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Phillies Back to Losing Ways as Yankees Rip Halladay

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, June 15, 2010 10:36 PM | Comments: 91
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How about we stop calling it a slump? Let’s just call it how we see it. These are the 2010 Philadelphia Phillies. Forget April and early May, the thought of that quick start is long gone in the rear view mirror. It’s now June and the Phillies are a third place club.  After tonight’s 8-3 loss to the New York Yankees on a night in which Roy Halladay was very hittable, this season is on its way to being a very, very long one.

Halladay went six innings and allowed six earned runs, but he also gave up three home runs, something he’s done only nine times in his career.  One of those homers -Mark Teixeira’s solo shot in the fifth inning – would be a long fly out in many other ballparks. Not tonight. Not at Yankee Stadium. Not against the Phillies. On this evening, against one of the best pitchers in all of baseball, Tex got that ball inside the foul pole and over the 314-foot wall. Nick Swisher’s broken bat home run sums it up as well. The Phillies are in full snowball mode.

Offensively speaking, the frustrations continue to run deep.  All three Phillies runs, and four of their five hits, came in the fourth inning against C.C. Sabathia. In that inning, they were able to string together a bunch of singles and turn them into a crooked number. Still, they left the bases loaded as Raul Ibanez softly grounded out to second base.  Once again, they were unable to build on a successful inning.

Following that outburst, if you will, the Phillies managed one more hit; a Chase Utley single in the fifth.

In previous seasons, that three run inning would have been a six or seven run inning, perhaps with a long-ball thrown in. That six or seven would become 12 or 13 by games end.  That’s no longer the case with this team. Soft ground balls have become the norm while explosive innings filled with home runs and rallies are a distant memory.

As we long for the days of yore – when scoring runs in bunches was in fashion, when slapping the opponent into submission was chic, when Roy Halladay actually won games (wasn’t that long ago, really) – understand that this might be the year in a nutshell. Hope and pray for better days, but brace for more of the same.

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  • Posts: 0 Scotch Man

    Now is the time where you kind of have to just sit back and enjoy the game of baseball. I took this approach from ’95-’06 and it seemed to work alright. It’s a lousy stretch of games here and maybe they don’t rebound. It’s a good team having a bad season. It’ll happen. They’ll go on a nice tear before long I’m sure.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian Sr. of CO

    Sorry folks, its panic time. Not throw in the towel season is over time, there is a difference, but something must be done. Chances are good we will be in 4th place by the end of the week, possibility of LAST place by the end of last week if something doesnt happen.

     
  • Posts: 0 Joba Chamberlain

    I was really looking forward to pitching in a tough spot tonight but my boys touched up Doc so nicely my services weren’t even needed.

    Now we go for the sweep!!!!!!! Wish we could play philly more often!!!!!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian Sr. of CO

    Bright side, Braves and Marlins lost. Bad thing, Mutts won.

     
  • Posts: 0 AC from NJ

    It’s pretty hard being a Phils fan living in NY right now…it is a tough environment. I’m so fed up with Juan Castro…what a joke, can’t hit, missed balls in the field tonight…

    Is he really any improvement over Bruntlett??

    We need JRoll back and soon

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Sadly I am not sure JRoll is the answer…… I mean I think a lot of people are expecting him to be the second coming of Christ

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    It’s not yet “panic time.” “Very worried time,” yes, but not “panic time”.

    Sabathia isn’t exactly chopped liver, but the Phils did score three runs off of him. The real problem in this game was that Halladay had one of his rare off days.

    This team has always been one for scoring big in one inning, but doing nothing the rest of the game. The big inning tonight came against a pitcher who is very able to bear down and not allow more once he’s been touched up a little. Most of the time, three runs would be enough with Halladay pitching.

    And yes, Castro is a huge improvement over Bruntlett. The Beard isn’t even playing these days, not that he could in 2009, either.

     
  • Posts: 0 Adam C

    Where is Happ….and when is he due back?

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    This sucks. This team is becoming unwatchably bad, which is scary with this payroll. Aside from the games I have tickets to I will give them a pass until the World Cup is over, and if they don’t have it sorted by then they’re in deep trouble. Get rid of Ibanez, fast. And bring up Brown. The dressing room got to full of itself and it needs a wake up call. You can’t really trade anyone else because they’re too good when they are on. Raul is really the only one on this team you can unload. But his salary makes it tough, so you’re stuck with him. They can only afford to trade for a 3rd or 4th starter this season after losing all those prospects, so I wouldn’t expect anything more than that this year, maybe some bullpen help. This cold streak better end by Saturday because I do not intend to sit through 3 hours of this stuff if they cannot muster a good offensive performance.

    Its sad that they have to keep sending Moyer and Kendrick out there. Moyer hasn’t even been the problem this year, and its nothing against him, its just sad that this team has to rely on a 50 year old man basically every 5th day. When you put it in that perspective Moyer is really amazing in that he is outperforming a few starters young enough to be his sons. On top of all that, we trade for Halladay and then the offense dies in his first year here.

    There really isnt much you can do: cut Raul and eat all that money, bring up the kid Brown, play Francisco, I dunno. They are so committed to big money contracts they have little choice but to stand still and hope it works out.

     
  • Posts: 0 MikeB.

    I would not go with Castro being a huge improvement over Bruntlett, just an improvement.

     
  • Posts: 0 MikeB.

    The team, with the offense the way it is right now does not have the ability to support starts by Kendrick and Moyer.

     
  • Posts: 0 mr south jersey

    phils best figure out a way to start stealing signs again, no one is really talking about it but the team has seriously struggled since that story broke

     
  • Posts: 0 Mark

    and the Braves are still playing Brian CO

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    not making the playoffs.
    period.

    so. thats that.

     
  • Posts: 0 karen

    I am not going cliff lee but….seattle is a team that was supposed to be a first place team after off season gains…..so, its not just us

     
  • Posts: 0 MysteryMet

    Good evening Philladelphia wow it is time to push the panic button for real out there huh, I mean no runs being score, no more stealing signs, the pitching sucks, bullpen sucks, I wonder what Halladay is thinking right now, I bet he’s wondering that he should’ve came to the Mets (or the Mutts like you guys call them) I mean spacious pitcher freindly ballpark, young core, good pitching, man I bet he has a gun to his head right now wishing he was a Met. Well here’s to ya Roy on a bad decision you made.

     
  • Posts: 0 Johan Santana

    At least you have a shot Roy!! The damn Mets conned my ass!! i could have just held at for a year an went to the Yankees. Instead I went to the Mets and got to watch C.C. and Cliff Lee pitch in the World Series. hell even Pedro was lucky enought to play for the Phillies and have one last taste of the post season. I should have listened to Pedro and just stayed in Minnesota after all they are in first place.

     
  • Posts: 0 MysteryMet

    Oh Johan it’s ok don’t worry, becuase soon you’ll ge Beltran back, and there’s going to be another pitcher behind you, also you have a good team playing for you, don’t worry about the Phillies anymore, cuz they have no farm system, they have no pitching, and they have a bunch of old guys that couldn’t hit a beach ball, also they have bad contracts, so from here on out you never have to worry about the phillies anymore cuz that’s a team that went down the drain, and has no future ahead of them, so the NL East will be all yours again

     
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  • Posts: 0 Phriggin Phils

    Don’t worry! Doc had a bad night but, with our one-two punch, we’ll bounce right back! Cliff Lee dominated the Yankees in the WS and, with him following Doc, we can’t lose! We’ll pull… oh… wait… I forgot. We dumped him. Never mind. We deserve to lose. NY is our daddy.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    Karen, Seattle was “supposed” to be better, the Phillies had a track record of being great with the same roster. Big difference, only thing that has changed from last year is the pitching, bench and 3 big injuries(Happ, Rollins, Madson) Seattle did a roster overhaul.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    I know I am going to get some serious flack for saying this, but I thought long and hard before bringing it up.

    We keep talking about change and something has to be done, we have no flexibility in money, because we have lots of high priced talent. Right now it seems as if Charlie’s laid back approach is just not working, the team is not responding to him at all.

    I think it is time to maybe thank Charlie for his body of work and move on to a different coach, one that has a different demeanor.
    I mean this is not a losing streak it has become a way of playing. We have several that look lost at the plate and have for a month, 1 person happens, but 3-4 especially your best hitters (Utley, Werth, Ibanez, Victorino) I give Howard a pass cause he has actually hit during this just not Home Runs. Him and Polanco are keeping this team a float.

    Bring in a new hitting coach is not going to change much, the Manager has the power!

     
  • Posts: 0 Randomguy

    Don’t fudge with my gaga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

     
  • Posts: 0 Phriggin Phils

    Do you think that, if the Phils go back to being pathetic losers, the trolls won’t be as motivated to come here any more? Seems sad that thee best time to talk about your team without trolls ruining it is when your team is at its worst.

     
  • Posts: 0 HotDogs

    It’s not just the losing it’s the way they are losing. 2nd inning posada scores from first because victorino can’t hold onto the ball in center. 7th inning bastardo hits two guys utley cant turn a double play and castro cant stop a ground ball wich would have at least saved a run. Raul up in the 5th with bases loaded swings at 2-0 pitch out of the zone. they need a shake up.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Jeff I kind of agree with you. I have never been a huge Charlie guy and I have said it before but him not having a strong strategic bench coach like Jimy Williams is not helping him out at all. I was willing to stick it out with Charlie because the team was winning and because the guys genuinely loved playing for him. But as is the case with most if not all coaches, eventually your message gets stale. Eventually guys stop listening to you. I don’t know if that is the case here or not. I was afraid last year that the team after winning it all would become cocky and complacent. That didn’t happen but it seems like it might have this year. All the guys seem to think that eventually they will just come out of it and it will be ok because that is who this team is. Maybe they say that because it’s really all they can say or should say but it still somewhat bothers me.

    I very seriously doubt that Charlie is going anywhere, not this year and unless they finish in last place, not next year either. But I do think something drastic should happen.

    On paper this team is better than last year’s version. We upgraded at 3B. Upgraded our bench(we did upgrade it) slightly, Roy for Lee is a wash but Hamels is better than he was last year and with the exception of his last start so is Moyer. Lidge is back and seems to be doing well. Yes this team has injuries but last year when the Met’s were suffering through a miserable season, mostly attributed to injuries no one here wanted to give them credit, instead they just said the Met’s suck. By that logic the same should be said about this team that we all watch every night. If injuries didn’t effect how the Met’s did last year then we can’t really use it as a crutch for this year. I can only hope and pray that when J-Roll, Happ and Madson come back that this team rights itself and we charge forward to another division title but honestly, at this point, I am very concerned that this year just won’t ever come to fruition. I really don’t expect much of anything from Happ at all and J-Roll’s injury will probably linger. Sad to say it but I think this team’s window may have closed shortly after it opened. But I hope I am wrong.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kate

    OH. MY. GOD.

    “…when Roy Halladay actually won games.” Are you serious? ARE YOU SERIOUS? The guy has a bad night that started out with a bunch of bad calls in the second (directly leading to all those runs) and all of a sudden he’s a has-been? Let’s not forget that even in CBP Teixeira’s “home run” would have barely even bounced off the wall.

    Yes, things are looking bad. I for one am very concerned about Howard’s swing and Utley’s tired confusion turning to utter DISINTEREST last night, but the defense is still working rather well. Polanco stopped a number of disasters in the making and Howard stopped that one line drive right in its tracks.

    I’m not ready to panic yet. August and September is our time.

    I for one can’t wait for Rollins to get back and crack some skulls together.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Where did the power go???

    We’re a weak lineup without the longball.. Utley, Howard, Werth and Ibanez are all supposed to be home run threats.. but these days the best thing they do is get singles. Freaking singles.

    My biggest frustration is with Howard. He’s there to drive in runs, hit bombs, change the outcome of a game with a swing, as he has done many times throughout his career. Suddenly he can’t go deep. If it’s because he’s lost too much weight, I’d say he should stop eating healthy (Subway) and gain some pounds.

    I want the longball back!

    (Though maybe the fact that they’re all trying to hit bombs is what’s prolonging this offensive drought… rather than making good solid contact. Oh well.)

     
  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    Strange but true: Jonny Gomes is having a better year than anybody on the Phillies right now. Yikes!

    Tonight and tomorrow night won’t be pretty folks. It’s probably the perfect time to forget about watching the games and spend some quality time with the family. I’d say that the over/under for runs allowed by Moyer and Kendrick will be 15. If I were betting I’d take the over.

    I’m Ted Bell.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Manny, I think a lot of it has to do with Utley, Werth, Howard and Ibanez all seeing a lot less fastballs than they have in the past.

    I don’t think Ibanez will ever get his power back, everything he hits(just about everything) is an awkward looking single through the first and second base hole.

    I do think the rest of them will get their power stroke back at some point but I too am concerned with Howard. His average is up but his power is way way down.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    HRs are down across the board in both leagues. The common consensus is that drug testing is working.

    If you like numbers, this post specifically looks at Howard:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/ryan-howards-odd-decline/

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    There are 100 games left… I’m pretty confident that the Phillies can win 60 of them and get 92 wins on the season.


    When the Braves STARTED the season in a slump, did their fans all start crying and complaing, and declaring the season over??

    So why now that the Phillies are in their typical early-season slump (granted its usually not this late into the season when it happens), why is the season over?
    We normally suck balls in Interleague Play… so that doesn’t concern me right now, they usually add Bullpen and Bench help at the deadline, or on waivers before the playoffs start.

    but seriously, with 100 games to go.. anyone that doesn’t think the Phillies will rebound and make the playoffs, you should just stop paying attention now… go enjoy your summer, and spare the real fans from your daily complaints

     
  • Posts: 0 PaulyPizza

    everyone needs to clam down. the season is barely 70 games old. We will get J roll , Happ, and Madison in a week period. This team is too good to keep on losing and being ineffectual offensively. The Braves will come down to earth. The Mutts will be Mutts and choke on their own chop deep eventually.
    Phillies will start kicking *(* and taking names soon enough.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I think the problem that we are seeing is akin to a snowball rolling down a hill. Any team can go through a 5-7 game hitting slump but this team, instead of breaking it back down to basics and waiting for pitches and working counts, like they do in the playoffs and WS, and like the Yanks and Sox do all the time, are getting anxious and swinging at bad pitches. And its just keeps getting worse. When a team is in a slump, no pitcher will ever give you a fastball to hit if you will swing at all the breaking stuff.

    The Phillies, as much as it may NOT work in the first or second game or maybe even third, must start taking pitches and getting in hitters counts so they can start getting fastballs to hit again. At the same time you can get into the teams’ horrible bullpens. Like Denzel said: This approach…”is like Novocaine. Give it time. It’ll work. Alas, that one coach from another team is right, “Just throw the Phils breaking pitches and they are all yours”. So the Dipsy’s prescription would be to start playing station to station baseball and get some plate discipline back. Play hit and run with the right guys. Start trying to steal again.

    Yes, losing Jimmy hurts a lot. But Charlie is turning into Earl Weaver. TAKE PITCHES. WALK. STEAL. BUNT. Damn, there is more than one way to score than a three run homer.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 hot dogs

    Don the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I am not giving up on the season we are still only 3 1/2 back. The lack of fight in this team is what scares me now. If we could expect them to just turn it around like the last few years then why make any changes at all. This team is to good for the way they are playing and it is painfull for any fan to watch.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Last year at the end of June (after a TERRIBLE month of June), the Phillies were 39-35 overall = .527 win %
    (11-15 in June 2009)


    in 2008 at the end of June (after another losing month of June), the Phillies were 44-39 overall =.530 win %

    and 12-14 in June 2008


    we’re currently 32-30 = .516 win %

    with 14 more games this month, so even if we keep playing TERRIBLE, and only play .500 ball until the end of the month, we’ll be looking at a 39-37 record thru 76 games, with still 86 more to play …

    .500 ball thru the final 86 games would give us 43 wins after June = 82 overall

    So im actually really, really confident that the Phillies still win 90+ games, since they are a great 2nd-half team, and hopefully they’ll get their most important overall player back .. their Leadoff hitter, and their Shortstop

     
  • Posts: 0 Paul

    Good point Dipsy, but the Phillies hitters seem to be good at taking a pitch, that is the first one for a strike, and then flailing away at junk after that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Look at the teams we just played …. the Red Sox 6 times, and now the Yankees, with Sabathia on the hill, in their ballpark ..

    pretty tough teams to break out of a slump against …

    I think there should be no arguement as to Shane Victorino’s crappiness in the leadoff spot .. This team was built to have Rollins on base, Polanco move him over, and then Utley, Howard hitting with a guy in scoring position

    Victorino has now hit leadoff in 51 games already.. hitting .265, with a .321 OBP%

    Rollins, while not the ideal leadoff man for many teams, started the year great for us … and his career numbers from the leadoff spot are .279 average, .335 OBP%

    This team, a perenial 2nd half powerhouse, needs to get its roster back and healthy.. and then I get to kick all of you haters (the “this season’s over” crowd), right in the nuts

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Ibanez looks like he’s trying to pull the ball and hit a home run with every swing… the Yankee announcer said it best last night ” Raul is at his best when he’s going gap to gap.” He has power but that’s not his strength… hitting all those HR’s at the beginning of last season might have been the worst thing that could have happened to him. He’s gotta get back to his strengths. It’s kind of funny because Raul has actually gotten better as the season has progressed… he has been raising his average and seeing more pitches but I still think he’s pressing. In a way, that’s the problem with this entire team… everyone is caught up in the slump. They’re trying to turn it around with one swing and that ain’t gonna happen. Werth has one multi-hit game in his last 17 and one HR over that span. Surprisingly, he still leads the NL in doubles. Utley has two multi-hit games over that span and 0 HR. Howard has been solid…hitting .280 (hits in 10 of the previous 12 games) but he’s not carrying the team like we know he’s capable of doing. Maybe they’re all just waiting to slip the switch after the all-star break.

    Getting Jimmy back will give us a huge lift; in the clubhouse, defensively and at the plate… as bad as the top of the order has been, the bottom of the order has been even worse. 7-8 hitters and PH are hitting .204 over that 17 game span with 0 HR (that’s excluding pitchers… so you might as well turn the TV off when the bottom of the order comes up). Slide Jimmy into the leadoff spot and move Shane down and things change dramatically.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Ed R. …….

    “Roy for Lee is a wash” ????

    Wait a second….Roy is BETTER than Lee and we all know that. And Hamels IS better than last year (which doesn’t surprise me at all)

    In fact, I think the Phillies felt all along that Hamels would rebound and be a VERY GOOD #2….and that made it so much easier for them to trade Lee.

    Halladay and Hamels as #1 and #2 is CLEARLY so much better than Lee and Hamels from last year (or Hamels and Lee if you’re positioning them that way).

    ————-

    Yeah, and everybody KEEPS FORGETTING about the Phils’ records through June the past two seasons. I am also VERY CONFIDENT that the second half will yield better results. Getting J-Roll back is HUUUUGGGGEEEE!! I almost guarantee you will see a much different team on the field with him back in the lineup.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Don…

    I’ll hold them while you do the kicking.

     
  • Posts: 0 PaulyPizza

    Polanco is Money!

     
  • Posts: 0 PaulyPizza

    we should have kept Lee and dump blankton!

     
  • Posts: 0 SpinJamin

    The Phillies right now just look like a beaten team. Something needs to spark them because right now they aren’t picking each other up. Just seems like during the game once ONE wrong thing happens its like it affects the whole team. The ABs are awful. They aren’t trying to take what they are given and instead trying to rely on what they have done in the past……hitting home runs……as the way to break out of this. Bottom line is that pitchers look very comfortable on the mound against the Phillies almost knowing that all they have to do is not groove a fastball down the middle and the Phillies will pull off or roll it over because they are trying to pull everything and hit home runs to make up for the lack of production recently.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Getting J-roll back is HUGE, I agree…. IF that injury doesn’t linger….

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think our team right now is still better than the 2008 team… Lidge was money, obviously but the rest of the team is better overall

    Hamels now the #2 behind Halladay, Blanton is still Blanton.. and Happ, Moyer, Kendrick.. whoever is pitching best at the time will be #3 and #4

    Our lineup is better top-to-bottom, and a bullpen with Durbin, Romero, Madson, Contreras, Lidge is among the best in baseball

     
  • Posts: 0 Chris.I

    I have to disagree with Jeff…I think once Jimmy comes back the Phillies, and the fans are going to go on a HUGE winning spree down the stretch. I hope he returns during a home game, and the park plays Eminems song ”Guess whos back” so loud that the sidewalks in Trenton will tremble.

    ”Guess who’s back…Back again…J-rolls back…Tell a friend

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Wait til crunch time….this team is gonna kick A$$ !!!

    I would imagine that Blanton will find his form….remember he’s still adjusting to starting the season late after his stint on the DL. Same with Happ when he returns….but look for him to put together a nice string of outings at some point.

    Hamels is a STRONG #2….and I actually think he’s excelling in that role. The pressure of being the ace is gone….but he’s still a #2 …..so it’s really not that much of a “demotion” …. In fact, I’ll go out on a limb and say that maybe he’s better as the #2 than if he was a #3 behind Lee??

    And Moyer has been a nice surprise.

     
  • Posts: 0 branderson

    Bye Bye bandwagon fans hop off whenever you’d like. I may only be 19 but I’ve watched some terrible teams since I started watching as many games as possible starting in 1996. If you want to dismiss the Phils now, be my guest but I think it is just kind of sad. Turning your back on your team? Disgusting.

    These Phillies are the same team from the past few years who have shown time and time again they have fight in them. This IS just a slump. The writer of this article needs to relax and realize how similar this team is to last years NL Champs. You think Werth Howard and Utley are just done producing? You think Rollins can’t come back and make an impact?

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    And to respond to whoever suggested that Charlie be fired….because his message is “stale” or “old” or however it was phrased…..

    Charlie knows his team….knows the situation….better than any of us…..and he knows that at some point this team wil gel and go on a tear.

    That’s why it makes absolutely no sense for him to change anything in his approach…or for the Phillies to replace him.

     
 
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