Moyer the Stopper
Posted by Brian Michael, Wed, June 16, 2010 11:37 PM | Comments: 84
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Leave it Jamie Moyer to come through in the clutch. It was like he was back pitching an NL-East clinching game – when you needed him the most, he came through. Moyer allowed just two solo homers and an additional hit in his superb eight-inning outing. Brad Lidge came on in the ninth to strike out the side, but not before allowing two hits and a run himself. The Phils won 6-3.
Ryan Howard and Jayson Werth hit consecutive homers in the third inning, the 11th of the season for both of them. To all our dismay, these were the first back-to-back homers in 2010 for the Phils. Earlier in the second, Shane Victorino hit a bases-loaded triple off Yankees starter A.J. Burnett to put the Phils up 4-0. The much-maligned Greg Dobbs knocked in the first run and went 1-2 as the DH. The offense was working again but maxed out in the fourth with 6 runs and 6 hits on the board. It proved to be enough tonight.
Carlos Ruiz sat out nursing a sore ankle and an 0-for-22 slump.
The ESPN announcers said the Phillies needed this game to avoid the sweep with Andy Pettitte matched up against Kyle Kendrick tomorrow. I say they still have a chance to take the series.
Posts: 0 Bart Shart
Wow…Dipsy….that is sooo profound. Keep up the philosophy.
Posted: 12:22 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
Since everyone said yesterday morning that the season was over, and we were going to get swept by the Yankees , im still not sure that we even won that game last night ..?
Posted: 01:13 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Papps
Phillies Phans come and lets discuss the Phillies at http://phillies.mlfb.info/
I’m glad we beat the Yankees last night. Its time for us to get back on track to the World Series again!!
Posted: 01:21 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Willie
Is ray serious??? “Choking Mutts”…. Whose in third place again?
Posted: 01:40 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 phillyboy
did anyone else hear the espn ann. basically say that scouts are saying since the binocular thing that is the reason for chase’s struggles!!!boy that pissed me off!!! i can not wait for chase to catch fire and show these a-holes something!!
Posted: 01:47 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Brooks
Jeff Y, Moyer’s success or failure rides a lot on the umpires. If the ump is generous with the corners Jamie has a pretty good outing. He needs those corners.
That is why I said earlier that Jamie did not show anything out of the ordinary for him, nothing special – just his typical control and mastery over the corners that he is given.
Posted: 02:23 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
I think the reason for Chase’s struggles, its that contrary to popular belief, he’s not the best player in baseball .. … he’s an above-average player, who plays the right way ..
he’s a career .293 hitter, who averages 29 HRs a season in his career, and used to be bad in the field, now he’s probably above-average
…
Like ever hitter in the game, other than Albert Pujols, he’ll have bad stretches at times, but he’ll do everything he can to help his team win
Posted: 02:34 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
What is said about Moyer, is the same with EVERY pitcher… looks what happened with Halladay when the low-strike, and the pitches on the corners weren’t called “STRIKES” …it forces you to leave more over the plate, and belt-high .. and those are the locations that get ROCKED by MLB hitters
Posted: 02:35 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Don M? Hello? Above average? Just above average? Would you call him a “star player”?
The Dipsy
Posted: 02:39 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 The Second John
Scott Mathieson got called up today. Bastardo to DL.
How can you call Chase Utley just an above average player? He has been on of the best players in baseball for the last few years.
Posted: 03:07 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Georgie
Don M, interesting point about the strike zone…..there was a world of difference between strike zones For Roy’s game v Jamie’s. Not taking any credit away from Jamie, but alot of pitches that were called strikes last night were balls for Roy, and that changes the tenor of the game from the first inning. Roy’s frustration with the strike zone was quite obvious, for a guy who usually keeps his cool, he was TICKED OFF, and I can’t say I blame him.
Let’s hope the guys are coming around now, and KK keeps us in the game tonight.
Posted: 03:09 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Don M
I wouldn’t call him a “star fielder” … overall, he’s a star, an All-Star, etc … aobve-average players isn’t an insult is it?
but I’m one of the few not ready to place in the Hall of Fame, or label him the Greatest Secondbaseman of all time
the past 3 years:
.292, 33 HRs, 104 RBI
.282, 31 HRs, 93 RBI
……and so far this year, .260, 10 HR, 26 RBI
which puts him on pace for lower numbers yet again.. if he’s hurt, as soon as Rollins gets back he should take a few days off
Posted: 03:27 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Chase Utley works really hard at being a major leage player. REALLY HARD. Both physically AND mentally. He’s like the first one at the park every day. His work ethic is something that 90% of all other players should look at once in awhile.
I think that because he works hard….he’s an “above average” player. He’s a “star”.
But my thinking is that NO….he won’t be in the Hall of fame someday. He doesn’t have the numbers to support his election now…..and at the pace he’s on…..he probably won’t when he retires. I know that will send shock waves throughout the Delaware Valley, but it’s true.
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teejvee….
So you’re saying that the Phillies are a “bad team that had a good night”
Wow….talk about negativity!
I really don’t know how most of you can really enjoy being fans if all you’re gonna do is whine and b*tch all the time.
Posted: 04:15 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Phan in the outfield
After being harranged with a barrage of ‘The Yankees Are God and The Phillies Stink’ from the lame YES channel commentators (Al Leiter is one), and after the Phils appeared as though they’d decided to throw the game in the last few innings, and we STILL won, I sat disbelieving for a min. (I think a tear slipped out when Howard & Werth hit the back-to-back HRs.) It seriously seems like forEVER since something positive happened for this team. The look on Ryan Howard’s face after JDub hit his homer said it all.
Posted: 04:16 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 teejvee
teejvee….
“So you’re saying that the Phillies are a “bad team that had a good night”
Wow….talk about negativity! ”
More like reality
May I ask. What team have you been watching the past month?
Yea they are a bad team. BAD. Can’t buy an big hit .
Homers come as often as World Cup goal. NO evidence Utley and Ibanez
are going to start hitting any.
We’ll see about Werth and Howard.
That’s the state of state. TODAY.
Check back in a week
Posted: 04:23 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
“Just get me to the plate, boys” !!!!!!!
Posted: 04:23 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Chuck, I hate to tell you this, but if you extrapolate his numbers he will, without question, be in the Hall of Fame. Best Second Baseman of last 50 years???? Here:
Morgan, Ryno, Alomar, Utley. Feel free to add.
The Dipsy
Posted: 04:31 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Can’t buy a big hit, you say??
Gee, I guess that bases-clearing triple from Shane was just in my dreams then.
teej….we’ve been over this on this site…..the Phillies are in a slump. Just like in 2008 and 2009. Both years we had similiar records at this point in the schedule.
Were those “bad” teams?? You know, the teams that went on the the WS both years??
So I guess then, if the Phillies win 5 of their next 7, then they are then a “good’ team again. (7 games….you know….”check back in a week”).
Whatever happened to a good team just being in a slump?? That doesn’t make them a bad team….it just means they aren’t playing up to their ability AT THE TIME.
Posted: 04:31 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
And Rod Carew, if he’s not a 1B.
The Dipsy
Posted: 04:32 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Sandberg played for 16 seasons. Chase has 8 under his belt..6 as a full-time player. He’s currently 31. Let’s assume he plays for another 8 years for a total of 16.
Sandberg: 2386 hits
.285 BA
.344 OBP
282 HR
1061 RBI
Utley so far: 1036 hits
.293 BA
.379 OBP
171 HR
611 RBI
If you simply double the numbers to extrapolate it out, Chase is higher in some categories and lower in others.
Here’s my argument though…..I don’t think Chase will keep that pace up. I don’t think he will reach those numbers. We are already seeing a decline this year. Now maybe that will corrrect itself….but I just don’t think you can say he a “lock” for the HoF because of his numbers.
Posted: 04:47 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Joe Morgan played for 22 years. 2517 Hits and a BA of .271. I don’t think Chase has 14 more years in him….so you really can’t compare him to Morgan.
Alomar isn’t in the HoF.
Rod Carew is in a different league than any of these guys…. .328 BA and over 3000 hits. Totally different.
Posted: 04:53 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 PaulyPizza
KK going tonight. Predicting another pimp smack on the Stankies. Pettite is a tough opponent with PED or without I suppose. But we got Polanco (prognosticating as the hero of the night!)
‘where my pizza at?’
The Nation league cries ‘ NO Blankton!’
Posted: 05:09 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Exactly my point Chuck. Alomar is not in the HOF. There are barely any great second basemen from the last 50 year but Chase is among them. If Chase ends his career with 2500 hits, 350 hrs, .285 along with all the runs he scores AND his importance to perennial WS teams (so far one winner), he’s in no problem. See Pee Wee Reese. If not for being on those Dodgers teams, he’s not in. I’m not saying that Chase is better than Morgan or Carew, although a case could be made that he could be. Bottom line, his stats and post seasons, AS A 2B, will get him in. Look at the list of 2B’s in the HOF. He’s better than half of them. Could he break down early? Sure. Will they move him to the OF eventually? Probably. I think he gose to the Hall and is one of the top 5 2B of the last 50 years.
The Dipsy
Posted: 06:04 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Brooks
I’m listening to Jayson Werth on the MLB TV doing an interview before tonight’s nationally televised game. Harold Reynolds & Greg Amsinger made the mistake of chiding Jayson about his beard – what a mistake.
Jayson jestured, looked pissed and almost walked away until Harold caught (duh) what was going on and said, “Lets talk baseball..” to which Jayson replied, “Please!”
But Jayson was open about the teams frustration and said for the mostpart we are being positive but it’s been tough…
Posted: 06:21 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Brooks
How can you say after one portion of one season, that Chase cannot keep up the pace that has elevated him to the elite status of one of today’s premier second basemen?
Chuck, reality man – one month of a bad slump does not mean the end of a baseball player.
And Dipsy, Alomar will make it into the HOF. 10 GG, 11 straight AS appearances – amazing defensive second baseman.
Posted: 06:28 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Chase will not end his career with 2500 hits. So far he has 1036. If you double that it’s just over 2000…..and that’s saying that he plays another 8 years….at the same pace. I think he will slow down. If fact, I really wonder if he plays 8 more seasons.
If he played for 22 seasons like Morgan did….and put up consisten numbers….MAYBE he comes close to Morgan’s stats…..but I doubt it.
Carew….there is NO WAY that Chase Utley can even be mentioned in the same sentence as Rod Carew. NO WAY.
Posted: 06:40 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Yeah…Alomar gets in at some point. 2724 hits in 17 seasons. .300 BA.
But that just emphasizes Utley. At 8 seasons (not quite 8) he has 1036 hits. Double that and it’s 2072. Add another 175 hits for the 17th season and it’s about 2257. That’s still almost 500 hits less than Alomar.
I just don’t see Utley being in the same group as Alomar.
Posted: 06:47 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
not sure why the smiley face is on my post. I HATE those things.
Posted: 06:48 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Bart Shart
Let’s not forget Jeff Kent, Lew Whitaker, Nellie Fox (last 50 years), and
Mickey Morandini (kidding here).
Posted: 07:05 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Those guys are not close to Utley. Kent was a first baseman playing 2B. Chuck, Chase has played the equivalent of six seasons. I really doubt that he will retire at 37 or whatever after 8 more seasons. That said, yes, he can make 2500 hits. You should look at Joe Morgan’s (one of my all time favs, BTW) stats excluding 75 and 76 and then tell how you feel about his career. Morgan is in because he had a spectacular 5 year run on back to back WS winners. Alomar was a great player but he should not have spit on that ump and he played in San Diego and Toronto. Great player. He’ll get in. Nellie Foz, Bobby Doerr, Bill Mazeroski. Those guys are a joke compared to Chase. As to the Rod Carew comparison, he was a singles hitter, great bunter, good baserunner. Wade Boggs with speed. I would take Utley over Carew as a total package. Carew never won a thing. Great player, though. Utley hits for average, hits for power, runs, field and throw. Carew did two of those.
The Dipsy
Posted: 07:55 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Brooks
I thought it was something “special” that you had to get the emoticons…
Anyway, in reality at this point if Chase were to make it into the HOF it would take at least 1 more WS ring, a few GG, AS appearances and maybe even 1 or more MVP awards. And I do not see the MVP awards in his future – I think collectively we as Phillies fans thought this might be happening but, not any longer.
Posted: 08:00 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Chuck
Carew>Chase
No way he makes 2500 hits. He has just over 100 now. He’s never had 200 for a season. He would have to play for 11 or 12 seasons to get there. Not a chance.
Posted: 08:02 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 Brooks
Dipsy, thanks for bringing up the legacy that most of the people on this blog remember about Roberto Alomar – the spitting incident ???
The man had a flat tire, he blew his gasket – he lost control – one time in his career. He was involved in the communities he lived in, he was charitable, well liked and respected and then this. And it will never be lived down because inevitably, someone will slap the one liner in there about a 2 minute episode in a great players career that has him branded forever as “the guy who spit on the umpire John Hirschbeck”
Posted: 08:11 PM on June 17, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Brooks, I think Roberto is great. I am just telling you why I think it may take him a little longer to get in the Hall than it otherwise would.
The Dipsy
P.S. Spitting on an umpire is pretty bad. BUT what the umpire said to him (allegedly) was reprehensible
Posted: 09:21 PM on June 17, 2010