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Howard needed to jsut throw the ball to first.
But after the Werth play had to think bad luck was coming our way.
Like the broken bat hit by Lee.
Werth does this too much. He has never been one of my favorites. The pick offs in the playoffs. Letting Carlos Beltran score while he held the ball last year. Etc etc. I will be happy next year with D Brown in right.
I am still 100% jayson the next 2 months though because he is crucial too this teams success.

I also think the call may have been correct. and I have no issue with Madson. Aseeing eye hit, the bad play/call, broken bat blooper. I dont think its on him at all.
Werth better get the Jeltz.

You also missed Valdez lack of getting a bunt down. Which along with Werths play and howard not jsut throwing to first leads me to this.

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Rockies take the lead

Valdez blown bunt ticked me off the most. Wheels said it was a good pitch tailing away. But I don’t think that’s a good enough excuse.

I realize that I have never faced a ML pitcher, and I know I can’t hit one, but I learned to bunt when I was a kid and I still believe I could stick a bat in the air and deaden an 80 mph curveball.

Rockies Win!

I don’t think it takes a lot of sting out of tonight’s loss. Sure, the Phils remain 2.5 back of Atlanta, but the lead on the Cardinals and Giants will now shrink to 1 apiece.

The phils need to win the division I am not monitoring the WC too heavily i am monitoring the division and then best record in the NL Which I still feel is reachable.

Corey, I get the frustration with Gibson, but that’s not why we lost. If we’re able to get a bunt down, don’t get picked off on an intentional walk, and play well in general -one blown call won’t lose the game.

Here is some food for thought.

As has been mentioned and shown on ESPN tonight, Gibson ruled Victorino out of the basepath on a similar play as tonight’s fair call.

Charlie has been thrown out of a game 6 times this year, 5 of those have been when Blanton has pitched. 3 of the times he has been thrown out, it was with this umpiring crew ….. just sayin.

No…that’s why the Phillies lost. See, people mention things like that all of the time, but think about in retrospect…

If the correct call is made, the Phillies DO win in spite of all of the things you mentioned. But the correct call wasn’t made, and so the blame goes to a subsequent bunt that would have never taken place, or a middle-inning baserunning blunder that wouldn’t have otherwise affected the outcome of a game.

I understand that “no one play makes or breaks a game,” but this call absolutely did.

Correct call made, we’re looking at runner on 2nd, 1 out, Angel Sanchez & Hunter Pence due up….instead of, 1st and 2nd, Sanchez bunts, then 2nd & 3rd, 1 out with Pence and Lee up.

That makes all of the difference.

Corey,
No boneheaded baserunning and we’re looking at first and second with a good opportunity. Charlie bats for Valdez with maybe Brown (who singled in his first AB the next inning) or more likely Polanco or Sweeney. Then Valdez never blows the bunt the next inning because he’s gone. We can all make up scenarios.

Look I understand the frustration, I feel it too, just saying it really isn’t the only reason. Thems the breaks sometimes. we’ll get em tomorrow.
Good night good folks-thanks Rockies

Ryan clearly did not have to dive at Bourn, he had time to flip to Chase and still get the out. Also, how can you say that you will not miss Jayson Werth? He is one of the best bats in the line up and gives the Phils a different look from the right side of the plate. He is a gold glove caliber outfielder out there and lets face it, Dom Brown has showed some things he needs to improve on at the plate and in the field. Letting Jayson go will be a HUGE and HORRIBLE mistake that the Phillies will regret for years.

I seen the replay and bourne was clearly out of the baseline and howard appeares to had tagged him…I’m getting sick of umpirea and their egos I mean why couldn’t gibson had gotten a 2nd opinion from home plate umpire?you can blame werths base running blunder which was pathetic,but if the right call is made.phils win the game…they seriouslly need istant replay I mean I’d rather have istant replay for base running then home run calls…umpires are just big ego dumbasses who need to admit when they made a mistake..

Andrew I agree if they can keep werth on a 3 year deal and maybe throw in a club option that would great,but some team like the red sox or angels will jump up and give him a 4 year $60 something million dallar deal and they can have him for that…yeah rowand isn’t doing too good in san fran every fan I talk to wants him dfa…playing in that grand canyon sized ballpark hurt his numbers big..

You can’t put any blame on Howard for not throwing to first. There’s a possibility he had a chance to make the somewhat risky throw, but he felt confident he could make the sure tag, WHICH HE DID. It’s not his fault that the umpire blew it.

He was out, no two ways around it, however, I guess you can call it carma coming back to bite us. Remember the “foul ball” call against the Marlins which they did hit fair, and should have won that game? Well we won that game, and shouldnt have. Sadly, we also SUCK against this crappy team. I dont get it. I am REALLY getting tired Werth getting thrown out for being asleep on the basepath. This has to be like the 6th time he was thrown out while sleeping on base. I dont usually mind his slumps, because when he breaks out, it pays off, I like his fielding usually…See the 3rd out in the first, but the sleeping on the basepath is REALLY pissing me off.

Andrew, dude, your interpretation of the baseline rule is kinda wrong. Bourne ran out of the baseline and should have been ruled out. Oh well, it happens.

The Dipsy

The Dipsy’s offer to Jayson Werth:

You want four years bud? OK. 4y32m. That won’t get it done since Jay is one of only a handful of decent outfielders that are going to be FAs. You can’t really say that Werth is a “special” player. He’s not an “all star” really. He’ll be 32. He’s a “very good” player. Its too bad that he had to wait this long for the big pay day but he did. Andre Dawson played on a one year with the Cubs so he could blow up and land the big contract. Just sayin’. Werth’s talent is undeniable but his body of work is slim. That would be my number. I like Michael Cudduyer as a sign.

The Dipsy

Lefty Says:

I still believe I could stick a bat in the air and deaden an 80 mph curveball.

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Ha. Sure ya could. A little stat for ya; Bunts are effective in advancing the lead runner less than 33% of the time. He’s our best bunter and that AB was one of the 67+%.

@ANDREW-YOU ARE MY BUD,BUT YOU HAVE THE RULE WRONG………….

Hey Charlie, here’s a brilliant idea. Instead of rushing out studs like Howard and Utley back into the dugout, why not let them rehab a bit first? Because last time I checked, we were doing just fine with our backups playing ball. Our backup players are the ones that kept us within breating room of the Braves. Now we have a lackluster Howard swinging at junk in the dirt, and an Utley that is nowhere near 100%. Give me a break.

Umpires and their occasional bad calls are part of the game. Get over it, and adjust. A professional should go into every game knowing that some calls are going to go against him. To harp about it is ridiculous. The Phillies lost pure and simple because they failed to score enough runs, and they had nine innings to do it. By the way, what about the calls that went the Phillies way? Maybe the umpires called some strikes on the Astros that were really balls; maybe the umpires called some balls on the Phillies that were really strikes. http://www.kickasguidetoparenting.com

Should have got rid of Werth when we had the chance. He is the cancer on this team. He is dead last in the league in avg with runners in scoring position. Nothing but a choker. Plus only one homerun against lefties all year. That’s pathetic. Whats the point of having a right handed power bat who sucks against lefties. Doesn’t make any sense. We will be better without him

for those of u arguing that the one blown call blew the game for us… u cant say that… because pitchers will pitch differently with a runner on 2nd & 1 out versus how they would pitch with 1st & 2nd 0 outs… & i know lidge is on fire of late (knock on wood) but we would still all be sweating out the 9th hoping he got the save knowing theres no guarantee… just my 2 cents

Andrew you are right about the baserunner establishing the base path, if you look at that play Bourne was running straight up the line wich did make the first base line his path only when he saw Howard going to tag him did he divert more than three feet from the line. It made me sick the way Wheeler was talking about Myers. There was a reason Philly didn’t resign. No mention of that just how good he is pitching now. When the Phills needed him in the pen last year he was nowhere to be found.

Brian Sr: If there is a chance to get a runner without making a throw, that’s what you are supposed to do. Throwing the ball from where Howard stood is always a risk, because he isn’t facing the bag. He could turn and mistime his throw, or bounce it, not knowing just how far he’s charged from first. The second baseman could miss the catch. Maybe that’s not likely, but it’s even less likely that the runner is safe because he’s allowed to run out of the baseline.

Howard makes a lot of errors on throws, too.

It was a split second decision and most players would have chosen the tag as Howard did, rather than risk throwing the ball down the line.