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Olney: “Phillies’ Priority Is a Starter”

Posted by Corey Seidman, Mon, June 28, 2010 06:04 PM | Comments: 16
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Buster Olney tweeted Monday afternoon that “the Phillies pre-trade deadline priority is a middle-of-the-rotation starter, probably someone higher in caliber than a [Jeremy] Guthrie.”

This is interesting news, because not too many “middle-of-the-rotation” starters on the market would be ideal fits, or suitable enough upgrades to warrant the trading of yet another batch of prospects.

Let’s explore some possibilities, while recognizing that “middle-of-the-rotation” obviously cancels out names such as Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt:

Brett Myers

MLBTradeRumors mentions Myers as a potential name, but it is hard to imagine Ruben Amaro trading for a guy that he willingly let walk. Myers had a controversial few seasons leading up to his departure – both on the field and off – and it seemed like by the time his contract was up, the front office was more than happy to rid themselves of what they perceived to be a headache.

It would not make much sense to trade for Myers, because the Phillies obviously cared so little about having him on the team that they failed to offer more than the one-year/$5M offer Ed Wade dished out in Houston.

Purposely not re-signing one of your own, and then trading a prospect or two to re-acquire that player midway through the season? Don’t count on this happening.

Ted Lilly

Lilly is an intriguing name with a nice track record, but several key factors prevent him from being a fit in Philly. First off, he is making $12M this season, the last of a four-year deal he signed with Cubs.

  • If the Phillies were to trade for him, they would either have to pay him upwards of six million dollars (a hefty price for a team “already over-budget”) or include better prospects in the deal in order to entice the Cubs to eat Lilly’s remaining salary.
  • Second, and probably more importantly, Lilly and Citizens Bank Park would not get along. He is the definition of a “fly ball pitcher,” as more than 50% of his balls in play the last several seasons have been in the air. As his career has developed, his fly ball rates have increased, and we all know how Citizens Bank Park plays.

(It’s a small sample size, but in 16 1/3 innings at CBP, Lilly has allowed four homers and pitched to the tune of a 7.16 ERA. Some of that could be due to the fact that the Phillies themselves have hit Lilly well, but he has pitched considerably better against them away from Citizens Bank Park.)

The pricetag that would comes with Lilly’s name, as well as the uninspiring fit he would be in this stadium, should sway Ruben Amaro from making a deal.

Edwin Jackson

Another name mentioned by MLBTR is Edwin Jackson – he of the eight-walk no-hitter. Jackson is a young pitcher who has shown flashes of brilliance, but he is neither cheap enough nor good enough RIGHT NOW for a contending team to give up a package of young talent.

Jackson makes $4.6M this year, $8.75M next year, and then enters free agency. When you factor in that trading for Jackson would likely cost the Phillies more (in terms of prospects) than any of the aforementioned pitchers, it is once again hard to imagine any deal making enough logical sense to Ruben Amaro.

Too much money and young talent for a wildly overrated pitcher who really only had one good year.

Fausto Carmona

Carmona has some of the ugliest walk and strikeout rates imaginable. Even in 2007, the one year he was good, Carmona struck out fewer than six batters per nine innings.

Since that time, he has had a bad 2008, a bad 2009, and an average-to-slightly-above-average 2010. Carmona is inducing a lot of groundballs and avoiding the home run, but his K/9 is a mere 4.86 and his BB/9 is 3.08, making for an ugly, Kyle Kendrick-ian strikeout-to-walk ratio.

The groundballs would play well at Citizens Bank Park, but once again, how much of an upgrade would Carmona be?

He is owed $5M this season, $6.1M next season, followed by club options in 2012, 2013, and 2014. The money is not a major hurdle because the Phillies would only have to pay about $8.5 million from now until the end of 2011, and could pick up Carmona’s options or set him free based on performance.

Of theses names, Carmona is probably the best fit, but not if the Indians ask for a ton.

Stand Pat?

If the Indians are willing to deal Carmona for a middling package, Amaro should jump on the opportunity. But if they want a significant return, it makes no sense to give up prospects rather than letting it ride with Kyle Kendrick and, hopefully, J.A. Happ.

If injuries pop up, the need for a starting pitcher will become greater, but if things stay the same, there is no reason to make a trade for the sake of making a trade.

 
 
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Or we could just trade for Cliff Lee…oh wait, we did that already?

    And then we traded him away?

    And now pitching is a priority at the trade deadline?

    No really, I swear,…..you can’t write this stuff.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Unless there is a problem with J.A. Happ coming back, I do not know why you would need another starter. Doc/Cole/JB/Moyer/Happ? Am I missing something? Lefty bullpen guy (that will be Scott Eyre) and righty bench bat. And you’re set. Right? Buster Olney, huh?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    In theory Dipsy you are correct, assuming no one gets hurt or there are no further set backs for Happ.

     
  • Posts: 0 Paul Boye

    Happ is not giving anyone any indication that he’ll be effective if/when he returns. Moyer has been great lately, but he’s had a good share of ball-in-play luck that may end soon. Blanton is so wishy-washy that he can hardly be banked on. I don’t see the trouble in trading for a second-tier SP to firm up the depth there.

    A lefty reliever would be a nice add, too, but upgrading the rotation would be more valuable.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    I wouldn’t count on Happ at all. A “don’t worry about it” two week DL stay has now turned into two months. His rehab has been slow with little to no progress to speak of. There’s got to be something going on that they haven’t pinpointed yet. I can’t see him being a factor this season.

    I’m Ted Bell.

     
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  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Anyone think this team should take a flyer on Garrett Atkins? Polly will probably land on the DL and while I like Valdez, I am not sure he is the guy to hold it down at 3rd. But he might be. I just think Atkins could possibly benefit from CBP and having his good buddy Utley around.

     
  • Posts: 0 Sean

    I’m not trying to knock anyone’s thunder or anything but you basically just gave us 4 unlikely fits as you mentioned in the article. What would Dan Haren do for this club?

     
  • Posts: 0 miked63

    @ed r ———– you are so right . I am 47 years old and in my lifetime the phils never had a situation like this. What i mean is , #1 great team #2 new park soldout everynite ( great revenue ) #3 the oppurtunity to put the nail in the coffin of NL for 3 more years at least. I dont want to hear a f#%kin thing about some prospects or payroll either. They would have been a little over so called budget 1 year if we kept lee. And if lee halladay , hamels means we lose some position players so be it ( werth)
    With those 3 pitchers , howard, utley , rollins , chooch, fill in the rest how u see it —– it could have been a real dynasty from 2008 to 2013.
    Imagine winning 2 or 3 more rings ! It was the only time i have seen that oppurtunity staring us right in the face and RAJ threw it away.

     
  • Posts: 0 Corey Seidman

    Sean:

    Dan Haren would cost a ton and there is no indication that the Phillies are looking for a top-end starter.

    The point is that none of these #3 starters are good enough to warrant financial consideration and young talent from the Phillies. It would be an example of making a move just to make a move.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    First post by Ed sums it up pretty well.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    The weak point in the Phils’ rotation is Kendrick. Lilly, Jackson, and Myers are all a little better, but Happ is too, and may still replace Kendrick.

    Carmona isn’t even the equal of a Kyle Kendrick baseball card.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Pedro! Nuff Said

     
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  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    I agree with Manny, Ed’s first comment sums it up perfectly. I think it would be a safe bet to say I’ll NEVER get over the Cliff Lee thing. You are ALWAYS going to need pitching….DUH!

     
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