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Phillies “Kick Tires” on Rangers Michael Young

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, February 10, 2011 08:00 AM | Comments: 38
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As first reported by Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com, the Phillies put in a call to the Texas Rangers to discuss Michael Young, although talks were considered “brief.”

Young has announced his displeasure with the Rangers organization for dangling him in a trade after assuring him he was part of their future. That, in addition to signing or trading for multiple players that would take his place, including third baseman Adrian Beltre and catcher/DH Mike Napoli.

The call made by the Phillies to inquire about Young is nothing more than a team doing their “due diligence,” which has become the chic term from the mouth of Ruben Amaro. With somewhat of a need for a right handed bat with some pop, making the call for the perennial All-Star was a no-brainer. However, it’s not surprising nothing came of it.

Young, 34, is owed $48 million over the next three seasons; a healthy number for someone that age. That’s an annual average of $16 million, or roughly $10 million more than starting third baseman Placido Polanco is owed. At this stage, Young’s defense is lacking and would not be considered an upgrade over Polly, who is also 34.

Yes, Young has some pop in his bat, as evident by the 21 home runs he hit last year. But no one is sure is trading away Joe Blanton and more is worth another aging star.

If you’re asking my opinion here, the answer is no, it is not. I’ve been one of Michael Young‘s biggest fans on the east coast. Always enjoyed that sweet swing and the consistency he’s provided the past decade in Texas. At this stage in his career, however, that salary, added to an already bulging payroll in Philadelphia, makes little fiscal sense.

If this were last offseason, before the Polanco signing, then maybe you’d sway me. Right now, there’s nothing to see here.

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  • Posts: 2 GoofGas

     
  • Posts: 3 Dennis

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    I agree Pat.

    He would be a nice piece to any lineup, however his age and money owed raise a big red flag, stay away Rube.

     
  • Posts: 140 Don M

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    from the other thread posted JUST before Pat posted this topic:

    From MLBTR.com …. The Phillies recently contacted the Rangers to express interest in Young, three league sources told Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com. The talks ultimately didn’t get very far and are no longer active. One of the sources characterized the interaction as “tire kicking” on the part of the Phillies. It should be noted that the Phillies are not one of the eight clubs that Young would approve trades to, though the 34-year-old says that he would consider deals to teams not on the list.

    …..
    So that answers my question that YES, the player has the ability to accept a deal to a team that was originally on his NO-TRADE list…

    But more importantly, it shows in Philadelphia sports just how annoying the internet has become . . . Jon Gruden as the new Eagles head coach was replaced in rumors by Michael Young to the Phillies – which on the surface doesn’t sound so crazy

    but when listening to ESPN radio last night, people were calling in and suggesting Joe Blanton AND Domonic Brown for Michael Young … which the Phillies wouldn’t ever consider. Another report said that Young would play 3b, meaning the Phillies would trade Polanco and Blanton …. but that doesn’t make any sense because the Rangers have NO NEED for a 2b/3b .. which is why Young wants to leave to begin with! ..

    ugghhh internet rumors really grind my gears!

     
    • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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      Don, I’m right there with you brother.

      With the ever changing news landscape, we are sort of forced to address topics like this – ones that aren’t really news at all. Most people in the know realize that Young coming to Philadelphia isn’t very likely. But people see a name and some numbers and automatically get excited over it.

      It’s a shame because of the internet it’s gotten this way lately, but on the other hand I’d be out of a job, sort of.

       
      • Posts: 140 Don M

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        Pat… not blaming YOU guys at all… or High Cheese.. etc..

        but the half-a$$ed Tweeters.. and sports radio hosts that hear a rumor like this – which my first impression of was NO CHANCE IN HELL THAT HAPPENS … and they run with it and try to create scenarios like how trading Brown for a guy that doesn’t play the OF is a good idea

        or trading Polly and Blanton for another player that makes the same as those two combined, etc..

        people don’t use their heads enough. Im glad that you guys waited to get facts and then addressed the non-issue today instead of last night! …. Any team in baseball that DOESN’t call the Rangers about Young should fire their GM because he isn’t doing his job … you should always check in on any available player to at least see what they are asking in return!!!

         
      • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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        I responded on the other thread…

        ” It just shows that A LOT of people that post on sports blogs or call in to radio shows or post on Facebook don’t consider the ramifications of some of the stuff they are suggesting. What sane person would really think that Blanton and Brown or Blanton and Polanco for Michael Young would actually happen?”

        Pat, great job as always with this site. Keep it up. You and the rest of PN make all of our days just a little more enjoyable.

         
      • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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        Thanks Chuck, appreciate it.

        Everyone is an expert these days with the internet at their fingertips. We are only a “blog” but we have been able to set ourselves apart from the rest, which is nice. Crashburn Alley actually just addressed this, sort of, yesterday: http://crashburnalley.com/2011/02/09/the-bad-and-the-ugly-on-bleacher-report/

        As far as the Young rumors go, it makes little sense to add $36 million in payroll for a guy who is the same age as Polanco and who is less of a defender. He’ll give more home runs, but everything else is just about equal down the line. Except salary.

         
      • Posts: 1110 Manny

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        I would say that the least informed fans are the ones who call in to radio shows… then Facebook… then newspaper articles (aka philly.com)… and then you have the sports blogs, which is at a whole different level. Frankly, sites like this one are the best places for someone to share comments and opinions with a knowledgeable crowd. And you always keep learning about your team rather than just blabbing away… It’s why I come here all the time.

         
      • Posts: 140 Don M

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        I agree 110% with Manny . . . this is by far the most knowledgable spot regarding the Phillies fans.. I get so frustrated listening to even 97.5 (which blows 610 so far out of the water for Phillies-stuff its amazing)

        But even last year.. Dan Schwartzman had a 3 hour show openly asking WHY Placido Polanco had the inside track to the 2nd spot in the lineup, because Victorino had done a pretty nice job, etc. . . .

        And there was NO POSSIBLE WAY that he could be a sports host, seemingly know the game of baseball, and the Phillies … and think that Victorino was a better 2-hole option than Polanco!…

        The best thing about 97.5, is that Jayson Stark calls in once a week to clear up all the random BS that has been talked in the previous week. I wish we could get Jayson Stark to write here, since I can’t view his ESPN page .. it gets blocked at work

         
      • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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        I can’t stand Dan Schwartzmann. Even the sound of his voice pisses me off. MOST of the guys at 97.5 are pretty good (especially if you’re comparing them to those idiots at 610).

        Jayson Stark is probably the BEST…or one of the best…baseball analysts out there. Maybe he should have a show on there like Sal Pal does with his “Sal Pal Football Hour”

         
  • Posts: 7 mick

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    Look elsewhere for a righthanded bat….The Phillies are good at 3rd base and as far as Blanton is concerned….He should be our fifth starter….not Kendrick, but that’s just my opinion!!!!

     
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    And I want to hear Dipsy’s take on this. The other day he blurted out of nowhere “I want Michael Young”

    Dipsy……????

     
  • Posts: 36 Phillistein

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    Nothing to see here folks……………………………….

    …………………………………………………….move along

    (A deal for Young makes about as much sense as giving Raul a five-year contract extension)

     
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    Nice call-out on Crashburn Alley. Thanks for sharing. And what does it say on the top of this page??…

    “More than a Blog”

     
  • Posts: 79 Ted Bell

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    Most scouting reports I’ve seen say Young is a below average defender at three infield positions. He’s never played a game in the outfield in his career (though some people seem to think that’s where he’d fit into the Phillies plans). His home/away splits were awful (5 HRs, .679 OPS on the road last year). He’s 34 and still guaranteed $48 million. I don’t see how he could be a worse fit for this team.

    I’m Ted Bell.

     
  • Posts: 55 Captain Chaos

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    I’m inclined to agree with everyone so far that this is all but impossible, but since the idea came up I’ve been trying to think of ways that it could be possible. I’m excluding anything crazy like trading Utley or Polanco since Young’s defense is questionable at best.

    Given Young’s stats and right handed swing he’d be great in the number 5 spot, but I had to think to myself where could we hide somebody with bad defense since 1st base is occupied… Left field. It’s the one outfield position we can hide him in since Victorino & Brown/Francisco can cover enough ground to hide it a bit just like they’ve been doing for Ibanez. That might be the only way the Phils could enjoy his excellent bat and tolerate his terrible defense.

    The real trick though would be the numbers. No way in hell would I want the Phillies to take on his contract 48 Million over the next 3 seasons forget it. But if Texas paid half the salary, and we unload Raul’s 12 million onto them it would start to make sense for the Phillies we’d get a right handed power bat, at a minimum cost.

    However, this deal would need some kind of sweetener I think to get Texas to agree, unless they are desperate to get rid of him and any salary relief they can find. So far doesn’t sound like too many people are interested. Personally I doubt there’s anything to the rumor, even the rumor said they were just kicking the tires. Just thought i’d put out the idea see what you guys think.

     
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      That’s about the only way it could make sense, Captain Chaos… and if MLB was like the NBA, trading a veteran puzzle piece like Young for an expiring bad contract like Ibanez might actually work!

       
      • Posts: 55 Captain Chaos

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        Like I said no way there’s anything to it though. Besides the Rangers seem to think they should be getting a great player or prospect back for Young. (Good luck). So no way they’d take a deal favoring the Phillies, and I’m fairly sure Ruben wouldn’t do anything crazy and give them someone good. I don’t care though just glad to be talking baseball again.

         
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      The real trick would be to get Ibanez to waive his no-trade clause. He came to Philly to win a championship and this year might be his last chance ever. Why go to the Rangers instead of staying with the NL-favorites?

      Ibanez is staying, and he’ll probably have a better year (statistically) than 2010. RAUUUUUUUUUUL!

       
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    The Rangers have their head up their a$$es if they actually think they’re gonna get a great player or prospect back. Maybe some low or mid-level prospect ends up panning out in the long run….but if they actually think that a player like Domonic Brown is coming their way for someone like Michael Young (and, again…no disrespect to Young…he’s a great bat) then they should think again.

    I’m not saying that the Rangers EXPECTED Brown to be dealt. I just think they now have a problem on their hands that’s probably only going to get bigger as time goes on. They have a disgruntled player….a fan favorite…. in the ranks…and are going to have a harder time finding at-bats for him with Beltre and Napoli now on the team.

     
  • Posts: 206 The Dipsy

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    I am here. If I were Ruben, then I would trade for Michael Young (and I stated this the other day) if we were not on the hook for all that money, obviously. I suggested something like Ibanez (a reasonable hitter with a high price tag, but for only one more year) and a combo of some type of AA pitchers that we have, Rissoto, Mathieson (since for some reason the Phillies just don’t wanna use him). Maybe they know something I dont. A melange, if you will, of the aforementioned names being made available. Then Young goes to LF and bats fifth. Would the Rangers be content with Ibanez for a year plus some promising talent to go with it while still eating some of Young’s salary? Don’t know. Rangers were in bankruptcy and they might like to shed some payroll. For instance, here is a deal the Phils might offer (something on this level). Ibanez, Rissoto, DeFratus for Young (plus some $$). You can change the names around if you like but something in this value range. I don’t wanna hear this crud about us getting older. If Ibanez left we would actually get younger.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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      The Rangers would have to take on A LOT of Young’s salary for AT LEAST the two remaining years after Raul’s contract runs out.

       
    • Posts: 79 Ted Bell

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      A swap of Ibanez for Young only makes the Phillies only slightly younger for 2011. The Phillies will then be stuck with Young (who’s no longer as good as everyone seems to think he is) for two more years, so they’ll be right back where they started – having a declining player on a bad contract.

      I’d rather go younger and cheaper in LF & RF than get locked in to another bad contract. Believe it or not, there are plenty of players under the age of 30 who can put up Young’s mediocre numbers.

      I’m Ted Bell.

       
      • Posts: 1110 Manny

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        I’m with Ted Bell.

        **Well, at least until you said Young puts up “mediocre numbers” cause that just simply isn’t accurate. ~200 hits per season isn’t bad.

         
  • Posts: 206 The Dipsy

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    Ted – I agree. Try trading for one without giving up a real good player.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 79 Ted Bell

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      That’s where RAJ has to earn his money…spotting high upside players before they break through. This cycle of taking on aging players with bad contracts needs to end or one day we’ll wake up and the entire starting lineup will be over 35.

      I’m Ted Bell.

       
  • Posts: 140 Don M

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    I think to say that Michael Young isn’t an All-Star caliber player is selling him very short …. That said, just because he puts up good numbers does not mean he fits on our team at all..

    He isn’t a better defensive player than any of our 2b, SS, or 3b … The Rangers have NO need for Polanco because they have Kinsler, Andrus, and Beltre (unless they would put Polanco at 2b, and Kinsler at DH)

    They have no need for Ibanez because they already have Hamilton, Cruz, Borbon.. and Murphy.. and I dont think they would want Ibanez as their DH ..

    The Phillies shouldn’t and wouldn’t take on Young’s salary . . . there are way too many reasons why this won’t work .. but “Young is no longer that good” … or about his “Mediocore numbers” etc.. is a joke

    He’s a career .300 hitter, averages about 17 HR and 87 RBI

    If we didn’t have Polanco, we’d be in love with trading for Michael YOung

     
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      I agree, Don. Well put.

       
    • Posts: 79 Ted Bell

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      Don – I totally agree that Young has had a great career, but I don’t care about what he did in 2005 or what his career line is.

      My only concern is what his 2011-2013 will be (that’s where the “mediocre” enters the picture). The guy hit .260 with a .299 OBP and .380 slugging percentage on the road last season. You don’t think that’s a huge red flag? His “nice season” was purely a product of playing in one of the best hitter’s park in the game. His defense has deteriorated to the point where the team that watches him play on a daily basis has decided that he’s now a DH. You don’t think that’s a huge red flag?

      Except for runs scored, his year was very similar to Raul Ibanez, and I don’t think that’s worth giving up players or $48 million for.

      Once again, the only years that matter in this scenario are 2011-2013. I couldn’t care less about what the guy did four or five years ago. I’m pretty confident in my statement that Young will produce very mediocre numbers over the next three seasons.

      I’ve never said he was a mediocre player or had a bad career. I would have loved to have him in 2005. I’ll pass in 2011, though.

      I’m Ted Bell.

       
      • Posts: 140 Don M

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        The team watched him play everyday had TOP 5 young stars at 2b and SS …. Andrus, by many accounts could have won the Gold Glove last year .. . and while Kinsler doesn’t have the best glove in the world, they are comfortable with him there, and don’t feel he is as versitile as Young. .

        They had the chance to get the BEST DEFENSIVE 3b in baseball . . .a guy that, when he wants to focus, is among the best power hitters in baseball too ..

        Young, was going to be their super utlity player – not because he HAD to be.. but because they wanted to keep his bat in the lineup and they would get him innings at various spots in the field. I would take Young in a heartbeat. and even if he only produced in great OFFENSIVE ballparks .. we play 81 here, 9 in Washington, a couple in Cinncy, Houston, Colorado … that’s over 100 games of hitter friendly parks ..

        Just because a player is no longer on the upswing of his career doesn’t mean they aren’t good anymore..

        My whole point is that Young is much better than average.. and should be for the remainder of that contract, regardless of which uniform he wears

         
  • Posts: 55 Captain Chaos

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    As strange as it may sound I’m totally fine with going through (or at least to the deadline if it’s not working) with a platoon in right and left. From his splits Mayberry has been mashing left handed pitching, he’d have to prove it in the majors but still it’s encouraging. I think The Phillies will do fine with Mayberry/Ibanez in left & Francisco/Brown in right. That would give us a full year to know what we have with Brown (who would be getting most of the starts) and would give us enough evidence to know if either Mayberry or Francisco can be an everyday guy.

    Just like with the bullpen the Phillies need to find out what they have here so they know what holes to fill. The Phils have 60 million coming off the books but we have to assume not all of that is going to be spent. 16 Million would be taken up by Oswalt if the Phils and him agree on one more year. We still have Cole Hamels last year of arbitration although I expect at least a 4 year extension to be signed this season. We’d also have only 1 person in the bullpen signed. If Mayberry and Brown prove themselves the Phillies will have found a nice cheap way to provide some flexibility.

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    I like Michael Young… who wouldn’t? He’s a blue collar, under the radar type of talent. He’s making a case for the hall of fame and relegating himself to “super utility” would severely impact his chances… he’s a career .300 hitter, 6x all-star, gold glove winner and he’s 30th on the active hits list. He averages more hits per 162 than a lot of notable players (Biggio, Ripken) but he started his big league career late and has played on some bad Texas teams. I’m not saying he’s a hall of famer but if he played 6 more seasons at his current pace, he would have 3000 hits… very unlikely but possible if he can keep a starting job. If he has to play a utility role, it won’t happen.

    He’s not coming here… too many things would have to happen to make that work.

     
  • Posts: 206 The Dipsy

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    Too many things would have to happen. I don’t agree with that. He would waive his no trade to play in Philly. He would play in the OF. The Rangers will eat some his salary. Thats easy. Now the question is….what would the Phils give up? Well, its not a matter of IF the Phils have the pieces, because they do. They could give Texas what they want and not hurt their nucleus or drain the farm system. When you stop and think about it, this is a dream situation for the Phils. A righthanded bat with pedigree who is disgruntled and wants out. Texas will come to realize, if they haven’t already, that they will not get equal value AND be able to dump his salary. I would love Young in LF for the next three years at about 7m per.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    If they can get Young to waive his no trade and if they can get him to play the OF (no guarantees there) and if they can convince Texas to eat $10-15M of the remaining total of his salary and if Texas or a third party will agree to take Ibanez to create an opening for Ibanez and if Philly can supplement them with a prospect that will make it worthwhile for them to trade Young (because they don’t have to trade him… he’s under contract)… there are a lot of things that have to line up in order for this to happen.

     
  • Posts: 5366 Lefty

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    Just because Young wants out of Texas does not mean they have to grant his wish. Obviously, it is better not to have guys on your team that don’t want to be there, but I just don’t get why they would both grant his wish, and eat almost half his salary. I admit to being intrigued, but I don’t see it happening. It’s rumored Texas was going to pay 20m of his salary to trade him to the Rox, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

     
  • Posts: 206 The Dipsy

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    Texas will trade Young. They are not in the position to be picky. Young just doesn’t wanna DH. Period. They will eat salary. We have what they need/want. It can happen.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 5366 Lefty

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      Has he ever played outfield at any level? All I can find is one fill in game back in 98 with Hagerstown, and it appears no balls were hit his way. What makes you so sure he can play a corner any better than Raul? Again I admit I’m intrigued. I wouldn’t be unhappy at all if you were right. It just doesn’t make fiscal sense for them. They’d have to take Blanton’s salary and pay the same 20m they were allegedly going to give the Rockies in any deal before i’d do it though.

       
      • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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        He probably COULD learn to play LF….AT LEAST as good as pat Burrell di when he was here. The question is whether or not he wants to. I agree with Dipsy that it CAN happen. I just don’t think it WILL happen….

        ….because there are too many hurdles to cross like Ted Bell said earlier.

        But…I’m intrigued, too. Who wouldn’t be???

         
 
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