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Halladay's No-No, in Historical Terms

Posted by Michael Baumann, Thu, October 07, 2010 02:49 PM | Comments: 44
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The best way I could wrap my mind around the gravity of Roy Halladay’s no-hitter last night was in the scope of its rarity. I’ve been watching dozens, if not hundreds of baseball games a year since I was six years old and had never seen a no-hitter start-to-finish (including, for various reasons, the two thrown by Phillies pitchers since 2003). Not only that, a postseason no-hitter hadn’t happened in 54 years–Halladay’s was not only the first playoff no-hitter of my lifetime, it was the first of my parents‘ lifetimes. For those of you with older parents than mine, here are a few statistical tidbits that might put last night’s wonderful events in their historical perspective.

  • Game Score is a statistic devised by sabermetric guru Bill James to gauge the quality of a starting pitcher’s performance. It starts at 50 and awards points for outs, innings, and strikeouts recorded, and debits for runs, walks, and hits allowed. Anything above 55 or so is good, and anything above 80 is awesome. Halladay’s one-walk, eight-strikeout no-no scored a 94, tied with Don Larsen’s perfect game for the fourth-highest game score in postseason history. The only three starts to score better were Roger Clemens’ 15-strikeout one-hitter in the 2000 ALCS, Dave McNally’s 11-inning complete game shutout in the 1969 ALCS, and Babe Ruth’s 14-inning, six-hit, one-run complete game victory in the 1916 World Series.
  • Roy Halladay became the sixth pitcher to throw a perfect game and a second no-hitter, after Cy Young, Sandy Koufax, Mark Buehrle, Addie Joss, and Jim Bunning. None of the previous five had done both in the same season, and none had thrown a no-hitter in the postseason.
  • Halladay’s 104 pitches were the fewest in a complete game shutout in the playoffs since Curt Schilling threw 101 in game 1 of the 2001 NLDS.
  • In the history of baseball, pitchers have made 2,528 starts, with only two no-hitters. In short, a starting pitcher in a playoff game is more likely to pull a winning pick-3 lottery ticket than throw a no-hitter.
  • Six starting pitchers in postseason history have allowed one baserunner or no baserunners in a game: Halladay, Larsen, and four pitchers who all lasted no longer than 1 1/3 innings.
  • In case anyone’s wondering about the next game, Larsen pitched his perfect game in Game 5 of the 1956 World Series. In Game 6, Bob Turley of the Yankees and Clem Labine of the Dodgers both pitched 9 shutout innings. Labine pitched a scoreless top of the 10th before Turley allowed a walkoff single to Jackie Robinson with two outs in the bottom of the 10th. Larsen’s next postseason start was a win in Game 3 of the 1957 World Series. Larsen held the Braves to two runs over 7 1/3 innings.
  • EDIT: Got another tidbit for you. Roy Halladay is the first pitcher since 2000, the ninth since the implementation of the DH, and the 20th since World War II, to throw a complete game shutout in his first postseason appearance. A complete (I hope) list of those pitchers is below:
  • Claude Passeau, Game 3, 1945 WS
  • Dave Ferriss, Game 3, 1946 WS
  • Johnny Sain, Game 1, 1948 WS
  • Gene Bearden, Game 3, 1948 WS
  • Preacher Roe, Game 2, 1949 WS
  • Jack Sanford, Game 2, 1962 WS
  • Claude Osteen, Game 3, 1965 WS
  • Jim Palmer, Game 2, 1966 WS
  • Wally Bunker, Game 3, 1966 WS*
  • Blue Moon Odom, Game 2, 1972 ALCS
  • Joe Coleman, Game 3, 1972 ALCS*
  • Jon Matlack, Game 2, 1973 NLCS
  • Don Sutton, Game 1, 1974 NLCS
  • Scott McGregor, Game 4, 1979 ALCS
  • Mike Norris, Game 1, 1981 ALDS
  • Bob Forsch, Game 1, 1982 NLCS
  • Mike Boddicker, Game 2, 1983 ALCS
  • Mike Scott, Game 1, 1986 NLCS
  • Bobby Jones, Game 4, 2000 NLDS
  • Roy Halladay, Game 1, 2010 NLDS
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Michael Baumann has written 229 articles on Phillies Nation.

Michael is a graduate student at Temple University who lost his childlike innocence when, at the age of 6, his dad let him stay up for the end of Game 6 of the 1993 World Series. Unsettled by the Phillies' recent success, he has threatened over the years to leave the team he loves if they don't start losing again, but has so far been unable to follow through. Michael spent 4 years as an undercover agent in Braves territory at the University of South Carolina, where he covered football and soccer for The Daily Gamecock before moving back up north. He began writing for The Phrontiersman in June 2009 before moving to Phillies Nation in January 2010.

 
 
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Take it the way Roy sees it.
    Thats 1 win
    10 more to go or its utterly meaningless.
    Doc doesnt give 2 craps about perfect games or no hitters. He wants the title. Time for Chase and Howard to step up.

    This isnt Mcnabb where you complete a 4th and 24 and lose the next week in a championship game at home favored by 10.

    10 more

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob

    Its one of the most meaningful moments in Philly (and baseball) history: World Series or no World Series this season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I’m happy I was able to see both of Roy’s no-hitters on TV, from start to finish!

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Lose the next 3 and ask Roy how meaningful it is.

    Thats the point. Thats why he threw the no hitter.
    Not for the no hitter or to mean anything to anyone. He threw it to win the world series.

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    This team is not losing this series, Andrew. It will be very difficult for any team to beat these guys 4 times in 7 games with our rotation, regardless of whether or not Utley and Howard produce. Both, IMO, had home runs knocked down by the wind in the same inning last night.

     
  • YEA BIZ,BOTH OF THOSE BALLS WERE GOING OUT IF NOT FOR THE WIND………

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    If* we had trouble with the first two games, would anyone start Halladay on 3 days rest game 4 so he can close it out in game 7 too? Can anyone beat Halladay?

    Oswalt and Hamels, I’m excited to take this one game at a time. If we win it all 2010 is the best season ever, so many moments. Congrats to Roy Halladay, he will be a legend in Philadelphia. On ESPN they were discussing why he wasn’t a star, and he will be soon.

    First thing I said back in December, HAPPY HALLADAYS

    Who’s Cliff Lee?

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    Best rotation of all time, and they get to stay together for a while.

    Cole once said, “I can’t wait to parade down Broad St. again, again, and again.”

    I don’t want to sweep because I want to see as much Phillies baseball in 2010 as possible.

    HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    No short rest ever.
    but

    Doc does seem to be super human.
    Never for mere mortals like Hamels and Oswalt.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    3 days rest is like Lide going 2 innings. Sure sounds great but Id rather not.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Yea… and didn’t Roy have like 9 days rest before this no-hitter? And I also think his stats show that he’s better with the extra rest than without it.. If Hamels and Oswalt can somewhat replicate what they’ve been doing during the regular season, then short-rest for Roy shouldn’t even be an option.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Is Blanton getting the fourth start? I suppose if it goes to five i think Cholly will go with Halladay???

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Monday is full rest for Doc.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    I’m with Pheeling – sorry to say it because it means that one or two of our trio will have to lose a game – but, the longer the series the more I get to see.
    I’m going to WS game 2 and if there is a 7, I am there.

    I really lucked out so far, I purchased extra tickets for the game on Wednesday (sold immediately), just picked up today an extra set of tickets for the NLCS game 2 – SRO tickets but who wouldn’t want to be there?

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    No way. win it in sweeps
    would be historic
    like…

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    If I only see 10 more Phillies games this year, I will be quite content.
    It’s not going to happen that way, just sayin- I don’t want to see losses just to prolong the season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kate

    Guys… read this.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1167875/1/index.htm

    I don’t know how many of you already know all of us, but I did not.

    It makes where Roy Halladay is right now even more amazing.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kate

    *all of THIS, not all of us. *headdeskBANG*

     
  • Posts: 0 jt

    they need to wake bats up utley,howard and werth were hitless in the game 1 we can’t expect the pitching to dominate the reds lineup every game the reds are a good hitting team.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    It is a big deal I just wamted to say that I am sure if they dont win it all Roy wont be a happy camper.

    But I have to say I think the phils will win it all.

    so much for the yankees losing they jsut straight own the Twins

    Lookinf forward to the Giants game
    Giants phillies is a MONUMENTALY awesome huge series.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Timmmmeeh- A little amped up at first, but settled down. He’s got a nice slider.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Kate – thanks I loved the week 3 cheerleaders. – Just kidding, –wellll I did take just a little peek.

    Anyway, I did know the whole story, and read that article before. He’s an amazing guy. The writer describes the “two deaths” a pitcher faces, he’ll face three in his lifetime, having already had one.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Historical statistics are interesting (though sabermetics bores me) and all that but I simply rather appreciate the fact it is such a rare accomplishment to have pitched TWO no-hitters in a single season and that second one comes in the postseason where it’s most meaningful. To know he is the ONLY other pitcher besides Don Larsen in the history of the postseason to have a no-hitter will be forever be part of his legacy. By the way, his game worn jersey and other items from the postseason no-hitter goes to the Hall of Fame. Congratulations to “Doc” Halladay.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Damnn Lincecum was dealing… 2 hits, 13 Ks…

    Halladay vs. Lincecum is a scary thought.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Timmy is A game timmy has been for over a month.
    Hes the second best pitcher in the world period.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Woops…14Ks I posted that before the last strikeout. Just filthy… but still doesn’t come close to touching Roy’s masterpiece.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Its close its why the phillies couldnt win that last game
    Its also why the potential giants series is fun

    But the phils should win that

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Halladay is a hair better than Timmy
    Timmy is a hair better than oswalt and Hamels
    Oswalt and Hamels are a hair better than Sanchez and Cain

    and Barry Zito is the highest paid of them all and isnt even the post season roster for this round.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Games like today Braves and Giants game are the type we expect to face if and when we face either of these two teams. Both of them are similar matched with the edge going to the Giants in starting pitching. Whomever we face of these two teams assuming we beat the Reds i expect 3 runs and under.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    The braves arent in the class of the giants. Not close.
    but I dont think they will win a single game in that series anyway.
    Braves backed into the playoffs and are running on fumes.
    Lowe and hudson arent as good as any of the other pitchers i mentioned. Are closer to Zito than the big boys.

    Id hate to see pat the bat beat beat us. but I dont think SF has the linup to beat the phils. they do have the pitching though to beat anyone including a good pen.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Possible CLASSIC match-ups:

    Halladay vs. Lincecum
    Halladay vs. Lee
    Lincecum vs. Lee (let’s hope not)

    I do believe that Roy Halladay is the best of these three (at this point in all their careers)

    BUT…. any one of them can win their respective games.

    They are all big-game pitchers. Lincecum all but proved that last night.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Other possibilities:

    Lee vs. CC
    Halladay vs. CC
    Lincecum vs. CC (again….let’s hope not)

    Not sure if CC is quite in the same class. Halladay is STILL the best of the four. CC has more experience than Lincecum, but I think Lee may be better than CC in big games. I think CC is the most vulnerable of the four.

    Still….think of all these possible pitching matchups. For a baseball fan it’s sort of like being overwhelmed on Christmas morning when you were a kid.

     
  • Posts: 0 sportsphan

    San Francisco really scares me, especially since it seems we’re back in one of our non-hitting funks again, and that can last through the entire post-season. Thank heaven for our pitching staff. Remember the beginning of the season, when everyone said that we’d be hitting like mad all season, but our starting pitching was questionable?

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    3, 4, 4

    One game… I get it… but what Halladay did is historic. It’s unfathomable… just one more reason why this team ain’t slowing down for no one.

    It’s also one game in San Francisco and I could see the Braves coming back- besides Lincecum, the Braves have a better rotation. That series is probably going to the limit. Linececum probably won’t pitch on short rest… hasn’t been consistent this year and I’m not sure if the Giants are willing to mess with what they’ve got right now (a confident Tim Lincecum). If they have any chance in the later rounds, they need Timmy Jim to be Big Time.

    Halladay’s no-no sent shockwaves through the contending locker rooms… everyone noticed and the rest of the league believes that we are the Goliath. In baseball, being Goliath helps (it’s partially why the Yankees are up 2-0 on the Twins).

     
  • So what was the man who made the final play in Roy Halladay’s perfect game doing during the no-hitter? http://bit.ly/dprkwe

     
  • So what does OSWALT mean for the Reds? Oh Shit We Are Losing Tonight… O.S.W.A.L.T.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    sportsphan – the Reds have a bunch of good bullpen, including 4 lefties. 2 of those lefties were trotted out there on Wednesday. Wasn’t sure what they would get out of Wood but he was a starter with an ERA in the 3′s during the regular season so it’s no really a surprise that he did well. Ondrusek and Masset have both been solid out of the pen all season… both were used on Wednesday. Their relievers are going to have some success but if we focus on wearing them down and jumping on the starters early, we’ll have a better chance in these upcoming games. If we can tag the starters with 3-4 runs, we’ll be in good shape.

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    The demise of the PHI offense is premature. Both Howard and Utley put good swings on the ball, just it them into a hurricane force wind. While Rollisn can’t really run, he hit the ball hard also. PP back will help. Werth is truly unpredictable, but has enough of a rep to make Dusty waste a righty in the pen late in the game.

    The Giants have a truly anemic offense. Without the gift safe call on Posey, that game would have been extra innings. With that said, Atl has no offense (McCann, Heyward, and ?). Cain is every bit as good as any Braves starter, and if the Braves go down 2, they are done.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Someone on another blog……who I think posts on here occasionally….noticed that some clown on a Giants blog made this comparison between Lincecum’s game and Halladay’s no-hitter….

    “I also noticed a lot of hittable pitches last night by Halladay, fastballs on the meat of the plate that were taken for strikes or flailed at. Tonight, the Braves essentially saw only two pitches to hit out of the 117 or whatever that Tim threw (the 2 doubles).”

    Basically he’s totally discoounting Roy’s gem.

    Here’s the link to the Giants blog:
    http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/10/7/1737995/post-game-thread-tim-lincecum-oh-my#comments

    I wasn’t about to go through all 1958 comments to find it. The quote I mentioned is courtesy of someone from another Phillies blog who did.

    A Giants/Phillies series will be some serious fun here in the blogosphere!

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Truth is, on individual merits, Halladay threw 5-6 hittable pitches (which is an amazingly low amount – in a good start, probably about 15-20 hittable pitches, 5 or 6 outright mistakes). But pitches are not taken on their individual merits. A fastball down the middle can be unhittable if looking for a change-up down and out. 4 times out of 5, that walk would have been a strikeout – I give Bruce a ton of credit for leaving the bat on his shoulder.

    Linecum pitched great against an AAA lineup, still made two mistakes. Halladay didn’t make any mistakes against the best offensive line-up in the NL.

    Still have to get through 6 hours of work, but I have a batch of home brew porter in the fridge ready for trial.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I would hardly call the Braves a AAA team….but the fact that Halladay made the best offense in the NL look SILLY speaks for itself.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Chuck: that’s just not true.. ESPN had this thing showing virtually all of Roy’s strikes being around the edge of the plate, not right down the middle. I forget the number, but it was something beyond ridiculous!

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Triple A is harsh, but after McCann and Heyward, whose bat do you really fear? Lee still has a sluggers chance, but looks like he’s loading early, cheating/guessing. Infante is a pretty good contact hitter, and McClouth and Gonzalez can hurt you with a mistake, but they really don’t have a lot of big inning potential. Both Linecum and Halladay had great stuff, but Halladay and Ruiz had an amazing mental against a great offense – one of the all-time great post season performances.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Manny….I was at the game….and from where I was in the upper deck….even I could see that.

    When I got home and watched some of the replays….it just confirmed it. In fact, I think MLB Network showed ONE pitch that someone MIGHT consider over the middle of the plate. And even that pitch had some SERIOUS break to it.

    This a$$ on the Giants blog was just trying to start some sh*t.

     
 
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