault of nothing. Nothing fast, nothing pretty, nothing crazy. Moyer just did what he always does and that’s locate well and turn the jumpy Cleveland bats against themselves. For eight innings and 107 pitches, the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World stifled a lineup filled with no-names (including former Phillies farmhand Jason Donald), allowing just two hits and one run while striking out five. His lone run against came on a second-deck home run by former Phillie (for seven games) Russell Branyan. That mistake would not cost him, unless you look to the record books.
With Branyan’s bomb, Moyer tied Robin Roberts for the all-time major league record with 505 home runs allowed. Don’t look at that record as a negative, but rather as a salute to the longevity of Moyer’s career. It was also his 266th win, which ties him for 35th all-time with Bob Feller and Eppa Rixey. Hall of Fame numbers? You be the judge.
Talbot wasn’t sharp like Moyer, but he got the job done and kept the lowly Indians in it until the last out. Talbot gave up two runs, both coming in the decisive first inning. The first run was brought home on an opposite-field single by Ryan Howard, one of his two singles on the night that found their way around, or through, the shift.
Jayson Werth followed Howard with a blast to center field that was caught just shy of the wall to send home Chase Utley for the winning run. Yes, the winning run coming in the bottom of the first inning. The Phillies could muster just four total hits against a pitcher with a career ERA of 4.94. That again shows the offense is not quite ready to be deemed “back.”
One guy who is back is Jimmy Rollins. He was unproductive at the plate tonight in terms of numbers – J-Roll went 0-4 – however, his presence in the lineup is a win in itself. As far as the leg goes, he’s not quite ready to steal bases, but he did say “I feel like I can score from first with no problem.” The problem there is, who will knock you in, James?
Another issue is the bullpen. J.C. Romero entered to begin the ninth inning, quickly putting two runners aboard. The collective pulse of Citizens Bank Park began to race. Been there, done that. Brad Lidge took over for Romero with one out and first and second base occupied. He was able to use that ripping slider, which he said felt great tonight, to set down Cleveland for the series-opening victory. On a night of milestones, Lidge added one as well: his 200th career save.
No matter the hiccups of the pen, it’s pleasant to see Rollins back in his normal spot at the top of the order. Now it’s up to him and his struggling mates to get them to where they want to be in the standings. “Am I concerned with the standings? No, not at all,” Rollins said, replying to his own question. “Of course, are we where we want to be? No, not at all. So you make it up one game at a time. We’ve done it before…I guess we’ll have to do it again.”
















Posts: 0 bfo_33
Did Moyer suddenly get better? No. Something has happened in baseball this year that has worked to the pitcher’s advantage. Amphetamine testing? Final purging of PEDs? Expanded strike zone? Dead balls? I don’t know what it is, but it has turned passable pitchers into good ones, and good ones into aces.
I would like to see the Phils take the same approach with Moyer that the Red Sox did with Wakefield – lifetime contract, renewable annually, for something like $5M. He’s going to get shelled at times, but is an “innings eater” (I know that term is taboo on this site, but it fits Jamie, he has a way of keeping the Phils in the game, shrugs off the bad innings), will win more than he loses, and is a strong presence in the pen.
Posted: 01:00 PM on June 23, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
At what point will people realize that Moyer has helped us in each of the past 3 seasons??
Nobody is trading anything useful for a 47-year old pitcher … he’s on our team to stay, and so far, that’s a good thing.
Who cares what HIS record is.. i only care about what the Phillies record is when he pitches. . . for whatever reason, the bats usually show up when he’s on the mound, except for his last two starts, when they needed him to fool hitters, and he did
his last two starts:
16 innings,
3 Earned Runs (all via solo HR)
10 Ks
5 Hits
2 walks
which has lowered his ERA by .60 .. from 5.03, to a respectable 4.43
currently:
only 8 NL starters have lower ERA, and more wins than Moyer
and his ERA is better than:
Derek Lowe, Randy Wolf, Dan Haren, Ricky Nolasco, Aaron Cook, Aaron Harang, Edwin Jackon, Randy Wells, and many more
Time to give props to the Phillies front office, for ignoring the fan base, and keeping Jamie Moyer around, realizing that the season is 162 games long, and you’ll need as many quality arms as possible
Posted: 01:03 PM on June 23, 2010
Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks
I think Dipsy raises a fair question. Moyer is probably as good as he can be right now but this is not who he is. Rather we can expect him to hit 100 pitches in the 5th inning, maybe 6th on average. So trading him when he looks good is a viable idea. Of course, this assumes that everyone else does not know what we know – which is not valid.
Bigger question is trade for what? I think the BP is OK now and if you are looking for more remember that Madson is on his way back which would be someone you would love to trade for. So essentially we take a decent bullpen and make it better. Lidge is definitely better than 2009 if not as good as 2010 – he should save about 85-90% of his attempts.
Trading Moyer for a starter is not going to happen and why should it? What could we get for a 47 year old veteran. With Happ coming back we will have six solid starters which I think is a necessity because someone always gets hurt.
So, what are you looking for in a trade? A pinch-hitter? No, the only thing to look for is prospects and here is where the problem is. I can’t see anyone giving up any decent prospect for Moyer. Obviously he does not have a long future (of course he may pitch till he’s 50 but the odds are against it.) If someone comes forward for him I think the Phils are not going to go for it so long as they are in the race.
Interesting question about next year – sure is making Amaro look smart!
Posted: 01:04 PM on June 23, 2010
Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta
Of course Jamie may have an off night or two or three where he gets rocked early, but if you figure on 18 and even if he has 5 outings where he last 3 innings and gives up 6 runs, and 12 outings where he goes 6+ and gives up 3, for your 5th starter, which he really is, you going to tell me you would not take that, and say he only wins 6 or 7 of those quality starts that is 13-14 wins, that is not good enough for you for a 5th starter. And that is what he is on this team if Big Joe turns it around and Happ comes back healthy. Even KK has had mostly solid starts since the beginning of June, he has some losses from lack of run support also. But your 4/5 guys are going to get hit once in a while, just like your Ace will See Doc against the Yanks. Now you ace should only have 2 maybe 3 terrible starts a year, but your 4/5 guys if they produce two out of every three starts and the offense carries them once in a while that is why they are your 4/5 guys. And I am pretty sure the pen only has one or two blown saves this year, I don’t care that one of them was 5 run blown save, a blown save is a blown save. so get off the pens back they have been pretty solid all year
Posted: 01:16 PM on June 23, 2010
Posts: 0 Brooks
Shag, it looks like your saying that Jamie has a legit shot at 18 wins this year. If so, that would be his highest total since he won 21 in 03 with the Mariners (at the spry young age of 41) & his third highest win total in his career. If he can stay healthy and consistant, he will pitch for over 200 innings for the first time since 2005 (he was a bouncing 43 year older then) and this year he has given up less hits than innings pitched which goes along nicely with his walk to IP ratio (presently he is giving up less than 2 walks per 9 innings pitched). If he can keep that up, that would be the first time since 03. Not bad for a 47 yr old pitcher that most of us were grumbling about at the start of the year.
Posted: 02:13 PM on June 23, 2010
Posts: 0 sportsphan
Would rather see Victorino is the leadoff spot than Jimmy; at least until we see whether or not he’s got his timing and stroke back yet.
Posted: 02:54 PM on June 23, 2010
Posts: 0 sportsphan
Make that “IN” the leadoff spot!
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