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Trade Option: Carlos Quentin

Posted by Pat Gallen, Sat, November 20, 2010 01:56 PM | Comments: 30
2010-11 Free Agency, Analysis, Opinion, Posts

Over in Chi-town, he was once known as “TCQ” and “Q-uperman.” After a trade brought him to the White Sox from the Diamondbacks, Carlos Quentin took the south side by storm in 2008. Since then, it’s been a rash of injuries and disappointment for the once-budding star.

TCQ stands for “The Carlos Quentin,” which is quite a nickname for a guy who hadn’t lived up to expectations but for one season. During that 2008 campaign, Quentin destroyed American League pitching to the tune of .288/36/100 with an OPS of .965. He did that damage in just 130 games, as he missed the final month due to a fractured wrist he suffered after slamming his bat in frustration.

After sub-par seasons in ’09 and ’10, Quentin is now on the market to be traded, according to sources. How would he fit in Philly?

While scouring the Twitter deck and the Facebook machine, I’ve come to find varying opinions on Carlos Quentin. One subject no one talked about was the facial hair. The dude has a pretty mean scruff and might rival Jayson Werth in that department if he felt so inclined…but anyway.

On one hand, many like his power and his bit of upside at 28-years old – after all, he’s just now heading into his prime. The upside would be a reformation to his ’08 days when he was an MVP candidate (he finished fifth) and an All-Star. During that  breakout, Quentin killed right-handed pitching (.303 average) and was fantastic with runners in scoring position (.311 avg/.984 OPS).

As his numbers have diminished, the injuries have mounted and his luck has turned. In 2009, his BABIP was an extremely low .221. Quentin hit, it just seems he hit it right at people. In 2010, that stayed at a fairly-low .245.

On the other hand, the knock on him has always been his ability to hit left-handed pitching. Quentin’s career average against lefties is just .212. How would that fit into the Phillies order already filled with lefty batters?

That, of course, is the issue. Can the Phillies make a play for a guy who can’t hit lefties when the guy he would likely be hitting behind, Ryan Howard, can’t hit lefties either? The power Quentin can provide would more than make up for the loss of a guy like Jayson Werth should the Phils be unable to resign him. Still, what does it matter if he’s right handed if he can’t hit southpaws in this already-too-lefty order?

TCQ’s defense is also ugly. His UZR over the past few seasons in Chicago has been downright awful. You can blame some of that on the fact that he’s dealt with foot ailments over the past two seasons. But you can also blame it on the fact that he’s not a very good fielder. Carlos Quentin is in the lineup, first and foremost, for his bat.

CHANCES: Quentin seems to be very much available and although he wouldn’t be a superb fit in the Phillies outfield because of his defensive deficiencies and left-handed woes, he would be a decent #5 hitter in this order. He’s a Stanford guy too (like Ruben Amaro) which might benefit him. I’ll give this one six Ruben Head’s. There’s a decent chance they make a play for TCQ.

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  • Posts: 0 NJ

    He would be a superb acquisition to add a right handed bat to replace Werth’s offensive and move to left when Raul isn’t resigned.

    Just a case of whats the cost?

     
  • Posts: 0 bsizzle

    So how is Quentin supposed to be that much better than Brown, or Francisco for that matter? Except for the fact that he’s a righthander… who apparently can’t hit lefties.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Quentin has Werth like ability with the bat but has been hampered by injury. The Phils need a right handed bat that can drive in runs and thats not Francisco.

    If you add Quentin then Brown doesn’t have the pressure to immediately contribute as an everyday player, in the last year of his deal you can afford to reduce Ibanez playing time if he isn’t contributing and you then go into 2012 with 29 year old power righty Quentin in left, Victorino in centre and Brown with a year of major league experience under his belt.

    Quentin is as good a bat as your going to get on the trade market.

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyPhan331

    We absolutely need some right handed starter in the lineup every night. We have a ton of lefties, which can be a great thing. But it can hurt us in a series that has lots of left handed pitching. Howard cant hit lefties to save his life, so we need a threat behind him. we cant have our 3, 4, 5 hitters being looked at as a breeze for some left handed pitcher. Of all our threats, I think Howard has been THE LEAST clutch of them all. All his noise is made in early innings, or in spots that arent big in the course of games. It seems to me he strikes out EVERY SINGLE TIME that he can win the game with a big hit. We need someone behind him, that can win the game, when it counts. Werth even had a major walk off this year vs the Nationals to slit the Braves throat for their division hopes. Werths numbers with R.I.S.P. were down we all know, but they knew he will get them if they make a mistake vs Jayson. They feared him because he could hit it out to all fields, he protects very well with 2 strikes, and he hit doubles better than anyone. If he goes, we need to fill his spot, with a righty. Otherwise, Dom Brown could just do it. And then we could get Right handed pop from another position. But where? Ibanez’s spot is filled for this season to the tune of 12 million dollars. Victorinos defense is hard to make a case to get him outta center. The entire infield is locked up. Rollins is the only one you could even argue making a real change, and I wouldnt do that unless he has another season like last year. Just pay Werth. All this nonsense will go away. Move Blanton, save the 10 mil, and give it to werth. Im sure Vance Worley can go 5 innings a night with a 6.00 era into august for 10 mil less than Blanton. We have 3 aces. Move Blanton, and any minor leaguer could do as well. Even with his last 10 starts that were pretty good, he still didnt get his era under 6.00 until the end of the season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    pass

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Isn’t anyone a bit nervous about the idea of going into 2012 with just Victorino, Brown and Francisco under contract?

    If we lose Werth I’m very concerned about being forced to bid in free agency or attempt a trade at that point.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    pass….

     
  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    It’s really hard to comment on proposed trades without knowing what the other team wants back in return. Maybe Chicago is feeling guilty about taking Gio Gonzalez & Gavin Floyd off of our hands for Freddy Garcia and wants to give us a discount (ha ha).

    I’m Ted Bell.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    There are LEFT HANDED hitters who hit better against left handed pitchers than Quentin does (.221 lifetime?) and Quentin is injury prone and lousy on defense.

    Sign someone else! Anyone else!

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Sorry, his average is worse than I thought; I got the numbers transposed, so his average is actually .212!

    Even Ryan Howard, who “cant hit lefties to save his life” has a better record than that. I’d guess even Eric Bruntlett had better numbers against lefties.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    The Phillies have zero chance at Upton… Zero

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    I want to see Boston get Upton.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    Maybe RAJ can get Kevin Towers drunk and offer Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez for Upton…

    I’m Ted Bell.

     
  • Posts: 0 betasigmashag

    I know it is a streach but I would not put it passed RAJ to pull this trade off if he wants it. But Instead of Raul why not throw Vic and Blanton in a deal, would that leave enough money to sign Wreth Upton, Wreth, Raul in the outfield would not be bad for a year, or even if you use the money for more pitching and have Raul, Upton, Brown, and you give AZ Vic, Blanton , and some minor leaguers like the Rizzoto guy who will never see the majors in Philly. Would Blanton Vic be enough to get upton, you could still lose Wreth Platoon Raul, Ben Fran, have Brown and Upton. It would leave you with Kendrick and Worley as your 4-5 starters.

     
  • Posts: 0 betasigmashag

    I know I am crazy, but I have some faith in RAJ to get something done weather it is with or with out signing Jayson, which if Boras does not come off of 5-7 years would not happen for any amount of money unless it was something like 6 66 million or 7 years 80 million which is no where near the money he wants. But by Christmas I think we will all have a special present under our signing tree, just a feeling

     
  • Posts: 0 betasigmashag

    As far as TCQ I do not see what the deal is if he is a right handed batter that hits like a lefty, and he can not play defense, unless it is some kind of three or four way trade. I say pass on this guy playing in RF for the phightins 2011

     
  • Posts: 0 brooks

    Sounds like his trade value is low right now. Might be worth a minimal investment to see what might happen.

    If he doesn’t work out he is expendable. If he does, it might be like another Werth discovery.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    TOTALLY not interested in this guy.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 betasigmashag

    Dipsy I thought you sais earlier this was the guy you wanted, my bad, put your GM hat on and assume you can not ger Wreth who would you like to fill that spot, and is Upton a possibility

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Why in God’s name is this guy even being considered? Seriously??

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    From what I’ve read, Towers is approaching a possible Upton trade the same way Riccardi approached a Halladay trade. He seems to want half of a ML team for him. It would be too costly to replace the players required to get Upton, so in the long run it’d be cheaper just to keep Werth.

    I don’t really think RAJ is serious about Quentin. He’s an outfielder on the trade block, so Amaro has to at least give him a look. He’s probably looking at lots of others that the rumor mongers haven’t heard about yet. We’ll surely hear other names besides Upton and Quentin, but that doesn’t mean they’re soon to become Phils.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Beta: I will answer your question. I would investigate Magglio Ordonez, Apparently he has concluded rehab for a broken ankle and and if he is even %80 of the player he was, then that would be plenty. I can’t imagine that he would command a contract the the Phils could not handle. While developing Brown is important, I think we need desperately to get more right handed. Ordonez, when right, is a flat out stud.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    But Ordonez is a Type A.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    There’s no point even thinking of Upton as a long-shot, the Phils are one of the worst fits to get a deal done.

    Arizona cannot afford to trade the face of their franchise for one so any deal would have to include young cheap proven major leaguers, the Phils have one in Hamels and one elite cheap in Brown and that’s pretty much all the chips the Phils have to land a young superstar on a team that isn’t getting rid of a guy to cut payroll. The D-Backs don’t have the payroll ability to even entertain the idea of guys like Blanton and Victorino even if they wanted them, they want young controllable or contract friendly players.

    Upton is an entirely different entity to Halladay because of the nature if their service times and contract situations. Towers is floating Upton but how many years have the Brewers supposedly fielding offers for Fielder? From what the insiders seem to be saying the only reason Upton gets traded is if it’s a Delmon Young situation.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    You’d have to say that the following guys who can play RF are unavailable: Bruce, Choo, Cruz, Ethier, Heyward, Markakis, Pence, Ichiro, Stanton.

    (Excluding Upton) maybe the Phils look at guys like Hart or Swisher who might be available unless you wanna go down a road like Ryan Ludwick or JD Drew or Jermaine Dye…

    Available good hitters you can get for an affordable price are a commodity because there aren’t many guys on the market not near free agency who aren’t indispensable to their teams (for marketing and fan relation reasons in many cases)

    When you consider the Brewers were probably asking for a lot for Corey Hart hence him staying a Brewer, I’d be pretty happy to land a guy like Quentin over say Dye or Francour.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    You also have to ask yourself why is Arizona so intent on trading Upton? Do they know something about his shoulder that nobody else does? No way do you give up the farm for a guy with a shoulder problem that may need surgery one day.

    Magglio cannot play a NL schedule even as a platoon player, too stiff. Quentin is the worst option though. A righty who cannot his lefties is absolutely useless to us. Unless they can trade for someone, I would just go and sign Franceour for cheap and platoon him with Brown. Dye wants to play everyday, and that wont happen with us.

    Until he got injured Xavier Nady would have been a great fit, not so sure now though unless he comes as cheap as Franceour does on a one year deal. The only other guy on the current FA list who may be useful is Austin Kearns – again – for cheap.

    If they cannot land someone in a trade like Corey Hart, then they should wait. Ryan Ludwick and Matt Diaz will probably be non-tendered, making them free agents. Both of those guys are decent options at good value.

    Shin Soo Choo would be perfect for our lineup, unfortunately, he is most certainly unavailable.

     
  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Off topic-

    Both Doc’s Perfect game and no hitter in full are on MLB Network today. Marlins 5/29 game on now.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    You know I think Austin Kearns is an interesting idea for a stop-gap, not flashy but he contributes when given the chance.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    pass

     
 
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