We’re Witnessing Something Special with Jamie Moyer

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, June 23, 2010 12:33 PM | Comments: 80

Following Jamie Moyer’s eight-inning shutdown of the Indians, he was his stoic self in the clubhouse afterward.  As pitchers often are, Moyer’s analysis of his performance was monotone in delivery. He answered questions about tying Robin Roberts with his 505th home run allowed, the most all-time. “Today, he’s probably smiling at me, or, laughing at me.” He also spoke about Jimmy Rollins: “It’s a good feeling to have key players back.”

But what spoke volumes, to me, was the way he hung around well after he needed to. Most players speak their piece and off they go for the night. They speak in cliches and give the bare minimum in terms of quotes for the paper. Moyer stayed late and shot the breeze with a few writers and flies on the wall like myself. Pretty cool to listen to him just talk about the game like a young kid, when he could have been on his way home.

That is special. He’s a student at heart, no matter his age. He enjoys speaking about the game; as he has matured into years where the usual player has been on the golf course for a decade, he continues to love the game with unbridled passion. Moyer may not laugh and smile like Jimmy Rollins, but the joy is there.  He just does it in his own way.

Prior to the season, many (including myself) were led to believe Moyer was through. What else could we believe? A 47-year old starter coming off a rough 2009 campaign would surely be a candidate to be canned.  He’s proven the nay-sayers wrong again as he creeps closer to 50. Will this magic last through seasons end? Hard to say. But it’s always fun seeing things that have never been done.

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  • Posts: 0 Scotch Man

    I’m glad he proved all the “We gotta get rid of him” folks wrong! He’s a gamer!

  • Posts: 0 Chris.I

    I have to agree, and whats funny is he started off so shakey but he found his rythem and has been mowing teams down these passed 3-4 games

  • Posts: 0 Barb

    This was such a great, great post. Thanks for sharing your experience with us fans. We never get the opportunity to be up close and personal with the players. This gives us a taste of what it must be like.

    Moyer is just phenomonal. There’s no better word to describe him better.We are witnessing something special in a season where we’ve witnessed some hardships and disappointments. Karma comes in equal measures I believe.

    It’s nice to know that Moyer is a scholar as well as a generous giver of his time and passion.

    Hats off to Jamie Moyer! You deserve our respect.

  • Posts: 0 Dan

    A 47-year old starter coming off a He’s proven the nay-sayers

    i think some words are missing here

  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    I really love watching Jamie Moyer pitch. because he does it the right way. It is a pitching clinic every time he’s on the mound. Every young kid that wants to learn how to pitch should be studying Moyer’s every move. He is something special.

  • Posts: 0 deal

    Just heard Radio Inteview w/ Digger Phelps who alluding to the fact that he (Phelps) was having a critical cancer diagnosis the wkend of Moyers Bad outing in Boston.

    Digger(Moyer’s Father in-law) felt as though that may have contributed to Moyer having is mind on other things and leading to the bad outing. Since then Jamie has put up back to back great outings.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    But Dipsy wants to trade him. Read the other thread.

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Yeah, I do wanna trade him. In short – buy high, sell low.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Paul

    Moyer is one of those guys it’s fun to root for because he’s such a class act.

    If Moyer keeps this up, Happ comes back strong, and the Phils start scoring for Halladay, this 4.5-game hole they’re in won’t look so big.

  • Posts: 0 P.J.

    I really think if he gets to 275 this year, the Phils have to consider bringing him back for another year with some sort of vesting option for a second (if he even wants to keep going). If he gets to 275 this year, he’s got a shot at 300 and it would be in the Phils interest to try and help him get that 300 — which puts him in the Hall.

    And if he’s with the Phils two more years, has a WS (or maybe more) and his 300th with this team, he might go in the Hall wearing the Phils on his hat.

    That being said, the vesting part of the contract has to be worded well. Because if he comes back and goes 5-15, I don’t think the 300 will obviously happen and they wouldn’t have to worry about keeping him around for the following year. Though if he went 5-15, I have a feeling he wouldn’t want to come back…

  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Are you people nuts? This guy has a few good outings and you want him sainted. Guess what? Jamie Moyer is not a good pitcher anymore. He lives on the outside of the outside of the outside corner. If he doesn’t get the pitch from the ump, he gets killed. Simple as that. I want Jamie to pitch well, just as I want all our pitchers to pitch well but please stop with the signing him for one more year baloney. Hey, I’d give him the going rate for a fifth starter but he won’t take it – so later. I will gladly rethink all of this if we are looking at him in August with 13 or 14 wins and a 4.20 ERA (wow, what expectations!). News flash – 300 wins does not get him in the Hall.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Isn’t it the other way around….buy low, sell high??

    If you had your way, Mr. GM, Moyer would be gone by the deadline, Jermaine Dye would be patrolling left and Scott Eyre would be here by August.

    None of which have ANY chances of happening.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    300 wins and he’s in. But he won’t get to 300. So save that debate.

    As for the 13 or 14 wins….he has a great shot at that.

    So why not a cheap, one-year, incentive-based contract?? WHY NOT??

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  • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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    I’m not calling the guy a Saint, just letting you in on last night after a very good performance. Why cant he be celebrated? He’s been sh*t on enough throughout his tenure for being too old, not good enough. Ride with him while it’s good. It may not last. Or it may last, who the hell knows.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    300 wins gets him to the HoF, Dipsy. He’s already 9th on the career list for wins by a lefty. And he has more wins than anyone over the age of 40.

    And as for the “outside of the outside” argument….so what!!. The fact that he knows how to live there and “convince” the umpire (more times than not) shows just how good he is. “Crafty” and “wily” are two words that come to mind.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    reposted from previous page:

    At what point will people realize that Moyer has helped us in each of the past 3 seasons??

    Nobody is trading anything useful for a 47-year old pitcher … he’s on our team to stay, and so far, that’s a good thing.

    Who cares what HIS record is.. i only care about what the Phillies record is when he pitches. . . for whatever reason, the bats usually show up when he’s on the mound, except for his last two starts, when they needed him to fool hitters, and he did

    his last two starts:
    16 innings,
    3 Earned Runs (all via solo HR)
    10 Ks
    5 Hits
    2 walks

    which has lowered his ERA by .60 .. from 5.03, to a respectable 4.43

    only 8 NL starters have lower ERA, and more wins than Moyer

    and his ERA is better than:
    Derek Lowe, Randy Wolf, Dan Haren, Ricky Nolasco, Aaron Cook, Aaron Harang, Edwin Jackon, Randy Wells, and many more

    Time to give props to the Phillies front office, for ignoring the fan base, and keeping Jamie Moyer around, realizing that the season is 162 games long, and you’ll need as many quality arms as possible

  • Posts: 0 bureaucratist

    It’s also not true that he lives on the outside. A majority of his pitches may be aimed there, but he lives inside. That’s where he gets his strikeouts and his jam-job grounders and it’s where he goes when he needs a big out. I don’t get to see many Phillies games because I live outside the area (and am too broke for the MLB internet package), so I watch a lot of games on MLB Gameday. It’s awesome when Moyer pitches; not a single location in the middle of the plate.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Just when I was starting to like you Dipsy, I do see your point, that if some team came at you with a great offer for Moyer, you may have to look at it, but the Phillies are not trading Moyer. And it has been more than 1 or 2 bad outings, he has had 2 maybe 3 really bad outings, but even those with the exceptions of the Boston game he gave up 4 or 5 runs in an inning and then settled down. So you need to get over this one bad outing stuff. He is a fifth starter and if he goes 2 out of three starts like these last two I will take that from a #5 guy. He has a one hit complete game shut out, another complete game, just this year. There is just too much hate for the guy from you, you really do not like to be wrong that much. I mean I was kind of wrong last year about Pedro, though he did run out of gas in the WS. I admitted it was a good signing and it helped the team and then you move on. You never liked the way he pitches, and now he is proving you wrong that he can still win games and the hate still comes spewing out in your posts. This has been what 4 out of his last 5 starts have been better then good, celebrate it, and admit the guy is going to win more games than he losses for this team and enjoy it

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think the “if he doesn’t get the pitch on the outside” arguement is pretty lame .. because its not anything that is specific to Moyer.


    Moyer, Halladay, Lester, Sabatahia, Santana, Carpenter … if they aren’t getting calls on the corners, they have to bring their pitches over the plate. and ALL PITCHERS get hit around the park if they leave pitches over the plate

    A few years ago we would’ve killed for even a #2 starter that had a winning record, a low WHIP, and sub 4.50 ERA … now when Moyer is our #4-#5 starter, people are complaining about those numbers

    He’s got no trade value, as his contract runs out .. the Phillies should, and will, keep Moyer here and disrupt the timing of the opponents hitters, pitch as many innings as he can, and help the Phillies win another NL EAST title

  • Posts: 0 George

    I think some people are missing the point with this post. Pat Gallen only mentions Moyer’s skills in passing. This post mostly is praise for Moyer’s character and attitude.

    In my opinion, that character and attitude are why Moyer has defied age for so long, and his character and attitude will probably help him to continue defying age.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Plus look at his era and that is one game where he gave up 9 runs in one inning for an 81.0 ERA and a game where he gave up 5 in the first and none for 6 innings after that. So he either gives up 5 runs or 2 you would not take that from #5 guy

  • Posts: 0 john dinger

    jamie moyer needs to be gone sent back to the bull pen and the phillies needs to get rid of raul ibanez and jimmy rollins they are either getting worse or always getting hurt

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    John what is your problem Raul actually has been hitting around .300 for two weeks not great but better, this is the first time in 3 years JRoll has any significant injury, and Jamie Moyer has just pitched 16 innings of 3 run 4 hit baseball. What are you a Mets fan and want to pick them up or something, or a Braves fan who is already starting to worry since the Phillies gained on game last night

  • Posts: 0 john dinger

    the phillies are getting worse as the the months go on yeah they beat the indians who r they they need to fire the manager the hitting coach and the batting coach they will not go the the playoffs this year because of the way the mets and the braves are playing i been a phillies fan for 25 years now and this is the worse i seen them play its like they r throwing these games like the chicago black soxes

  • Posts: 0 George

    The Boston game was the one that really killed Moyer’s ERA. Before that game, it was under 4.00. It’s once again headed in that direction. Not many fourth-fifth starters have Moyer’s numbers; in fact I doubt if there are any. His wins aren’t all because the Phils’ offense scores big.

    In the past two and a half seasons he’s won 30 games, despite being relegated to the bullpen in the second half last year. Say what you will about the offense; some of his games the team hasn’t scored any better than they have for the rest of the staff, yet he still keeps leading the team in wins. Sure, he’s old, but that doesn’t make him bad. So far this season, it hasn’t even made him average.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Really John 25 years and this is the worst that they have played since then? Really? What where you asleep for the ninties when they were losing 90 games a year and you could not pay anyone enough to play here. I have been a fan since 1971/72 and they were some pretty bad teams then, a lot worse than this team, 72 Carlton won 28 games and phillies won 60 or something like that, now that was a bad team, a bad team with core players that were good and evetually great but a bad team. This team has potential All stars at every position, No way JRoll should go this year, and I am not even sure about Utley this year, but come on and come out of the closet you are a mets fan right

  • Posts: 0 George

    He either gives up five runs or two? So what, when most of the time it’s two. Even an ace gives up a lot of runs sometimes, like Halladay did against Boston and NY. And please name me one fifth starter besides Moyer with two complete games and several more of seven or more innings. Name me one fifth starter who has lasted six in all his starts except two.

    In fact, name me one FOURTH starter who’s done that.

    Further, I’ll point out that in 2008 Moyer went 16-8, had an ERA of under 4.00, and ran off a streak of 15 straight quality starts. Fifth starter numbers, for sure.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    George that was my point, I agree with your your 4/5 guys is going to get hit around sometimes, just like Aces, not as many games but if Moyer has 2 games where he gives up 2 runs and one he gives up 5 I will take that from any 4/5 starter. Because you know what if this offense ever performs up to what it is capable of some of those five runs games he may even win. Just like KK if he has 2 good to great outings and one bad I would take that from him also. Sorry if it sounded like I was bashing the guy, I am one of the few that has had his back for the last two years on here

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    good thing John Dinger chimed-in …

  • Posts: 0 George

    Worst play in 25 years? John Dingbat must have missed some of those late eighties teams. I saw them play against Los Angeles a year before they acquired Dykstra. Talk about zombies! They acted like they wanted to be anywhere but at the ballpark, and that would have included Hell.

  • Posts: 0 George


    I misread your intent with your Moyer comment; sorry. I think the lack of a question mark after the last sentence is what threw me.

  • Posts: 0 ActuallyChilled

    guys, chill out. moyer is the man, end of story.

  • Posts: 0 Evan

    Jamie has like 8 kids? There’s a reason he doesn’t want to go home after the game.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Check out John Dinger’s website….oh, that’s right….”Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage.”

    Figures his webpage is non-’existent…..just like his logic.

  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Jamie Moyer is a saint. In fact the Catholic and Mennonite churches are going to lionize him in the near future. His spit will be turned into holy water and Ruben Amaro will sign him in August to another two-year incentive-laden contact as an incentive to get him to 300 wins. He will be under Phil Niekro’s tutelege as he masters the knuckler and knuckle curve. Moyer will pitch for three more years. And he will reach 300 victories. He will be inducted into the Hall of Fame as an old-timer, but that will take place only two years after he retires. The stadium will be changed to Moyer Park and he will succeed Charlie Manuel, who will retire in three years, as the manager of the Phils. Kensington will change its name to Moyerville and Olney will change it to Moyertown.

  • Posts: 0 Nunzio Scholeri

    Evan, that is an excellent and hilarious point.

    Dipsy, get over your prejudices and give the man the respect he deserves.

    I’ve been behind Moyer since before the season started, and he’s only surpassed even my expectations. He’s matching Halladay win for win, he has not one but TWO complete games (does anyone not named Halladay or Moyer have a complete game yet?)… his good starts this year have been truly stunning, and as is being pointed out everywhere, take away the Blip in Boston and his ERA is 3.5something. Hell, take away some rough early starts where he was finding his footing after 3 (3!) offseason surgeries, and I’m sure it’s even lower. Another interesting stat to ponder: despite that one-inning start in Boston, he has still pitched more innings than anyone on this team not named Halladay. He is doing everything we could possibly ask of him and more.

    If he runs out of gas later in the season, well, that’s a shame, but for now, he is the man. There are a helluva lot of teams that would love to have a guy as good as Moyer for a #3 starter, and so far this year he’s been our #3 starter. If other guys improve or he slips and he ends up back as a #4/5 starter, whatever – we’re still doing great.

    If he’ll take a relatively cheap, incentive-laden, one-year-at-a-time deal, I’d love to have him back in 2011. The way it looks right now, there’s no reason he can’t be just as good next year.

  • Posts: 0 TBOH

    The man’s unkillable. Has nothing to do with baseball. Just can’t die. And decided to be a ball player.

  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    In Sellersville, where Moyer grew up, they are changing Main Street to Moyer Drive. The high school will be known as Moyer High and the local park — Moyer field. The public golf course will be Moyer Green. They even have a sandwich called The Moyer. Soon he will be hawking a longevity treatment called Moyer Clean for the colon.

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  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Sorry guys, never liked Moyer. He was classless when the made the move to stick him in the bullpen last season. Went public. Not a good move on his part being a me guy. I still do not trust him. He can still have teams errupt for ten runs in the first. He does better off of young teams like Cleavland. The sox lit him up like a camel cig. Trade him today for bullpen help. do it ruby….fire yourself as well for killing this team.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    Dobbs cleared waivers. Off to LHV for him.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    Well, Moyer has been way better than expected and Halladay worse than expected.

    Evens out I guess.

  • Posts: 0 Greg

    How has Halladay been worse than expected? We’ve given him about 10 runs over 20 starts lol.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    How is Halladay “worse than expected”??

    With run support, he would have like 3, maybe 4 more wins.

    His FIVE complete games lead the NL.

    His ERA is 2.43

    He has 98 Ks to 16 walks.

    Oh, and he pitched a PERFECT GAME.

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  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Halladay also leads the NL in:

    IP – 115
    shutouts – 3
    batters faced – 464
    BB per 9 innings – 1.3
    strikeout to walk ratio – 6.13

    Yeah, I’m really sorry he’s on the Phillies….definitely “worse than expected”

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    With run support (and without the bullpen meltdown on Sat), Cole Hamels would probably have 10 wins.

    Name me another #1 and #2 combination that’s any better right now than Halladay and Hamels.

  • Posts: 0 teejvee


    What was I thinking.

    Everything is great . Halladay is infallibel. None of the 11 hits v the Twins were his fault. None of those runs he gave up vs. Yankees and Red sox were his fault.

    It’s all the rest of the team’s fault.

    My bad .I should have known.

  • Posts: 0 Pat Gallen

    Jeff and his normally negative messages. Can’t please them all I guess.

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