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Phils Make Like Machine Left in Rain, Get Kuroda’d

Posted by Michael Baumann, Tue, August 31, 2010 01:46 AM | Comments: 81
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Roy Halladay came within five outs of making history with a no-hitter again tonight. Just not the good kind. Dodger pitcher Hiroki Kuroda had a no-hitter broken up with one out in the eighth inning of a game Los Angeles went on to win, 3-0. If Kuroda had finished his no-hit bid, Halladay would have become the first pitcher since Juan Marichal in 1963 to throw a no-hitter and have a no-hitter thrown against him in the same season. The Phillies’ ace developed a crippling case of Cole Hamels’ Disease in Chavez Ravine, being undone by a series of soft bloop hits and a lack of run support.

For Kuroda’s part, he was outstanding, throwing a dizzying array of off-speed pitches to an impatient Phillies lineup. Despite hitting Jayson Werth in the second inning Kuroda faced the minimum through five. He later walked Carlos Ruiz in the sixth and Werth in the eighth before Shane Victorino got the only hit of the night.

The Phillies only threat came in the eighth, when Werth’s leadoff walk, followed by a Raul Ibanez fielder’s choice and Victorino’s hit brought the tying run to the plate. Kuroda struck out Carlos Ruiz, then Hong-Chih Kuo retired Mike Sweeney, who was pinch-hitting for Dom Brown, who, in turn, was pinch-hitting for Halladay. Kuo pitched a 1-2-3 ninth for his seventh save on the year.

The Phillies, bizarrely, have had serious trouble with Japanese starting pitchers this season. They’ve faced 4 Japanese-born starting pitchers once each this season. They beat the Braves on May 9. Shane Victorino hit a solo home run off Kenshin Kawakami in the seventh inning of that game. That was the last run the Phillies have scored of a Japanese starter. Since then, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Hisanori Takahashi, and Kuroda have combined to throw 22 consecutive scoreless innings. What’s more, Matsuzaka and Kuroda both took no-hitters into the eighth inning of their starts.

Game two of the series starts at 10:10 tomorrow night.

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Michael is a graduate student at Temple University who lost his childlike innocence when, at the age of 6, his dad let him stay up for the end of Game 6 of the 1993 World Series. Unsettled by the Phillies' recent success, he has threatened over the years to leave the team he loves if they don't start losing again, but has so far been unable to follow through. Michael spent 4 years as an undercover agent in Braves territory at the University of South Carolina, where he covered football and soccer for The Daily Gamecock before moving back up north. He began writing for The Phrontiersman in June 2009 before moving to Phillies Nation in January 2010.

 
 
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I like Wreth behind Howard because when Ryan gets hot and he will in September, hopefully starting tonight, there will not be guys on base because Ryan will bring them in, I like a little speed in the 5th spot. Same reason that if you have to hit Utley 3rd, it should be Vic 6th and Raul 7th, yes Raul is a better hitter but on the rare occasion Vic gets on base I do not want Raul in front of him. Raul usually sees a lot of pitches so it would give Vic time to run, and open up the left side when he doesn’t run for Rual. I think Chase just needs a new perspective, maybe it it less pressure, but just a little change may do a lot for him. You see if you move Raul up to 3rd, then you can mix Vic and Chase in the 6-7 spot, because they both can run. Which brings me back to my point. Right now this team needs to run when they get on base. Their steal % is on of the best in baseball for the last 3/4 years. And they are just not doing it now. And now with the offense struggling is exactly when they should be running their shoes off

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Piazza brings nothing. But you the fans will make him out to be the best catcher ever. First ballot HOF. Ruiz is simply better than him and Mccann.
    Bench was the best defensive catcher going.
    The old man manages this team and hes doing fine. The teams doing fine.
    I remember arguing with Don M about victorino being better than Beltran. I know you guys cant grasp it. And thats OK.
    The mets were actually ahead of the Phillies when Beltout came back. Honsest injun. They wrote articles about how great he was and the difference maker. You cant win with him.
    Ruiz is better than Mccann.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Andrew. Get off the pipe. Piazza hit .330. I’ll take Piazza instead of Ruiz, thank you. Sometimes the disparity in hitting just flat out makes up for what one guy gives away in defense. That goes for catchers, too.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Dipsy I think you are missing the point. If you can get a good hitting catcher that is a bonus, but, they would take a catcher that hits 20-30 points lower if he is far superior defensive catcher. For the fact that a catcher that can gun out runners, block the plate, and allow his pitchers to throw any pitch with a guy on third it is worth more runs than hitting .300 over .260. Kind of like hiding your worst defender in left field.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    No, I get the point perfectly. I would take Ruiz over almost any catcher in the game and certainly McCann. I think he’s great. But when you start throwing names like Mike Piazza around, like Andrew, ya gotta draw the line. In a typical year, Piazza would hit .330 and be a mediocre receiver and Chooch would bat .270 and be a very good receiver. I believe the extra sixty points will more than make up for the baserunners he doesn’t throw out and the plate he doesn’t block. I mean, Piazza wasn’t a retard, he could play the position. Yes, a good hitting catcher is a bonus. But an offensive weapon (Piazza) should be considered in a different light. IMO.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    See Dipsy that is where you are wrong. Especially for a catcher, you can neutralize a running game, make guys stay at third on close calls to send them or not. Not based solely the arm strength of the outfielder but the ability to block the plate and make a tag holding onto the ball. That can save you 2-3 runs a game sometimes, keeping a guy on first base etc. How much does one more hit a game give you, unless it is a HR or a clutch hit. So I would take Ruiz, ok maybe not over Bench, whom I severly dislike cause he played for the Reds. But over Piazaza, he was like a baserunners dream. Especially with Ruiz over .300 w RISP after the 7th this year, and what he has done down the streach and in the playoffs the last few years. Guys like Bench and Mauer in Minnesota are anomalies. Piziza was an above average hitter but struggled handling pitchers and throwing guys out. McCann is a streaky guy and has more power then Ruiz but I will still take Chooch. the guy has shown to be clutch and that is more important the avg. in my book, especially on this team, which should already have enough bats to score runs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    As much as I love Chooch.. in a typical year, he bats .250ish, not .270ish. He’s having a great year, and it would be magical if he suddenly becomes a .270+ hitter. I think he’s capable of that.. but he’ll need a couple more solid 2010-like seasons for that statement to be factually accurate.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Andrew – you’re right sometimes I don’t get you. I was never that much of an NL fan in the 80′s and early 90′s (except for the Phils) but, ROY in 93′, within the top 10 of the NL MVP award 7 times in his career including runner up in 96 & 97 and third place in 2000.

    A lifetime .308 hitter with over 420 hrs and a 12 time AS – he brought nothing? I would not argue that Ruiz is more influential to his pitchers and probably better defensively but to say Piazza brings nothing?

    I think the true testament to a players value would be to ask yourself, how would a player like this (Piazza) fit on this team or the Phils in the 90′s (say better than Dutch)?

    Bench was more than a great defensive catcher Andrew – definitely the leader of the Big Red Machine (someone yesterday said it was Morgan, wrong). Two time MVP award winner, led the NL in HRs twice, rbi 3 times constistantly in the MVP balloting.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    We have a tendency to overrate our players when they’re having career years (see Werth 2009, Raul 2009.1, Jimmy 2007, Chooch 2010)…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Shag – I hear ya. Piazza was not an above average hitter. He was a stud. I know how important the catcher is and everything you say is true. That said, I will take the O that Piazza gives me and live with the D. Now a .300 hitting catcher? No. A 25 85 .290 catcher that can’t catch? No. Piazza was one of the best hitters in the game when he played. Reasonable minds can differ.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I can see your point Dipsy, I do not agree, but you make a very logical argument. On this team, if they were playing to half there potential, unlike this year offensivly, I would have to take Chooch, for the simple reason you should have all the offense you need. Just like in the olden days, and yes I have been a baseball fan since 1971, you can put up with a SS hitting .200 if he had the range of Ozzie. I think how this team is built you take a superior defensive catcher. Plus have to admit I dislike the Dodgers and the Mets, so Piazza would never be in my favorite list.
    Just like when JRoll does not hit, he is still top 2-3 defensive SS out there so you can live with that, now only if Charlie would convince him he is not a lead off guy.

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    And Manny, I will take Chooch hitting .250 during the season, but he has been clutch in the playoffs the last two years, a small sample, yes, but, shows heart and the ability to play, hit over your head when it counts. I do not think that makes me overrate him in a career year. And he is only 29 so maybe 2-3 more years of .270 can come.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    If you take away Daulton in 93 and ruiz in 2008 and 2009 and put in Piazza. I believe those 3 teams do not make the playoffs.
    So when I say hes nothing to me thats what I mean.
    I guess I am a fan of winning and most people are fans of players.

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I really am not a fan of Piazza’s but really you put that guy in the Phillies line up in 93 instead of Daulton, talk about being slightly overrated, and they lose more games? i would have to disagree, was Daulton that good of a defensive player, I personally did not think so.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Daulton wasnt a liability. Piazza was. You cant have a liability at catcher.
    If Piazza plays 1b or LF my opinion of him is opposite.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I am not a fan of winning. I respect sheer numerical achievements no matter how hollow they may be.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    Chuck Says:
    August 31st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    I love Charlie.

    _________

    Why?

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Dipsy, your statement allows for lifting players like Barry Bonds on a pedestal.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Why??

    The record speaks for itself.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Brooks – I was being facetious.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Phan in the outfield

    So Andrew I did watch the Mets/Braves. Not good. BUT….not as bad as our game of course. Wow, I totally didn’t see that one coming. We made the damn Dodgers look great. What a mess. I do have to say though that I’ve found some solice in the fact that Werth seems to be getting on base more often w/a walk here & there, as he did last night. When that happened late into the ‘almost no-hitter’ I thought it might be a sign that Kuroda was getting tired or whatever. And sure enough Victorino got the hit.

    Andrew – did you see the game on the MLB feed and listen to Vin Scully? I guess it’s just me b/c it seems like the rest of the world loves that guy, but WOW – does he ever shut the hell up?! By the bottom of the 4th I was begging for some peace. I hit mute.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Hes handicapped by doing the broadcast solo. Which I dont like or understand. He basicly has to ask himself questions and answer them.
    Its really old school stuff. I dont like it. But you have to respect it.

    Now imagine Chris Wheeler solo

    ok I cant even

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Hey Phan, you think the renown and knowledgeable Vince Scully talks too much? Try motormouth Tom McCarthy when he is not calling the game which is often (chuckles).

     
  • Posts: 0 Phan in the outfield

    I know, I know he’s legendary and all that. I felt bad b/c honestly that was really the 1st time I’ve heard him for any length of time.

    Oh puhleeze, I’ve already made my feelings known about the, uh, venerable team of TMac & Wheels. Listening to them can be utter & complete torture. I wind up talking to myself – most of the time saying, “WHAT?!”

    Ahahahaha – Wheels doing that broadcast solo? He’d single-handedly lose fans for the Phillies. Nobody would watch again (or at least listen). Yeah, I noticed Mr. Scully was alone but yikes … it does not stop.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    If you are alone you cant stop.
    I dont like it myself.

    TMAC is completely handicapped by Wheeler. No one. Not even Harry liked him or had chemistry with him.
    I really have no opinion on Mccarthy. Wheeler is so bad that the 3 innings of T Mac and Sarge every ngiht I look forward too. That even is just what it is. I dont know if they are good. I know its better than innings 1-3 and 7-9 though.

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    # Chuck Says:
    August 31st, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Why??

    The record speaks for itself.

    ______

    My high school coach could have road this team to the 08 and 09 WS.

    He could probably fix this mess, too.

    They have won despite Cholly, not because of him.

    Cholly brings NOTHING to the table other than a likable personality.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Biz

    Couldnt disagree with that more. But thats what this site is for opinions.

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    Andrew,

    I seem to recall a vastly different sentiment last year from Philly fans when he was trotting Lidge out there night after night to blow games.

    Or this year when he had Polly lay down a bunt. I LOL’d at that one.

    Or when he had Blanton bat with the bases loaded.

    The list goes on and on. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, IMO. He’s not a major league manager.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    There never will be a replacement for either Whitey or Harry but it would be nice if the Phillies could find someone palatable, likeable and knowledgable.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Sometimes the game day decisions leave me scrathing my head too.
    But lets say the phils win another WS or 2 . which is possible

    Hes a hall of famer and then theres the statue in front of CBP

    I used to get upset at him but I realize hes perfect for this team. He really is. Cant handle a pitching staff but still hes the giy for the job.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I think that Charlie is similar to Andy Reid in this sense: While neither are tactically proficient guys during a game, and while they seem to stubbornly stick with offensive schemes that frustrate and confuse when things are not working, they both provide a real stability and consistency which serves the players well, and probably translates into wins. Why can’t we have managers and coaches that can do both?????? I don’t know – other cities can.

    The Dipsy

     
 
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