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PN Roundtable: Regular Season MVP

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, October 04, 2010 07:06 PM | Comments: 88
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This is the Phillies Nation Roundtable. Earlier today, each of the PN writers gave their thoughts on the upcoming series and whether or not it was favorable to the Phillies. In this second roundtable for today, everyone chimes in on who they think was the star of stars this year for the Phils. Keep it here for everything playoffs related. Tomorrow we’ll have an in-depth breakdown of the series.

Question: The Phillies wrapped up the regular season yesterday, finishing 97-65. Who was the Phils regular season MVP?

Michael Baumann: The Phillies have made seven World Series, and each time rode at least one outstanding pitching performance (Alexander in 1915, Konstanty and Roberts in 1950, Carlton in 1980, Denny in 1983, Schilling in 1993, Hamels in 2008, and Lee in 2009). This year ought to be much the same.

With three of the team’s four best position players spending large portions of the year on the DL, the team MVP might as well go to a pitcher, and that pitcher might as well be Roy Halladay. He led the league in wins, K/BB ratio, complete games, shutouts, and innings pitched, and was the focal point of a season of heightened expectations and results all year long. Doc also posted a team-high 6.9 WAR, according to Baseball Reference, tying the second-highest total of his career.

Second place goes to Jayson Werth, who 1) played 156 games, no small feat considering how much downtime the rest of the team’s big bats did and 2) through all the bitching and moaning about his clutch performance, hit .296 with 46 doubles (a total that led the NL) and a team-high .921 OPS. Third place goes to Carlos Ruiz, who led the team in batting average and OBP, delivered in big situations and quietly finished with a higher OPS and more WAR than Chase Utley. Not enough has been said about the great season Chooch has had, but he’s been a stalwart in all aspects of the game.

Paul Boye: The answer for the Phillies’ most valuable player is almost too obvious. It’s Roy Halladay. The man pitched more than 250 innings (first since Curt Schilling in 1998), compiled a boatload of victories, and posted a 2.44 ERA with a 165 ERA+ (the first Philly starter to do that since Steve Carlton in 1980). Really, Doc has been near invaluable. His late-season scuffles notwithstanding, and especially in the face of all the injuries this team weathered, Doc Halladay has easily been the most valuable Philly in 2010.

Honorable mention: Jayson Werth. The impending free agent had a monstrous season. He’s the 10th Philly since 1901 to hit 45+ doubles and the 14th to accumulate 75+ extra-base hits, all while providing a stabilizing, right-handed force in the middle of a lefty-dominated lineup, while also playing a steady (if slightly awkward at times) right field. Werth’s walk year has been awfully impressive. And hey, even Derek Jeter had a tough year with two out and runners in scoring position once. It happens, and it shouldn’t detract from Werth’s fabulous year. His contributions shouldn’t be minimized.

Amanda Orr: Roy Halladay. Every five days is win day. He gave the Phillies a solid 250 innings. Complete Games. Shutouts. Perfect game. How can he not be the team MVP?

Second: Jayson Werth; Third: Ryan Howard.

Kieran Carobine: It has definitely been an exciting season this year for the Phillies. It seems like every other day there was a different player on the DL or nursing some kind of ailment. And most of the time, this was true. However, one of the few constants for the Phillies was the pitching of Roy Halladay. Halladay was exactly what they advertised. He finished the season leading the league in innings pitched, complete games and shutouts.

Dishing out offseason awards is always fun. And if the baseball writers get it right, you will see Roy Halladay’s name not only as Phillies’ MVP but quite possibly league MVP and NL Cy Young. The numbers he has put together and what he has meant to this Phillies team are unmatchable. In 33 starts, he struck out 219 batters, walked only 30, finish third in ERA while winning 21 games. Personally, I think the best of ole Roy is still to come. Halladay is finally going to be pitching in the playoffs and it is only going to get funner here on out.

Other Phillies players deserving on the team MVP would be Ryan Howard, Brad Lidge and/or Carlos Ruiz.

Pat Gallen: I’ll be different, just for the sake of it. I’m voting for my boy Carlos Ruiz.  He was the pulse of the offense for most of the season due to his extraordinary efforts with runners on base and his penchant for the clutch hit. Chooch also has a rapport with the pitchers that goes beyond statistics. He also led the team with a .302 average and on the offensive side of things, Ruiz is my MVP. He hasn’t hit 30+ homers like Howard or been a multi-threat like Werth, but without him, things would certainly be different.

Roy Halladay will come in a close second, since he’s going to win a Cy Young Award – he doesn’t need this fake award anyway. Halladay was incredible and without him, the bullpen would have been gassed coming into the postseason. The Phillies haven’t had a weapon like Doc since Steve Carlton.

Third, I’ll go with Cole Hamels. People were pining for the Hamels of 2008 and it just so happens that guy returned. He gave the Phillies a potent one-two punch with Halladay until Oswalt showed up, and Hamels did some of his best work late in the season.

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  • Posts: 0 Sweet Dee

    Thank goodness, Pat. I agree with you! Chooch!

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    1. Ruz
    2. Halladay
    3. Lidge/madson
    4. Polanco
    5. Howard

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Ruiz could hit like Dobbs and be the team MVP.
    The one player this team cant lose and still be the best team in MLB.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    When do they announce the playoff 25 man roster?

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    wed 10 am

     
  • Posts: 0 mike

    you might think i’m crazy…

    but i’m going with…valdez, castro, fransico, gload, schneider

    when just about every regular was hurt, these guys stepped up and kept the phils within striking distance of the braves…

    after them..it’s the pitching.

     
  • 1.DOC 2.RUIZ 3.HOWARD

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Thanks Andrew.

     
  • HONORABLE MENTION-Although not maybe MVP worthy,VALDEZ deserves some kind of reward for helping this team out so much!

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    1. Halladay
    2. Werth
    3. Ruiz
    4. Hamels
    5. Polanco

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    While it is tough to go against Roy Halladay, I’m going to echo Pat and Andrew’s take on this one.

    It’s Carlos Ruiz for his excellent handling of the pitching staff, his defense and clutch hitting. Only 4 passed balls in 121 games with the assortment of pitches this guy sees day in day out is extraordinary!

    Not many teams can boast a 7 or 8 hole hitter that leads the team in OBP and BA. , and had he not missed 40 games he may have been among the leaders in RBI as well.

    We are extremely fortunate to have three great SP’s, two of which came to us new this year with very high pedigrees. For a guy like Chooch to earn their respect says alot about his Baseball IQ and leadership.

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    Doc
    Ruiz
    Raul Ibanez. His numbers after the break and the Phillies resurgence a coincidence?

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    JPB I agree.

     
  • Posts: 0 bostonkate

    1. Chooch
    2. Doc
    3. Hamels

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    WOW
    Anyone familar with me can tell you I was on Ruizs jock in 07/08.
    Makes me feel good to see him getting the press.
    My favorite part of the Lee trade was losing Marson. Management understood though.

    I have to admit he is my favorite player EVER and will always be.

    BUT
    I am a realist if at some point him signing somewhere else or him being tradedis in the best interst of the Phillies then it is how it is.
    But I cant see that day coming in the next 3 years. No way.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan

    1. Howard
    2. Ruiz
    3. Halladay
    4. Ibanez
    5. Victorino

    …Let’s not kid ourselves. Howard’s run production is a must-have. Even when he’s not at his best, he’s still either driving runs in or even scoring runs. Our offense is not as prolific and does not have the same confidence or imposing presence without him.

     
  • ToddZolecki Reached Ruben Amaro Jr. earlier. He said Carlos Ruiz is “all good” after doctor’s visit for left elbow. Sounds like he’ll be OK for Game 1.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Think abou this. Chase utley the best player on the team isnt even being talked about. And the Phils still have a chance to win the WS.

    For me to put Howard 1 he’d need those 55 homers and 160 RBI
    because defense is so important.. That I have him 5th in his worst year shows how much I appreciate his hitting and presence in the lineup.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    @ Jay good news

    Even if he broke it I think hed gut it out in the playoffs though.

     
  • RYAN-EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT I AM THE BIGGEST HOWARD SUPPORTER,BUT EVEN THOUGH HE WAS STILL VERY GOOD,NOT THE MVP THIS YEAR………BUT OVERALL I THINK HE IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER!

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    Halladay of course.

    Chooch is up there, number 2

    Werth is 3. You could even say Raul is tied there too.

    I AM SO SIKED FOR WEDNESDAY!!!!! I wonder how Halladay will pitch in his first October baseball

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    Did anyone see the position match-ups on mlb.com? Total joke. They gave some guy named Hernandez the nod over Chooch? Votto over Howard??? Rolen over Polanco?? Give me a break, reds are good but I can’t wait to see how we come out guns blazing

     
  • Posts: 0 pheeling it

    No lefties in the rotation of the reds, no surprises. Let’s just put a 4 spot early and let the roy’s feed on the corners

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Votto over Howard is legit.

    The rest is a joke.

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    Pheeling it,

    I did a breakdown position by position yesterday. Being as unbiased as I could be, even favoring the Reds perhaps more than I should have, I came out with 1 position in the Reds favor. Votto slightly over Howard. I love Ryno, but the numbers this season are the numbers. I gave Drew Stubbs more credit than I should have, and gave him a tie with Vic. And Polly and Rolen also get a tie. Again, I’ll take Polly. Ruiz may be the best catcher in the NL. The Reds have nothing on him. Those match-ups on MLB are a joke.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    @ pheeling
    take all that stuff with a grain of salt. they do lists and stuff like that to spark debate.

    Hernandez has been a pretty good bat for awhile. Hit 20 homers a few years not that long ago. Hes a shell now though.

    Makes me laugh how stupid the media can be. Believe me this is why most people dont understand the sport. Because the media giving them information is stupid too. BUT I want it no other way. That our little secret Ruiz is appreciated here is enough. I get no satisfaction from others appreciating him. Rather them say Piazza is the greatest catcher of all time. And have the lucky 5% who understands Ruiz is bigger in this series than Votto and Victorino is better than Beltran. If it was the 95% who understood it then it would bore me.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    BTW
    Votto had a better year.
    Under no circumstances do I take him over Howard in this series. You take the proven commodity.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Joey Votto is the Reds X factor.

    If he produces like crazy….and Howard doesn’t…..

    ….(you all can finish the thought)…

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Votto is thier most important player.
    Could pitch around him some and should limit his damage.
    He is coming in with some issues though that I have discussed in some other threads. Been missing days for fatigue and not looking like himself etc etc.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Chuck,
    I’ll finish the thought-
    Then the other 24 Phillies will beat the 24 other Reds.
    We win this series as a team, the same way we’ve done it all year. Votto can even have the NLDS MVP if he wants it, then he can go home. We have work to do.

    How about that for a happy ending!

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Poppycrap…………Ruiz is the MVP….’nuff said…

     
  • Posts: 0 Adam

    So as for MVP gotta give it to Ruiz just for the sake of not giving it to Halladay who should win the NL Cy Young. Ruiz is just a rock by behind the plate and I love that the entire league has yet to recognize that if you throw Ruiz a fastball on the inner half it is going to get hammered.

    So was thinking about this today. The Phillies had their complete healthy lineup for a grand total of 14 games this season. If the Phils won 97 games with all the injuries, how many do the Phils win if the lineup is healthy. Assuming Oswalt trade occurs again and the bullpen injuries do not happen. Basically, saying what if the Phillies stayed as healthy as say the Giants who off the top of my head lost nobody super important for an extended period of time? I think it would not be unreasonable to think this team might have 105-110 wins.

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    Ricky Bo said it best when describing Ruiz; he hits every ball hard.

    Ruiz drives the baseball. No, he doesn’t have HR power, he has linedrive power. And he’s the best 8 hitter in either league. Best catcher in the NL, too.

     
  • Posts: 0 Publius

    MVP obviously belongs to Wilson Valdez. If he didn’t step up and take over the infield positions he did when Polly and Utley went down, then who would have?

    Oh, right, one of a slew of replacement-level infielders available, and they probably don’t GIDP nearly as much.

    Seriously though it’s gotta be Roy

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan

    I love the fact that the media and other teams STILL overlook Ruiz. It falls right into his hands. I can’t wait until a team intentionally walks Ibanez/Victorino to get to Ruiz with a runner in scoring position…and yes, it will happen. I know it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    There arent a slew of Valdezs
    Castro was ahead of him on depth chart to start the year. Where is he now?
    He is a valuable asset.

    Since its after midnight the Phillies play in the playoffs tomorrow.
    Roy Halladay to start!

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan

    Valdez is our key utility guy, but he is certainly not dynamic enough to be considered for MVP. He is a solid player, and did very well filling in for Rollins and co. However, if Rollins never went on the DL, he would still have contributed a little more over that span than Valdez did.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Ruiz is great clutch hitter but dont get spoiled by his hitting.
    He gets MVP for what he does for the team. Handling the staff and playing the most important position on the diamond.
    I seriously mean it when I say he could hit like dobbs and be this teams MVP. That he is so clutch just cements his status.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Valdez doesnt grow on trees.
    Imagine if he had a Dobbs or Bruntlett style year.
    Bruntlett was the util last year. Now insert him for Valdez.
    The double plays are just an aberation that the media and types put out there. Hes an 8th hitter no doubt. But he was extrememly key to the 2010 phillies.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan

    The one thing I notice about Votto…and you have my permission to argue profoundly with me on this but…he seems to be a guess hitter.

    I’ve seen him look really bad on pitches that he’s driven well out of the ballpark before. I’ve also seen him freeze often on hanging breaking balls and fastballs right down the middle. He is pretty damn good…but I just feel that pitchers could keep him off-balance and possibly out-smart him by mixing it up as much as possible.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Its all perception. Valdez way out did himself. He impressed me and proved valuable.
    Some people are mentioning Werth. Id not mention Werth or Utley in this conversation. Werths numbers with RISP and his extra base hits to RBI ratio batting 5th for the phillies are a big disappointment to me.
    Utley just had a sub par injury riddled year. Although I bet Chase is MVP of the post season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    You dont let Votto beat you. Like you dont let Pujos beat you with the cardinals. He shouldnt have much to hit. Period.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan

    I agree with that Andrew, but he has not contributed a considerable amount, especially not to our late-season surge. We got ourselves back in first place because players that Valdez filled in for like Utley and Rollins returned and ignited a spark in this team. Is THAT any coincidence? That’s not something that Valdez can do. He was a great defensive player, but he had an OBP of under .300.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am very grateful for what he has been able to do for us this year, but all the “Phillies MVP” talk about Valdez is going a little overboard.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Its all perception like I said. Moyer had more wins that Hamels and was only 1 behind doc when he got hurt but I hear no mention of him.
    Personally Id put Valdez over Werth this year. I am sure I am in the proud 5% on that. But you put a bat in RF and you get some built in numbers. Batting 5th for the phillies and playing RF gives you some stats. Like playing 1b does.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Im sure there is a Game Plan for Votto. I would maybe go after him if bases are empty and pitch around him if any runners on. The slight disadvantage is both parks are hitters park. I dont think we cant shut both Rolen an Votto completely out. They are going to get there hits. Damage control i believe is the key.

     
  • Posts: 0 biz

    Ryan – Valdez OBP was over .300, not by much, but still over. .306

    Valdez played a very good SS and 2B and got some very big hits for the Phillies. Remember that 11th or 12th inning rbi against the Marlins during that 8 game win streak that turned the season around? I do.

    For the character up thread who thinks utility guys grow on trees, I have 4 words for you: Eric Bruntlett Juan Castro. Oh yeah, Greg Dobbs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Publius was just being a wiseguy when he said that about Valdez being the MVP. He, along with a few others, were all over a few of us last week when we suggested just how important Wilson Valdez was this season.

    What he STILL doesn’t get is that Valdez actually was that valuable…..and that we probably wouldn’t be where we are right now if he didn’t step up. Even Uncle Cholly said that Valdez (paraphrasing) “might be the MVP of the team.”

    In my opinion, it’s really hard to pick a single MVP. There are so many guys. That’s why this club is special. All of them have stepped up at times to help the Phillies win some ballgames. It’s not like you have a clear-cut guy, like King Felix in Seattle, who stands apart from the others on a very bad club.

    ————-

    Lefty…

    I like your answer/thought at 10:39PM…”the other 24 Phillies will beat the 24 other Reds. We win this series as a team, the same way we’ve done it all year.”

     
  • Posts: 0 bfo_33

    Doc averaged 7-2/3 innings this year. Every 5th day, you knew he’d put you in a position to win, and not burn out your pen. He gave you the ability to pull Kendrick early when he didn’t have it, and not worry about needing to save middle relievers for the next day. While a lot of guys contributed on the way, no one else had a career year (maybe Valdez, I don’t think he ever sees 350 ABs in a season). The stats alone get him the award, not including his work ethic rubbing off on the rest of the staff, all the other intangibles.

    Polanco is the best #2 hitter in the league, and played better than expected at 3rd. His contributions don’t always make it to the box score (often moved the runner to scoring position vs knocking him in, keeping an inning alive), but may have been the most valuable offensive weapon on the team. Just imagine if he went through the season without bones chips in his elbow.

    Chooch a rock behind the plate and a decent stick this year, several clutch rbis.

    Howard and Werth had good seasons, but well documented holes, coming in at 4th and 5th.

     
  • Posts: 0 PizzaBagel

    Obviously Halladay is the best pitcher in the national league, if not in all of baseball. However, think about who calls all of his pitches? And how many signs does Halladay actually shake off? With his lethal combination of unbreakable defense as a backstop and potent stroke of the bat, Carlos Ruiz is Pizza Bagel’s MVP.

     
  • Posts: 0 Barry

    Ruiz. You have to include the way he works with pitchers–and that he virtually carried the team when they needed it most.

     
 
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