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Yea get em next time.

REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY,4 AGAISNT THE CARDS,THIS COULD GET UGLY!!!!!!!

Pathetic.

I WILL STICK WITH THEM TILL THE END,BUT THIS REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree I mean I like doc and all but lee was just better team chemistry with the team imo…yeah we could have lee and drabek in this rotation instead of just doc but ruin had to ruin things…I hope he likes seeing lee in new york because lee will go to one of them…

Enough from the clowns! Oh so now its the lee vs doc team chemistry debate? The 2010 phils just dont have it. The End. Yall come back now. In 2011…

I hope howard is hitting they are paying lots and lots. This team should of sat down with Lee and inked him to a huge contract. God I miss him on the mound. The way he would run off the field after the inning. The intensity he brought to this team. He had fire and passion. Crap he destroyed the Yankees in the world series. the city of philly loved this guy but ruin had to have his guy. doc is a hall of fame pitcher but i think he is wrong for this city and team. plus over the past three years lee has better numbers across the board. kills me.

Jeff wtf are u smokn? Ryan is hitting. No one else is. What part of lee saying no discount dont you get? Phils shouldve kept lee foq 2010 no way in 2011. The Phillies did win WS before lee. Doc is the one who the phils the discount. So Doc had a rough start. It happens. Lee had several as a phil in about 2 months. Things have been going the Phillies way for 3 seasons. Maybe theyre about due for some tough luck. For the last time sp is nnt the problem for this team overall. Lee and Doc on this team could save them the way they are playing.

I did say Howard is hitting and he should for 125 million. Lee would of stayed. Ruin wanted him gone. Please. You only heard one side. Lee denied everything plus Buster says he keeps an eye on the phillies. Missing the guys and team. That was terrible. Doc is great but there is no passion there.

The start of that should say.
The Lee stuff.

Exactly! Go check the box scores. Phils would lead the Braves by 5 games if they hadnt wasted several great starts by Doc/Cole and a few others. This team absolutely refuses to have quality abs or manuf runs. Thats on Cholly/Milt. Cholly needs to start embrassing these guys by benching them. Mid game if need be. This is the yr of the pitcher as they say. Hrs/team batting avgs are down. Phils get base runners. But they just stand there waiting for the hr. Or make horrific base running blunders I only normally see made by the youth baseball team I help coach. Our pitchers cant even get down a sac bunt let alone the rest of the team.

if things dont change by end of July might as well just play for honor…time to rebuild…at least they didnt completely fold and made some what of a comeback

@chop2010 … “with our starters retiring”???? you serious? either your a philly fan who is a traitor to include yourself with the braves or your a braves fan who is gonna be disappointed when we beat you in the first round of the playoffs.

Thanks for the laugh. Atlanta has one proff title all~time. And that came vs the citz Clv. Atlanta Brave fans are dudes walking around with pink hats that have a fancy A on it engulfed with gilter and Beyonce t~shirts. Get the f/uck outta with your b.llshit. Toma Hicks and mutt f fans do this all the time. Wait till the phils are down before trolln. We are in the age of win it all or no respect. Get the hint country time? Clinch and win the WS 1st. The Braves aint won sh.t in a long, long time. In a long time. Well, until then go f.ck a goat in the Savanh. Swamp!

Werth knows that if he doesn’t start hitting down the stretch, then his new contract will not be Werth a whole lot. He is putting mega pressure on himself and he is not holding up under that pressure.

Amazing how awful this lineup is. It is really mystifying honestly. Fairly unexplaninable. They have awful at-bats and just once I want to see some passion. At this point I would take a bench player who brings passion. This team needs a kick in the ass cause they are dangerously close to becoming irrelevant in this division.

I realize Howard is hitting but two of his four home runs came in the ninth inning of blow-outs. He has been just as poor in clutch situations (he is always good for rolling a weak ground ball to the first basemen) as Jayson Werth has been. What is so unreal is that this is an entire lineup that is having a down year by each of their standards. Jimmy and Shane are straight putrid. It honestly makes me depressed to think about how bad this team is.

The bullpen is equally as pathetic. Something has to be done. Charlie has to embarrass theme. Why the hell is ibanez still playing? We ate Jenkins’ contract why can’t we eat Ibanez’s?

Obviously Lee arguments are all legit but I see the Lee situation as more symbolic. By trading him Amaro sold his sole to the devil. The baseball gods only give teams a chance to be great once in a generation and Ruben preferred to be good (with a strong farm system) than to be great. Thanks Ruben; curious to see what that payroll is once 20k attend games instead of 40k.

Bad year. RE: Werth. His total body of work but for 08 and 09 is not that impressive. He may very well be playing himself out of a primo contract. 32 next year. Very interesting.

The Dipsy

By the way, for those who want to bench Raul, did you see Francisco yesterday? I’ll take my cahnces with Raul, put him backk in the 3 hole tonight.

Just as Rollins was getting his swing back, the all-star break hit. I look for him to be back in form in Stl – but in lead-off. Can’t stand Vic at lead, Rollins in 3rd (neither take a good approach in the roles).

Earlier in the season, I felt that PP was the third baseman, if he’s playing should be there. With Utley out tonight, facing a righty, and Dobbs hitting pretty well of late, put PP at 2nd, Dobbs at 3rd.

When are you clowns gonna realize that CLIFF LEE WOULD HAVE MADE NO DIFFERENCE!!!

Injuries to…..

your starting SS (twice)
your starting 3B
your starting 2B
your starting C
your backup C
your #3 starter
your #4 starter
your closer
your primary set-up guy
your lefty out of the pen
your primary righty out of the pen

Let’s see….did I miss anyone??

This team has been DECIMATED by injuries….and yet they are still only 2 games out of the Wild Card…..on July 19th.

The Phillies are having a problem scoring runs because their lineup is built around power. It is not a well rounded offense. There are no .310 hitters. There is nobody who feels that it is their job to get on base. There is nobody, save for Polanco and Chooch, who are interested in moving runners. We have little speedy guys that don’t know how to bunt or won’t. And fast guys that won’t steal. In short, they are not scoring runs when they are not hitting doubles and home runs and they seem disinclined to learn how to fix it.

I have seen them do it though. They do it in the postseason. In the postseason they do look at more pitches. They do move runners. They try to scratch out the runs instead of waiting around for a three run homer. Which brings me to Charlie. Charlie oughta tell these guys to start working the counts, getting into hitters counts, walking more, hitting and running, straight stealing. Anything for a run. And anyone that swings at a first pitch in an at bat oughta be fined. IMHO.

The Dipsy

The Dipsy … I think the batting average on the 1st pitch, is something like .070 higher than at any another point … as pitchers want to get ahead in the count

I forget it that’s in Moneyball .. or something similar, but its WAY higher than batting average from a 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, 2-1, or 3-1 count

Don M, I agree, but it depends on what you are looking for, how the pitcher is pitching. Howard, and especially Werth, should be looking for a first pitch fastball every time up. If the first pitch is a called strike, they may not see another fast ball in the at-bat.

Part of the lead-off’s job is to see a lot of pitches, give the others an idea of how the pitcher is throwing, habits, whether the breaking ball is hitting the corners,… While the name of the game is scoring runs, I’d argue that a 9 pitch strike out to the 1st batter in the game is more valuable than a first pitch double. That is why I hate Vic at leadoff – he’s like the saber tooth cat in “Ice Age” – can’t wait to get to the mammoth (still have young kids, all the movies I watch are cartoons).

I try not to reply to the negative (Jeff) or truly stupid, but staging a walkout because we’re not in first place? Are you kidding me? This isn’t the Pirates, Orioles, or Royals who have no hope. It’s a team that is still in striking distance of taking the division, and right in the middle of the wild card race. It just got it’s lead-off guy and 1/3rd of it’s bullpen back, and is still missing it’s best on-base guy. Just as they were getting their mojo back, the all-star break hit. Give it some time.

Halladay has been an ace, see his era. Howard has been excellent. Werth, Vic and RAJ have been awful lately. I posted 4 reasons why RAJ has not GMd for now.

Trade an ace to build up the farm.
Keep a rule 5 youngster for future reasons over one of the phils best performers, figgy.
Lose #4 starter for basically the season and do nothing.
Lose ss 40 games, 2b for 50+ games, 3b for about a month and do nothing.

Gillick would’ve made small moves to plug the leaks, IMHO.