Davey Lopes Will Not Return
Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, November 01, 2010 03:56 PM | Comments: 87
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File this one under some sad news for the Phillies. Davey Lopes will not return in 2011 as the Phillies first base coach, according to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Lopes has spent the last four season with the club.
Lopes, 65 apparently was in a contractual dispute with the team and felt under-appreciated saying,
“We just had a difference of opinion on what I felt my worth was,” Lopes said by telephone. “That’s all. It was a really tough decision because I loved my time in Philadelphia, I loved working for [manager] Charlie Manuel, and I have the utmost respect for everyone in that organization.”
In his four years in Philadelphia, the Phillies led the National League in stolen base percentage each season. Lopes was a running guru and he will clearly be missed on the basepaths. He also had a great rapport with speedsters like Shane Victorino and Jimmy Rollins. No word yet on a replacement.
UPDATE, 5:15 pm:
Phillies Senior Vice President and General Manager Ruben Amaro Jr. made the following statement today regarding Davey Lopes:
“I found out about Davey’s decision today and clearly we are disappointed that he will not be a Phillie next season. We were hopeful that he would have remained with us as he did a fine job with our baserunners and our outfielders for the last four years. Going forward, we will immediately begin a search for his replacement.”
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
You cannot be serious. He deserves to be the highest paid base coach in baseball. Should there be a problem with that? Nice insider stuff, Jim. My mom knew this info at noon today.
The Dipsy
Posted: 03:59 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Phillygirl17
The thing is, he told us at Baseball 101 that there was a chance of him retiring this year.
Posted: 04:13 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Manny
I thought this was expected to happen, anyway. Sad news, anyway.
Posted: 04:16 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
This is devastating. IMO
The first real brick in the end of an era.
If he wants some more money they should pony it up.
He should be the highest paid coach in in the majors. Period
Most people wont get how devastating it is. It is a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10.
Just wait.
If the old man retired youd hire another coach. Lopes is irreplacable.
Posted: 04:19 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 branderson
Yeah, this obviously pisses me off.
I wonder how much money he wanted.
Posted: 04:20 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Did he also tell you at “Baseball 101″ that he was going to be in a “contractual dispute”
The Dipsy
Posted: 04:27 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 biz
Even our coaches are getting old.
Not a good sign.
Posted: 04:39 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Keegan
Little by little, the realization that 2008 was and will be only one year is getting bigger and bigger and the hope that it could replicate itself is getting smaller and smaller.
Basically no more Jayson Werth. No more Jamie Moyer. No more JC Romero. No more Davey Lopes?
Who’s next?
Posted: 04:58 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
What is this board turning into? No more WS wins??? No more Moyer or Romero? Good riddance to those two.
The Dipsy
Posted: 05:20 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Ryan H.
davy was a big reason for the phillies success. best coach in the game for running the basepaths. we should be letting perlozzo go and keeping lopes for whatever he wants to be paid
Posted: 05:28 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Ryan H.
people forget that jayson werth wasn’t even that big of a contributor in 2008. Geoff Jenkins was the primary starter in right field that year and had the biggest hit of the series against tampa.
Posted: 05:30 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 fred
Huge loss. Wonder how this will impact on Rollins and Victorinos abilities on the basepaths, probably more Shane than Jimmy. Without his base stealing Victorino’s offensive game is far less impactful. Hopefully what Lopes taught him will stick.
Posted: 05:33 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Perluzzo was kind of in question many times. Even though I never mentioned it before because I am Mr. Positive.
Good riddance to Moyer?
Talk about bad karma.
I agree with Keegan. I will know more in a few months. But its looking like maybe we arent a dynysty. Just a fun team weve had fun following. That did at least give us a title. Even if it is only one. Its special. Like the one Cody Ross and Freddy Sanchez are about to get.
Posted: 05:35 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Ted Bell
Just when you start believing that this organization “gets it”, something like this comes along. The same team that threw money away for the likes of Adam Eaton, Freddy Garcia, and Danys Baez (among others) gets into a salary dispute with their best coach. Wonderful.
I’m Ted Bell.
Posted: 05:57 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
@AFW – Yes, good riddance to Moyer. Sopping up payroll while pithcing ineffectively. Would you like to keep a guy like that. Please don’t say he was great in the clubhouse or a “second pitching coach”. We are going to get substantial payroll relief now that he’s gone.
The Dipsy
Posted: 06:05 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 jason in burbank
highest stolen base % in baseball is no more. should have paid the guy
Posted: 06:13 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Kate
Damn, I’m going to miss Davey’s prominent Klingon brow and his perennial look of constipation. We had some great times with him.
Any chance Perlozzo gets the switch to first base and we bring in a new third base coach?
@Dipsy: I can’t wait to see you cry if Jamie gets into decent shape in the Dominican League and comes back as long relief out of the pen.
Posted: 06:17 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Kate
I think JonFogg on Tweets is onto something. Oswalt pitches every fifth day. He could platoon as third base coach with someone else coming in for his starts.
Hahahaha!
Posted: 06:19 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 biz
Kate,
I remember doing “Davy Lopes” chants in the nosebleeds with the other drunken rabble rousers at the Bank. Gonna miss it.
Posted: 06:25 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
I would love to see Jamie get in shape and come back and pitch out of the pen. He will for someone. He’ll make a great loogie.
The Dipsy
Posted: 06:39 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY
NOT GOOD.NOT GOOD AT ALL!!!!
Posted: 06:52 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Good riddance is putting him down.
He pitched great and earned his contract.
Before his injury he had more wins than Hamels had in his entire career over the same period of time.
Hes gone and I dont want him back. His contract was up so we arent freeing up anything. He pitched out and lived up to his contract.
I wish him the best.
Davey will be sorely missed. More so than it is even being discussed here.
Posted: 06:53 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Moyer will be signed by someone. And id bet he makes a rotation to start the year. Just doesnt fit here.
He will be signed to a minor league contract and make it as a 5 for a team like the Mariners or Pirates or Brewers.
Posted: 06:55 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
AFW – Andy, Moyer made 8m this year. He earned that? Then you and I must have a serious disagreement as to what constitutes value. The reason he doesn’t fit here is that he’s not good enough to be in the rotation. Unless there is another reason why he doesn’t fit that I’m missing. Letting Lopes go is a gigantic mistake. I just can’t believe that the Phils just wouldn’t meet his price. There has to be more to it. Hopefully, “Insider” Jim Salisbury can get on this soon. I understand that he’s currently working on a story about the Japs bombing some place called Pearl Harbor. If this is true, and JSal is stressing that right now that he only has one source for his story, that this could really upset relations in the Pacific Rim. Stay tuned.
The Dipsy
Posted: 07:21 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Kate
Moyer didn’t earn his paycheck this year the same way Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins didn’t earn their paychecks this year.
He was out half the season on the DL. Though I’m sure if Jamie had been able to come back in time like Chase was, he couldn’t have done much worse in the playoffs.
I do agree with you on one thing, however, Dipsy. Lopes is a huge loss.
Posted: 07:32 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 bigbobster
Losing Lopes will hurt, considering the Phils need to think about playing some smallball in 2011. Ok, so baserunning probably won’t improve in 2011, and the whole three-run hr philosophy has run its course. Last week Kruk said the Phils were the worst situational hitting team in the majors. That’s rough. I don’t see how this team can slug it out next year as they’ve been doing for past five years or so.
Posted: 08:35 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 brooks
I dont understand how management could let Lopes go. Who doesn’t see the value he gave this team?
Constipated, good one Kate – definitely embodied this teams spirit.
I hope the Phils will carry an extensive search for someone to replace him
Posted: 09:05 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova
I think Lopes really is the only one on the staff I like, I am not a huge Charlie fan, but respect what he has accomplished. I think Perlozzo is garbage. I am not that high on Gross either. Dubee has had his moments.
Not sure who they are going to get to replace Lopes, but I think they should go get Ryne Sandberg and put him somewhere on this staff maybe as a hitting coach…. he has a pretty good resume.
Posted: 09:17 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Bob Myers
Need more inside information on this. I loved Lopes and his timing of pitchers and precision, but my impression is that we did NOT run very much this year, despite good overall percentages. Does anyone know how we stack up against other teams in terms of number of bases stolen.
Whatever the answer, Lopes is arguably the best 1st base coach in baseball. I imagine most of us here would take a military assignment in Afghanistan for his salary though…..
Posted: 09:33 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Bob Myers
By the way, Renteria’s three run homer proves Cliff Lee is hittable, beatable, and not the post season clutch and lock. This is two games in a row facing the Giants that Cliff Lee has been less than his usual post season standard……
Posted: 09:45 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 bacardipr05
Wow we need some changes but I dont think that was the man. I do believe we need a new batting coach. I respect Gross and remember following him as a kid. Andrew i think this team still has one legitimate shot at winning the world series….This will depends on if RAJ makes the right moves everyone is healthy and plays up to par…Wow cant believe them dam Giants…I think its just there year there turn…l
Posted: 09:46 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Wasnt Moyer leading the team in wins when he got hurt?
Dip hes OFF. It was the last year of his contract.
So thats that. He is recieving 0 from the phils now.
Your kind of arguing in a circle. We agree he shouldnt come back.
If your saying his signing was bad I disagree. He won a ton of games for the phils. Like I said previously before his injiury for the time he was with the phils which coincided with Cole Hamels entire career he had won more games. So if he sucked then Hamels whole career sucked.
The Lopes thing is BIG.
Posted: 09:46 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 bacardipr05
Bob i believe Lee should of been pulled..the Rangers have a lil bit of the Philononudrums…relievers are a bit spotty..
Posted: 09:47 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Kate
It’s a world gone mad.
Lopes is gone, Lee is beatable under the right circumstances… what’s going on this week?
Posted: 10:10 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Bart Shart
Lopes was the best first base coach in baseball. He is also age 65. I am close to that age and that travel schedule when you are older is murder. There is a reason why he looks constipated all the time, believe me. He also has had health problems and most likely wants to be paid well for his time because he really doesn’t know how much time he has left. Most of us this age feel every jet ride and every new city and every bad meal. It’s a bitch getting old and Davy is getting old. But he still is the best in the game at what he does. Damn shame to lose him.
Posted: 10:17 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY
atleast we got beat by the champs….lol
Posted: 10:36 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Guess the Giants won the series.
Next year when old AFW tells you stuff like when the Braves were up 7 that the phils would win the divsion easily and not to worry.
Or that the Giants were clearly the biggest threat the Phils had faced in 4 years in the playoffs.
The Giants beat the Phils. the best phils team ever. But it was close.
This actually shows the phils in a better light.
and good for Pat the Bat. One of my all time favorites.
And dont forget the highest paid Giant is Barry Zito who wasnt even on the roster. Its not always about pay roll and how you spend your money.
Phils need to get younger and talent isnt always variable #1.
Posted: 10:37 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Well AFW, its funny that as he kept winning all those games, with a 4.55 ERA, he got left off of post season rosters. Yes, his signing was bad. I don’t blame Moyer for taking the money, just Amaro for giving it to him. My reasoning isn’t “circular” ????. You said he doesn’t fit here. I agreed and said the reason he doesn’t “fit” is that he’s not good enough. Pretty straightforward I think. You’re right…he’s off and thank god for it.
The Dipsy
Posted: 10:38 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Dipsy he was hurt in 09 and 10
and pitched well in 08 playoffs
Really man!
Its officially off season now.
Posted: 10:43 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Kate
Jamie Moyer would be good enough in any ballclub that didn’t already have Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels in its rotation.
Big Roy’s a great combination of talent, worth ethic, and smarts.
Cole has definitely earned every inch of redemption he’s gotten this season. What a great turnaround.
Little Roy is just a FUN pitcher to watch when he’s on his game.
Moyer brings two decades worth of experience to his game and it showed when he carved the Yankees up earlier this year, one start after the worst start of his career in Boston. Remember how he confounded the Braves with a complete game shut-out?
I’ll probably catch a lot of crap for saying this, but H2O hope and pray they’ll be as good as Jamie Moyer is when they’re his age.
Posted: 10:44 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Really with the Moyer hatred
I dont get it at all
Except that hes a soft tosser and most fans want to see the big arms.
Like comparing a singles hitter to a home run hitter.
Chicks dig the long ball as they say.
Posted: 10:45 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY
Joe Blanton has as many extra-base hits in the WS as Burrell.
Posted: 10:45 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
@ kate
none of them will be pitching at 45 let alone 48
they probably wont be pitching at 40
Posted: 10:45 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
@ Jay but pats got
2 rings now
SNAP!
Posted: 10:46 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY
yes andrew but 2-35 in ws is god awful
Posted: 10:48 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Im glad its over
They were preempting the Office every night at 7 30
to show this series
Which I am going to bet will go down as the lowest rated series ever.
Posted: 10:48 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf
Just win baby
I didnt watch this series at all
Didnt know PTB was struggling
But I did watch the last 2 months out west. Make no mistake. Without Pat they arent in the playoffs. Not even close.
Posted: 10:49 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY
ANDREW-THIS WAS LOWEST WS EVER,IN TERMS OF VIEWING
Posted: 10:50 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY
HE ALSO HAD 13K’S
Posted: 10:51 PM on November 1, 2010
Posts: 0 JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY
103 days until pitchers & catchers report
Posted: 10:52 PM on November 1, 2010