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Oswalt Teams With Lidge Again to Get 1st Win as Phillie

Posted by Jonathan Fogg, Thu, August 12, 2010 08:23 AM | Comments: 64
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In a couple of ways, it was just like old times Wednesday night at Citizens Bank Park.

Brad Lidge saved a game for Roy Oswalt–something he used to do regularly. But after a turn of events no one, no matter how crazy, would have foreseen the last time it had happened– July 28, 2007–both were wearing Phillies uniforms this time.

And the other familiar sight Wednesday was reminiscent not of the 2007 season but of the next one, when Ryan Madson teamed with Lidge as the most dominant setup-closer combo in baseball.

Oswalt held the Dodgers to five hits in seven innings, and Madson and Lidge combined to retire the last six L.A. batters – four by strikeout – to lead the Phillies to a 2-0 victory.

Sure, the win was important because it kept the Phillies 2 ½ games behind the Braves, who have pulled out two late-inning wins the past two days in Houston. But maybe even more importantly, the win made a statement a night after the Dodgers bombed Kyle Kendrick, and seemingly half the bullpen, for 15 runs.

If you want to get picky, the Phillies did leave a couple of runs on the bases, and their failure to score Wilson Valdez after his leadoff triple in the fifth inning was glaring. But the pitching took care of that. Oswalt wasn’t dominant, but he displayed steely focus when he encountered jams and got outs when he needed them most.

Raul Ibanez, meanwhile, stayed red-hot, driving in an insurance run with a sixth-inning double that extended his hitting streak to 18 games. Domonic Brown got the Phils on the board in the fourth with his legs, beating out a ground ball that would be a double play with most other major leaguers running. But with Dom gliding to first? Forget it.

As with a lot of Phillies games this season, however, there is a “but.” While hustling to second on a double that led to the Phillies’ second run, Ross Gload pulled up lame halfway between first base and second base, and he immediately left the game. Don’t be shocked tomorrow if he becomes the latest to pass through the DL turnstile, likely with a groin strain.

On the plus side, Shane Victorino homered, tripled and had three RBIs in a rehab game tonight with Triple-A Lehigh Valley. He was expected to rejoin the Phillies on Friday, but it sure looks like he’s ready now.

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  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    You’re right…Oswalt wasn’t dominant…but he was really good.

    And Lidge was incredible. I have to wonder if closing for Oswalt helped him to step it up a bit. Or maybe he was just well rested.

    Either way….THAT was key….and will be down the stretch.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chris

    In a way, Gload pulling up lame is a blessing, because the equation that sent Brown back to the minors when our big boys got back just became easier. Brown is now our left hand off the bench.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Pitching last night was A+

    Oswalt, Madson, Lidge.

    Now, I hope they don’t rush Shane, we can wait a couple extra days for him to be 100% healthy. If he reinjures that thing again, he could out for an extended period of time, and that’s pretty scary when we’re nearly halfway through August.

     
  • Posts: 0 Josh

    I hope Vic is up today or tomorrow and Dom is back down by sunday because i am going to watch lehigh valley saturday and i want to see him play.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Especially with Gload maybe on the DL now. How many more freaking injuries can we take!!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Ugh I know!

    Gload’s line in July is out of this world:
    .389 avg / .476 obp / .611 slg / 1.087 ops

    Ditto for August:
    .333 avg / .448 obp / .625 slg / 1.073 ops

    We are going to miss that… that was some serious production from our temporary No.3 hitter! What’s Charlie gonna do now? Move Raul up to 3rd and let someone else bat 4th? (Remember that moving Werth up to the 4th spot didn’t work out initially)

     
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    We’re going to miss Gload. He’s a fine hitter and especially good pinch hitter. Hope he bounces back quickly, but last night’s injury looked like a trip to the DL. Oswalt was stellar, as was Ibanez.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Assume that Sweeney is going to get the majority of the time at 1st until Howard comes back. With PP re-aggravating the elbow, Dobbs will probably see more time at third (personally, would rather see Ransom there, regardless of the pitcher). Hopefully, Gload is good to go after a 15 day stint.

    Vic is ready to come back, same swing whether in LV or up with the club – the ab strain may actually help his batting average – less free swinging, more concentration on contact.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I was at the game….and from where I was sitting I had a clear view of Gload as he pulled up lame. Right then, I knew it wasn’t gonna be good. There was just this collective groan from all the fans around us.

    Does Greg Dobbs even realize how lucky he is?? He’s only here because of injuries!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 K Wright

    Please, come into NY this weekend and annhialate the Mets. Take over Citi Field and chant whatever you wish loudly. Laugh and mock these bozos. You guys have no idea how bad it is in appropriately named Flushing.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    I never want to hear another fanbase ever complain about injuries (see link http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/teams/philadelphia-phillies/injuries.html). Ibanez and Werth are the only two of the starting 8 who haven’t hit the dl this year, plus most of the bullpen, 3 starting pitchers, and two primary backups (Schneider and now Gload), yet only 1 game back in the Wild Card, 2-1/2 in the division.

     
  • Posts: 0 jeff

    Ledge was all me. Lidge did have a nasty slider. Did good but Madson got this save. Look at the batters he faced compared to Lidge. BIG difference. Some games are saved in the 8th.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Seriously. If the Phils make the postseason, Charlie should AT LEAST be considered for Mgr. of the Year. What with all the DL stints.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    jeff…you’re right. If Lidge had to face Ethier it might have been a different story.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    OMG!!! I actually agreed with jeff.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Small error… Madson let up a leadoff double (they didn’t retire the next six).

    Oswalt was great… when he needed a bit out, he got it. Maybe he wasn’t dominant but he skillfully maneuvered his way through the Dodgers lineup.

    Gload will be missed… who steps up in his absence?

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Lidge’s numbers in August are really good… 5 saves, 5.1 ip, 0 BB, 0.00 ERA, 6 SO, 1.11 BA against.

    He has only blown 4 saves in 19 opportunities (79%) which is well above the league average and only a few ticks below some of the best closers in baseball (he’s the best we’ve got and he’s not as bad as it seems) but they have to manage his outings a little better.

    I can’t verify this with statistics but it seems like when he is overworked, he really struggles… gotta try to limit the times that he is allowed to pitch on back to back nights. He seems healthy now… and I dropped him from my fantasy baseball team July 31st so that means he’ll be fine from here on out (I’ve implemented a “no Phillies” rule bc I’m convinved I’m a bad luck charm).

    Also worth noting… his numbers pitching with no men on base and in situations when he is able to work out of the wind up are really good… batters are hitting just .180 in those situations (only 2 HR given up). As soon as he allows someone to reach base, that’s when he runs into problems. Looking at his numbers with men on base versus no men on base (57 plate appearances with no men on and 58 with men on)… .192 BA, 3.17 SO/BB, .308 SLG%, 1 HR versus .277 BA, 1.75 SO/BB, .574 SLG%, 4 HR. That’s pretty crazy… maybe he’s tipping pitches out of the stretch. Or maybe, psychologically, he’s not able to throw his good slider because he’s so worried about the runner. Whatever the case may be, someone has to address that.

    Speaking of closers… you see K-Rod was arrested for assaulting his father in law after the game at Citi Field? Talk about not getting along with your in laws…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I want Brian Fuentes.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Phan in the outfield

    @bfo – Do NOT say that about Ibanez & Werth. Just … do not tempt fate. Doesn’t seem smart these days, know what I mean? I’m really beginning to believe there is a curse. This is just insane. When Gload pulled up I almost cried. We just got Sweeney – what – less than a wk ago?

    And I don’t even care if this sounds whiney, I’ve had it: Anyone but Dobbs! We don’t deserve that, not after everything we’ve gone through this season. Come on. I’LL PLAY. I’d be better than him!

    Madson & Lidge hit the mound like the walking definitions of Purpose & Determination last night. They were actually frightening. Wonder if Dubee said something to them to make them that way? Wish they could be that way all the time. It was something to see. Boy. But knowing Lidge has that in him is what makes the way he pitches the rest of the time so disturbing. No middle of the road w/him. Everyone is allowed a meltdown once in a while. But it feels like he hasn’t been there for a season & a half.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Interesting Lidge stats, especially when he seems to pretty much ignore runners on base. I wonder if the catchers move the target up a bit to keep his slider out of the dirt.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Hang on, lets be fair.
    In the month of August, Brad Lidge has made 6 appearances, 5 in save opportunities and he is a perfect 5 for 5 in saves for August. 0.00 ERA, 2 hits in 5.1 innings pitched, 0 runs, 0 walks.

    Look, I’m not going to be fully aboard the Lights Out Wagon just yet but realistically, 4 blown saves out of 19 is not terrible. The 5 hrs he has given up, another story. Billy Wagner, given (rightfully so) a ton of credit for helping to keep the Braves at the top of the NL East, has 7 blown saves (28 out of 35 attempts). Wagner has given up the same number of hrs, just in twice the amount of innings pitched.

    If Brad finishes out the month/year with a few more blown saves, I think we have to be grateful. His velocity is off, it looks like he might be nixing that fastball of his. But the breaking ball has been quite nasty.

    I’d say we are looking in pretty damn good shape heading into the middle of August and then the month of September. Should be exciting ball!

     
  • Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY

    no comment-on site crashing again……..

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    I’m there with you, Brooks… too small of a sample to say that he’s fixed but it’s encouraging and there is nothing on the slop heap that is better than Ledge.

    I laughed last night because Lidge throws a perfect 9th inning and the site was down so no one could comment… very appropriate… almost like, if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I agree….and I also don’t have any facts to prove it….but it certainly does seem like when Lidge is overworked he struggles.

    Last night he truly was “Lights Out”

    I really don’t care that he faced the bottom of the order. he DOMINATED!!

    And aside from the leadoff double….Madson was amazing last night, too.

    If we can even come close to the results from that combo for the rest of the year….we’re in the postseason.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    It’s great to see Ibanez enjoying his career best 18 game hitting streak and being the most productive hitter during Phillies’ resurgence. It’s also satisfying to see Raul proved to all the impatient “critics” here (including Corey Seidman who called him a “black hole”) how wrong they were in wanting the player released a few months ago. ;-)

    An interesting situation is developing when Victorino returns as early as tomorrow. Will Manuel reinsert Victorino to CF and Werth returns to RF? With Gload likely to go on DL and the bench depleted by one and undermanned, will Brown being going to the bench and play sparingly? Keep in mind and if I’m correct, Manuel has an extra pitcher (Antonio Bastardo) on the roster. Will Bastardo be optioned to the minors and another utility position player called up? We will soon see.

     
  • Posts: 0 NickFromGermantown

    I never thought I’d be lamenting an injury to Ross Gload. What a season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I’d rather we send JC to the minors instead of Bastardo… we need a lefty pitcher in the pen and based on Bastardo’s outstanding stats in the minors, he could be better than JC “I walk George Sherill” Romero. Of course, Bastardo’s poor outing a few days ago sucked, but he deserves more than one shot. We’ve given JC PLENTY of opportunities to stick around, why not him?

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    Chuck as manager of the year? This team is mega-talented. They win despite Chuck, not because of him.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    One other scenario when Vic comes back – Ibanez has played 1st – think it is somewhere around 180 (but I could be wrong). With a righty pitcher, put Ib at 1st, Vic center, Brown Right, Werth left. Lefty pitcher, sit Brown, Sweeney at 1st, Ib back in left (or Ben Fran here and there).

    I’d also prefer to have Bastardo over JC – while he had a poor outing a few days ago, his general stuff seems to be pretty good, just left a few pitches up. JC reminds of Wild Thing – can be effectively wild when his velocity is up – now that it is down in the low 90s, no one is falling for it anymore.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Intersting about Lidge out of the stretch. I think you are all right, it’s part lost concentration, part giving away his pitch.

    Also, he can’t seem to locate his fastball, yet has good control of the slider? Very strange. He’s also clocking 81-83 on his slider, thats fooling batters- sort of a change-slider, or a slurve.

    Unusual to have a closer without a good heater, but if it works and I agree that the numbers are trending that way, it’s fine by me.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Feel bad that Chipper is going out this way, but no sympathy for the Braves: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5458167

    Maybe he didn’t have the numbers this year, but still a threat and a clubhouse presence.

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat

    I agree w/biz. Well somewhat. He has kept this team together. But like a former president he too often manges from his gut

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I pray for Brad Lidge every time he takes the mound. Pray for just one more save. I pray before every pitch. My lips humbly mouthing words of hope and charity, palms open skyward, beckoning that great Rolaids Relief Man in the sky. Show Brad the path. The true path. Let Brad become enlightened and be the best closer he can be. Let his pitches always hit the corners – and miss every bat. I pray. Yes every day I pray. Jesus saves. Let Brad save, too.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY

    vic is activated-basterdo sent back down- gload is day to day!!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY

    So i guess vic will play tonight??

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Brad walked on water last night, Dipsy.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    I pray for ME every time he takes the mound. I’m not a young man anymore, every time he pitches it’s like an old rerun of Sanford and Son. “This time it’s the big one Lamont. You hear that Elizabeth, I’m comin to join you honey.”

    I guess most of you aren’t old enough to remember that, but if you were it might be funny/ or not.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phan in the outfield

    Pretty funny – Dipsy. Ugh that bullpen. Sometimes I want to call it the Pigpen (except for Durbin & Madson).

    Charlie (and later RAJ) have literally been working a human Rubik’s Cube this season. I can’t believe this amazing feat hasn’t been discussed more around sports in gen. They’re only 2 1/2 back of the Braves.

    A wk ago the Mets announcers talked about the Phils. I think they began saying the only 2 teams they thought could handle this much adversity this well were the Phils & the Red Sox. Hernandez in particular called the Mets on the carpet b/c they were in a similar situation last yr & they used the injuries as an excuse to “give up.” He couldn’t see the Phillies doing that. He said with the Phillies the team attitude was then & is now completely different from teams like the Mets from the top-down. The team hangs together diff than others & it’s showing now. He said the Phils should be proud of themselves.

    I couldn’t believe what I was hearing & I haven’t heard anyone say anything about it. Did anyone hear this besides me? I’m in nyc so I’m forced to watch those games on a Mets station.

    Werth’s numbers – (everyone wanted to ditch him too): leading the league with 38 doubles (has lead most of the season), avg .302, obp .395., and he’s doing fine in CF (thankfully).

     
  • Posts: 0 Phan in the outfield

    And Halladay & Hamels haven’t been injured either. I’m looking for positives folks. How long does a groin strain take to heal? “Day-to-day” isn’t bad, right? He could be on the DL. Ayyyy. Okay, at least Vic is back. Does anyone know – is Polanco in the game tonight?

    I feel like Lefty (but I’m young). I have such fear when Lidge takes the mound. I feel as if he honestly doesn’t know how he’s going to pitch. As if it’s out of his control. That makes me feel bad for him & scared for us. My anxiety level shoots through the roof. It also makes me feel as if we should get someone we can count on.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Lefty…I remember Sanford and Son well.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Phan, I heard it also. I’m in the Poconos, get all the Mets, Yanks, and most of the Phils. I hate to admit it, but I really like Mets Broadcast Crew, and watch them whenever Phils are playing the Mets, or when we don’t get a televised Phils game. I really think since 2007, the Mets are almost looking for an excuse to lose, where the Phils expect to win. Charlie may not be the best strategist in the world, but he has these guys believing they will win, regardless of who is on the mound, the dl,…..
    Lefty, now the S&S theme song is stuck in my head. Could be worse.
    I actually think Werth is a better centerfielder than rightfielder. Maybe has to keep more focused? Brown still has some work to do out there, probably nerves as much as anything else.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Here are Lidge’s key stats based on days rested. Amazing that 0,1 and two days rest all have 7 games with roughly the same PAs.

    0 – 2.00 k/bb, .250 BA, 2 HR, .875 OPS
    1 – 0.80 k/bb, .364 BA, 1 HR, 1.072 OPS
    2 – 5.00 K/BB, .167 ba, 0 HR, .509 OPS
    3+ 2.67 k/bb, .172 ba, 0 HR, ? OPS(didn’t want to figure it out)

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    The Mets should be a reality show. Reyes saying he takes plays off. Krod beating up his father in law after the game. Then staying in jail in the stadium. Santana acused of rape from years past. You cant make this stuff up.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    “but he has these guys believing they will win….”

    Excactly. And, isn’t that the mark of a good manager, no matter what the profession? A good manager knows how to get the best out of his people.

    That’s why Charlie should be considered for Mgr of the Year if the Phillies advance to the playoffs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Lawrence have a nice retirement.

    Ledge will always be how he is. He has been good since the blow up vs the Nationals. He was great last night because he got the first batter. Thats always crucial and he doent do it enough. Also facing vetern GOOD hitters can be the issue. He is a guy that where the other teams line up is is a huge factor. I also fear him against any really good line up. But hes still here and will be. Would love to pick up a BP arm or two.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Second John

    Chuck, it’ll probably go to Bud Black, or Dusty Baker.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Yeah, I know. The Padres and Reds are this year’s surprises for sure. But the fact that Charlie has motivated his guys to be where they are right now is nothing short of spectacular.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Dipsy I’d LOVE Fuentes too…

    As a set-up guy if the Angels pick up about 80% of his salary… ;)

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Thanks for pulling those numbers together psujoe… so the stats back up my gut in this case (the more rest he gets, the better).

    Charlie has to be considered… 7/9 of his starting lineup and 3/5 of his starting rotation have been in flux throughout this season and we’re right there.

    I often criticize Charlie’s in game decision making (we all do) but during his tenure, a culture of winning has been born… the expectation of winning radiates in that clubhouse and the front office. The players have a lot to do with that but Charlie has surely held up his end of the bargain to cultivate winning. He gives them the right amount of leeway to police themselves but always steps in when things are seemingly headed in the wrong direction too fast. He is loyal to his guys (often to the shegrin of the fan base) and they love playing for him because of that. By all accounts, he is a wonderful hitting coach and a likeable guy but we’ve also seen him bench players on occasion for not hustling… and he challenged Eskin to a fight (gotta love that). I’m a believer…

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    The Padres and Reds (and Phillies) need to make the playoffs if any of those managers want to win an award.

    I think the Cards beat the Reds in the end. And that the Giants and Rockies will somehow make the Padres lose their lead…

    Phillies need to get healthy, and hope that when Utley and Howard come back they’re seeing the ball well and don’t go into a slump while they adjust back from the DL.

     
 
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